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 Pyrotechnics
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 08:55

We can`t ignore this new plague on the game. It`s got to stop even if it means putting netting or wiring up to stop it. Folk who do this don`t love football.

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 Re: Pyrotechnics
Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 09:07

The boys/girls who had them last night seemed to be loving their football!

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 Re: Pyrotechnics
Topic Originator: Ditch  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 09:08

Chucking stuff including pyro`s on the pitch definitely needs stopped.

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 Re: Pyrotechnics
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 09:11

"The boys/girls who had them last night seemed to be loving their football!"

The defence of the indefensible (criminal act) starts immediately.

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 Re: Pyrotechnics
Topic Originator: brian  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 09:23

close the North West !!

only joking, but thats what will happen.

Jason and his team have done a great job in the North West and they are about to lose all that hard work they have done.

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 Re: Pyrotechnics
Topic Originator: danielpar  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 09:26

The club will have to act and could see a closure coming. How many times are these idiots going to get away with throwing vapes etc at opposition players.

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 Re: Pyrotechnics
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 09:36

The NW is the heart of the ground but just can`t be allowed to break the law. It`s that simple. The only folk that will suffer will be themselves with stadium bans & sections closed. Carry on backing the team like you do but please stop chucking stuff on the pitch.

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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 09:42

"The defence of the indefensible (criminal act) starts immediately."

The defence of what exactly? The comment I am disagreeing with was that they are not football fans.

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 Re: Pyrotechnics
Topic Originator: Indiapar  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 09:43

They need to conduct themselves with a bit more dignity. Nothing wrong with the enthusiasm but redirect it more positively
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 Re: Pyrotechnics
Topic Originator: parsmad68  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 09:48

There was a lighter also thrown on the pitch. It was picked up by a police officer and handed to a steward.
I very much enjoy the young lads enthusiasm but there will be repercussions on the flares and lighter incident and I agree with Brian that shutting that area down may be the eventual action, sadly.
I did chuckle correctly or incorrectly when the Falkirk player lost the ball to a rolled up piece of paper.
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 Re: Pyrotechnics
Topic Originator: Bamba-Daft  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 09:51

Things like that are always going to happen at big games. There were about 3500-4000 people who don’t normally go to games there last night, it didn’t happen against alloa on Saturday.. it’s folk just coming for the occasion, not the regulars in that section. If it wasn’t for them EEP would be completely silent every week.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 09:57

The Scottish Football Supporters Association are looking for dialogue with the authorities re the safe use of pyrotechnics.

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 Re: Pyrotechnics
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 09:58

You can make a noise without indulging in anti-social behaviour which can endanger others. Sadly, every generation seems to have to make its own mistakes rather than learn from the past.

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 Re: Pyrotechnics
Topic Originator: gwh18  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 10:07

Is East end exceptional in that it will have to have sections closed down.? Do you ever listen to yourself. Have a wee look at what happens at other grounds and think about what you are saying. I’m not condoning items going on the pitch. But if they aren’t brought in there Won’t be a problem and who is supposed to stop them coming in ? I guess those who light them get the fear that they are going to get lifted by a steward and the police, so sling them. I do agree that nothing should be throw on the pitch though, I’m not completely grumpy.it’s the over reaction and the rush to dictate what should happen gets on my goat.




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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 10:08

"The defence of the indefensible (criminal act) starts immediately."

The defence of what exactly? The comment I am disagreeing with was that they are not football fans.

It appeared to be excusing the inexcusable - apologies if not, and you agree this behaviour is unacceptable.

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 Re: Pyrotechnics
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 10:09

The backing from the NW is and always has been excellent, but let`s not chuck stuff on the pitch guys, please?




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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 10:11

Bamba-daft in daft post shock

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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 10:15

"It appeared to be excusing the inexcusable - apologies if not, and you agree this behaviour is unacceptable."

I`m up for them creating an atmosphere in the NW and I`m happy for a bit of pyro (with the authorities and the SFSA working something out). I`m not up for anything getting thrown on the pitch - whether it`s a scrunched up bit of paper, a lighter or a flare.

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 Re: Pyrotechnics
Topic Originator: wetherby  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 10:26

As a NW Season Ticket holder I enjoy the atmosphere but someone will get hurt eventually by throwing pyros onto the pitch. If has to stop .

