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Topic Originator: Alf
Date: Fri 10 Mar 17:17
For the next home game full statement on COWS
Post Edited (Fri 10 Mar 17:24)
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Topic Originator: LEGEND85
Date: Fri 10 Mar 17:19
But season ticket holders can remain so not completely closed
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Fri 10 Mar 17:19
Quote:
Alf, Fri 10 Mar 17:17
For the next home game full statement on COWS
Only to non season ticket holders.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: dafc123
Date: Fri 10 Mar 17:22
It’s not closed you are lying. No additional tickets can be bought for it. What an utterly abhorrent way to treat the fans. Without the NW then the Lino wouldn’t have given the first goal. I was sat in the Norrie (GBNF ) and genuinely never saw anything aimed at the linesman? Yes there were pyrotechnics (flares, vapes etc) that were chucked on to the pitch but nothing worse than the smoking enclosure just outside NW so not sure what the issue is there.
I’d imagine Cook will combust when he sees the fantastic Saint Pauli fans at EEP.
Post Edited (Fri 10 Mar 17:23)
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Topic Originator: EastEndTales
Date: Fri 10 Mar 17:31
You think it`s Cooks fault ???? You seriously think this isn`t pressure by the police after **** was thrown onto the park and again there were attempts to get on the park? Aye blame the board for that instead of individuals taking responsibility for themselves.
Ep. 7 of East End Tales is out now with Callum Morris! Match in focus: Stenhousemuir 4-5 Pars
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Topic Originator: Bazzler1981
Date: Fri 10 Mar 17:36
What and throwing things on the pitch or at opposing players is not abhorrent??
Now I’m going to have to buy a tartan rug and some boiled sweets to sit in the main stand 😢😢
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Topic Originator: dafc123
Date: Fri 10 Mar 17:36
I have a right to voice my own opinion without the fear of being lambasted like this.
It clearly is cooks fault. It has his name at the bottom. Are you suggesting he is being coerced into this by police Scotland? What a truly damming way to look at our justice system.
DAFC employ security who could find a fudge doughnut in Stephens. Not really the fans fault here at all actually.
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Topic Originator: The Lawyer
Date: Fri 10 Mar 17:37
Not at all surprising.
While it was a great atmosphere on Tuesday it was inevitable that action had to be taken.
Looking at what has happened at Easter Road it is probably lucky that arrests haven`t taken place here. Several Spanish supporters were also arrested at Old Trafford. As a police officer was apparently injured so a potentially serious charge.
Both our political masters and the football authorities have made it clear that using any form of flares will result in serious consequences.
In our case, the first strike could well be a fine which the Club can I`ll afford.
The North West support is great. Let`s not shoot ourselves in the foot.
Paraid
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Fri 10 Mar 17:38
While some fans will not agree with the club`s response, the BoD could not be seen to be sitting on their hands. This might invite more severe sanctions from the SFA, the SPFL or even Police Scotland.
It`s probably the very minimum expected by the authorities.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Ladswell_Thistle
Date: Fri 10 Mar 17:39
Stand will still be busy that day. Most of section north west are season ticket holders??
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Topic Originator: dafc123
Date: Fri 10 Mar 17:40
The Lawyer, although I agree with ur sentiment. Are the security / police not to blame here for not searching fans? And not preventing fans from getting on the pitch?
Seems easily sorted if they done their jobs?
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Topic Originator: Ormiston_Par
Date: Fri 10 Mar 17:43
Well well well, if it isn`t the consequence of your own foolish actions......
The artist formerly known as KGB / Slim Hoolie
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Topic Originator: Biggles
Date: Fri 10 Mar 17:43
" Not really the fans fault here at all actually"
Genuinely wondering as to who`s fault it is then? Surely you can see that items being thrown onto the pitch, which caused the game to be delayed and which was deemed necessary for the referee to put In his match report, can only be the fans fault?
Who else is to blame here?
Will he save it? Save it??? He never bloody saw it! Like a bullet!
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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Fri 10 Mar 17:43
So are the club saying it’s non season ticket holders that are the problem?
The Stewart’s etc are there to tick a box, all agency paid. The one Infront of us didn’t even raise his head all game.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 10 Mar 17:44
Inevitable sadly.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: jpar
Date: Fri 10 Mar 17:53
It was my first home game this season on Tuesday - can`t say I was proud to see things thrown at opposing players, even if it is just a scrunched up napkin. Players should feel safe at every stadium and they don`t know if that thing getting thrown at them is a harmless napkin or something worse. There is plenty scope for passion without jumping the railings and chucking things on the pitch. Disappointing that the club needs to have so many stewards in front of the NW corner.
The club response is measured and sensible. EEP is not Ibrox.
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Topic Originator: par_33
Date: Fri 10 Mar 17:54
Not quite sure why they’ve done this. Am I right in saying this is the first instance of bad behaviour?
Half the idiots within that area on Tuesday probably won’t be at another game till trophy day (if we win the league). It wasn’t just your usual North West bunch in there on Tuesday.
