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 Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: yorkiepar  
Date:   Sat 17 Dec 13:08

You don’t put out statements like this unless you really are up the proverbial creek without a paddle:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64004009

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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: vasco  
Date:   Sat 17 Dec 13:17

I think they must be really regretting the Goodwillie saga now.
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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: dd23  
Date:   Sat 17 Dec 13:17

Spending a 6 figure sum on goodwillie who never played for them won’t have helped.
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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: General Zod  
Date:   Sat 17 Dec 13:17

I wonder how much Goodwillie cost them in the end? Did the sponsors ever return? What strange decision making at that club. Slippery slope time.

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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Sat 17 Dec 14:21

This season they`ve also lost our crowd money.

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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sat 17 Dec 14:40

There was also the mix-up over Nisbet`s contract which meant we got him for free.

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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sat 17 Dec 15:16

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vasco, Sat 17 Dec 13:17

I think they must be really regretting the Goodwillie saga now.


Aye, that was a financial disaster and footballing own goal. Lost their main sponsor into the bargain. Crazy. ☹



Not your average Sunday League player.
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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Sat 17 Dec 16:14

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wee eck, Sat 17 Dec 14:40

There was also the mix-up over Nisbet`s contract which meant we got him for free.


Not really a mix up Eck, they had a non-promotion release clause in his contract.

He joined at the start of the season, was absolutely flying and signed his extension in the January which had the clause, he wouldn`t have signed another contract if it didn`t have that clause.
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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sat 17 Dec 16:52

I thought the mix-up was that there was no mention of compensation to the Rovers. Didn`t the SFA have to rule on it?

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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: gegganpar  
Date:   Sat 17 Dec 17:00

Crowd was just under 1300 today, very poor! 🤣

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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: GG4  
Date:   Sat 17 Dec 17:07

Lol **** the rovers.

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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Sat 17 Dec 17:17

Pretty sure if they were in danger we would help bale them out, as many of their fans did for us. Long live the derby.

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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: LEGEND85  
Date:   Sat 17 Dec 17:22

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PARrot, Sat 17 Dec 17:17

Pretty sure if they were in danger we would help bale them out, as many of their fans did for us. Long live the derby.


Think your dreaming those rovers fans waving tenners at us when we were in the brown stuff.

They hate us and loved it when we were goosed
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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Sat 17 Dec 18:08

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wee eck, Sat 17 Dec 16:52

I thought the mix-up was that there was no mention of compensation to the Rovers. Didn`t the SFA have to rule on it?


Aye, that was the Rovers chancing there arm.

Due to Nisbet moving due to his release clause being met, rather than freedom of contract they weren`t entitled to hee haw.
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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: istvan kozma  
Date:   Sat 17 Dec 18:26

They`ve lost a lot of investors. Val McD put in a lot of her hard earned.

KOZMA


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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Sat 17 Dec 19:08

Aye, the Goodwillie deal must have really cost them. Tbh at the time I thought it was a good move for them, he was a good player and I expected him to play well in that division. I also thought his spell out the limelight would have let him make the move pretty much under the radar. I didn`t really expect the backlash they got, I think that all came from Val McDermid, and once the media got hold of it, it was like a pack of dogs with a bone
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Topic Originator: theparsman1885  
Date:   Sat 17 Dec 19:14

red-star-par wrote:

> Aye, the Goodwillie deal must have really cost them. Tbh at the
> time I thought it was a good move for them, he was a good
> player and I expected him to play well in that division. I also
> thought his spell out the limelight would have let him make the
> move pretty much under the radar. I didn`t really expect the
> backlash they got, I think that all came from Val McDermid, and
> once the media got hold of it, it was like a pack of dogs with
> a bone

I struggle to understand how anyone could NOT have seen the reaction re Goodwillie signing for a club up the leagues. Absolutely nonsensical decision and clearly has cost them dear.

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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: CrossPar  
Date:   Sat 17 Dec 19:29

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theparsman1885, Sat 17 Dec 19:14

I struggle to understand how anyone could NOT have seen the reaction re Goodwillie signing for a club up the leagues. Absolutely nonsensical decision and clearly has cost them dear.


So you are saying it was perfectly ok for Goodwillie to play away in division 1 virtually unnoticed, but to play in the championship was a massive no-no?
Perhaps you could expand on your logic there?
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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: Parsweep  
Date:   Sat 17 Dec 20:11

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PARrot, Sat 17 Dec 17:17

Pretty sure if they were in danger we would help bale them out, as many of their fans did for us. Long live the derby.


Yip , you`re right there PARrot .
Rovers supporting workmate of mine sent a tenner donation through with me every home game .

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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: gegganpar  
Date:   Sat 17 Dec 20:23

Wouldn`t want them to go bust, just let them know what it`s like to almost die.
Would absolutely miss the derby`s tho!!!

J angus blacklaws
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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Sat 17 Dec 21:21

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PARrot, Sat 17 Dec 17:17

Pretty sure if they were in danger we would help bale them out, as many of their fans did for us. Long live the derby.




