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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Fri 25 Aug 17:11
Luis Rubiales :-
A happy and proud guy that was overcome with genuine emotion
Or .. was he a wee bit too familiar with the Spanish Lassies ?
Medal award clip makes Don Juan look an amateur .. :-))
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66621146
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Fri 25 Aug 22:07
Quote:
Buspasspar, Fri 25 Aug 17:11
Luis Rubiales :-
A happy and proud guy that was overcome with genuine emotion
Or .. was he a wee bit too familiar with the Spanish Lassies ?
Medal award clip makes Don Juan look an amateur .. :-))
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66621146
He was bang out of order. Who does he think he is. She should have slapped him. Grabbing his crotch incident is weird too. Ta ta neebs.
Post Edited (Fri 25 Aug 22:07)
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Fri 25 Aug 22:09
Agreed, guy`s a total eedjit. Looks like he`d lost the plot. But for it to be the headline news on BBC TV seems out of place. Let the Spanish deal with it.
Post Edited (Fri 25 Aug 22:11)
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Topic Originator: parathletic
Date: Fri 25 Aug 22:40
81 female players have refused to play for Spain until he is removed from his post and a few of the men have followed suit.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sat 26 Aug 07:14
A very clever, provocative OP. Putting it out there, not condemning Rubiales, but not excusing his behaviour either. Leaving it open for other posters to give their opinion.
I`ll be stunned if anyone believes Rubiales was not bang out of order. If he`d had an ounce of common sense, he`d have walked by now. There`s surely no chance he`ll be allowed to continue, with so many of the women`s football team (and some of their male counterparts) incensed by his arrogant behaviour. And while they`re at it, the Spanish FA should also sack the coach, who managed to alienate 15 members of the squad last year, with only 3 of them eventually returning in time for the WC.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: parathletic
Date: Sat 26 Aug 08:38
The latest twist is that the Spanish FA have now decided to take legal action against the player for lying about her version of events! What a sour way for a great achievement to turn out.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66626410
Post Edited (Sat 26 Aug 08:40)
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Topic Originator: FRED1981
Date: Sat 26 Aug 09:12
The Engerland media will be demanding the result to be overturned and give them the trophy.
F muller
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 26 Aug 09:15
Quote:
FRED1981, Sat 26 Aug 09:12
The Engerland media will be demanding the result to be overturned and give them the trophy.
I thought England had brought it home already?
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Sat 26 Aug 09:30
He was totally out of order on the day, and the response in that cold light of day is unfortunate and only serves to double down on the point that he believes that he did nothing wrong (but to be honest not unsurprising)
It’s a shame that this is the main talking point after what was a great achievement by the team
But fair play to Borja Iglesias BTW. Perhaps if a few more of the Spanish men’s team came out in support, then that would send a strong signal that his kind handsy/over familiar/advantage of power behaviour isn’t acceptable in this day and age.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sat 26 Aug 09:33
Quote:
parathletic, Sat 26 Aug 08:38
The latest twist is that the Spanish FA have now decided to take legal action against the player for lying about her version of events! What a sour way for a great achievement to turn out.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66626410
she was dressed rather provocatively, with those little short shorts and standing close to him, toughing him. Judge Pickles would say she was "simply asking for it"
Top news story on the BBC, makes me wonder what news story that`s hiding, possibly the lack of police action over king charles taking cash for honours or some tory scandal
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 26 Aug 10:18
There`s also a picture of him giving another player a `fireman`s lift` over his right shoulder in the post-match celebrations.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sat 26 Aug 11:49
Quote:
wee eck, Sat 26 Aug 10:18
There`s also a picture of him giving another player a `fireman`s lift` over his right shoulder in the post-match celebrations.
Careful now Eck... I think you mean firefighter`s lift. 😉
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 26 Aug 12:42
Oops!
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Sat 26 Aug 12:55
What an utter omnishables.
The player defended him, he apologised, but others now intervene saying it is "not enough".
