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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Wed 13 Sep 12:12
Showing his true colours today, with the pihs that he`s spouting.
Post Edited (Wed 13 Sep 13:15)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 13 Sep 12:48
He made a fair point but describing those booing as "SNP supporters" was a poor show IMO. Would he refer to people applauding as "Tory supporters"?
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Topic Originator: RossF
Date: Wed 13 Sep 13:11
Regardless of what you think about national anthems, you shouldn`t be booing them though. I`ll never sing God save the king/queen but don`t understand the reason for booing it. Sadly the England fans went even lower last night by booing the minutes silence, which is disgusting behaviour.
As much as I`m not a SNP fan this anthem has been booed long before they came into power so I don`t know why fingers would be pointed at them?
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Topic Originator: doctordandruff
Date: Wed 13 Sep 13:33
Funny thing is, on Twitter, most of the complaining about Scottish fans booing seems to be coming from Scots, and mostly Rangers fans. The irony of them taking the moral high ground on stadium chanting is something else.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 13 Sep 13:43
Ally seems a bit confused. He said he sang along with GSTK, which was played as the English anthem, because he`s British. I wonder if he sang `Flower of Scotland`?
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Topic Originator: steaua
Date: Wed 13 Sep 13:49
My two daughters who were at the game, were more upset by some of the songs being sung against Harry Kane. And the alleged incident where two glass bottles were thrown down on top of the England fans. It is not that long ago when the Scotland fans were welcomed everywhere, get that behaviour stopped please.
In hindsight my opinion is this game has been played at the wrong time. We were on the crest of a wonderful run of games, let`s hope this hasn`t disrupted our confidence for the two remaining games . As said above my opinion.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Wed 13 Sep 14:00
I think Graeme Souness summed the game up very well.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Wed 13 Sep 14:13
Ally McCoist , as likeable as he is , plays to the UK flute whenever he can.
Now, he’s entitled to support the union with England and even sing the English National Anthem which contains anti Scottish lyrics but for someone his age who knows this has been roundly booed for decades to politicise it is insanely stupid.
It was given the same treatment in the 70’s 80’s 90’s and more when Labour were the people’s choice in the ballot box.
Ally just playing to the Ibrox loyalists and the English audience.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: gthyde
Date: Wed 13 Sep 14:21
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Wed 13 Sep 14:13
Ally McCoist , as likeable as he is , plays to the UK flute whenever he can.
Now, he’s entitled to support the union with England and even sing the English National Anthem which contains anti Scottish lyrics but for someone his age who knows this has been roundly booed for decades to politicise it is insanely stupid.
It was given the same treatment in the 70’s 80’s 90’s and more when Labour were the people’s choice in the ballot box.
Ally just playing to the Ibrox loyalists and the English audience.
As much as I don’t care for national anthems, what are the anti Scottish lyrics in GSTK?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 13 Sep 14:25
I think Ally`s confused. Although the English FA insist on using the British NA, in this context it is the English national anthem. Is it normal for someone to sing the opposition`s national anthem?!
That doesn`t bother me though, what bothers me is him politicising this by referring to the SNP. Utter drivel and he should be called out on it.
Anyway, I look forward to hearing his rendition of La Marcha Real.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 13 Sep 14:27
Quote:
gthyde, Wed 13 Sept 14:21
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Wed 13 Sep 14:13
Ally McCoist , as likeable as he is , plays to the UK flute whenever he can.
Now, he’s entitled to support the union with England and even sing the English National Anthem which contains anti Scottish lyrics but for someone his age who knows this has been roundly booed for decades to politicise it is insanely stupid.
It was given the same treatment in the 70’s 80’s 90’s and more when Labour were the people’s choice in the ballot box.
Ally just playing to the Ibrox loyalists and the English audience.
As much as I don’t care for national anthems, what are the anti Scottish lyrics in GSTK?
They aren`t in it anymore but were:
Lord grant that Marshal Wade,
May by thy mighty aid,
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush,
And like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush.
God save the Queen!
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Wed 13 Sep 14:28
GSTQ was always booed at Wembley when I was going early 70`s!
"Rebellious Scots to crush" I believe?
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Topic Originator: gthyde
Date: Wed 13 Sep 14:31
Quote:
jake89, Wed 13 Sep 14:27
Quote:
gthyde, Wed 13 Sept 14:21
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Wed 13 Sep 14:13
Ally McCoist , as likeable as he is , plays to the UK flute whenever he can.