The club also tried to profit from us nearly going bust.
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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: elvis_lives  
Date:   Sat 17 Dec 23:03

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CrossPar, Sat 17 Dec 19:29

Quote:

theparsman1885, Sat 17 Dec 19:14

I struggle to understand how anyone could NOT have seen the reaction re Goodwillie signing for a club up the leagues. Absolutely nonsensical decision and clearly has cost them dear.


So you are saying it was perfectly ok for Goodwillie to play away in division 1 virtually unnoticed, but to play in the championship was a massive no-no?
Perhaps you could expand on your logic there?


I can`t really see anything in that post that says it was okay for him to play in that league.

Please expand on your logic.

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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Sat 17 Dec 23:10

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Grant, Sat 17 Dec 21:21

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PARrot, Sat 17 Dec 17:17

Pretty sure if they were in danger we would help bale them out, as many of their fans did for us. Long live the derby.




The club also tried to profit from us nearly going bust.


Not fussed about the business folk running the club. They come and go. I wouldnt want to see any fans lose their team though.

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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Sat 17 Dec 23:12

Looking at the Goodwillie thing now I recon they knew they were going nowhere and losing money every year. They gambled on Goodwillie getting them to the money league.

Bad gamble.

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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: CrossPar  
Date:   Sat 17 Dec 23:48

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elvis_lives, Sat 17 Dec 23:03

Quote:

CrossPar, Sat 17 Dec 19:29

Quote:

theparsman1885, Sat 17 Dec 19:14

I struggle to understand how anyone could NOT have seen the reaction re Goodwillie signing for a club up the leagues. Absolutely nonsensical decision and clearly has cost them dear.


So you are saying it was perfectly ok for Goodwillie to play away in division 1 virtually unnoticed, but to play in the championship was a massive no-no?
Perhaps you could expand on your logic there?


I can`t really see anything in that post that says it was okay for him to play in that league.

Please expand on your logic.


The point I am making is that it should not matter a jot which division he is playing in. If he his judged not fit to play in one division, he should be judged not fit to play in any. It appears to me that the reaction in this case was sparked by Val McDiarmid not wanting him at Raith Rovers and the media Hullabaloo that followed. It was nothing to do with moving up the leagues. Does that answer your point?
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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: theparsman1885  
Date:   Sat 17 Dec 23:49

Topic Originator: elvis_lives like
Date: Sat 17 Dec 23:03

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CrossPar, Sat 17 Dec 19:29

Quote:

theparsman1885, Sat 17 Dec 19:14

I struggle to understand how anyone could NOT have seen the reaction re Goodwillie signing for a club up the leagues. Absolutely nonsensical decision and clearly has cost them dear.


So you are saying it was perfectly ok for Goodwillie to play away in division 1 virtually unnoticed, but to play in the championship was a massive no-no?
Perhaps you could expand on your logic there?


I can`t really see anything in that post that says it was okay for him to play in that league.

Please expand on your logic.




Correct Elvis. In no way at all was my post saying ok for him to play at any level.

As far as I’m concerned Clyde should never have signed or played him. Even at the level of the game they were at, he was getting pelters at every game.

For the Rovers to then overlook this and sign him for a level up, is just such a pigheaded ignorant course of action. They’ll be paying for that mistake for years.

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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sun 18 Dec 00:19

Do they know it`s Christmas in Kirkcaldy?
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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Sun 18 Dec 01:05

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PARrot, Sat 17 Dec 23:10

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Grant, Sat 17 Dec 21:21

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PARrot, Sat 17 Dec 17:17

Pretty sure if they were in danger we would help bale them out, as many of their fans did for us. Long live the derby.




The club also tried to profit from us nearly going bust.


Not fussed about the business folk running the club. They come and go. I wouldnt want to see any fans lose their team though.



Meh, some Rovers fans chucked some spare change in, many more sung about us going out of buisness and use it as a stick to beat us with years later.

I wouldn`t take delight in them going out of buisness like I would other clubs, but our close brush with extinction showed that if you need to survive it`ll come from the strength within the fanbase.
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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sun 18 Dec 08:48

Cross Par is right - it was Val McDiarmid’s stance that kick started the aversion to Goodwillie signing for RR.

Then it snowballed into a widespread negative reaction.
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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sun 18 Dec 10:42

I know some good Raith fans and some utter @rseholes who despise us and still rage at us because of how we cheated and got away with writing off so much debt whilst ignoring the fact that they have been running at a loss for years.

They also repeatedly have a dig about our foreign investment as well.

I don't want them to go out of business but I'd have a wee chuckle if they had to go through what we have

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 18 Dec 10:59

I think we`d all agree with this extract from the club statement :-

In a call to potential investors, the club says: "Unfortunately in Scottish football the most successful clubs get most and there is little attempt to increase competition by spreading funds more equitably.``

The irony is that being brutally honest like that is unlikely to persuade potential investors to get involved.

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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Sun 18 Dec 11:45

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da_no_1, Sun 18 Dec 10:42

I know some good Raith fans and some utter @rseholes who despise us and still rage at us because of how we cheated and got away with writing off so much debt whilst ignoring the fact that they have been running at a loss for years.

They also repeatedly have a dig about our foreign investment as well.