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 Re: Pyrotechnics
Topic Originator: DRreturns  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 10:28

Easily fixed,

Have people trained to use them and dispose of them correctly.

Cheap, simple, keeps everyone happy and adds to the atmosphere.

The problem is the dinosaurs crying over some smoke.


I do think it`s stupid when they fling them on the pitch and damage the turf but that would stop immediately should it be handled correctly.

Having 2/3 adults standing pitch side with a smoke bomb just before kick off would hardly be difficult to organise.

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 Re: Pyrotechnics
Topic Originator: steaua  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 10:34

It is a game of football no matter how important, but throwing stuff on the pitch and from I have heard at opposing players at corners , that is not on. Maybe the club should get this group in one night to have a meeting re what is expected when they come to a match, , and if not this will continue if nothing is done. Some if my friends sit in the section next to them and have done for as far back as I can remember and it is not acceptable to them having to tolerate last night. So come on boys/girls support the team as you do in other games and cut out the other stuff.

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 Re: Pyrotechnics
Topic Originator: Bamba-Daft  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 10:39

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da_no_1, Wed 08 Mar 10:11

Bamba-daft in daft post shock


Go on then.. enlighten me as to what is incorrect. Was there almost 4000 people who are not regulars? Yes. Was there loads of young lads in that section who were just there for the occasion? Ofcourse. Would eep be silent without that section? Without a doubt.
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 10:44

The ref added 6 minutes at the end of the game. I reckon at least half of that was due to the time we had to wait until the stuff thrown on to the pitch burned itself out. How exactly does that add to the spectacle or enjoyment of the game? Do the folk that throw them get some kind of thrill from seeing the influence they have on the game most fans come to see uninterrupted by off-field behaviour?

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Topic Originator: brian  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 10:57

bamba-daft, that is absolutely no excuse !

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 Re: Pyrotechnics
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 11:49

It was a nice spectacle and the NW are the heartbeat of the club, but it`s not going to end well for them if a few can`t control themselves.

Rather than even thinking about a ban, it would be good to see further engagement around creating a spectacle without getting in bother. I`m aware there`s work already going on around this but it maybe needs taken up a level to capture the harder to reach fans who may be more in favour of taking matters into their own hands.
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 Re: Pyrotechnics
Topic Originator: EastEndTales  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 12:41

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Bamba-Daft, Wed 8 Mar 10:39

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da_no_1, Wed 08 Mar 10:11

Bamba-daft in daft post shock


Go on then.. enlighten me as to what is incorrect. Was there almost 4000 people who are not regulars? Yes. Was there loads of young lads in that section who were just there for the occasion? Ofcourse. Would eep be silent without that section? Without a doubt.


Why is it acceptable to throw a lighter? That`s not on the whole section that`s one idiot. Which is not acceptable.

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 Re: Pyrotechnics
Topic Originator: par_33  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 13:04

A couple boys were lifted by the police last night out the north west whether it was for the pyrotechnics or going onto the pitch I don’t know…were they taken up the police station and in court this morning? Or just given a slap on the wrists and chucked out?

Closing the NW wouldn’t solve the problem, they’ll just congregate at the front of the Norrie instead.

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Topic Originator: Johan_Cruyff  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 13:16

School gets out at 3.15pm (ish) the young team are hyped and ready for the game.

4 hours of drinking time before a 745pm kick off

Always going to be an issue unfortunately

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 Re: Pyrotechnics
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 13:26

My main concerns are that the club could be asked to close the NW as a punishment and/or landed with a hefty fine - money that could be spent on something else. e.g. a new player, extending contracts, stadium improvements etc.



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Topic Originator: par-91  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 13:41

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GG Riva, Wed 8 Mar 13:26

My main concerns are that the club could be asked to close the NW as a punishment and/or landed with a hefty fine - money that could be spent on something else. e.g. a new player, extending contracts, stadium improvements etc.


Club can’t be fined, as the Old Firm keep blocking the strict liability rules. However, the club will suffer due to increased policing costs, repairs to the pitch/anything else that’s damaged. The police may also force the club to take measures to prevent this, demanding that sections be shut, banning orders put in place, may even prevent individual match tickets being sold for that section of the ground? I’m just speculating there, but there are still consequences to these actions.

The behaviour is unacceptable. Whether it’s one person or several, it needs to stop.
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 Re: Pyrotechnics
Topic Originator: SusieQ  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 14:48

Not a fan of these in the slightest tbh.