What is stopping them congregating at the front of the Norrie now if they do attend? It doesn’t really solve the issue.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Fri 10 Mar 17:58
"Am I right in saying this is the first instance of bad behaviour?"
Sadly no.
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Topic Originator: brian
Date: Fri 10 Mar 17:58
The last poster indicated that perhaps new visitors were causing the issue, hence the action to allow ST only.
The club had to take action, and you can`t blame them. I`m afraid it`s not David Cook that`s deluded.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Fri 10 Mar 18:02
"Without the NW then the Lino wouldn’t have given the first goal."
A bit early for 1st April nonsense ?
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Topic Originator: Ormiston_Par
Date: Fri 10 Mar 18:02
The problem is the same problem we`ve always had - a group of immature young lads who haven`t yet learned how to behave like civilised people.
Eventually, they will grow out of it, by which time the next generation of daft wee laddies will have taken over. Rinse and repeat forever.
Not really the fans fault here at all actually.
Incidentally, that is singularly one of the most idiotic things I`ve ever read on this forum. And that`s saying something.
The artist formerly known as KGB / Slim Hoolie
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Fri 10 Mar 18:06
Quote:
dafc123, Fri 10 Mar 17:40
The Lawyer, although I agree with ur sentiment. Are the security / police not to blame here for not searching fans? And not preventing fans from getting on the pitch?
Seems easily sorted if they done their jobs?
OMG, step back and read your post again, dafc123. Security (stewards) and the police to blame because some fans threw pyros and other assorted stuff on the pitch? Really?
You`ll have to explain the logic underlying your conclusion because I`m completely baffled.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Fri 10 Mar 18:13
Incidently, some of the items thrown (not just on Tuesday, I might add) include pound coins, disposable vapes, lighters etc. I can just imagine the outcry from the likes of dafc123 had the Police stopped fans from bringing those perfectly legal and legitimate to have on their person items into the ground.
As a side note, a club in England are doing exactly that. No coins (kiosks are card only), no vapes or lighters (stadium is smoke free), no phone charging banks etc allowed in the away end. Can`t remember who it is, but presumably dafc123 would be fine with such draconian measures at EEP?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 10 Mar 18:17
The logic on this post would suggest that it`s the homeowners fault for not sufficiently securing their home when a criminal breaks in.
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Topic Originator: The Lawyer
Date: Fri 10 Mar 18:18
Rather a strange argument. Neither the police nor the stewards threw anything on to the pitch.
Let`s face it, the consequences of your argument would entail us standing in long, long lines outside EEP while some Steward, hired at considerable cost the the Club, carried out a full body search.
It has been reported in the press in the last few days that kids as young as 9 have carried in flares for their bigger mates.
The answer is simple. Just act responsibly.
Paraid
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Topic Originator: elvis_lives
Date: Fri 10 Mar 18:18
Quote:
dafc123, Fri 10 Mar 17:36
I have a right to voice my own opinion without the fear of being lambasted like this.
It clearly is cooks fault. It has his name at the bottom. Are you suggesting he is being coerced into this by police Scotland? What a truly damming way to look at our justice system.
DAFC employ security who could find a fudge doughnut in Stephens. Not really the fans fault here at all actually.
You have right to say things, others have the right to challenge the pihs you wrote.
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Topic Originator: Malcolm Canmore
Date: Fri 10 Mar 18:20
Surely dafc123 has an uncatchable lead in the contest for the daftest post of the year. The people who brought the pyros into the stadium in contravention of the ground regulations were not at fault. The people who threw them on to the pitch were not at fault. The people who threw other objects towards the pitch were not at fault.
The people who were responsible were Police Scotland, who failed to search every single one of the 9,000 plus crowd. Even if the police had had the manpower to do that, no doubt dafc123 would be complaining about delays getting into the ground.
My dog eats meat
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Fri 10 Mar 18:21
The stewards on entry were making jokes about everyone having pyrotechnics and didn`t discourage it in the slightest. Problem starts here
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 10 Mar 18:28
No the problem starts with folk bringing in stuff they’re not supposed to, and they know it.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: SusieQ
Date: Fri 10 Mar 18:28
No - the problem "starts" with the idiots that think they can do what they like.
There`s a reason why pyros to be "sneaked" in!
Just stop doing it before we get fined, or they DO end up having to close the stand to EVERYONE!!
COME ON YE PARS!
Post Edited (Fri 10 Mar 18:29)
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Topic Originator: Ormiston_Par
Date: Fri 10 Mar 18:34
The stewards on entry were making jokes about everyone having pyrotechnics and didn`t discourage it in the slightest. Problem starts here
Does it, aye?
If only we could figure out why the stewards might be making jokes about people bringing in pyrotechnics in the first place......
The artist formerly known as KGB / Slim Hoolie
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Topic Originator: par_33
Date: Fri 10 Mar 18:43
If we get a fine due to the referee report and anything alike. I’d be questioning if Celtic were disciplined for the League Cup final behaviour, there was legit a rocket launcher within the stadium firing fireworks.