The great unlearning approaches it`s zenith, the male-female interface almost seems hopeless at this stage.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 26 Aug 13:18
It was bit tactless and very cringeworthy but it`s all went a bit hysterical for me.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: General Zod
Date: Sat 26 Aug 13:25
I’m on the Spanish boys side. You can’t be expected to be treated as equals all the time and even having the cheek to expect the same wages as men but act like precious delicate wee flowers when it suits an agenda of sorts. I mean what’s next, you can’t even give lassies a playful slap of the erse? It’s pc gone mad or something!!
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Topic Originator: parathletic
Date: Sat 26 Aug 13:29
He`s been suspended by FIFA from all football related activities for 90 days pending an investigation.
Post Edited (Sat 26 Aug 13:30)
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sun 27 Aug 13:23
From the beeb :-
An internal investigation has been launched by Spain`s football federation after its sexual violence protocol was activated.
Federation president Luis Rubiales has been suspended by Fifa after kissing forward Jenni Hermoso on the lips after Spain`s Women`s World Cup win.
Hermoso, 33, has said the kiss after last Sunday`s game was not consensual.
Maria Dolores Martinez Madrona, the protocol`s protection delegate, said the matter is now being investigated.
"Our protocol is currently activated and in the midst of investigating the events, thus we demand the utmost respect for the right to privacy and dignity of all individuals involved," she said in a letter published by the federation (RFEF).
"As the protection delegate for sexual violence, my duty is to adhere to the protocol and safeguard the privacy of those affected by this incident and of the Sexual Violence Advisory Committee."
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 27 Aug 13:31
Someone said on the radio this morning that Rubiales played a few games for Hamilton! Wikipedia confirms he played three games and a one-year contact was cut short. He mainly played in the second tier of Spanish football.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 27 Aug 13:34
"Sexual violence" 🙈
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Sun 27 Aug 17:35
I thought these continentals were always kissing each other. In fact the French are even worse, they do it twice. I prefer the Scottish way myself, a mumbled acknowledgement of "gaun yersel big man" or "hen" in this instance and a discreet pat on the shoulder. But if it is the kiss that is preferred the proponent must be careful to do it on the cheek. Two inches out and you could lose your job.
But should the BBC be making this first item on the main UK news? No way. I rarely watch anything on BBC now and that is due to get even rarer.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 28 Aug 12:14
His mother`s gone on hunger strike in her local church in protest against his treatment!
From BBC Sport -
The mother of Spanish football federation president Luis Rubiales has gone on a hunger strike because of the "inhuman hunt" against her son. There has been widespread criticism of Rubiales, 46, after he kissed forward Jenni Hermoso on the lips following Spain`s Women`s World Cup final win.
His mother, Angeles Bejar, has now locked herself in a church in Motril. She told Spanish news agency EFE the strike would continue "indefinite, day and night".
Spanish media have gathered outside the Divina Pastora church in Motril on the southern Spanish coast, the town where Rubiales was raised. Bejar told EFE that the "inhuman and bloody hunt that they are doing with my son is something he does not deserve".
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 29 Aug 14:59
Its getting dafter .. From Aunty :-
The Spanish Football Federation is exploring its options over whether it can sack Women`s World Cup-winning head coach Jorge Vilda.
Vilda remains in post despite most of his coaching staff resigning in protest against federation president Luis Rubiales` refusal to quit for kissing squad member Jenni Hermoso after their World Cup win on 20 August.
Eighty-one Spain players, including all 23 World Cup winners, have also said they would not play for the team again while Rubiales remained in position.
Vilda was spotted applauding Rubiales at the Spanish federation`s (RFEF) extraordinary general assembly on Friday, when Rubiales repeatedly insisted he would not resign, though Vilda has since criticised his behaviour.
The RFEF believes all those incidents combined may give them enough of a case to sack Vilda.
Why don`t they all just kiss and make up .......... No Wait
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Tue 29 Aug 15:11
There`s an absolutely disgusting amount of support for non-consensual intimate touching on this thread, and it just shows how far we are from a society where women can feel safe from unwanted physical interaction.
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Tue 29 Aug 15:34
Looks like your playing the victim card there Wotsit and exaggerating in the extreme. I only see one post on this thread that takes the sides with Rubiales. Doubt very much if that amounts to a "disgusting amount of support".
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 29 Aug 15:45
So if he`d resigned immediately would that have been enough? What would be deemed a fitting punishment out of interest?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Tue 29 Aug 15:53
lol how am I "playing the victim card"?
