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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1
Date: Sat 11 Mar 10:03
This plan needs to be voted down it is scandalous
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Topic Originator: Livingston Par
Date: Sat 11 Mar 10:06
Totally Chris get it to f***
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 11 Mar 10:42
Why don`t these B teams simply form their own little league to themselves?
If they want to do anything around restructuring the Scottish leagues it should be to get consolidate into two larger leagues so we lose all these repetitive games. They won`t though because that would deny the great unwashed of two Glasgow derby matches and also the opportunity to smash up Glasgow and partake in a bit of domestic violence.
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Topic Originator: Livingston Par
Date: Sat 11 Mar 10:47
That would be way too sensible Jake
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Topic Originator: Football_Par
Date: Sat 11 Mar 10:50
Why don`t these B teams simply form their own little league to themselves?
If they want to do anything around restructuring the Scottish leagues it should be to get consolidate into two larger leagues so we lose all these repetitive games. They won`t though because that would deny the great unwashed of two Glasgow derby matches and also the opportunity to smash up Glasgow and partake in a bit of domestic violence.
1) because they want them to play against men
2) I really dont understand why they dont make the leagues under the prem, 10 team leagues is a joke.
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Topic Originator: RossF
Date: Sat 11 Mar 10:52
What they should be doing is making it easier for lowland and highland league teams to get into league two. It`s an utter disgrace that a team wins their league and still has to play a playoff before playing ANOTHER one against the team that finished bottom of league two. The bottom team should be relegated straight away! I would love to see league two extended to 18/20 teams and have four teams relegated with two highland and two lowland teams coming up. It would give a lot of ambitious clubs in lower divisions a chance to get somewhere. Personally, I`d love to see Clydebank get back into the leagues after what they`ve went though.
This current system effectively relegates teams below league two down a tier.
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Topic Originator: par58
Date: Sat 11 Mar 10:57
Quote:
jake89, Sat 11 Mar 10:42
Why don`t these B teams simply form their own little league to themselves?
If they want to do anything around restructuring the Scottish leagues it should be to get consolidate into two larger leagues so we lose all these repetitive games. They won`t though because that would deny the great unwashed of two Glasgow derby matches and also the opportunity to smash up Glasgow and partake in a bit of domestic violence.
I totally agree with this message. For far too long now Scottish football has been seen to be there to prop up the old form and ensure they play four times a year. The promotion and relegation system in Scotland is a laughing stock and bears no resemblance at all to fair play. No other country in the world would put up with what is blatantly unfair and unsporting to the extreme. I hear the claim that Scottish football can’t survive without the old firm, utter nonsense, no better evidence than two league one teams drawing 9530 for a midweek league game. Quite rightly we have been penalised for our fans bad behaviour on Tuesday evening, however such behaviour is the norm at old firm matches where a complete blind eye is taken, and any punishments are a token.
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Sat 11 Mar 11:23
Absolutely Awful. Hope it gets booted TAE FCK
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Topic Originator: DulochConvert
Date: Sat 11 Mar 11:52
This is being proposed for one reason to give the old firm a foothold in the pyramid if they decide to go and join a European/ Atlantic league.
Their hand has been forced because the Lowland League is due to meet on Monday to vote if the 3 B teams are to be accommodated next season. That vote is likely to go against them as it was a tie last year but the league secretary had the casting vote, however teams have since changed and a No is predicted.
The proposal is being created in a very underhand way, with the new league not being part of the SPL, to avoid a vote by the 42 which would fail, the who thing stinks.
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Topic Originator: Parfect69
Date: Sat 11 Mar 14:48
^^spot on
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 12 Mar 09:59
Whoever decided this proposal was worth putting to the clubs for consideration should be sacked on the spot.
The two big Glasgow clubs are far too dominant in Scottish football - look at the points gap between 2nd and 3rd in the top flight. Any proposal they come up with will only serve to make them even stronger and more dominant, making the remaining clubs weaker and even less competitive.
I hope they vote it into the nearest bin.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sun 12 Mar 11:02
Celtic could forego every penny that they earn in prize money from the SPFL and still make a substantial profit every year. Rangers probably less so, but that is down to a wasteful fiscal culture that has existed for decades.
If they wish to pursue this proposal, then it has to be at a cost...
So, in exchange for its acceptance, they must sacrifice their prize money so it can be distributed around all four Scottish leagues. Alternatively, they must revert to the old split gate revenue system.
Naturally, The Old Firm would laugh those suggestions out of court. Precisely, the response that all clubs in Scotland should give to their B team proposal.
:)
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sun 12 Mar 11:09
"I hear the claim that Scottish football can’t survive without the old firm, utter nonsense, no better evidence than two league one teams drawing 9530 for a midweek league game."
As welcome as it was that represents an exceptional one off attendance.
The depressing sad truth is that most Celtic and Rangers single home game league attendances are generally larger than the total of all the other SPL that weekend.
They are the big box office deal, that`s the stark reality.
If both are knocked out of the cup before the final, unlikely as that is - Hampden would be half empty on 3rd June.