Wonder if that was included in the referees report? I assume not since it was one of the bigot brothers, Police Scotland run scared.
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Fri 10 Mar 18:45
Been coming, some of the behaviour oversteps the mark. These guys undoubtedly contribute massively to the atmosphere they just need to learn where the line is
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Fri 10 Mar 18:48
Quote:
Ormiston_Par, Fri 10 Mar 18:34
The stewards on entry were making jokes about everyone having pyrotechnics and didn`t discourage it in the slightest. Problem starts here
Does it, aye?
If only we could figure out why the stewards might be making jokes about people bringing in pyrotechnics in the first place......
I would be expecting these individuals who are getting paid by the club to take the matter more seriously... if its seen as a joke to them, what example is that setting.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Fri 10 Mar 18:49
Season ticket holders can be identified by names and addresses for any misdemeanours?
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Topic Originator: Ben,D.A
Date: Fri 10 Mar 18:50
What I don`t get is why they were thrown at our own players while celebrating, even players were giving a calm down wave to them.
If the players choose to celebrate at the other stands or other areas of the NW, then maybe the over exuberance of that corner could be evenly spread throughout the ground.
only 11 make the team,the rest can just but dream.
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Topic Originator: Angus_W
Date: Fri 10 Mar 19:02
Club can’t win………..
This was always coming after Tuesday night.
“.........it ain’t over till the Pars score!”
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Topic Originator: Ormiston_Par
Date: Fri 10 Mar 19:12
I would be expecting these individuals who are getting paid by the club to take the matter more seriously... if its seen as a joke to them, what example is that setting.
Okay, let me see if I`m understanding this correctly.
What you`re saying is that if the Stewards didn`t pass comment on the fact that people are sneaking pyrotechnics in to the games, people would be less likely to do so?
What colour is the sky on your planet?
The artist formerly known as KGB / Slim Hoolie
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Fri 10 Mar 19:27
Quote:
Ormiston_Par, Fri 10 Mar 19:12
I would be expecting these individuals who are getting paid by the club to take the matter more seriously... if its seen as a joke to them, what example is that setting.
Okay, let me see if I`m understanding this correctly.
What you`re saying is that if the Stewards didn`t pass comment on the fact that people are sneaking pyrotechnics in to the games, people would be less likely to do so?
What colour is the sky on your planet?
May as well bin the stewards then if we go by your logic. It`s up to the stewards, police, fellow fans, club officials to set an example.
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Topic Originator: Big G Ball
Date: Fri 10 Mar 19:30
So much for those highly paid police carrying our searches…….absolute waste of public services money and the club then take this ridiculous stance…….many other clubs have the same dramas yet deal with it in a far better way……….David cook has over reacted in taking this draconian stance. Just imagine what Celtic fans would do if their green brigade caused this type of club reaction
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Topic Originator: oapar
Date: Fri 10 Mar 19:33
The displays in the NW are always outstanding, and Jason does a wonderful job fundraising and organising them. However if the fans then throw the materials on the pitch, and completely destroy the contents, instead of them being collected/recycled then maybe a rethink is in order. The volunteers had to spend a lot of their time on Thursday picking up all the rubbish generated by the thoughtless fans who used the display materials as missiles. It is such a waste.
The previous poster is blaming the police/stewards rather than the idiots who once again shame our club, and cost us money.
Post Edited (Fri 10 Mar 20:50)
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Topic Originator: Bamba-Daft
Date: Fri 10 Mar 19:33
Quote:
Ben,D.A, Fri 10 Mar 18:50
What I don`t get is why they were thrown at our own players while celebrating, even players were giving a calm down wave to them.
If the players choose to celebrate at the other stands or other areas of the NW, then maybe the over exuberance of that corner could be evenly spread throughout the ground.
The same players that jumped into the crowd at both goals 😂 the club obviously felt like they had to be seen to take action, fair enough. The club have never been fined, despite hundreds of people saying it was imminent and they wont be fined while there is no strict liability.
Post Edited (Fri 10 Mar 19:36)
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 10 Mar 19:41
Quote:
kelty_par, Fri 10 Mar 18:13
As a side note, a club in England are doing exactly that. No coins (kiosks are card only), no vapes or lighters (stadium is smoke free), no phone charging banks etc allowed in the away end. Can`t remember who it is, but presumably dafc123 would be fine with such draconian measures at EEP?
I was at Sunderland v Stoke last Saturday and those were the well advertised rules KP
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Par
Date: Fri 10 Mar 19:44
Welcome St Pauli
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4Ubp04As-A
I think a silent protest by the ones that get in the NW would show what the ground is like without Section NW. The players and manager obviously love the atmosphere created and so do most of the fans that are drawn because of the atmosphere.