I don`t want them to go out of business but I`d have a wee chuckle if they had to go through what we have


🤝 Agreed!
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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: Steve mcgregor  
Date:   Sun 18 Dec 11:48

I think the question has to be, do they have the Fanbase to pull them out of the mire like other clubs have. I don’t think they do. The Rovers have been struggling for years financially and maybe this time it’s gone to far. Would hate to see them go as always enjoy the rivalry
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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: Ben,D.A  
Date:   Sun 18 Dec 13:36

I`ll gie them back the 1/-6 ah saved after climbing up the lamppost to get in at starks in the late 60`s.
Then again, a rovers fans picked me up when I stumbled and fell at the gates at EEP after a game in the same era.
Fans always suffer after boards screw up, lets hope they see this through.

only 11 make the team,the rest can just but dream.
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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: cammypar 1995  
Date:   Sun 18 Dec 15:20

Like it or not we need them the same as we need Falkirk we as a club look at these games and the income they bring. Unfortunately the likes of alloa at home dont bring the same income.

c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: DBA  
Date:   Sun 18 Dec 15:36

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cammypar 1995, Sun 18 Dec 15:20

Like it or not we need them the same as we need Falkirk we as a club look at these games and the income they bring. Unfortunately the likes of alloa at home dont bring the same income.


Nonsense. We don`t need either. An extra couple of thousand fans twice a season is hardly megabucks.

The fans enjoy the derbies and of course want them to stick around, but need them? Nah.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sun 18 Dec 15:41

We don`t need anyone.

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: EastEndTales  
Date:   Sun 18 Dec 17:03

Maybe no but without other teams and rivals, there`s no football. Best to remember that and stay a bit humble.

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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: cammypar 1995  
Date:   Sun 18 Dec 17:15

Some of our best days we still look back on are beating rivals. Sure we don`t remember much games against teams like annan.

c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sun 18 Dec 17:46

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EastEndTales, Sun 18 Dec 17:03

Maybe no but without other teams and rivals, there`s no football. Best to remember that and stay a bit humble.


It`s nothing to do with being humble. The poster said we need the Rovers. We don`t.

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 18 Dec 18:19

When we were in the Premier League we seemed to manage fine without them.

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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Sun 18 Dec 18:51

Depends what you mean by need.
We dont need them to survive but I think games against them are kinda special. I think they would be a huge loss.

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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 18 Dec 18:56

Times change; the Rovers go, Kelty take their place!

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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: 1970par  
Date:   Sun 18 Dec 18:58

Going back and thinking about our time of trouble, I would not wish that on anyone. The thought that you may be watching the team you have supported your whole life for the last time was horrible

No matter whether its The Wee Team, Falkirk or whoever it’s the genuine fans you feel for



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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: Stanza  
Date:   Sun 18 Dec 21:01

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1970par, Sun 18 Dec 18:58

Going back and thinking about our time of trouble, I would not wish that on anyone. The thought that you may be watching the team you have supported your whole life was horrible

No matter whether its The Wee Team, Falkirk or whoever it’s the genuine fans you feel for


This, a hundred times over.

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sun 18 Dec 21:33

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1970par, Sun 18 Dec 18:58

Going back and thinking about our time of trouble, I would not wish that on anyone. The thought that you may be watching the team you have supported your whole life was horrible

No matter whether its The Wee Team, Falkirk or whoever it’s the genuine fans you feel for


Almost agree. I didn`t give two hoots when Rangers went bust. Horrible club, horrible fans.
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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: 1970par  
Date:   Sun 18 Dec 22:17

Yes well there are of course exceptions

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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Mon 19 Dec 00:06

It`s also the history of the club my great grandfather played for at the beginning of the 20th Century and I`ve got the 9ct gold medal he won playing for them in 1901. And I remember my Granny telling me how she went with him to the training when she was a kid and waited for him till it was finished. Our Scottish clubs have a long history which are now diminishing in wealth and prestige but which in the context of the Scottish game still resonate with their local communities. I for one would be very sad to lose Raith Rovers.

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Topic Originator: vasco  
Date:   Mon 19 Dec 00:26

Rangers died and the Pars survived. As did Dundee, Hearts and Motherwell. As did others that went into Administration. I’m glad they are all still playing for the sake of the genuine fans but sad about everything crooked that was done to appease the hordes of mindless bigots and glory hunters.
I hope the Rovers survive.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Mon 19 Dec 21:13

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vasco, Mon 19 Dec 00:26

Rangers died and the Pars survived. As did Dundee, Hearts and Motherwell. As did others that went into Administration. I’m glad they are all still playing for the sake of the genuine fans but sad about everything crooked that was done to appease the hordes of mindless bigots and glory hunters.
I hope the Rovers survive.


Dundee twice.
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Mon 19 Dec 21:32

Livingston twice in admin as well

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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: Ben,D.A  
Date:   Mon 19 Dec 22:02

Topic Originator: wee eck like
Date: Sun 18 Dec 18:56

Times change; the Rovers go, Kelty take their place!

