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 Dundee Pitch Inspection - Game off Tuesday 17th
Topic Originator: RMGpar  
Date:   Mon 16 Jan 15:08

Looking at their pitch and the conditions the now unlikely to go ahead...

How many times can they rearrange the fixture? or is there no limit?

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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection Tomorrow 1.30pm
Topic Originator: EastEndTales  
Date:   Mon 16 Jan 15:17

Could we switch it to EEP? If we can come to an arrangement?

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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection Tomorrow 1.30pm
Topic Originator: Stanza  
Date:   Mon 16 Jan 15:23

Sub-zero temperatures tonight, creeping up to 1-2 C tomorrow morning then falling to zero before kick-off.

Hard to see the match taking place tomorrow evening if the pitch is unplayable today.

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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection Tomorrow 1.30pm
Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe  
Date:   Mon 16 Jan 16:04

Can`t see this going ahead at all even if they switched to EEP. Temperature's not lifted all day and not much better tomorrow either.

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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection Tomorrow 1.30pm
Topic Originator: Football_Par  
Date:   Mon 16 Jan 16:16

surely they have undersoil heating ?

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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection Tomorrow 1.30pm
Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe  
Date:   Mon 16 Jan 16:44

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Football_Par, Mon 16 Jan 16:16

surely they have undersoil heating ?


Hardly going to switch that on with a crowd of hundreds I`d imagine.

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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection Tomorrow 1.30pm
Topic Originator: RMGpar  
Date:   Mon 16 Jan 16:54

The problem with the Dundee pitch is a broken drain but they can not fix it unless the dig up the pitch..

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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection Tomorrow 1.30pm
Topic Originator: AB Loyal  
Date:   Mon 16 Jan 18:07

going by the state of their pitch, I think they`ll struggle to get a game on anytime soon. could see it getting switched to kdm eep for next week.

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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection Tomorrow 1.30pm
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Mon 16 Jan 19:17

Looking at the Met Office and there is no danger the game will go ahead

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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection Tomorrow 1.30pm
Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Mon 16 Jan 19:23

Could they not switch the game to a neutral venue.

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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection Tomorrow 1.30pm
Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Mon 16 Jan 19:38

If they switched the venue that would be unfair towards Dundee as they would lose the advantage of being drawn at home
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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection Tomorrow 1.30pm
Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Mon 16 Jan 20:00

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dafc-chris1, Mon 16 Jan 19:38

If they switched the venue that would be unfair towards Dundee as they would lose the advantage of being drawn at home


That would be fair enough. Plenty teams have been penalised in the past for failing to provide adequate facilities. They were recently a Premier league side. They should have made an effort to bring their facilities up to the required level.

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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection Tomorrow 1.30pm
Topic Originator: neilholland999  
Date:   Mon 16 Jan 20:38

Is Tannadice not an option which would still give them "home" advantage?
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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection Tomorrow 1.30pm
Topic Originator: arpar  
Date:   Mon 16 Jan 21:17

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neilholland999, Mon 16 Jan 20:38

Is Tannadice not an option which would still give them "home" advantage?


Why would Dundee Utd want their pitch cut up for a couple of quid rent money?

Starks Park would be a better option with the plastic pitch.

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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection Tomorrow 1.30pm
Topic Originator: pars4life1  
Date:   Mon 16 Jan 21:38

Don’t really know why there’s speculation over the ground the game will be played at, it will be dens, when isn’t clear but it will be there.

I am struggling to remember any game that’s been moved due to the pitch. We used to get clubs play up on ‘unsafe’ home grounds to be able to cash in on drawing a big club and very very occasionally we get league games moved, 2 games abandoned at Palmerston vs Ross County meant the game was finally played in Stirling but that was more over the distance travelled and that the games did start and a one or two Gretna games when they were playing out of Motherwell and the authorities were just desperately trying to make sure their games were played for the season before the plug was pulled.



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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection Tomorrow 1.30pm
Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Mon 16 Jan 22:00

"I am struggling to remember any game that’s been moved due to the pitch."


Tragically, Dunfermline v Hafnarfjordor was moved to Perth because our pitch was unacceptable.

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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection Tomorrow 1.30pm
Topic Originator: EastEndTales  
Date:   Mon 16 Jan 22:04

FFS

Ep. 6 of East End Tales is out now with AUSTIN McCANN! Reminisce with us about the big Fife derby in 2011, otherwise known as BMMMH day!

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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection Tomorrow 1.30pm
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Tue 17 Jan 00:57

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OzPar, Mon 16 Jan 22:00

"I am struggling to remember any game that’s been moved due to the pitch."