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Topic Originator: cfad
Date: Fri 10 Mar 19:48
We need the guys in the NW to reign it in a bit, agreed, but closing the stand to non season ticket holders seems like an overreaction. Not all games will be as passionate and full as the Falkirk game, and we risk alienating some of the young team who, let’s face it, are the only ones who make the atmosphere these days. They are presently Pars fans, let not lose that for the future. That said, we do need to work with them to remove some of the antics.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 10 Mar 19:49
It doesn`t matter what the players "love". Just don`t throw stuff on the pitch. It`s totally unacceptable. Those defending it in any way are as bad as those doing it.
The world really is full of idiots.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: EastEndBoy
Date: Fri 10 Mar 19:49
Quote:
dafc123, Fri 10 Mar 17:36
I have a right to voice my own opinion without the fear of being lambasted like this.
It clearly is cooks fault. It has his name at the bottom. Are you suggesting he is being coerced into this by police Scotland? What a truly damming way to look at our justice system.
DAFC employ security who could find a fudge doughnut in Stephens. Not really the fans fault here at all actually.
`Not the fans fault` is a quite staggeringly awful take. I`ve read this forum for 20 years and I doubt I`ve read a worse one.
...ken?
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 10 Mar 19:49
Quote:
cfad, Fri 10 Mar 19:48
We need the guys in the NW to reign it in a bit, agreed, but closing the stand to non season ticket holders seems like an overreaction. Not all games will be as passionate and full as the Falkirk game, and we risk alienating some of the young team who, let’s face it, are the only ones who make the atmosphere these days. They are presently Pars fans, let not lose that for the future. That said, we do need to work with them to remove some of the antics.
So you disagree with the clubs stance.....what`s your answer then?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: cfad
Date: Fri 10 Mar 20:00
Quote:
da_no_1, Fri 10 Mar 19:49
Quote:
cfad, Fri 10 Mar 19:48
We need the guys in the NW to reign it in a bit, agreed, but closing the stand to non season ticket holders seems like an overreaction. Not all games will be as passionate and full as the Falkirk game, and we risk alienating some of the young team who, let’s face it, are the only ones who make the atmosphere these days. They are presently Pars fans, let not lose that for the future. That said, we do need to work with them to remove some of the antics.
So you disagree with the clubs stance.....what`s your answer then?
Start by properly searching people, then target the individuals who are seen to be throwing things. A sheep dip approach is not the answer in the first instance, as it punishes everyone who is not a season ticket holder. My point remains, we need the exuberant (but reasonably well behaved) members of the young team to be valued and to want to keep coming back
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Topic Originator: AlfonzoBonzo
Date: Fri 10 Mar 20:01
I think it’s fair to say that the club ‘has to be seen’ by the authorities to be ‘taking action’ against it. Didn’t particularly meant get the club entirely wants to do it, but has to be seen to condemn it. While I don’t condone anything, from a purely commercial perspective, would it be the end of the world if we became a bit of a bad boy atmosphere? Would we get a few hundred extra fans that would offset any potential fines that come our way?! Make it an absolute scary fortress for the opposition?
Not a suggestion or belief of course. Just a brain fart scenario
Show us yer.... 
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Topic Originator: dpard
Date: Fri 10 Mar 20:02
Who`d have thought, that chucking stuff on the park, and running onto the park, would end up having consequences?
Really is a shock.......................
Especially as they have never been warned of it previously 🙄🤔
The flame still burns
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Topic Originator: Par
Date: Fri 10 Mar 20:03
Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 10 Mar 19:49
"The world really is full of idiots."
Open your eyes son, the world is not full of idiots, there are a few idiots in the world so don`t blame the entire world for them.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 10 Mar 20:14
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Par, Fri 10 Mar 20:03
Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 10 Mar 19:49
"The world really is full of idiots."
Open your eyes son, the world is not full of idiots, there are a few idiots in the world so don`t blame the entire world for them.
Don`t call me son please
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 10 Mar 20:15
Quote:
cfad, Fri 10 Mar 20:00
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da_no_1, Fri 10 Mar 19:49
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cfad, Fri 10 Mar 19:48
We need the guys in the NW to reign it in a bit, agreed, but closing the stand to non season ticket holders seems like an overreaction. Not all games will be as passionate and full as the Falkirk game, and we risk alienating some of the young team who, let’s face it, are the only ones who make the atmosphere these days. They are presently Pars fans, let not lose that for the future. That said, we do need to work with them to remove some of the antics.
So you disagree with the clubs stance.....what`s your answer then?
Start by properly searching people, then target the individuals who are seen to be throwing things. A sheep dip approach is not the answer in the first instance, as it punishes everyone who is not a season ticket holder. My point remains, we need the exuberant (but reasonably well behaved) members of the young team to be valued and to want to keep coming back
So you think the stewards should be carrying out full body searches on teenagers?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 10 Mar 20:19
Wrong thread.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
Post Edited (Fri 10 Mar 20:23)
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 10 Mar 20:23
Quote:
Par, Fri 10 Mar 19:44
Welcome St Pauli
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4Ubp04As-A
I think a silent protest by the ones that get in the NW would show what the ground is like without Section NW. The players and manager obviously love the atmosphere created and so do most of the fans that are drawn because of the atmosphere.