There is no doubt the NW is superb in terms of noise & atmosphere but where they let themselves AND the club down is when things like last night happen & it's not the first time.

Absolutely no reason to throw anything onto the pitch - never has been, never will be.

The club would have made a lot of money from last night`s crowd - what`s the point if we then have to spend that extra money on fines or pitch repairs??

There`s a reason the players all run to that area when they score at the Norrie end - the singing & drumming last night was fantastic - the rest - not so much!


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 Re: Pyrotechnics
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 15:07

Considering they burn at 1000 degrees plus they`re hardly safe!
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 Re: Pyrotechnics
Topic Originator: kelty_par  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 16:15

"Cheap, simple, keeps everyone happy and adds to the atmosphere.

The problem is the dinosaurs crying over some smoke."

Keeps everyone happy? Not really. Especially if you`re stuck behind or next to one of them.

Adds to the atmosphere? In what way? I`ve been to countless games with fantastic atmospheres without pyrotechnics and I`ve seen countless games where the pyro just looks a little, well,.sad. A 10,000 crowd with signing and banter creates a he`ll of a lot more atmosphere than a crowd of 1,000 with a daft smoke bomb. How much did the 3 minute delay at the start of the game add to the atmosphere? If anything it meant the chanting stopped and the atmosphere turned flat very quickly.

Dinosaurs crying over some smoke? The smoke can be quite problematic for asthmatics, amongst others. And the folk chucking them as well don`t help.- go onto the pitch and it causes delays (or as we saw at Starks Park a few years back, damage to the pitch), don`t manage to get it right and it ends up hitting someone in your own stand (as apparently happened in the away end last night). How are you disposing them if you`re in the middle of a crowded section?

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Topic Originator: Parsdaft  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 16:20

Far worse than Dunfermline fans regarding Pyro at games. It’s pretty common across European stadia amongst younger fans. Creates great visual spectacle.

Don’t see it going away anytime soon. As some suggest the rulers of the game are looking for common ground going forward.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 16:30

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Parsdaft, Wed 8 Mar 16:20

Far worse than Dunfermline fans regarding Pyro at games. It’s pretty common across European stadia amongst younger fans. Creates great visual spectacle.

Don’t see it going away anytime soon. As some suggest the rulers of the game are looking for common ground going forward.


What happens at other grounds is none of our concern and frankly, irrelevant. I know most of the fans in that corner are excitable youngsters but older fans should have been telling them throwing Pyros on the pitch was totally unacceptable and in no uncertain terms.



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 Re: Pyrotechnics
Topic Originator: cammypar 1995  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 17:13

Only noticed on the highlights but at one of our celebrations one of the objects thrown on was actually quite close to our own players and toddy kicked it to the side.

I would imagine the club will have already had an email regarding a fine for it. A game where the club will have made a sizable fee which some will be lost due to fines. Never understood why folk would do something that will hurt the club financially?

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Topic Originator: brian  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 17:16

Quote:

The problem is the dinosaurs crying over some smoke.


pretty poor comment in my opinion.

it is not just smoke, if that was a plastic pitch it would have been seriously damaged. somebody could have been injured. far too dangerous to continue this practice.

you need to waken up, smell the coffee and listen to auld gits !!





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 Re: Pyrotechnics
Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 17:38

I bet the ones doing this and enjoying it are unvaccinated, probably climate deniers and conspiracy theorists too.

You know the types.

My kids loved it, they want to go to the next match because of it.

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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 18:18

Pyro is an irritant to the eyes and lungs - it also burns at very high temperatures.

It’s also illegal for minors to buy or possess - then it’s illegal to take into stadia, regardless of age.

As GG says, irrelevant what occurs in other countries or grounds, what happens at EEP is the only issue.
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Topic Originator: back oh the net  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 18:21

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cammypar 1995, Wed 08 Mar 17:13

Only noticed on the highlights but at one of our celebrations one of the objects thrown on was actually quite close to our own players and toddy kicked it to the side.



Ah you mean the smoke bomb that was thrown from the front of the norrie? Mibby we should shut that stand as well? Nah didn’t think so

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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 18:23

Been discussed to death on here what to do with the young ones.
Banned from their preferred section L, they were always going to find another area to congregate.
While objects other than rolled up paper should be rightfully condemned, I absolutely loved the atmosphere in the NW last night as did the players clearly.

