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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 3 May 07:14
The stats for our first season under Alan Johnston and this season are very similar.
Season 2015/16; P36 W24 D7 L5 GF83 GA30 PTS 79.
Season 2022/23; P35 W22 D12 L1 GF61 GA21 PTS 78.
With one game to go, we could match or beat our points total, but we`ve noticeably lost fewer games and drawn more. We`ve also been involved in games with fewer goals (31 before Alloa.)
How do you rate these seasons in terms of quality of football, excitement and entertainment?
Oops! I had as down as having won 33 games this season. 😃
Another edit - 3rd time lucky? 22 wins not 23 - hopefully after Saturday.
Post Edited (Wed 03 May 11:18)
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Topic Originator: elvis_lives
Date: Wed 3 May 07:49
We played with more attacking flair that season but it was an easier league.
Similar that the fans really loved a few of the players but this time two of them are actually pars fans which makes it a bit more special.
The number of clean sheets and late goals this season speaks volumes of about the unity and desire of the players.
It`s not done yet though, if we can get past the Alloa game just losing one game will see them live in pars folklore.
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Topic Originator: vasco
Date: Wed 3 May 07:53
Faisal scored a lot of goals in some easy wins in 15/16. The standard of opposition has improved since then and teams visiting EEP have tended to sit in and have often been well organised defensively.
I think McPake has done a better job than Johnson with getting the players to play for the jersey.
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Topic Originator: Football_Par
Date: Wed 3 May 08:13
The league is a lot harder this time around
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Wed 3 May 08:21
Quote:
GG Riva, Wed 3 May 07:14
The stats for our first season under Alan Johnston and this season are very similar.
Season 2015/16; P36 W24 D7 L5 GF83 GA30 PTS 79.
Season 2022/23; P35 W23 D12 L1 GF61 GA21 PTS 78.
With one game to go, we could match or beat our points total, but we`ve noticeably lost fewer games and drawn more. We`ve also been involved in games with fewer goals (31 before Alloa.)
How do you rate these seasons in terms of quality of football, excitement and entertainment?
Oops! I had as down as having won 33 games this season. 😃
WD&L already at up to 36 for this year. Should W be 22? With 12 draws that would add up.
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Topic Originator: 1985Par
Date: Wed 3 May 09:32
"How do you rate these seasons in terms of quality of football, excitement and entertainment?"
About the same ie both were very good. Will never forget the impact Faissel had that year and also enjoyed watching Ryan Williamson ( whatever happened to him ?) rampaging down the wing. Cardle and Falkingham also.
Johnston went on to take us to 5th, then 4th in the championship. If the next 2 seasons panned out in a similar way would this be considered a success under McPake?
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Topic Originator: par-91
Date: Wed 3 May 09:45
I think that the overall league has more quality than it did 7 years ago. Part time teams are better than they were. We’ve also just played a very different style of football.
In terms of entertainment value, it’s a tough one. It was nice blowing teams away quite a few times in 2015/16. But I think I left the ground happier after our late wins this season. Late winners v Alloa, Montrose, Edinburgh and Clyde at home, the 4-3 game against Airdrie and the hard fought wins, where we hold on at the end all meant that I was leaving the ground buzzing for the next game. This isn’t always the case in one-sided games. It may not be what some consider entertainment, but I’ve enjoyed this season.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 3 May 11:21
"WD&L already at up to 36 for this year. Should W be 22? With 12 draws that would add up."
Cheers parsfan - sorted now. You wouldn`t guess I passed H Maths. 😃
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: bannerpar
Date: Wed 3 May 11:47
Thinking back there were a few Pars stalwarts in that season. I can think of Sean Murdoch, Josh Falkingham, Andy Geggan, Michael Moffat, Faissal and Joe Cardle. A few others like Williamson, Martin, Talbot, McCabe and Byrne. A few of them would have got into the current team. I can`t remember having any players on loan back then.
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Topic Originator: parathletic
Date: Wed 3 May 11:50
Looking back at 2015/16 and 2 of the teams in the division are no longer in the leagues and another 4 are now in League 2 with the possibility of Albion Rovers going down from there this season too.It shows that the pyramid system has strengthened the lower divisions imo.
Post Edited (Wed 03 May 11:53)
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Wed 3 May 11:54
I definitely think the league is stronger this season, but that`s based only on what I`ve seen in our games. Just about every side has looked organised, disciplined and difficult to break down. Despite our league position, I`ve never turned up at a game thinking it was a certain 3 points.
For example, Clyde have looked pretty well drilled every time I`ve seen them this season and for a side marooned in 8th place in the 3rd tier, Kelty have looked very solid - which also translated into their games against Falkirk.
The caveat is that it looks like there are actually more sides who will concede over 50 goals this season compared to 2015/16. It could therefore be more down to the way the Pars have played and how teams have set up (especially at EEP).