What atmosphere is created with flares and stuff getting chucked? What a ridiculous take.
Take that stuff out and you’ve got the singing, bouncing, banter and the drum - THAT’S why the players run to the NW.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 10 Mar 20:38
There was also damage in the away end - 40 seats, and toilets were smashed. Falkirk will get the bill for that ~ but yet another example of a minority of fans putting a club into disrepute.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: elvis_lives
Date: Fri 10 Mar 20:45
Quote:
Par, Fri 10 Mar 19:44
Welcome St Pauli
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4Ubp04As-A
I think a silent protest by the ones that get in the NW would show what the ground is like without Section NW. The players and manager obviously love the atmosphere created and so do most of the fans that are drawn because of the atmosphere.
They aren`t getting thrown on the pitch.
They aren`t throwing vapes and coins onto the pitch.
It`s pretty simple, don`t throw things onto the pitch. That`s what gets the club into trouble.
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Fri 10 Mar 20:48
Club are in a no-win situation here and have to take the most pragmatic decision.
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Topic Originator: Livingston Par
Date: Fri 10 Mar 20:50
Wouldn`t be confident they can afford to pay it ( Falkirk).
Genuine lol at the guy saying it`s not the fan`s fault, genuinely hope you are never on jury duty.
Post Edited (Fri 10 Mar 20:53)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 10 Mar 20:58
It`s for one match FFS. If the club did nothing then they`d no doubt end up with a fine or an order to do something worse like shut the whole section.
The St Pauli comparison is interesting. What I see is something that is clearly coordinated like the displays Jason organises. All we saw on Thursday was half a dozen sparklers lobbed onto the pitch that achieved little other than delaying the game.
The NW guys are fantastic but it`s simply a case of asking them to tone it down a bit before the club starts to get real grief from the police and SFA.
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Topic Originator: par58
Date: Fri 10 Mar 21:02
Whatever the rights and wrongs at the end of the day throwing anything onto the pitch is endangering the safety of players, officials, stewards, ball boys/girls. Throwing incendiaries is seriously irresponsible and runs the risk of serious injury to those described above. We are trying to win the league and this is a serious distraction from the main objective of winning games. EEP has never been seen as a dangerous place to visit for visiting fans, intimidating yes, dangerous no. Recent behaviour seriously detracts from our main aim to win the league but also damages our reputation as a welcoming and friendly place to visit, no matter your affiliation, for visiting officials as well as visiting fans, and I sincerely include Falkirk supports in that, otherwise we are no better than other less reputable clubs. Our team, management staff, directors and support staff deserve better.
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Topic Originator: Par
Date: Fri 10 Mar 21:06
I don`t think anyone is condoning things getting thrown on the pitch, or people running on the pitch, but don`t punish the vast majority who do create the atmosphere.
The Club have CCTV and would be able to pick out who threw flares and things that could hurt players also the people who went on the park. Get pictures of them even publish in the papers websites etc and punish these people heavily, this will stop this.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Fri 10 Mar 22:16
I doubt if it’s legal to publish pictures of individuals in the media against their wishes, especially minors.
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Topic Originator: forever black and white
Date: Fri 10 Mar 22:40
Never had a season ticket but stood, sat and supported the pars for over 30 years in the Nw. Never thrown any objects onto the pitch Never had pyro but here we are, because of a few idiots who probably only go once a year or on a big match , I can`t sit in the Nw.
Sorry but the club have once again put a damper on what I feel is a new energy the fans are bringing in the Nw one that`s not been there for a long time.
Ceo , BOD you`ve called this one wrong .
Cctv , police , stewarts are where you need to start not the fans who have supported the club through the good and more recently the very bad times .
Also pyro is fast becoming part of football culture, let`s think out the box and have dialogue with the fans on safe use and don`t stop something that creates atmosphere.
May I also add idiots are idiots, what`s to stop them from throwing things from the Norrie
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 10 Mar 23:19
Is it not the case that the club has to be seen to be doing something about this otherwise the SFA/SPFL will throw the book at them? The statement on COWS has links to the club guidance on Unacceptable Conduct and the Ground Regulations. It`s not something that`s just been dreamed up since Tuesday.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 10 Mar 23:19
I’ve yet to read an explanation as to what kind of atmosphere the flares, smoke bombs, chucking objects at players and encroaching on the pitch add to the match day experience.
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Topic Originator: Livingston Par
Date: Sat 11 Mar 00:06
A lot of good points raised Forever B and W and I really feel for the majority of fans that go there most weeks that don`t have a season ticket. Thankfully for now it is just one game.
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Topic Originator: dover par
Date: Sat 11 Mar 00:11
If they want to behave like wild animals stick them in a cage.
Big net from the floor to the roof running for most of the NW will stop most items reaching the pitch.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sat 11 Mar 00:35
I think the club has been pretty fair to the fans in the North West, and the official statement put out by the North West is fair enough to. The club obviously found themselves under a bit pressure from the SFA so have to be seen to be taking action. Undoubtedly much worse happens at Celtic/ Sevco games but the authorities will still their head in the sand, and prefer to make an example of a club like ours. The atmosphere generated was excellent, but I knew there would be a price to be paid for some people that overstepped the mark.