There might not be much outright support, but there is plenty of comments being dismissive and mocking the seriousness of the situation:
"I thought these continentals were always kissing each other."
"The player defended him, he apologised, but others now intervene saying it is "not enough"."
"Careful now Eck... I think you mean firefighter`s lift."
"Two inches out and you could lose your job."
"Why don`t they all just kiss and make up .......... No Wait"
"it`s all went a bit hysterical for me."
""Sexual violence" 🙈"
It wasn`t a social faux pas - it was assualt.
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Tue 29 Aug 16:51
Aye, kissing someone on the mouth isn`t really on and anyone who thinks it is, or that it shouldn`t be called out probably needed their hard drive checked. I wonder what the Venn Diagram of folk who think it`s OK and those who defended David Goodwillie would be?
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 29 Aug 17:00
Some amount of leaping on this thread as well. The reality is none of you know anything about most of the posters on here. The previous post is testament to that
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Tue 29 Aug 17:11
"There might not be much outright support". So you`re admitting to serious exaggeration by saying that there was a "disgusting amount of support". Not a new tactic by any means.
Maybe some of the comments signify an attempt to bring some balance to the overblown media frenzy. The guy behaved like an idiot, there`s no doubt and doesn`t present himself like a good ambassador for the sport or his country. But surely we are permitted to bring some perspective to the situation by a light hearted comment or two.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Tue 29 Aug 17:42
I mean, if you want to play semantic games, then it would be remiss of me not to point out that it was you who referred to "outright" support. My comment was only in reference to "support" which includes indirect support - such as comments undermining the importance of the allegations.
If you were paying attention you`d have noticed the "overblown media frenzy" isn`t about the specific incident but about what Bletchly, rather clinically, called "the male-female interface."
Or, in less weird language, the manner in which men and women behave towards one another.
This story is particularly pertinent in situations where a clear power imbalance exists and shows one of the forces at play when women choose not to report inappropriate (or worse) behaviour.
You might think that it is a "overblown media frenzy" whereas I think it`s about time that this sort of abuse of power (and people) was highlighted and ended.
Post Edited (Tue 29 Aug 17:43)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 29 Aug 18:03
You`d think in this day and age we could accept that this was a spur of the moment error of judgement. That doesn`t justify it but let the guy apologise (I`d assume he already had), be clear that it wasn`t appropriate, move on.
The whole world seems obsessed with "cancelling" people to the point that minor* incidents like this are being lumped in with far more serious ones.
*Appreciate it won`t feel minor to the player involved.
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Tue 29 Aug 18:04
Therefore Wotsit, you think it`s perfectly fine to seriously exaggerate what posters write to make your point. The other exaggeration is that it was a serious assault. Serious assaults in this country, and I would imagine, in Spain, are dealt with by law and would result in arrest and trial. Your gripe is not with the posters on this forum but with the law making bodies, to treat such behaviour as serious assault.
Exactly Jake we`re into the "cancel culture". We divide society into the oppressor and the oppressed. We make sure that we are seen as the oppressed and fulminate on those we consider guilty of the unforgivable sin.
Post Edited (Tue 29 Aug 18:09)
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 29 Aug 18:38
Quote:
jake89, Tue 29 Aug 18:03
You`d think in this day and age we could accept that this was a spur of the moment error of judgement. That doesn`t justify it but let the guy apologise (I`d assume he already had), be clear that it wasn`t appropriate, move on.
The whole world seems obsessed with "cancelling" people to the point that minor* incidents like this are being lumped in with far more serious ones.
*Appreciate it won`t feel minor to the player involved.
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"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: MikeyLeonard
Date: Tue 29 Aug 19:15
Spot on Jake. Great post.
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Topic Originator: AJ27
Date: Tue 29 Aug 19:22
Except that he didn’t apologise
Andy J
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Tue 29 Aug 19:39
Quote:
Paralex, Tue 29 Aug 17:11
"There might not be much outright support". So you`re admitting to serious exaggeration by saying that there was a "disgusting amount of support". Not a new tactic by any means.