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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 18:56

If you watch the highlights it comes from the NW. I didn`t mention anything about closing stands etc so a very strange comment. The Muppet that chucked it simply gets found and banned it`s really that simple. It`s astonishing that this is even been debated it`s against the law and it`s really that simple. If it hit someone causing life changing injuries would it be acceptable?

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Topic Originator: Bamba-Daft  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 19:06

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AdamAntsParsStripe, Wed 08 Mar 18:23

Been discussed to death on here what to do with the young ones.
Banned from their preferred section L, they were always going to find another area to congregate.
While objects other than rolled up paper should be rightfully condemned, I absolutely loved the atmosphere in the NW last night as did the players clearly.


The young lads in the NW would have been about 10 years old when section L was open
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Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 19:19

Anyone suggesting the pyro last night added anything to the atmosphere is clearly deluded as it looked like pyro from wish. Utterly cringeworthy 😂


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Topic Originator: MikeyDee  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 22:23

People moaning on here for the sake of moaning, it’s laughable. Too many Karen’s these days

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 Re: Pyrotechnics
Topic Originator: Rigger Al  
Date:   Wed 8 Mar 22:28

Too much stupidity throwing items on the park more like
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Topic Originator: DunPar  
Date:   Thu 9 Mar 03:41

Cringeworthy pyros should be banned totally but can we also ban our bellboys from waving cringeworthy chequered flags ?………they’re pathetic, embarrassing……….maybe we can chip in to buy some decent sized ones for them to wave ?

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Topic Originator: DunPar  
Date:   Thu 9 Mar 03:47

Maybe the lads in the NW could be persuaded to use these cool light sticks instead of pyros ? Surely these would add to the party atmosphere ?

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Topic Originator: DulochConvert  
Date:   Thu 9 Mar 05:59

Yes they are wrong, but if anyone watched the League Cup final the week past and the crazy amount set off, it was so bad that the high camera couldn’t even give a good picture.
A couple of idiots doesn’t make a banning order, especially when 100 plus are set off at the national stadium. The SFA are in charge of Hampden they allowed the bottom cheeks do there bit!

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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995  
Date:   Thu 9 Mar 08:01

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DulochConvert, Thu 9 Mar 05:59

Yes they are wrong, but if anyone watched the League Cup final the week past and the crazy amount set off, it was so bad that the high camera couldn’t even give a good picture.
A couple of idiots doesn’t make a banning order, especially when 100 plus are set off at the national stadium. The SFA are in charge of Hampden they allowed the bottom cheeks do there bit!


Although your correct 2 wrongs don`t make a right. Celtic have had numerous fines for pyro over the years with their supporters getting fed up with it at I`ve point.

Trauma specialists in Scotland have seen a “stark increase” in horror injuries from pyrotechnics, including around 20 in A&E in the past year alone. Firework injuries can typically include severe facial burns, injuries which maim the hand, and even loss of vision.

This was from an article from 2022 I`d imagine figures are higher now.

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Topic Originator: Wotsit  
Date:   Thu 9 Mar 09:17

I wonder how many folk end up in A&E from pie or bovril related injuries every year. Or injuries relating to untied shoelaces?

I nearly took my eye out putting my glasses on the other week.

Not so long ago I ended up in hospital because I smashed a glass bowl on my foot.

How many of those 20 injuries happened in football stadiums by the way, and how many on or aroubd Guy Fawkes? Because I suspect that we would better reduce that number by banning fireworks in November.

Now, if there was a spate of people chucking smoke bombs into the opposition end or deliberately trying to hit players then I might see your point, but the notion that we should further sanitise football because we might prevent one or two minor injuries - these are smoke bombs remember, not explosive fireworks - is a very pursed-lips position to take.

Lighten up and enjoy the show.


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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995  
Date:   Thu 9 Mar 09:31

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Wotsit, Thu 9 Mar 09:17

I wonder how many folk end up in A&E from pie or bovril related injuries every year. Or injuries relating to untied shoelaces?

I nearly took my eye out putting my glasses on the other week.

Not so long ago I ended up in hospital because I smashed a glass bowl on my foot.

How many of those 20 injuries happened in football stadiums by the way, and how many on or aroubd Guy Fawkes? Because I suspect that we would better reduce that number by banning fireworks in November.