I think the club should ask the players to stop celebrating goals in front of this area, head to the family section instead, this might stop folk encroaching on the pitch.
In fact, to follow on from that poster earlier. It`s not the fans fault for coming on to the pitch, it`s the players for celebrating in front of the North West ;)
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Topic Originator: Socks
Date: Sat 11 Mar 00:55
I`m just so scunnered that it`s come to this. There have been quite a few things chucked at the linesman and opposing players from that section over the last few years, and even something chucked towards one of our own players as he went to take a corner last season.
I love the NW, specifically because it`s close to the pitch, but I suppose that`s also part of the attraction for fannyish behaviour. I really don`t know where this goes, because attempting to reason is unlikely to get very far so does it just continue until someone decides to close the whole stand again? In 5 years time, the folk currently causing the problems probably won`t care because most of them will no longer be regulars by then. But I probably will, as will the hundreds of others who have been NW regulars since before most of that group were born.
I have a season ticket so it won`t immediately affect me, but I feel bad for those who do not and who won`t be able to get in their normal spot next week. And can we be clear that this is not an issue in the whole of the NW, but is specifically down in that corner. And yes, I know it`s not everyone down there.
If this goes where I fear and a complete closure, I will be seriously peed off. Last time it happened 10 years ago was an utterly miserable experience in the main stand, to the point where I wasn`t even sure I wanted to keep going. Please let`s not risk it coming to that.
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Topic Originator: back oh the net
Date: Sat 11 Mar 06:16
Nah no having that it’s either open to everyone or shut to everyone the pyro vapes and coins getting chucked get that stopped pronto as for the scrunched up bits of paper wtf did you think was going to happen?
Come on ye pars ⚽️
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 11 Mar 06:55
Quote:
dafc123, Fri 10 Mar 17:36
I have a right to voice my own opinion without the fear of being lambasted like this.
It clearly is cooks fault. It has his name at the bottom. Are you suggesting he is being coerced into this by police Scotland? What a truly damming way to look at our justice system.
DAFC employ security who could find a fudge doughnut in Stephens. Not really the fans fault here at all actually.
I`m not sure how its cooks fault fans can`t behave at a football game.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Sat 11 Mar 07:37
I am very disappointed for myself. I had just started taking my Grandson to games, sitting in the North West. A place I have been going since the old stadium days and I am now locked out.
Disappointed for him as he loves the atmosphere created by the young lads and has embraced going to Pars games over his Celtic family.
Disappointed as I will need to find new digs in the stadium for the first time ever (Apart from the Muirton Park debacle)
Disappointed that the over exuberance of some of our young lads spilled over to menace.
I knew the sanctions would come when watching the scenes on Tuesday as the paper turned to other objects then vandalism.
As a previous poster said it is only one game so I can suck it up, but the stain remains with the pyro burns on the grass as a reminder to those individuals who created this disappointment.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 11 Mar 07:48
It`s one match. Season tickets only because the club have the details of season tickets. What did the numpties throwing coins, vapes and pyros think would happen?
I can`t understand how there`s any debate on this. Let`s just hope people acknowledge getting carried away and it`s nipped in the bud.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Sat 11 Mar 08:13
Problem is Jake the ramifications are unlikely to only be one match. The way other people perceive the young lads (correctly or incorrectly) is different. Personally I love their enthusiasm and as you say we hope this is nipped in the bud, we take our pill, and move on. But perception stays long in the memory of people. This will potentially not be the only ramification as this can change future handling of high risk matches. It only takes one event to change a perception.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sat 11 Mar 08:24
I watch quite a few EPL games and I am not aware of flares being activated inside the grounds, though outside is a different case.
Is it only a Scottish problem and only a problem in England when European ties come round?
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Topic Originator: steaua
Date: Sat 11 Mar 08:32
I know the club have to sort the situation, however, what about the supporters who cannot afford to buy a season ticket, and have sat in that stand for many years, are they being penalised for something they played no part in.
Post Edited (Sat 11 Mar 08:32)
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Topic Originator: brian
Date: Sat 11 Mar 08:39
steaua, that is the fault of the people who throw these objects. they are (ir)responsible
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 11 Mar 08:56
Quote:
steaua, Sat 11 Mar 08:32
I know the club have to sort the situation, however, what about the supporters who cannot afford to buy a season ticket, and have sat in that stand for many years, are they being penalised for something they played no part in.
They can still sit in the Norrie or Main stands. I know it`s not their usual spot but I`m imagining it`s season ticket holders only as the club have their names and addresses so if they were to cause bother they can be easily identified.
What we don`t want is a situation like Rangers fans at Hibs where each fan got patted down before being allowed in, or worse where the club is pressured to close the stand by the police.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sat 11 Mar 09:59
Have Dudee not been doing searches for a few years now?