Cowdenbeaths downfall benefited Kelty, if the Rovers go that leaves 3 Fife teams.
I would rather have more local rivalries than less.

only 11 make the team,the rest can just but dream.
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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Mon 19 Dec 22:06

I don`t want them to go out of business. I don`t think anyone who posted does, but I don`t think we are as inter-dependent on each other as some are suggesting.

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Mon 19 Dec 22:15

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wee eck, Mon 19 Dec 22:06

I don`t want them to go out of business. I don`t think anyone who posted does, but I don`t think we are as inter-dependent on each other as some are suggesting.


That`s the point I was trying to get over Eck. Cheers

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: SusieQ  
Date:   Mon 19 Dec 22:16

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wee eck, Mon 19 Dec 22:06

I don`t want them to go out of business. I don`t think anyone who posted does, but I don`t think we are as inter-dependent on each other as some are suggesting.


I think the Rovers need us more than we need them in terms of crowds - they`re in a higher league for now but their crowds are dwindling - even last year when near the top they barely hit a few thousand (regularly).

We get bigger crowds, even in the "seaside" league. Wee Team by name .......

Football is waaay too sanitised these days tho, so there is definitely still a place for rivalry imo.

Wouldn`t want them or Falkirk to go out of business for that reason, but absolutely do not want either to be successful lol!


COME ON YE PARS!
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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: Par-timer  
Date:   Mon 19 Dec 22:35

Sad to see community-minded clubs like Rovers and Falkirk struggling to make ends meet. Both try to maximise income by hiring out their pitches and pushing the commercial side as far as they dare without alienating fans, and with the domestic transfer market collapsing, there is little chance of a windfall to balance the books if you make a poor decision (eg signing Goodwillie or allowing yet another manager to sign up yet another squad). Perhaps out of solidarity (and enlightened self-interest) the Pars could send a team to play the Rovers on a free Saturday to attract a decent crowd and help to tide them over.

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Topic Originator: Par  
Date:   Mon 19 Dec 23:10

Was in Kirkcaldy the other day and seen 4 people with either a Pars Jacket or hat on and not one Rovers. It used to be the case the Fife Flyers got more of a crowd than Rovers.

They have been punching above their weight for a while now, maybe it is their time to sink down the leagues and live within their means in a bid to survive. I`m sure their crowds would remain pretty much the same.

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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Tue 20 Dec 06:46

We need to bear in mind that football clubs are not like supermarkets - they thrive on competition, therefore their rivals need to be valued and helped if necessary. This is an area where Celtic and Rangers have been particularly short sighted in, during the last 50 years or so. Forcing through smaller leagues and keeping home gate money, by threatening to leave Scottish football and picking up the best players from other clubs on the cheap. All this has made the playing field even more uneven.

The poster who suggested Kelty have benefited from Cowdenbeath`s demotion to non-league football, couldn`t be more wrong, imo. Those fans who no longer go to watch the Blue Brazil are not turning up to watch Kelty. Football doesn`t work like that. If a club dies, it`s fans will be lost to the game.



Not your average Sunday League player.
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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Tue 20 Dec 08:32

Cowden haven`t died, GGR. You could argue that they`ve just found their level and they`re still there for their fans to support.

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Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Tue 20 Dec 14:27

And my childhood pal from Broad Street school Cowdenbeath who has lived in sunny Queensland, Australia for many years is still passionate in his support of Cowdenbeath FC, albeit from a distance. I could never manage that level of enthusiasm for my home town team. Afterall in those days they were playing the likes of Brechin, Montrose and Queen of the South, when the Pars were playing Rangers, Celtic, Aberdeen and Hearts. I guess the pathos is not hard to see.

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Topic Originator: Par  
Date:   Tue 20 Dec 14:44

It is a shame that more people don`t support their local club but go and watch bigger club`s. Probably what is wrong with Scottish football.

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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Tue 20 Dec 15:38

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wee eck, Tue 20 Dec 08:32

Cowden haven`t died, GGR. You could argue that they`ve just found their level and they`re still there for their fans to support.


No and I don`t think I suggested they did, but any who have stopped going are unlikely to switch to Kelty, the Pars or any other club. In the same way, many Pars fans would have been forever lost to the game if the club had folded in 2013.

AFAIK, only one Scottish club died, a new club was formed and the fans of the old club pretended nothing had happened and switched seamlessly to the new club. 🤔



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Topic Originator: Stanza  
Date:   Tue 20 Dec 17:36

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GG Riva, Tue 20 Dec 15:38

AFAIK, only one Scottish club died, a new club was formed and the fans of the old club pretended nothing had happened and switched seamlessly to the new club. 🤔


Not often Gretna get a mention on dafc.net ... :)

To be fair, Gretna 2008 FC doesn`t yet officially claim to be the same club as Gretna FC, but give it time. After all, the clubs playing today as Airdrieonians and Clydebank have no legal connection to the clubs of the same names from years gone by. It`s very hard to completely kill off the identity of a football club.

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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Tue 20 Dec 18:21

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Par, Tue 20 Dec 14:44

It is a shame that more people don`t support their local club but go and watch bigger club`s. Probably what is wrong with Scottish football.


