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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar
Date: Mon 22 May 09:13
Good luck to them.
matt forsyth
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Mon 22 May 09:33
Can’t see this working with their small fan base. Don’t know who owns them but they will have to fund it obviously. Sounds like one desperate gamble to bounce straight back up. If they don’t it will be back to PT football. Trying to attract players on a FT contract with the wages they will be paying will not be easy. Better to go with the Arbroath model and attract some of the best PT players.
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Topic Originator: Pars11
Date: Mon 22 May 12:00
Topic Originator: desparado like
Date: Mon 22 May 09:33
Can’t see this working with their small fan base. Don’t know who owns them but they will have to fund it obviously. Sounds like one desperate gamble to bounce straight back up. If they don’t it will be back to PT football. Trying to attract players on a FT contract with the wages they will be paying will not be easy. Better to go with the Arbroath model and attract some of the best PT players.
Arbroath field some full time loanee players every game they play. They have a good few aged part time players. Hope the bubble has burst for them, make it easier for the Pars in the coming season. As for Cove Rangers I hope they can make a success of going full time.
Bluebell Polka
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Topic Originator: Socks
Date: Mon 22 May 13:37
Interesting sentence in that statement:
"There was significant investment in the squad last season, which in the end failed to pay dividends, and the board believes full-time football can be funded in a more sensible and structured way, which will make the move both more affordable and practical."
I`ve read it about 10 times and still can`t decide if it`s saying that they expect to save money with their new approach, but I think it is.
Do we infer that they spent stupid amounts of money on part-time players last year but now hope to get the bottom end of full-time players available and pay them less money? Not sure how that`s going to work for them - might depend where they plan to train. If it`s in Dundee then you`d think they have a better chance of attracting players based in the central belt than if they were to train in Aberdeen.
You can be attractive to part-time players if you set yourself up to look for the best part-time players and pay the best part-time wages, as Arbroath have done recently and Dumbarton would have done during their spell in that league a few years ago. But full-time in the third tier presumably means trying to compete with the other bottom-end full-time clubs for players and I`m not sure they`d be seen as a very attractive option.
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Topic Originator: parathletic
Date: Mon 22 May 14:00
It does say that they are preparing to operate within a hybrid structure so it sounds like they are not ruling out part-time players either.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 22 May 14:07
They say they`ll be adopting a `hybrid` model in the new season as they transition to a full-time squad. Players like Fox, Naismith, Logan, Reynolds, Fyvie and Vigurs are still there I think and probably on decent part-time wages. Presumably they will be phased out to make way for younger full-time players at the lower end of wage scales which might not be much different from what they are paying the experienced pros.
Isn`t this likely to end up like Kelty where it seems a wealthy benefactor has realised the constraints involved in subsidising a club which has a limited fanbase which restricts the chance of progress? Investment in Scottish football should be applauded but some of these ventures seem like vanity projects.
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Topic Originator: 1985Par
Date: Mon 22 May 14:21
The part-time/ full-time issue is a real dilemma at championship/league 1 level. Fact is there are players who wish to remain part-time who are better players than many full-time players and always will be regardless of how many " double sessions" or how much " video analysis" they are deprived of by not being full time. I`m sceptical in that I don`t believe that training every day and watching videos of the opposition is going to significantly improve you as a team or player. If you haven`t got it, you haven`t got it and if you have, you have. Seen plenty of good part time teams and plenty of garbage full-time ones ( inc our own at times) to give my scepticism some credence.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 22 May 15:16
Aye, good luck to them but seems very risky. They might not spend too much more than this season if they go with a smaller squad on a lower basic wage and a bonus structure based on points won and league position.
On a side note, I`m immediately suspicious of any club which incorporates Rangers in its name - or Celtic, Hearts, Hibs etc. for that matter. United is OK if unimaginative and common as muck. 🙄
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Mon 22 May 23:17
I became aware of Cove away back in 1973 at Fire Service training school, a guy called Bobby Bain from Grampian Fire Brigade was a player for them. He played full back and was a good player, he spoke about the club`s ambitions and their path going forward.
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Topic Originator: Stanza
Date: Tue 23 May 00:34
"On a side note, I`m immediately suspicious of any club which incorporates Rangers in its name - or Celtic, Hearts, Hibs etc. for that matter. United is OK if unimaginative and common as muck."
That might be a bit harsh, GG. Cove Rangers were founded more than a century ago (1922) and Berwick Rangers are older than the Pars, being founded in 1882, the same year as Queens Park Rangers (originally Christchurch Rangers). Brora Rangers are even more venerable (founded 1879).
In the absence of any evidence I doubt if those clubs were called that because of some connection to the Ibrox club - "Rangers" was originally just a name like "Rovers" or "Wanderers". However, Google has an interesting list of clubs with the name "Rangers" and as Scotland and Northern Ireland are disproportionately represented perhaps GG has got a point!
Names like "Celtic" and "Hibernian" were obviously chosen by clubs with an Irish or Roman Catholic support, and there are nowhere near as many of them - Boston Celtics (basketball) and Hibernians (Malta) are the obvious ones, but there did used to be a few Junior teams with the Celtic name. For Hearts, offhand I could only think of Kelty, and they certainly do appear to mimic the Tynecastle club with the same colour scheme.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 23 May 00:55
Dundee United were formed in 1909 as Dundee Hibernian and changed their name in 1923 to United to widen their appeal after almost going out of business.
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Topic Originator: DunPar
Date: Tue 23 May 02:59
Quite a few clubs copied Dunfermline ………Forfar, Annan, Wigan, Charlton, Bilbao, Madrid. …….
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Tue 23 May 06:25
Quote:
DunPar, Tue 23 May 02:59
Quite a few clubs copied Dunfermline ………Forfar, Annan, Wigan, Charlton, Bilbao, Madrid. …….
😂🤣😂
"In the absence of any evidence I doubt if those clubs were called that because of some connection to the Ibrox club - "Rangers" was originally just a name like "Rovers" or "Wanderers". However, Google has an interesting list of clubs with the name "Rangers" and as Scotland and Northern Ireland are disproportionately represented perhaps GG has got a point!"
If any of these clubs listed play in blue, white and red and their fans enjoy a wee sectarian song or two, that would just about clinch my point, Stanza. 😉
Not your average Sunday League player.
Post Edited (Tue 23 May 06:38)
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