The other explanation could be that Airdrie have caused a fair amount of chaos both in an attacking and defensive manner, which may have skewed the stats a bit.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: Socks
Date: Wed 3 May 12:25
I`m not convinced it`s that much stronger this year. People remember the big wins early in 2015/16 but from November onwards it was mainly tight wins and draws, not much different to this year. There were two big home wins in a row at one point, which maybe skews it a bit.
This year, everyone apart from Peterhead has looked decent enough against us at some point, but I remember similar back then as well. Albion Rovers frustrated us in a midweek game (we eventually scored then gave away an equaliser immediately) and also in a draw at Cliftonhill, Brechin (near the bottom) were really good the day we won the league and were very unlucky not to get a point, Cowden made our manager`s wide open system look quite ridiculous in a 0-0 draw at Central Park. That`s just a few - there are plenty other games when teams outside Ayr and Peterhead did OK against us that year.
I think the main difference is that back then we had a striker consistently scoring a lot of goals and a partner (Moffat) who he worked well with, while this year we haven`t really had a goalscorer until Craig Wighton`s recent run. Allan Johnston did well to lift the team to be capable of that high-scoring start to the season after a dismal year before but I was never that impressed with him as a manager. I think McPake has had a harder job and has done well over the season. Although he`s frustrated me immensely at times (especially first halves at home with that slow passing stuff), overall he`s done well and I think his contribution this year has been more significant than Johnston`s was the last time.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 3 May 13:31
Comparing teams from different seasons is hard enough, far less comparing leagues!
If you look at the statistics the average goals per game was 2.99 in 2015/16 and it`s 2.94 in 2022/23 and unlikely to change much with only 5 games remaining.
In 2015/16 there were 37 drawn games and so far there have been 42 drawn games in 2022/23.
Both these stats would suggest it`s been a slightly tighter league this season but, on the contrary, one significant difference is that this season the two bottom sides have been badly isolated from the rest of the league, only winning 7 games between them compared with 19 games won by Cowden and Forfar in 2015/16.
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Topic Originator: theparsman1885
Date: Wed 3 May 13:42
Bannerpar, in terms of loan players - how could you forget Brad McKay? 😉
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Topic Originator: bannerpar
Date: Wed 3 May 16:32
Well remembered. I had forgotten that was the season we had the benefit of Brad`s skills.
I was thinking what would be my team from the two seasons and have gone for:
Murdoch
Comrie, Benedictus, Martin, Edwards
Falkingham, Geggan
Todd, Moffat, Cardle
Faissal
We maybe have a better team now but I think there were better individual players in 2016.
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Topic Originator: AlterPar
Date: Wed 3 May 17:13
After Williamsons horror injury at Forfar, he was never the same unfortunately. He got back playing but I noticed a huge difference.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Wed 3 May 17:49
Quote:
AlterPar, Wed 3 May 17:13
After Williamsons horror injury at Forfar, he was never the same unfortunately. He got back playing but I noticed a huge difference.
I agree with that, before his injury he was bombing forward, could have been great in the wing back position. Although his final ball was often not the best, I reckon with the right coaching he could have developed into a good Scottish Premiership level player.
Unfortunately, he never looked the same after that horror injury
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Topic Originator: DJAS
Date: Wed 3 May 17:57
Wanted Ryan to go on and achieve great things in the game. Got in touch with me after my son was knocked down by a car. Cheered him up. A gentleman in my eyes.
Predictor league winner 2012/2013
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Topic Originator: AlterPar
Date: Wed 3 May 18:23
Thought the very same Red Star! Despite his final ball eluding him at times, his attacking play was very exciting and he was one of the players I looked forward to seeing the most. Nice guy too.
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Topic Originator: Ladswell_Thistle
Date: Wed 3 May 18:49
Williamson has been at Falkirk but next season he will be playing for Montrose having signed a pre contract.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 7 May 11:03
The stats for our first season under Alan Johnston and this season are very similar.
Season 2015/16; P36 W24 D7 L5 GF83 GA30 PTS 79.
Season 2022/23; P36 W23 D12 L1 GF63 GA21 PTS 81.
I`ve now updated the stats to include our last day win. How does 81 pts for League 1 compare to previous totals. I know Therangers 2012 will have walked it with the mercenaries they were able to lure to Ibrox, but I think we`ll compare well with most other title winners, although I remember QOS doing really well during AJ`s first spell at Palmerston.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 7 May 11:57
In 2012/213 QOS won it with 92 points; in 2013/14 Rangers won it with 102 points and in 2016/7 Livi won it with 81 points. In 2019/20 and 2020/21 the number of games was reduced because of COVID.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Sun 7 May 13:26
I dont think there is a direct comparison. As others have said, the teams are better this season, we came from relegation so more difficult to turn ariund. FEB scpred many of the goals so we were more reliant on one player, the difference I see is tgat we are a better more balanced side and as a result better prepared for the championship next year.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 7 May 13:31
I actually think it`s a plus that our success has built mainly on a sound defence as that should stand us in good stead against better teams.
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