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Topic Originator: JoshPars4life
Date: Sun 12 Mar 11:36
I`d massively disagree that hampden would be half empty. Most `smaller` teams bring a huge support to a cup final even when they know they`ll almost inevitably be beaten by whichever of the ugly sisters happens to be in. With two teams that haven`t won a trophy in a long time having a real shot I think fans would come out in their 10s of thousands.
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Topic Originator: Murphy
Date: Sun 12 Mar 11:50
So imagine the scenario of Celtic B and Rangers B ending up in the Premier League creaming even more revenue out of the SPFL which make it even harder for the smaller clubs.
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Topic Originator: EastEndTales
Date: Sun 12 Mar 12:13
One of the growing problems in Scottish football is our media focusing more and more on two clubs.
Back in the 90s more paper space was given to the other clubs, more radio time etc.
Now? Less so. Far less. One of the reasons I gave up tuning into Sportsound was the increasing negativity our game was talked about.
Our game is better than most think, it`s exciting and in the lower leagues there are some fantastic players and matches.
When was the last time a lower league game was given plenty chat on Sportsound, anyone know? Our game v Falkirk was the match of the week but I bet hardly any time was given to it.
We even used to have Football First on STV, as crap a presentation as it was.
Ep. 7 of East End Tales is out now with Callum Morris! Match in focus: Stenhousemuir 4-5 Pars
https://www.buzzsprout.com/1972630/12386572
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sun 12 Mar 12:47
"I`d massively disagree that hampden would be half empty."
OK, an exaggeration, granted.
The point (badly made) is that the abscence of either of the big two has a massive effect on attendances.
At the `61 final v Celtic the Pars played before nearly 120,000, seven years later it was half that v Hearts.
Ground capacity reduction obviously constrains crowd sizes since the stadium was redeveloped of course.
Most likely academic - the gruesome twosome will probably contest the final, unless drawn in the semis.
I don`t subscribe to conspiracy theories generally - but the times they`ve avoided each other at that stage defies the laws of arithmetic probability, allegedly !!!
Post Edited (Sun 12 Mar 12:57)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 12 Mar 12:53
Smaller crowds maybe, but more chance of getting to the final.
The gap between the OF and the rest has been growing recently and the incidence of `shock` results tediously infrequent.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sun 12 Mar 13:38
Surely it`s the favourable nature of the draw that allows smaller clubs a route to the final, rather than crowd sizes ?
Incidentally I bet ICT are happy that Queen`s Park made an administrative erse of player eligibility !!!
Post Edited (Sun 12 Mar 13:44)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 12 Mar 13:50
I thought we were considering the prospect of Scottish football without the OF rather than a Cup Final without them?
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sun 12 Mar 19:24
If they weren’t involved then no final either.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 12 Mar 20:05
^^^
???
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sun 12 Mar 20:37
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 12 Mar 20:05
^^^
???
If they depart Scottish football they can’t contest a cup match.
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Sun 12 Mar 21:07
There seems to be a school of thought that for Scottish Football to improve (in whatever ill-defined way) concessions have to be made to Celtic and Rangers.
I rather suspect that they are the problem, not the solution.
Back in the 40s Reserve sides were allowed into the "C" division. That experiment failed. Although things have changed, it is not clear that conditions for success are any more propitious. If anything, the introduction of the pyramid may mean that there is less need for such proposed gerrymandering.
Unless of course this is a ridiculous idea being deliberately proposed so that a slightly more palatable alternative gains favour instead?
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Sun 12 Mar 21:27
This suggested change is a joke.
Say Rangers and Celtic leave to play in another league (leaving their B teams behind to hold the door open for them), if they come back they surely couldn`t claim all the previous titles/cup wins?
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Mon 13 Mar 03:51
Without wishing to blow my own trumpet (well, not too much), I had a Letter to the Editor published in the Scottish edition of The Sunday Times in 2000 forecasting this exact scenario.
At the time, there was much huffing and puffing from the Old Firm about going to the English Premier League or to a breakaway European league. Everyone was asking, could the Old Firm afford to abandon the Scottish game?
In the letter, I suggested that the Old Firm would seek to adopt a model that existed in several other countries, whereby they would field B teams in the lower domestic leagues, with the aim of them ultimately replacing the A teams when they joined the "superior" English or European league. At that stage, any promotion restrictions on the B sides would be withdrawn.
Naturally, this would maximise their revenue, so their fans could watch both versions of their team in action, either live or on the telly. They could multiply marketing revenue from sales of strips and memorabilia, and ensure that their stadiums could be filled every week.
A couple of decades on, and it has not yet fully come to pass, but it sure looks a step closer to reality as the Old Firm, thread-by-thread, strip away any domestic
resistance, and win key concessions that secure another essential building block towards this ultimate goal.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Mon 13 Mar 11:05
Would this not actually stifle young players development?
Wouldn`t it stop players being loaned out to 1st,2nd & 3rd division clubs, something that we have benefited from and still do.
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