Maybe some of the comments signify an attempt to bring some balance to the overblown media frenzy. The guy behaved like an idiot, there`s no doubt and doesn`t present himself like a good ambassador for the sport or his country. But surely we are permitted to bring some perspective to the situation by a light hearted comment or two.
No.
Nothing light hearted about it.
It was abuse
Any ammount of support is a disgusting ammount.
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Tue 29 Aug 19:42
Agree, good post.
It seems like social media has made it easier for a mob to form. Old school media need something to print so they continue to fuel a fire...all until some level of sanction, as determined sufficient to the mob, is meted out.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 29 Aug 19:48
There are many facets and opinions to this particular circumstance
GG has given me far too much credit by calling my post clever
My opinion was tucked into the last line of the post which said He made Don Juan look like an amateur
Rubiales knew what he was doing with the personal contact with all the Spanish Lassie`s team .. He behaved like a Tup in a field of Ewes .. Sacking is the only outcome for me
Wotsit .. how much more highlight do you want ? .. 12 million viewers .. 1.9 million you tube .. 60,000 crowd ? So apart from the folk who saw it and the Media highlighting it .. Also the people who have openly spoken out .. who else do you need to help end it ?? .. genuine question
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Tue 29 Aug 19:56
Quote:
Buspasspar, Tue 29 Aug 19:48
There are many facets and opinions to this particular circumstance
GG has given me far too much credit by calling my post clever
My opinion was tucked into the last line of the post which said He made Don Juan look like an amateur
Rubiales knew what he was doing with the personal contact with all the Spanish Lassie`s team .. He behaved like a Tup in a field of Ewes .. Sacking is the only outcome for me
Wotsit .. how much more highlight do you want ? .. 12 million viewers .. 1.9 million you tube .. 60,000 crowd ? So apart from the folk who saw it and the Media highlighting it .. Also the people who have openly spoken out .. who else do you need to help end it ?? .. genuine question
Well, it was clever, BPP, and I`m not taking it back. You`ve already got 40 posts on the subject. The only way you`d have had more by now was if you`d suggested that Rubiales had done nothing wrong and was just caught up in the joy of the moment......
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Tue 29 Aug 20:38
Think you`re playing semantics now Parrot. If you read Wotsit`s post you will realise that he was trying to make out that there was a large majority of posters in favour of the action by Rubiales, when there was only one. If you`re trying to twist that now by suggesting that even one is a disgusting level, that`s fine but it still misses the point that all but one of the posters agreed that Rubiales was out of order.
If you think it`s a hanging offence, fair enough but the law hasn`t caught up with that level of punishment yet.
Post Edited (Tue 29 Aug 20:38)
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Topic Originator: arpar
Date: Tue 29 Aug 20:50
It was inappropriate but branding it as sexual assault just undermines what that means.
If you were watching it the player embraced him then he kissed her on the lips before she then moved off. She didn`t pull away or turn her head or slap him, all reasonably natural reactions if someone was extremely upset.
He also did apologise and say it was a mistake and in the heat of the moment, so to say he hasn`t is not true.
Like I said it definitely wasn`t appropriate especially from someone that holds authority but it`s definitely been blown out of proportion from what it was or the intentions of it.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Tue 29 Aug 21:01
"If you were watching it the player embraced him then he kissed her on the lips before she then moved off."
And if you were watching you`ll have seen he put gus hands on both her cheeks and kissed her on the lips. That was not an embrace.
"She didn`t pull away or turn her head or slap him, all reasonably natural reactions if someone was extremely upset."
That`s the kind of thing you hear from folk who say "she can`t gave been raped, she never even fought back". It also ignores fhe fact he has a position of power over her, she may well have been in shock, she had just won the World Cup and the whole thing was being shown live round the World...
"He also did apologise and say it was a mistake and in the heat of the moment, so to say he hasn`t is not true."
He also said it was consensual when it wasn`t. You know, so there`s that. Already caught lying, doesn`t think he`s done anything wrong and will gladly say anything to keep his job
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Tue 29 Aug 21:03
If Scotland won the World Cup and Nicola Sturgeon gave Andy Robertson a great big smacker on the lips, I would be so overtaken with joy that I would kiss the cat.