Tragically, Dunfermline v Hafnarfjordor was moved to Perth because our pitch was unacceptable.



That had slipped my mind but you`re bang on the money.
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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection Tomorrow 1.30pm
Topic Originator: Par  
Date:   Tue 17 Jan 02:09

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OzPar, Mon 16 Jan 22:00

"I am struggling to remember any game that’s been moved due to the pitch."


Tragically, Dunfermline v Hafnarfjordor was moved to Perth because our pitch was unacceptable.


I still shudder everytime that game is mentioned still painful.
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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection Tomorrow 1.30pm
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Tue 17 Jan 07:33

This thread has been corrupted. Can admin delete please........

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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection Tomorrow 1.30pm
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Tue 17 Jan 08:26

As I said on another thread, I reckon there`s more chance of me being on the subs bench than this game going ahead, but I`d be happy to be proved wrong.



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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection Tomorrow 1.30pm
Topic Originator: I-Know-The-Script  
Date:   Tue 17 Jan 09:37

I think the game will go ahead. I don`t think there has been any/much rain since Saturday and the overnight temperatures were only around -2. Also I believe they have the undersoil heating switched on.

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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection Tomorrow 1.30pm
Topic Originator: Lambo1885  
Date:   Tue 17 Jan 10:09

""I am struggling to remember any game that’s been moved due to the pitch."


Tragically, Dunfermline v Hafnarfjordor was moved to Perth because our pitch was unacceptable."

Did you really have to remind us of that evening?

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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection Tomorrow 1.30pm
Topic Originator: Adundeemonkey  
Date:   Tue 17 Jan 10:57

I was thinking the game may go ahead. But Dundee requesting a pitch inspection at 1.30pm tells me they know the pitch isn`t playable. Thats 6hrs ahead of kick off, I`d not be confident of being able to say it can go ahead not knowing what can happen in those 6hrs weather wise. But I`d be able to say that it`s not going ahead.

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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection Tomorrow 1.30pm
Topic Originator: jock-par  
Date:   Tue 17 Jan 11:23

Seemingly Dundee team doing full training session so game must be off

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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection Tuesday 1.30pm
Topic Originator: Football_Par  
Date:   Tue 17 Jan 12:51

Games off, Dundee players got told yesterday apparently

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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection Tuesday 1.30pm
Topic Originator: back oh the net  
Date:   Tue 17 Jan 13:05

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jock-par, Tue 17 Jan 11:23

Seemingly Dundee team doing full training session so game must be off


Well if that’s true that I’d love for the ref to turn around and say pitch is fine the games on will show dundee up for the tinpot club we all know they are

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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection Tuesday 1.30pm
Topic Originator: parsmad68  
Date:   Tue 17 Jan 13:10

Would Dunfermline players have known also as their preparations for today would have been geared towards match day instead of training work.

Anyway I suppose I had it in mind it would have been off anyway.
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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection Tuesday 1.30pm
Topic Originator: dover par  
Date:   Tue 17 Jan 13:41

Game is OFF

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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection Tuesday 1.30pm
Topic Originator: Stanza  
Date:   Tue 17 Jan 14:42

Rearranged for next Tue (Jan 24).

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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection - Game off Tuesday 17th
Topic Originator: The Toun Clock  
Date:   Tue 17 Jan 17:23

For the mention of Dundee’s under soil heating further up the post, they confirmed in their statement that they’d told the SPFL a few days ago that they had no intentions of using it, due to costs and that it could make the pitch even worse.
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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection - Game off Tuesday 17th
Topic Originator: cfad  
Date:   Tue 17 Jan 17:38

Dens Park is a total joke
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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection - Game off Tuesday 17th
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Tue 17 Jan 18:30

Surprise, surprise. I wonder how many more cancellations are in the pipeline? I would rather we could get our postponed games v Airdrie and Falkirk rearranged. Not sure why this game is a priority.



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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection - Game off Tuesday 17th
Topic Originator: the saline hill puma  
Date:   Tue 17 Jan 18:57

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GG Riva, Tue 17 Jan 18:30

Surprise, surprise. I wonder how many more cancellations are in the pipeline? I would rather we could get our postponed games v Airdrie and Falkirk rearranged. Not sure why this game is a priority.


Probably because the next round is in a couple weeks time
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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection - Game off Tuesday 17th
Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Tue 17 Jan 20:15

We`ll not be re-arranging league games until we know if we`re playing in the cup on Saturday 11th February.