What is even more of a shame is that people don`t support their local club but support a bigger club and rarely if ever go to watch them either. Usually based on religious factors.
Definitely what is wrong with Scottish football.
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Topic Originator: par-ticular  
Date:   Tue 20 Dec 21:10

As boy I followed Third Lanark, many of the younger members will ask who ? They were mismanaged to closure only a few years after scoring 100 goals in a season.
Not so long ago my “new team “ the Pars were in trouble, we pulled through.
So yes, I feel sorry for all the supporters of teams struggling to survive.
How many of you would move on and support another team?
Just an old fitba daft man’s thoughts.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68  
Date:   Tue 20 Dec 23:07

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par-ticular, Tue 20 Dec 21:10

As boy I followed Third Lanark, many of the younger members will ask who ? They were mismanaged to closure only a few years after scoring 100 goals in a season.
Not so long ago my “new team “ the Pars were in trouble, we pulled through.
So yes, I feel sorry for all the supporters of teams struggling to survive.
How many of you would move on and support another team?
Just an old fitba daft man’s thoughts.


Anyone who walks on the pitch or terracing of the old Hi HI’s stadium would know and feel that sense of loss. Even if they are before our time.
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Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Wed 21 Dec 00:47

Third Lanark averaged 17,000 fans when they had that great season in 1960-61. Even in the years before their dramatic extinction in 1967 they were averaging around 10,000, similar to the Pars at the time.

Bob Crampsey said these Third Lanark supporters were lost to the professional game for ever which is probably true. What we don`t know is whether their grandchildren have adopted another club in Glasgow such as one of the Old Firm.

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Topic Originator: EastEndTales  
Date:   Wed 21 Dec 06:05

I know I wouldn`t have been able to just pick another team up if we`d gone under. Just doesn`t work like that for me, I have years of memories linked to my dad and with great friends as well as the games itself. It becomes a part of you.
I`d have gone to a random game here and there but most likely would just shift my focus more onto the national team.

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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Wed 21 Dec 06:18

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sadindiefreak, Tue 20 Dec 18:21

What is even more of a shame is that people don`t support their local club but support a bigger club and rarely if ever go to watch them either. Usually based on religious factors.
Definitely what is wrong with Scottish football.


I`m not sure you can say people choose a club based on religious grounds, SIF. There`s not a lot of religion practised nowadays - churches have been largely empty for years and the pandemic has accelerated their depopulation.

New fans almost inevitably choose to follow a team supported by relatives or friends. This may well have been religiously motivated at some time in the past, but not so much now. I`m in local primary schools almost every week, coordinating the Pars Tackle Health visits and I usually ask if there are any Pars fans, as an icebreaker. Numbers vary greatly from school to school. I then follow up by asking if there are any Celtic or Rangers fans and then rip them as glory hunters, of course. 😃 You might expect that there will be lots of Celtic fans in RC schools and plenty of Rangers fans in non denominational ones, but it`s not always the case. If you ask the kids why they support a Glasgow club instead of their local team they often say their dad, brother, uncle supports them. Quite often families have moved to Fife from the West of Scotland.

Religion does play a part now, but a less significant one. There are kids in RC schools who say they support Rangers and Celtic fans in non denominational ones. That may have something to do with freedom of choice regarding schools. A surprising number of families choose to send their kids to the "wrong" school, based on their religious background. No bad thing in my opinion.



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Topic Originator: Lambo1885  
Date:   Wed 21 Dec 07:32

"Anyone who walks on the pitch or terracing of the old Hi HI’s stadium would know and feel that sense of loss. Even if they are before our time. "

There`s a cracking book `The Ghosts of Cathkin Park` which goes through the sad demise of Thirds.

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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Wed 21 Dec 09:09

The details of Third Lanark’s declining days are sad.

Players were paid after games in money taken at the gates.

They could not provide a new match ball for home games as per league rules, so the best of what was available would be painted white.
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Topic Originator: RhinoPars  
Date:   Wed 21 Dec 12:27

My dad was a Hi Hi fan as was his father (who I think owned one share). When I was young I went with them once to see Thirds thump Alloa at Cathkin I think 7-1. I believe they were run into the ground by a greedy local businessman Bill Hiddleston who had become the major shareholder. He wanted to sell the ground to developers for housing and he spent as little money on the club as possible and used some of it for himself. At least Glasgow City Council refused permission for housing but Hiddleston effectively killed off the club. https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/history/third-lanark-greed-corruption-11964110. Very sad to lose the Hi Hi`s but fortunately we managed to rescue the Pars from a similar fate.



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Topic Originator: EastEndTales  
Date:   Wed 21 Dec 12:30

When you`re standing at Cathkin it`s almost impossible to imagine it being filled with so many people at once. Surreal.

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Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Wed 21 Dec 12:38

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sammer, Wed 21 Dec 00:47

Third Lanark averaged 17,000 fans when they had that great season in 1960-61. Even in the years before their dramatic extinction in 1967 they were averaging around 10,000, similar to the Pars at the time.

Bob Crampsey said these Third Lanark supporters were lost to the professional game for ever which is probably true. What we don`t know is whether their grandchildren have adopted another club in Glasgow such as one of the Old Firm.