Seem to remember it being mentioned on here.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 11 Mar 10:37
Maybe that`s what people would prefer then? To me there are two options:
1. Don`t bring flares to a game.
2. Bring flares to a game but get searched and have them taken off you and thrown in a police van for having what would be considered a weapon in your possession.
1. Relies on trust so not following that basic concept would result in 2.
In both cases there are no flares.
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Topic Originator: Biggles
Date: Sat 11 Mar 10:47
Jake, the flares are an issue aside - with its own discussion on rights and wrongs.
The main issue here as I see it, are items being thrown at players, officials and onto the pitch. That isn`t exuberant behaviour, getting carried away or supporting the team. That is simply unacceptable behaviour.
It does absolutely nothing positive for the atmosphere, the match day experience or the team.
Will he save it? Save it??? He never bloody saw it! Like a bullet!
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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1
Date: Sat 11 Mar 10:56
I do have sympathy for people who didn`t do anything wrong but don`t see what else the club could have done here
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Sat 11 Mar 11:42
This opinion will probably be unpopular here: I think the pyro is cool and adds to the atmosphere. I’ve never taken any in myself but I enjoy it when others do. Nobody was hurt at eep on Tuesday, nobody is maimed or dead, some guys threw balled up paper and set off a few flares. Please let’s keep that in perspective and cease the bed wetting.
I understand the league and the police will probably be a bit sissy about this and that’s why the club has had to be seen to do something, even knowing it will cost them a few quid in missed ticket sales for the Edinburgh game. Young guys like to be a bit rowdy at the football, it’s attractive to them and part of the experience. It was no different in the days when we had terracing, the club has just started to regain that element after years of being overly sanitised and let’s be honest absolutely flat. The atmosphere was pretty dire at east end for the majority of the last 20 years and it’s only picked up in the last couple thanks to these young lads who everyone here seems so eager to throw under the bus for being a bit boisterous. Stop the pearl clutching.
Post Edited (Sat 11 Mar 11:51)
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Topic Originator: EastEndTales
Date: Sat 11 Mar 11:46
Let`s just put one of the false assumptions to bed here.
Nobody. Absolutely nobody is having a go at these lads for creating an atmosphere. It`s brilliant.
Throwing stuff on the park is not atmosphere and gives the polis an opportunity to either slap the CLUB with fines, sanctions or otherwise.
These lads are not being targeted as a group. It`s the individuals that are risking fines etc to the club that are on the receiving end of these criticisms.
I don`t know how clearer to make it.
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Sat 11 Mar 12:18
I was surprised the game was allowed to go on with all that stuff getting chucked on the pitch.
One of their players fluffed a corner kick, he must`ve been bricking it, having to stand so close to that corner. As someone else posted - the players don`t know what`s gonna be thrown next.
Throwing stuff is just weans havin`a chug - I`m sure the NW`s hard men could sort it out. 👍
Post Edited (Sat 11 Mar 12:44)
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Topic Originator: Par
Date: Sat 11 Mar 13:35
Shutting the stand to non season ticket holders is a bit much. We will have loads of fans who behaved themselves but got hooked by the atmosphere so would attend again, even although they had not been for a while but will not go if the NW is not an option.
Dialogue between Section NW and the board and stewards is the answer, NW can then appoint their own stewards within their section to control the behaviour.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Sat 11 Mar 14:33
This is one we should just take on the chin to be honest.
The club would have been pressured by the police to do something otherwise, the club would face a hefty fine.
Let`s be honest, these kind of games with a full house happen very rarely, the last being the Rovers match 10 years or so ago.
I sit in the NW and love the atmosphere.
I`ll be one of them missing out the next match there but I`ll take it.
Look at this as a slap on the wrist and be thankful the punishment wasn`t more severe.
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Topic Originator: Parfect69
Date: Sat 11 Mar 14:47
Totally support the club in this. Great atmosphere but throwing stuff is just nuts. I have heard at a few meetings now that they do self steward. Not so sure it works.
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Topic Originator: back oh the net
Date: Sat 11 Mar 16:51
Quote:
EastEndTales, Sat 11 Mar 09:21
You go to a top flight game in Germany or Switzerland and everyone gets checked.
Aye and folk still get in with the stuff
Come on ye pars ⚽️
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Topic Originator: SusieQ
Date: Sat 11 Mar 17:40
First of all - what other fans do / get away with is utterly irrelevant and a pathetic excuse. As is blaming the club and/or the stewards.
Absolutely impossible to search everyone and they wouldn`t need to if no one brought in banned items.
Perhaps the difference in the other examples I`ve seen mentioned over the last few days is that they`re not being chucked onto the pitch as part of the displays.
No idea if that`s actually the case but its possible. Have seen many pyros in the away end (usually) at Hampden, but never once seen anything on the pitch or running track, for example.
The fact that 2 of these things held up the game for a good 5 or 6 minutes meant there would be no other outcome than it being mentioned in the ref`s match report.
We might have got away with only paper being thrown but flares & lighters - no chance!