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Topic Originator: arpar
Date: Tue 29 Aug 21:44
Quote:
kelty_par, Tue 29 Aug 21:01
"If you were watching it the player embraced him then he kissed her on the lips before she then moved off."
And if you were watching you`ll have seen he put gus hands on both her cheeks and kissed her on the lips. That was not an embrace.
"She didn`t pull away or turn her head or slap him, all reasonably natural reactions if someone was extremely upset."
That`s the kind of thing you hear from folk who say "she can`t gave been raped, she never even fought back". It also ignores fhe fact he has a position of power over her, she may well have been in shock, she had just won the World Cup and the whole thing was being shown live round the World...
"He also did apologise and say it was a mistake and in the heat of the moment, so to say he hasn`t is not true."
He also said it was consensual when it wasn`t. You know, so there`s that. Already caught lying, doesn`t think he`s done anything wrong and will gladly say anything to keep his job
Video of incident
From the video they had a hug first (embraced) which was clearly concensual then he kissed her which I agree was inappropriate but not sexual assault. She then moves on and meets others etc. No outrage but clearly when asked she said she didn`t like it. I think in the moment he lost sight of professionalism and correct behaviour. An apology for the behaviour was probably enough but his position is now untenable.
There was be more to it and other things I am not aware of but was just commenting on this incident in isolation.
Bringing rape up is totally irrelevant to anything. Why you mentioning it is beyond me.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Tue 29 Aug 22:26
Quote:
Paralex, Tue 29 Aug 21:03
If Scotland won the World Cup and Nicola Sturgeon gave Andy Robertson a great big smacker on the lips, I would be so overtaken with joy that I would kiss the cat.
The fact you are still making light of this is disturbing. I dont think I have ever disagreed with you before but you got this very wrong.
How do we get the message across to people that this behaviour is not acceptable if a proportion of normally sensible people belittle it.
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Tue 29 Aug 22:54
Just trying to bring a sense of perspective Parrot. I`m still very much miffed that the BBC is making this headline news when there are major news items at home and abroad that involve real suffering. No doubt the young lady will have gotten over the absolute shock of being kissed but there are real tragedies where communities are being wiped out and peoples displaced and all the media can focus on is one man in Spain who kissed a young lady. Something not right with our priorities I dare to suggest.
In fact I would go so far as to say that the fallout from the situation being publicised to the extent that it has just may have caused the young lady more anxiety than the actual incident itself. I am sure the authorities in Spain can deal with this themselves without all and sundry poking their noses in, particularly the BBC, who have bigger and more important issues they should be addressing.
Post Edited (Tue 29 Aug 23:18)
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Wed 30 Aug 00:13
Quote:
Paralex, Tue 29 Aug 22:54
Just trying to bring a sense of perspective Parrot. I`m still very much miffed that the BBC is making this headline news when there are major news items at home and abroad that involve real suffering. No doubt the young lady will have gotten over the absolute shock of being kissed but there are real tragedies where communities are being wiped out and peoples displaced and all the media can focus on is one man in Spain who kissed a young lady. Something not right with our priorities I dare to suggest.
In fact I would go so far as to say that the fallout from the situation being publicised to the extent that it has just may have caused the young lady more anxiety than the actual incident itself. I am sure the authorities in Spain can deal with this themselves without all and sundry poking their noses in, particularly the BBC, who have bigger and more important issues they should be addressing.
I don`t think it would have been high profile, or any significant profile had it not been for his high profile position.
Now that it is in the news though, It should be dealt with firmly.
I appreciate your stance. I often play devils advocate myself. It doesn`t usually go down well in any Chat room. As folk don`t know you personally so take you literally.
Post Edited (Wed 30 Aug 00:13)
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Wed 30 Aug 07:31
"Bringing rape up is totally irrelevant to anything. Why you mentioning it is beyond me."
Because you said that she didn`t react or slap him or whatever, and that is a well worn reason that people claim that rapes and other sexual assaults didn`t happen. It wasn`t rape/sexual assault because she didn`t fight back. It`s victim blaming in another form. Not quite as bad as "she was asking for it" but getting close. It totally belittles the complainants belief that they`ve been assaulted and makes out that if someone doesn`t fight/scream/whatever that they somehow are enjoying it or want it to happen or consent to something.