I did a bit of reading on Third Lanark yesterday and in 1960/61 they had over 550k fans at their matches but in 66/67 it was about 10% of that(their final match was attended by 325 spectators)Although some fans were lost to the Old Firm Clyde , Queens Park and Pollok juniors all received new fans.

Much like our nickname thread I started reading to find out why they were called the Hi Hi`s.Wikipedia said this is rumoured to have originated in the 1890`s because a defender kicked the ball so far out of the ground that the crowd started singing `high, high, high!
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Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Wed 21 Dec 12:45

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RhinoPars, Wed 21 Dec 12:27

My dad was a Hi Hi fan as was his father (who I think owned one share). When I was young I went with them once to see Thirds thump Alloa at Cathkin I think 7-1. I believe they were run into the ground by a greedy local businessman Bill Hiddleston who had become the major shareholder. He wanted to sell the ground to developers for housing and he spent as little money on the club as possible and used some of it for himself. At least Glasgow City Council refused permission for housing but Hiddleston effectively killed off the club. https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/history/third-lanark-greed-corruption-11964110. Very sad to lose the Hi Hi`s but fortunately we managed to rescue the Pars from a similar fate.



I also read into this and there are conflicting stories about Hiddleston as he had built a new grandstand at the club in 1963-not the actions of someone looking to profit.

They were however found guilty of defrauding the club lottery(rarely paying out winnings) and 4 directors were found guilty of not keeping proper books of account.Hiddleston died in 1967 so I guess it`s impossible to determine his motives.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Wed 21 Dec 12:52

Remember being at a Pars match at Cathkin when I was a wee laddie, cannot remember much about the game, a Scottish Cup tie?
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Wed 21 Dec 18:06

Maybe the Scottish Cup tie of 64/65 which went to a second replay - causing a fixture congestion ?

My best pal`s Dad was adamant that this contributed to the team`s failure in the league and cup that season.

Jim Herriot got sent off in the first game at Cathkin with the Pars ahead - a crazy go at Max Murray after the ball had cleared the penalty area.

Needless to say the dismissal and penalty changed the game.

It also scuppered Herriot`s place, along with Willie Callaghan and John Lunn for a Scottish League side which had already been selected due to the replay taking precedence.

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Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Wed 21 Dec 21:53

That Jim Herriot uppercut on Max Murray`s jaw possibly cost Pars the League in 1965. Herriot was suspended for only one game, and we won the replay, but when Eric Martin came in to replace him we had a disappointing 3-3 draw with Dundee at EEP. Herriot then went AWOL in the 1965 Cup Final. A good keeper with a suspect temperament.

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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Wed 21 Dec 22:14

If memory serves, Dundee’s left back Bobby Cox, was sent off early in the second half for persistently clattering Alex Edwards who was giving him the runaround.
He refused to pay the £50 SFA fine - not sure why, or how that panned out.
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Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Thu 22 Dec 01:33

I think they were both sent off late in the game, Edwards for retaliation. We were 3-2 down as I recall at the time but Alex Smit came up with a late saving header at the Town End.

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Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Thu 22 Dec 17:41

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veteraneastender, Wed 21 Dec 22:14

If memory serves, Dundee’s left back Bobby Cox, was sent off early in the second half for persistently clattering Alex Edwards who was giving him the runaround.
He refused to pay the £50 SFA fine - not sure why, or how that panned out.


Aye, No` like Bobby Cox to take a Stand
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Topic Originator: Ben,D.A  
Date:   Thu 22 Dec 18:36

Was Bobby Cox not responsible for breaking Bert Paton or Jim Frasers leg back then?

only 11 make the team,the rest can just but dream.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Thu 22 Dec 18:58

Any news about the Rovers?

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Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Thu 22 Dec 19:47

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da_no_1, Thu 22 Dec 18:58

Any news about the Rovers?


A German consortium are one of the parties interested. I have it on good advice that they are closely linked to our owners, and once they take over at the Rovers then the inevitable merger will take place. Starks Park will be sold for Starks Flats, raising some important capital for the new team representing the whole Kingdom of Fife.
They will be called Dunfermline (Fife) Athletic Football Club, and play out of the KDM East End Park, in Black and White stripes. Should be well supported by our Kirkcaldy chums
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Topic Originator: back oh the net  
Date:   Thu 22 Dec 22:13

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da_no_1, Thu 22 Dec 18:58

Any news about the Rovers?


Aye ma gaffer who’s a rovers fan told me last night that the owner John sim has been threatening to pull out and that the rent for December was a baw hair away from not being paid so in other words they are a baw hair away from being potless and homeless

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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle  
Date:   Fri 23 Dec 11:28

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da_no_1, Thu 22 Dec 18:58

Any news about the Rovers?


A German consortium are one of the parties interested. I have it on good advice that they are closely linked to our owners, and once they take over at the Rovers then the inevitable merger will take place. Starks Park will be sold for Starks Flats, raising some important capital for the new team representing the whole Kingdom of Fife.
They will be called Dunfermline (Fife) Athletic Football Club, and play out of the KDM East End Park, in Black and White stripes. Should be well supported by our Kirkcaldy chums


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Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Fri 23 Dec 13:51

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back oh the net, Thu 22 Dec 22:13

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da_no_1, Thu 22 Dec 18:58

Any news about the Rovers?