COME ON YE PARS!
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Topic Originator: back oh the net
Date: Sat 11 Mar 18:20
With respect you haven’t seen many pyro displays at hampden then as soon the flairs are lit and waved around for a wee bit then they get launched onto the track at the back of the goals it happens every single time either of the old firm play at hampden which has been pretty much every cup semi final for the last few seasons to say nothing ever gets chucked onto the running track makes those animals sound like angels
Come on ye pars ⚽️
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Topic Originator: SusieQ
Date: Sat 11 Mar 18:26
I was talking about Scotland games not neanderthals at cup finals!
Not interested in either bigot brother so tend not to watch their games.
Point remains tho - just because they do it doesn`t mean we should - absolutely pathetic reasoning.
COME ON YE PARS!
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 11 Mar 19:08
Who honestly cares what other clubs fans do?
Whataboutery at its finest, typical of the politics forum right enough but not here?
Just stop throwing **** on the park. You`d have to be pretty stupid to justify it in any way...
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Sat 11 Mar 19:17
Here’s a neutral’s perspective of it, he runs a popular YouTube football channel. He thought the atmosphere and the pyro was brilliant
https://youtu.be/8iPK_jIrVSw
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sat 11 Mar 19:18
I think its pretty sad that we are seeing this crazy issue happening at our ground .
I support the club and BOD in their decision as they have to be seen to be doing something .
What other alternative do they have .
What i dont understand is the area is still open to season tkt holders .
How do we know it wasnt season tkt holders throwing the items onto the park and also going onto the park
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Topic Originator: neilholland999
Date: Sat 11 Mar 19:28
Probably because the season ticket holders who have sat in that section for countless other games have not thrown pyrotechnics and other stuff on the pitch...?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 11 Mar 20:07
Quote:
Never10yairds, Sat 11 Mar 19:17
Here’s a neutral’s perspective of it, he runs a popular YouTube football channel. He thought the atmosphere and the pyro was brilliant
Click here
Quoting to make the link clicky.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sat 11 Mar 20:42
Topic Originator: Never10yairds like
Date: Sat 11 Mar 19:17
Here’s a neutral’s perspective of it, he runs a popular YouTube football channel. He thought the atmosphere and the pyro was brilliant
That does not make it right tho N10Y I watched the whole video probably around 25 mins .. and he actually joked that he hoped he was not searched and find his pyro .. the guy is a chancer .. just saying
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Sun 12 Mar 08:11
Quote:
Never10yairds, Sat 11 Mar 19:17
Here’s a neutral’s perspective of it, he runs a popular YouTube football channel. He thought the atmosphere and the pyro was brilliant
https://youtu.be/8iPK_jIrVSw
You will have neutrals attend an Old Firm match and say the atmosphere and songs were brilliant - still doesn’t make what goes on right
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 12 Mar 09:23
Quote:
Never10yairds, Sat 11 Mar 19:17
Here’s a neutral’s perspective of it, he runs a popular YouTube football channel. He thought the atmosphere and the pyro was brilliant
https://youtu.be/8iPK_jIrVSw
Some wee ned thinks the "pyro" was brilliant! I'm so happy
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Post Edited (Sun 12 Mar 09:25)
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Topic Originator: Malcolm Canmore
Date: Sun 12 Mar 18:54
Never10yairds, Sat 11 Mar 19:17
Here’s a neutral’s perspective of it, he runs a popular YouTube football channel. He thought the atmosphere and the pyro was brilliant
I guess that none of his kids or grandkids is a ball attendant in that area.
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Topic Originator: JimDAFC
Date: Mon 13 Mar 21:06
Would there be any benefit or point in opening the north east terracing?
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Tue 14 Mar 09:20
Can you get tickets in person / over the counter these days for the NW or is it all done online?
Not sure if there is CCTV in the NW but assuming there is then this may be the clubs bargaining chip to appease the authorities.....
Instead of a total shutdown of the NW they could offer this as a solution on the basis that, if there is further trouble, the people in question would be identifiable by their seat and their details would held on record from their season books.
Obviously not that simple in practise but just a theory....
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Tue 14 Mar 12:59
Except there`s about three people per seat in there.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 14 Mar 15:03
I doubt there`s CCTV or budget the club can allocate for it given the speaker system in EEP has been iffy for some time.
The lads will be back at the next game. This is just to appease the authorities and avoid a fine.
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Topic Originator: Par
Date: Sat 18 Mar 18:14
Atmosphere very flat today, Team very flat today.
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Topic Originator: forever black and white
Date: Sat 18 Mar 21:57
Atmosphere was flat aswell as the team , don`t know if the two were connected but pretty sure a full Nw helps the players more than a half full one . Hardy heard the drum today . Maybe everyone should take note . Idiots and ceo
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Sat 18 Mar 22:38
Clearly the tremendous young team that drive the atmosphere are not season ticket holders - who in the must try harder
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Topic Originator: brian
Date: Sat 18 Mar 23:40
Blame the idiots
Not the CEO. !!
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