Now, if there was a spate of people chucking smoke bombs into the opposition end or deliberately trying to hit players then I might see your point, but the notion that we should further sanitise football because we might prevent one or two minor injuries - these are smoke bombs remember, not explosive fireworks - is a very pursed-lips position to take.

Lighten up and enjoy the show.


The stat was football mat he`s and concerts. Celtic were fined £17k for pyrotechnics and throwing objects against Leipzig. If we get a fine even a fraction of that for the same thing which is possible if the referee mentioned it in his match report then the club take a hit every time it`s happening.

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 Re: Pyrotechnics
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Thu 9 Mar 10:05

Pyrotechnics are classed as “explosive substances” - for a reason.
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Topic Originator: EastEndTales  
Date:   Thu 9 Mar 10:10

The only pie and bovril injuries happen on Ruel Street.

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 Re: Pyrotechnics
Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par  
Date:   Thu 9 Mar 12:53

The level of bed wetting on here is embarrassing, It’s not like it happens at every match ffs. Let’s get behind the Northwest section, they are bringing an amazing atmosphere back to East end park that has been missing since the days of the cage.
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Topic Originator: dpard  
Date:   Thu 9 Mar 13:20

I`m all for the atmosphere and even a little pyro, but could someone, anyone, please try and get it through their heads, that throwing anything onto the pitch and/or jumping the wall when we score, has to stop.
Looking at two similar size clubs in Motherwell and St Mirren, they both have their sections closest to the away fans, creating a great atmosphere but usually only have 1 steward watching them. The only difference being that they don`t chuck stuff or jump on the pitch.
Stop that nonsense and keep up the atmosphere which has rightly received so much praise.

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 Re: Pyrotechnics
Topic Originator: p4r5f4n  
Date:   Thu 9 Mar 13:37

In my day it was screw top bottles filled with p#$h that were lobbed from the terracing. They really hurt if they hit you. You did get a free shower though as the flew over your head.
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 Re: Pyrotechnics
Topic Originator: yorkiepar  
Date:   Thu 9 Mar 16:14

My response to Wotsit’s post above would be to say, “get a grip”.
Some folk have incredibly short memories. It really isn’t that long ago that the Club was on the verge of administration and loyal fans were donating money to keep it in existence - every penny counted. And of course we’re really not yet out of the woods. The recent investment in the Club, whilst it’s not huge, has at least softened the blow of relegation: I’d certainly far rather be in our position than that of Falkirk - £1.2 million loss!! Jeez.
So to imply that moaners like me should “lighten up” and let the silly laddies have their fun is plainly irresponsible.
Don’t get me wrong, I totally approve of the support that the NW brings to the games and I admire their enthusiasm. I even like their drum! But the “see me” mentality of throwing stuff on the pitch, lighting flares and jumping the barriers is plain wrong.
If the Club is fined for the pyrotechnic incident will those responsible for throwing them be stumping up? Thought not.
To a dinosaur like me this sort of behaviour - as well as publicly spitting on the former Chairman or slashing his car tyres - is just not on.

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Thu 9 Mar 18:16

Aren`t the banners and things funded by the guys in the NW and through contributions to the displays? Obviously still doesn`t make it acceptable to destroy things.

The guy`s in the NW are an absolute credit to the club. The singing always starts in that corner. Falkirk to their credit seemed to have a good group of guys up the back too.

It`d be interesting to survey some of the under 16s to see what attracts or puts them off coming to the football. I think my eldest is the only Pars fan in his class. The rest support Celtic, Hearts or don`t have an interest in football.
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Topic Originator: Kaiser Chief  
Date:   Thu 9 Mar 19:26

Digs was right when he said earlier that the new `Section NW` banner cost around £1000. It was part funded (half) by the PST with the rest, which includes the barrier it`s fixed to, being funded by the club. Shame it`s been damaged the way it has, when a number of people are really trying to create somewhere that the fans there can identify as their own.
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Topic Originator: DulochConvert  
Date:   Thu 9 Mar 19:49

Are you suggesting that it was damaged maliciously or exuberantly? As if it’s the latter then surely there can’t be any real criticism, as the video of there celebrating shows they are just young guys having a great time.
Wouldn’t it be better if the banner was put across the hoarding in front of the section and just the generic G4S advertisement used to cover the seats?