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Wed 30 Aug 13:02
Kelty - no wonder the Spanish have that kind of view on consent - up until the last year or so (until that the law was changed), if you didn’t try to fight your attacker, then it couldn’t count as rape
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Wed 30 Aug 14:00
Sadly that attitude was commonplace and still seems to be a widely held view DBP.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 5 Sep 16:12
From Aunty :-
Jorge Vilda, Spain`s Women`s World Cup-winning head coach, has been sacked amid the ongoing Luis Rubiales scandal.
Spain`s win was overshadowed by the country`s football federation president Rubiales kissing forward Jenni Hermoso, which she said was not consensual.
Most of Vilda`s coaching staff resigned and 81 players refused to play for Spain in the aftermath.
Rubiales has refused to resign but has been provisionally suspended by Fifa, football`s world governing body.
In a statement, Spanish federation the RFEF did not give a specific reason for Vilda`s dismissal, saying he had been "a promoter of the values of respect and sportsmanship in football".
However, the RFEF has been exploring whether it could sack Vilda - considered a close ally of Rubiales - since last week.
He was spotted applauding Rubiales at the RFEF`s extraordinary general assembly earlier in August - when Rubiales repeatedly insisted he would not resign and said he would offer Vilda a new deal - though he has since criticised his behaviour.
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 6 Sep 16:53
And so it continues .. From Aunty :-
Jenni Hermoso has filed a legal complaint over the kiss by Spanish football federation president Luis Rubiales.
Rubiales kissed Hermoso on the lips after Spain`s World Cup final win, which she says was not consensual.
Rubiales claims the kiss was "mutual and "consensual", but has been provisionally suspended by football`s world governing body Fifa.
The complaint means the 46-year-old could face criminal charges.
On 29 August, Spanish prosecutors opened a preliminary investigation into whether the incident amounts to a crime of sexual assault.
At the time, Spain`s top criminal court said it was opening its investigation in light of the "unequivocal nature" of 33-year-old Hermoso`s statements, saying it was necessary "to determine their legal significance".
"Given the public statements made by Jennifer Hermoso, the sexual act she was subjected to by Luis Rubiales was not consensual," a statement said.
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Thu 7 Sep 00:30
It`s beyond parody at this point, I`m sure even the people criticising this guy must be sitting all biscuit arsed knowing that this has descended into farce.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Thu 7 Sep 05:46
Quote:
Bletchley_Par, Thu 7 Sep 00:30
It`s beyond parody at this point, I`m sure even the people criticising this guy must be sitting all biscuit arsed knowing that this has descended into farce.
Can you explain in a bit more detail why you think it is a farce.
Personally I believe there should be consequences for his actions. Probably losing his job is adequate.
Maybe some punitive damages as a deterrent for others and compensation for the victim.
It was an unwanted act, it was abuse but it wasn`t GBH.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 7 Sep 06:52
It was sexual violence don`tcha know....
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: The_Sundials
Date: Thu 7 Sep 11:58
Post Edited (Thu 07 Sep 11:59)
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Thu 7 Sep 12:41
I almost wish England had won now...
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Thu 7 Sep 13:52
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OzPar, Thu 7 Sep 12:41
I almost wish England had won now...
That`s taking it a bit far....
it is a pity for the Spanish team that this has taken the shine off it
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 7 Sep 14:33
I suppose it`s gone too far to expect them to kiss and make up...
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Fri 8 Sep 06:43
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wee eck, Thu 7 Sept 14:33
I suppose it`s gone too far to expect them to kiss and make up...
You`re just a very naughty boy, wee eck. All Rubiales needed to do was to apologise for his "moment of madness" by explaining that he was caught up in the euphoria of it all. He would almost certainly have been forgiven, and it would have been forgiven in next to no time.
It is quite a complex matter, which has served to expose Neanderthal male attitudes towards women, which are still rife in Spain and many other countries around the world.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 10 Sep 21:59
And that should be that. Obviously it won`t be tho
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sun 10 Sep 22:28
To quote the late great Errol Brown :-
Started with a kiss
Never thought it would come to this
It started with a kiss
I never thought it would come to this
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