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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection - Game off Tuesday 17th
Topic Originator: Parsfangaz  
Date:   Tue 17 Jan 22:50

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GG Riva, Tue 17 Jan 18:30

Surprise, surprise. I wonder how many more cancellations are in the pipeline? I would rather we could get our postponed games v Airdrie and Falkirk rearranged. Not sure why this game is a priority.


think they need to play this game and the semis before the final or there could be issues
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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection - Game off Tuesday 17th
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Tue 17 Jan 23:55

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GG Riva, Tue 17 Jan 18:30

Surprise, surprise. I wonder how many more cancellations are in the pipeline? I would rather we could get our postponed games v Airdrie and Falkirk rearranged. Not sure why this game is a priority.


Amen GG!
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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection - Game off Tuesday 17th
Topic Originator: arpar  
Date:   Wed 18 Jan 09:41

The SPFL rules state that the club should have adequate pitch protection for winter weather and use it effectively. Dundee could get fined for choosing not to switch it on.
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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection - Game off Tuesday 17th
Topic Originator: back oh the net  
Date:   Wed 18 Jan 10:45

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I-Know-The-Script, Tue 17 Jan 09:37

I think the game will go ahead. I don`t think there has been any/much rain since Saturday and the overnight temperatures were only around -2. Also I believe they have the undersoil heating switched on.


Turns out you know nothing 😂

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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection - Game off Tuesday 17th
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Wed 18 Jan 13:34

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arpar, Wed 18 Jan 09:41

The SPFL rules state that the club should have adequate pitch protection for winter weather and use it effectively. Dundee could get fined for choosing not to switch it on.


There`s been many times in the past we`ve not switched the USH on, quite right too.
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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection - Game off Tuesday 17th
Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Wed 18 Jan 14:46

Aye, imposing a fine on a club with no money, for not spending money on USH, to get a game on that would have then lost them money - doesn`t seem in the best interests of the Scottish football.

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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection - Game off Tuesday 17th
Topic Originator: arpar  
Date:   Wed 18 Jan 19:06

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DA-go Par Adonis, Wed 18 Jan 14:46

Aye, imposing a fine on a club with no money, for not spending money on USH, to get a game on that would have then lost them money - doesn`t seem in the best interests of the Scottish football.


Certainly wouldn`t be but that doesn`t usually stop them. Clubs will probably be thinking of more cost effective ways of meeting the rules such as covers which have an initial expense but don`t cost anything to use.
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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection - Game off Tuesday 17th
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Wed 18 Jan 19:18

Livi v Dundee Utd was called off tonight at 6.30 by the match referee after passing a 3 pm inspection by an `assistant` although Allan Preston said that was a farce as it took less than two minutes.

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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection - Game off Tuesday 17th
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Wed 18 Jan 22:11

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arpar, Wed 18 Jan 09:41

The SPFL rules state that the club should have adequate pitch protection for winter weather and use it effectively. Dundee could get fined for choosing not to switch it on.


They won`t get fined. Why should they be fined?

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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection - Game off Tuesday 17th
Topic Originator: arpar  
Date:   Thu 19 Jan 19:59

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da_no_1, Wed 18 Jan 22:11

They won`t get fined. Why should they be fined?


I don`t think they should be fined only that they could be for being in breach of the rules.
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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection - Game off Tuesday 17th
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Thu 19 Jan 21:26

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arpar, Thu 19 Jan 19:59

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da_no_1, Wed 18 Jan 22:11

They won`t get fined. Why should they be fined?


I don`t think they should be fined only that they could be for being in breach of the rules.


What rules were breached? Genuine question

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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection - Game off Tuesday 17th
Topic Originator: back oh the net  
Date:   Fri 20 Jan 01:06

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arpar, Wed 18 Jan 09:41

The SPFL rules state that the club should have adequate pitch protection for winter weather and use it effectively. Dundee could get fined for choosing not to switch it on.


It wasn’t turned on because it’s broken like ours is/was so not really breaching any rules are they? Even if it was working I doubt they would turn on a system that probably cost more to run in a day than this game will draw in through the gate money

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 Re: Dundee Pitch Inspection - Game off Tuesday 17th
Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Fri 20 Jan 01:49

Frozen ground, like heavy rain, is generally considered an "Act of God", which means that it is not considered to be anyone`s legal responsibility.

Some might argue that there can be a liability where an organisation fails to properly maintain infrastructure in bad weather, but would it be worth penalising someone for it or challenging any fine in court?

As DA-Go correctly points out, the economics of the Scottish game below premier status does not allow room for frivolous fines on clubs with no cash to spare.

No one wins in these situations. The fans who lost money travelling to a cancelled game will likely stay at home when the match is finally played at Dens Park. Both Dundee and the Pars will probably lose money playing this game.

It is a bum rap for everyone.

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