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Topic Originator: brian  
Date:   Thu 9 Mar 21:06

No matter which way, there is justified criticism about the damage.

Don`t try and justify the damage as being OK

Not acceptable

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Topic Originator: Kaiser Chief  
Date:   Thu 9 Mar 21:18

Saw this earlier...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64901295

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Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Thu 9 Mar 21:38

From some of the videos circulating it might be easy for the club to identify who has thrown the ones on to the pitch (especially the recording taken in the NW itself).

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Topic Originator: DulochConvert  
Date:   Thu 9 Mar 21:38

Brian is there?

If I had 30 kids, 4 years old in my house for a party and a vase on the table got knocked over should I be annoyed?

Yes this is a simplistic example but if amplified

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Topic Originator: brian  
Date:   Thu 9 Mar 21:44

don`t try and justify it with feeble examples.

4 year olds wouldn`t throw explosives

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Topic Originator: DulochConvert  
Date:   Thu 9 Mar 22:09

Where did chucking explosives come from! The reasonable discussion was about the damage to banner!

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Topic Originator: Bazzler1981  
Date:   Thu 9 Mar 22:34

The young team obviously lost themselves in the occasion (I’m 42 and was jumping about like a f***y) and damaged the flag/banner but what if the young team whipped round and paid for the damage??

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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par  
Date:   Thu 9 Mar 22:44

I`m a bit puzzled as to how this banner getting damaged is irrelevant.

If someone wanted to pay for the repair or a new banner how much should they send and where should they send it?

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Topic Originator: Bazzler1981  
Date:   Thu 9 Mar 23:02

Its no irrelevant my point was if you break something without malice you pay for it or replace it no?
I don’t know who organises all that stuff but wouldn’t be to hard to set something up if the young one’s wanted to make amends

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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par  
Date:   Thu 9 Mar 23:09

If you break something with malice you should certainly pay for it. If it was an accident then there may be other ways to fix things.

It`s not you I was disagreeing with, it was the poster claiming the intent was irrelevant.

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Topic Originator: Bazzler1981  
Date:   Thu 9 Mar 23:44

Sorry Bletchley yeah something got damaged so some person or persons have to be accountable, if you hold your hands up apologise then fair play but you can’t just shrug your shoulders and say oh well

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Topic Originator: DBA  
Date:   Fri 10 Mar 00:43

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brian, Thu 9 Mar 21:44

don`t try and justify it with feeble examples.

4 year olds wouldn`t throw explosives


You`ve obviously never lived with a 4 year old!

I got in about 40 mins before ko and there was a significant amount of the NW boys in. Absolutely nothing should be thrown on the pitch, but the actions of 2 or 3 shouldn`t define the stand. They were magnificent.

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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995  
Date:   Fri 10 Mar 06:47

Mind when I was younger put a football through a boys greenhouse ( wasn`t that good to be on purpose). Paid for the broken glass and we both moved on.

c'mon the pars

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Topic Originator: back oh the net  
Date:   Fri 10 Mar 06:56

It’s worth mentioning that it’s flares you know the bright red things you light if your boat starts to sink that burn at over 1000 degrees information on how hot a smoke bomb gets isn’t actually that easy to find in fact the only info uncle google seems to throw back is how hot the M18 smoke grenade gets it’s also worth noting that you can buy the type of smoke bombs we see being used on Amazon quite easily and the product description suggests wearing a glove while holding them as they do tend to get warm not life changing injury hot like some people are suggesting but hey ho now you know where the young guys are probably buying them from

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Topic Originator: parsmad68  
Date:   Fri 10 Mar 08:55

Quote:

back oh the net, Fri 10 Mar 06:56

It’s worth mentioning that it’s flares you know the bright red things you light if your boat starts to sink that burn at over 1000 degrees information on how hot a smoke bomb gets isn’t actually that easy to find in fact the only info uncle google seems to throw back is how hot the M18 smoke grenade gets it’s also worth noting that you can buy the type of smoke bombs we see being used on Amazon quite easily and the product description suggests wearing a glove while holding them as they do tend to get warm not life changing injury hot like some people are suggesting but hey ho now you know where the young guys are probably buying them from


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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Fri 10 Mar 09:05

Distress flares intended for emergency scenarios are not designed to be discharged in the proximity of any other person(s) - irresponsible use in a crowded location is wrong at all levels.
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Topic Originator: Bamba-Daft  
Date:   Fri 10 Mar 14:47

Good job there were absolute no distress flares set off then.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Fri 10 Mar 14:49

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Bamba-Daft, Fri 10 Mar 14:47

Good job there were absolute no distress flares set off then.


