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Topic Originator: dover par
Date: Thu 16 Mar 15:09
He would say that considering the size of the Livingston support.
"Pressure is something you feel when you don't know what the hell you're doing."
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Topic Originator: General Zod
Date: Thu 16 Mar 15:13
Sounds like something that the manager of a small club would say.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 16 Mar 15:16
Not sure who`s arguing with? No-one from Dunfermline or Falkirk are saying we deserve to be anywhere other than where we currently are.
And I`m not having anyone representing Livingston preaching about "sporting integrity" either.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: elvis_lives
Date: Thu 16 Mar 15:36
Don`t see too much of a dig at anyone there. What I do see is Martindale conflating size of club with position in the league.
We deserve to be where we are and Livingston deserve to be where they are due to performances on the pitch.
That crowd of 9.5k really showed how p*** poorly managed the Pars and Falkirk have been over the last few years to get ourselves into that situation.
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Topic Originator: Skid Chicane
Date: Thu 16 Mar 15:39
I don`t think he`s necessarily having a go at us or Falkirk, rather defending the right to be in the top flight based on merit. He does confuse that position by appearing to defend broadcasting money based on 4 old firm games a season. My own view is you open up the top flight to more teams, take the hit around tv money and adjust to the right revenue level.
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Topic Originator: Alf
Date: Thu 16 Mar 16:37
He`s might be taking something
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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1
Date: Thu 16 Mar 16:51
I pretty much agree with everything that Martindale said
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Topic Originator: RossF
Date: Thu 16 Mar 16:58
Can see where he`s coming from but does that mean Rangers weren`t a big club when they were in the lower leagues? Were Gretna a big club at one point? I would say Livingston are a better run club but are no where near as big. They would never get the fan base we`d get due to their location.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 16 Mar 17:14
I have no problem with clubs like Livi and Hamilton being in the Premiership on merit. The disappointing thing is that, for all the years they have been there, they have not grown their fanbase. I suspect the same would be true of Queen`s Park if they got promoted.
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Topic Originator: SusieQ
Date: Thu 16 Mar 17:30
I don`t think size of crowd is relative to league position tbh.
I`m not sure how I measure the size of a team personally but definitely have no issues about where any club is - promotions & relegations are fair enough (except for 1 covid season) so no club can really complain about where they currently sit.
Rangers, Hearts, Hibs & Dundee United have all been in the Championship in recent seasons. Just because the likes of Ross County, Hamilton, Livvy were in the Premiership can`t possibly mean they are bigger than those teams (with no disrespect intended).
Our history & crowd are bigger than some Premiership clubs but it`s harder to gauge against the likes of St Johnstone for example who have smaller crowds but have won a couple of trophies recently.
Always an interesting conversation, but there`s only 2 "big" teams unfortunately - the rest of us can be as good or bad as the others on any given day / season.
PS - plus there's only really 1 "Wee Team" šš¤£
COME ON YE PARS!
Post Edited (Thu 16 Mar 17:36)
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Topic Originator: Adundeemonkey
Date: Thu 16 Mar 18:45
Martindale is a tube. We (and the Scum to a lesser extent) are a bigger club than Livi. But they are a better club at this moment in time and thus deserve to be in the prem.
To say we are not a bigger team is just silly.
Its tuff being a Par but we love it!
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Topic Originator: jock-par
Date: Thu 16 Mar 19:08
No problem with Livingston etc being in the top league. However if he wants true sporting integrity, then money needs more fairly distributed. He admitted livi need tv money to survive, which is something that once you are out of the premier league massively diminishes. So for the ābigger clubsā to get back after a few years of underperforming takes years
We are Dunfermline, we're on our way back!
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 16 Mar 19:26
Seems like wee man syndrome to some extent.
Livi have done well, as have Queens Park. However, they could win the Champions League and will still be wee teams if the best they can muster is a few thousand in the stadium.
To me the size of the club has a lot to do with the size of the stadium, the facilities they have AND the league they are in. We have the credentials of a decent sized club but obviously sit in the third tier.
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Topic Originator: Stanza
Date: Thu 16 Mar 19:48
I can`t take exception to anything Martindale said, it all seemed perfectly reasonable. The number of fans who go to watch a club every week is just that - a number. Only what is done on the pitch should determine a club`s position in the league structure.
And I may be the exception, but I can`t really understand the obsession with claiming that one`s own club is "bigger" than any other club. To me it all smacks of the playground.
Each club is unique, with its own history, fanbase, achievements and current status to celebrate. At times a club might be in the Premiership or in League Two, but it`s still the same club (OK, I can think of one exception to that rule ...).
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Thu 16 Mar 20:14
^
Pretty much sums it up.
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Topic Originator: DunPar
Date: Thu 16 Mar 20:50
Interestingly weāre currently 23rd placed in Scottish league according to success on the park but weāre in 11th place in the average attendance leagueā¦ā¦..higher gates than two clubs that have had rangers, Celtic, Hearts, Hibs visitā¦ā¦..
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Thu 16 Mar 21:18
Crowd sizes donāt determine anything but if it wasnāt for the old firm filling our ground then weād be nowhere near here. What a Tw*t
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Fri 17 Mar 02:35
Its the age old debate. Does size matter?
Ive always been told not to worry it`s quality that counts.
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Topic Originator: Pars11
Date: Fri 17 Mar 08:25
Spells it out but IMHO he should not be anywhere near a prominent position in football. Misery brought to the masses leading to a serious crime conviction coupled with the taxman agreement he wangled tells the truth of all that matters.
Bluebell Polka
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