Aye ma gaffer who’s a rovers fan told me last night that the owner John sim has been threatening to pull out and that the rent for December was a baw hair away from not being paid so in other words they are a baw hair away from being potless and homeless


John Sim owns the stadium does he not?
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Topic Originator: back oh the net  
Date:   Fri 23 Dec 14:35

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Grant, Fri 23 Dec 13:51

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back oh the net, Thu 22 Dec 22:13

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da_no_1, Thu 22 Dec 18:58

Any news about the Rovers?


Aye ma gaffer who’s a rovers fan told me last night that the owner John sim has been threatening to pull out and that the rent for December was a baw hair away from not being paid so in other words they are a baw hair away from being potless and homeless


John Sim owns the stadium does he not?


Would certainly explain why he’s been threatening to pull out then and by all accounts the wage bill is sky high as well

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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Fri 23 Dec 17:00

"Was Bobby Cox not responsible for breaking Bert Paton or Jim Frasers leg back then?"

Not guilty.

Bertie`s first such injury was against Dundee United at EEP, then he suffered the same at Hibs nearly a year later.

Jim Fraser did not have his leg broken by Bertie Auld - for years I was under that misapprehension as well.

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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Sat 31 Dec 10:26

In talks with Hong Kong financial consortium. They want to invest in a team with potential.

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sat 31 Dec 11:50

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PARrot, Sat 31 Dec 10:26

In talks with Hong Kong financial consortium. They want to invest in a team with potential.


So not the wee team then?
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Topic Originator: kelty_par  
Date:   Sat 31 Dec 16:21

Seems to be well dodgy going by reports elsewhere. A dodgy agent who has managed to get his son a trial and possibly pushing for them to sign him, a guy who was involved with Broomhill, a sketchy academy set up (highlights of their website include giving out "platimum" awards for anyone who manages 46 keepy uppies) and odd financial arrangements. I worry for our wee team chums, I really do.

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sat 31 Dec 17:36

It`s not like they have a history of bringing in shady characters. I`m sure they`ve thoroughly vetted these guys.
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Date:   Wed 4 Jan 22:24

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Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Wed 4 Jan 22:31

Their game against Dundee is on BBC Scotland channel on Friday night. Wouldn`t put it past them to beat Dundee since the lost 4-2 to bargain basement Arbroath the other day. Must tune in to give them my support. My late dad would approve.

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Thu 5 Jan 18:10

It sounds like the HK guys have given them an ultimatum - sell to us or we`ll buy another Scottish club.
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Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Fri 6 Jan 22:27

Good point for Raith tonight. I don`t see any reason to doubt that our current squad would compete well with both Raith and Dundee. Queens Park are a point clear at the top with a game in hand. They seem to be holding out quite well and for a team that didn`t even gain automatic promotion from division 1, I wouldn`t bet against them getting automatic promotion to the Premier.

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Fri 6 Jan 23:02

Would Queens Park be allowed into the Premiership whilst playing at Lesser Hampden or Ochilview? Both have very few seats.
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Topic Originator: Pars11  
Date:   Fri 6 Jan 23:14

Think the minimum requirement for Scottish Premier League grounds is 6600 covered seats, it is certainly about that number. Clubs would be allowed to play cup games at any ground meeting minimum league membership requirements. Arbroath would have fallen foul of the membership rule if they had been promoted last season, probably took a dive rather than invest, bit like Raith Rovers did one season when leading the Championship at New Year.

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Fri 6 Jan 23:19

Presumably the solution would be a groundshare but not sure how that would work given it would likely need to be at a Premiership or Championship club and likely one with a plastic pitch.

They don`t seem to have plans to upgrade beyond a planned increase to around 1000 seats. They`re quite an odd club as their income is very low but they seem to be getting money from somewhere. I know they got £5m from selling Hampden but that`s not going to last long. Is it the sugar-daddy Lord Haughy who`s keeping them afloat? Something doesn`t seem right with him. He had grand plans to build thousands of affordable homes for people on low rents. He then threw his toys out the pram when the rent freeze act was passed last year. If the properties were going to be low rent then it shouldn`t have been an issue for him...
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Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Fri 6 Jan 23:58

Forgive me for saying so but I played at Lesser Hampden a few times. I believe the playing surface is the same size as Hampden. It was the only ground I played at with a communal bath rather than showers. It was best to get in quick before the water was all muddy. It seems to be in my mind that while they are playing at Stenhousemuir that Lesser Hampden is being renovated to accommodate more spectators but maybe some of you know more about that than I do. I must make an effort to find out.

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Date:   Fri 6 Jan 23:59

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sat 7 Jan 08:52

You`re right, Paralex. They`re at Stenhousemuir whilst Lesser Hampden is upgraded but the "upgrade" only takes the stadium up to 1000-1500 seats.
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Topic Originator: yorkiepar  
Date:   Sat 7 Jan 08:58

Since Leeann Dempster was appointed Chief Executive two years ago they`ve fairly come on in leaps and bounds.