Like the ones Suzi Quattro used to wear?

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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Fri 10 Mar 15:04

"Good job there were absolute no distress flares set off then."

Only perceived "safe" pyro ?



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Topic Originator: Wotsit  
Date:   Fri 10 Mar 15:21

Safer.

Definitely much safer than flares or fireworks.


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Topic Originator: par_33  
Date:   Fri 10 Mar 18:00

Tad odd how folk are are annoyed at the banner being damaged considering they put it over the first few rows, a silly move imo. It was obvious everybody was gonna plough over it and to the front when we scored.

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Fri 10 Mar 18:18

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par_33, Fri 10 Mar 18:00

Tad odd how folk are are annoyed at the banner being damaged considering they put it over the first few rows, a silly move imo. It was obvious everybody was gonna plough over it and to the front when we scored.


Isn`t that the exact reason the banner was placed there? In the same way they taped off the first few rows in the away end and let people put banners over them?
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Topic Originator: par_33  
Date:   Fri 10 Mar 18:35

jake89 wrote:


Isn`t that the exact reason the banner was placed there? In the
same way they taped off the first few rows in the away end and
let people put banners over them?


Doesn’t matter, no matter what they put over the front few rows, everybody is piling to the front. Shame we never got to see Falkirk score in front of their fans..I’m sure they’d of all celebrate down the stairs n to the front too.

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Topic Originator: par58  
Date:   Fri 10 Mar 20:29

Whatever the rights and wrongs at the end of the day throwing anything onto the pitch is endangering the safety of players, officials, stewards, ball boys/girls. Throwing incendiaries is seriously irresponsible and runs the risk of serious injury to those described above. We are trying to win the league and this is a serious distraction from the main objective of winning games. EEP has never been seen as a dangerous place to visit for visiting fans, intimidated yes, dangerous no. Recent behaviour seriously detracts from our main aim to win the league but also damages our reputation as a welcoming and friendly place to visit, no matter your affiliation, for visiting officials as well as visiting fans, and I sincerely include Falkirk supports in that, otherwise we are no better than other less reputable clubs. Our team, management staff, directors and support staff deserve better.
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Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Fri 10 Mar 21:09

Anybody bringing items to East End Park to throw onto the pitch does not have the best interests of Dunfermline Athletic at heart and will bring disrepute to the club. What age do people need to be to understand that? The enthusiasm is great, I was dancing about like a two year old myself. It was a special evening. There were, I reckon, many young supporters there on Tuesday night, who behaved impeccably. It was possibly their first Dunfermline game. It would be great if they all came back. I doubt if they were greatly impressed by the over zealous antics of their fellow teenagers chucking stuff onto the pitch.

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sat 11 Mar 08:58

Minor point, but it`s not just teenagers in the NW.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sat 11 Mar 09:28

One of those who got onto the pitch looked well past his teenage sell by date !!!
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sat 11 Mar 11:25

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veteraneastender, Sat 11 Mar 09:28

One of those who got onto the pitch looked well past his teenage sell by date !!!


Dare I say it he looked like a veteran east ender.....

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Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Sat 11 Mar 11:44

When I said teenagers, I was talking about mental age (12 or 13 say)?

I did notice one old guy with mobility issues limping onto the field of play to cuddle one of our players but no sign of pyrotechnics sticking out of his pockets. It`s actually quite funny. He might even be Chris Hamilton`s dad.



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Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Sat 11 Mar 12:06

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Paralex, Sat 11 Mar 11:44

When I said teenagers, I was talking about mental age (12 or 13 say)?

I did notice one old guy with mobility issues limping onto the field of play to cuddle one of our players but no sign of pyrotechnics sticking out of his pockets. It`s actually quite funny. He might even be Chris Hamilton`s dad.



I was thinking more like his grandad, looked about 70
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Sat 11 Mar 12:29

2 page spread on pyros in the Daily Record, mainly based around the OF final from the other week.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sat 11 Mar 17:06

"Dare I say it he looked like a veteran east ender....."

Much older - I`m still within expiry date !!!

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