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Topic Originator: evo!  
Date:   Sat 7 Jan 09:32

Amazed how well QP are doing. Them and Edinburgh both finished 4th and now fighting for leagues the next season a division above.

Im guesssing Ross County have the minimum size stadium likely needed at6.5k

I dont like the rule though, just play at Lesser, fans love the odd novelty of a wee ground from time to time or something a bit different (barring Meadowbank stadium in present form of course)

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Topic Originator: parsmad68  
Date:   Sat 7 Jan 09:55

I always wonder why QP if they were promoted and playing bigs teams above a certain attendance wouldn’t use Hampden?
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Date:   Sat 7 Jan 09:59

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I always wonder why QP if they were promoted and playing bigs teams above a certain attendance wouldn’t use Hampden?


Because they sold it to the SFA.
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I always wonder why QP if they were promoted and playing bigs teams above a certain attendance wouldn’t use Hampden?


Because they sold it to the SFA.


I know they sold it but is there any issues with them hiring Hampden or other grounds for that matter. Understand it is not tidy but I am interested if anyone knows if QP did go up whether they have a “workaround” solution
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Topic Originator: thepars1968  
Date:   Sat 7 Jan 10:31

As far as I’m aware there are no minimum capacity requirements and haven’t been for some time.

Clubs need to have a Bronze level stadium to play in top 2 leagues. The only capacity rules are covered space for 500.
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie  
Date:   Sat 7 Jan 10:34

I wrongly assumed that QP had jumped from amateur status to senior but were still only part time when infact they went the full way.

Guessing they will have plenty money behind them too after the Hampden sale.

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Topic Originator: AJ27  
Date:   Sat 7 Jan 10:40

They have a number of wealthy backers - hence why Leann Dempster was brought on board.

I see no reason why they don’t rent Hampden - they’ve already played 2 of their home games there this season.

My concern with them is the amount of time they have are taking to redevelop Lesser Hampden - Paralex is right about the playing surface though - at one time they claimed it was the biggest in Scotland.

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sat 7 Jan 19:56

Presumably Hampden is quite expensive to rent out when you`d be lucky to have more than 3k at a game.
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Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Sat 7 Jan 20:28

Maybe they have a leaseback agreement in the sale or maybe they`ll groundshare with Partick Thistle. Or could a temporary stand be assembled at Lesser Hampden similar to the one Glasgow Warriors have at Scotstoun stadium?

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Topic Originator: parsmad68  
Date:   Sat 7 Jan 22:12

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Presumably Hampden is quite expensive to rent out when you`d be lucky to have more than 3k at a game.


Not if They lease out for the Rangers and Celtic games and return to lesser for all other games.
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sun 8 Jan 09:45

Are you allowed to be nomads like that though? I`d have thought you`d need to have an agreed base stadium. Stenhousemuir is hardly local so I`d assume that the likes of Hamilton and Partick said no, or were too expensive.
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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Sun 8 Jan 09:52

There is a large stadium in Cumbernauld. They could play there until Lesser Hampden is finished.

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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sun 8 Jan 10:58

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eastendalloapar, Sun 8 Jan 09:52

There is a large stadium in Cumbernauld. They could play there until Lesser Hampden is finished.


What`s it called?
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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: allparone  
Date:   Sun 8 Jan 11:03

Quote:

eastendalloapar, Sun 8 Jan 09:52

There is a large stadium in Cumbernauld. They could play there until Lesser Hampden is finished.


As said above though. Why are they not using it now?
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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Sun 8 Jan 11:52

Clyde had a falling out with the council.

Open Goals FC in the lowland league are using it currently.
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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: allparone  
Date:   Sun 8 Jan 12:02

If they’ve got a multi season lease then QP wont be able to play there as Cumbernauld Colts use it also.
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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: Stanza  
Date:   Wed 11 Jan 13:18

More on the Raith deal. The parties involved are now throwing mud at each other.

https://www.fifetoday.co.uk/sport/football/raith-rovers-deal-with-silverbear-capital-inc-is-officially-dead-in-the-water-3982382

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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: yorkiepar  
Date:   Wed 11 Jan 14:05

Can`t say I blame Raith. I don`t think I`d touch this Dellios character with a barge pole. Reminds me a bit of the time, probably in the early 70s, when an "entrepreneur" wanted to take over DAFC and have greyhound racing as well as football at EEP. I think his name was Jim Murphy. Anyone else remember?



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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Wed 11 Jan 14:46

So they told the players to continue a 50-60 mile commute rather than sign for a league 1 team or a team in England? Surely the players could move or commute elsewhere in Scotland...unless it was Peterhead.
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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: wetherby  
Date:   Wed 11 Jan 20:46

Only named three on the bench tonight .

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 Re: Raith Rovers struggling.
Topic Originator: Jeffery  
Date:   Wed 11 Jan 22:02

Sim is right to ask for proof of funds. All sounds incredibly dodgy. It`s like a Nigerian prince scam.

`I have a wealthy business man lined up to pump money into your tiny unprofitable football club. All you have to do is sign my son...` (and probably pay him as an intermediary).
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