Now, he’s entitled to support the union with England and even sing the English National Anthem which contains anti Scottish lyrics but for someone his age who knows this has been roundly booed for decades to politicise it is insanely stupid.
It was given the same treatment in the 70’s 80’s 90’s and more when Labour were the people’s choice in the ballot box.
Ally just playing to the Ibrox loyalists and the English audience.
As much as I don’t care for national anthems, what are the anti Scottish lyrics in GSTK?
They aren`t in it anymore but were:
Lord grant that Marshal Wade,
May by thy mighty aid,
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush,
And like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush.
God save the Queen!
Ok, so it doesn’t quote anti Scottish lyrics anymore. Anyone know when it was changed?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 13 Sep 14:41
Not for 100 years at least. That doesn`t stop people moaning though.
We shouldn`t forget history, but should learn from it rather than always dwelling on it. Case and point the songs sung by many people at football matches.
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Wed 13 Sep 15:25
I think the contentious lyrics predate the official national anthem, and were merely sung in music halls in much the same way as football supporters would adapt popular contemporary songs for the occasion.
For example "There`s only one Andy Ritchie" is not in the traditional lyrics of "Guantanamera".
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Wed 13 Sep 15:36
"They aren`t in it anymore but were:"
"Ok, so it doesn’t quote anti Scottish lyrics anymore. Anyone know when it was changed?"
"Not for 100 years at least. That doesn`t stop people moaning though."
Not so. They aren`t sung any more but are still officially part of the words. It was looked at while Gordon Brown was PM but they decided not to change anything for... reasons.
Couple of links:
Contemporary report (behind paywall)
Free article looking back last September
However, McCaig is correct that it was usually added in unofficial versions in music halls and the like rather than being something that was sung officially. The bigger question of course is that with castles, security guards, the military and Special Branch, isn`t the monarch suitably protected already without needing a mythical being to add their protection?
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Wed 13 Sep 16:20
I think the contentious lyrics are all around the fact that the main thrust is nothing to do with a nation, but about an individual and subjugation.
As I said above, I’m an atheist Republican, so in the current sung words, i’d point at ‘God’ and ‘King’, ‘reign over us’ as being disenfranchising and potentially divisive.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Wed 13 Sep 16:27
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Wed 13 Sep 14:13
Ally McCoist , as likeable as he is , plays to the UK flute whenever he can.
Now, he’s entitled to support the union with England and even sing the English National Anthem which contains anti Scottish lyrics but for someone his age who knows this has been roundly booed for decades to politicise it is insanely stupid.
It was given the same treatment in the 70’s 80’s 90’s and more when Labour were the people’s choice in the ballot box.
Ally just playing to the Ibrox loyalists and the English audience.
It doesn`t have anti Scottish lyrics. Tt has anti Jacobite lyrics.
Still not acceptable. You would think in this day and age where authorities promote the importance of using the preferred pronoun when addressing someone, they would see sense in deleting a verse from the national anthem which offends about 40% of a member nation.
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Topic Originator: Alf
Date: Wed 13 Sep 17:09
Mcoist didn`t have an issue when Scottish fans booed the Irish anthem, strange that,
I don`t remember him saying much when his supporters sang about being up to their knees in fenian blood when he was at ibrokes
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 13 Sep 18:14
Quote:
Alf, Wed 13 Sept 17:09
Mcoist didn`t have an issue when Scottish fans booed the Irish anthem, strange that,
I don`t remember him saying much when his supporters sang about being up to their knees in fenian blood when he was at ibrokes
Good point, well made, Alf. No number of wrongs make a right, however.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Wed 13 Sep 18:29
"It doesn`t have anti Scottish lyrics. Tt has anti Jacobite lyrics."
The lyrics do not mention Jacobites - it`s rebellious Scots.
Anyway, that offending 4th verse was ditched long outwith living memory - just as the battle honour "Culloden" was removed from historically appropriate British Army regimental colours long since.
Not sure why people refer to GSTQ/GSTK as a national anthem - it`s a Royal anthem, not the same thing.
Which other country in the world maintains a national anthem embracing an individual hereditary unelected Head of State ?
Not even Kim Jong Un I suspect - although it must have crossed his mind !!!
Ally McCoist has always been Union minded - he was a prominent supporter of Better Together for example.
Post Edited (Wed 13 Sep 18:31)
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Wed 13 Sep 19:06
Quote:
veteraneastender, Wed 13 Sep 18:29
"It doesn`t have anti Scottish lyrics. Tt has anti Jacobite lyrics."
The lyrics do not mention Jacobites - it`s rebellious Scots.
Anyway, that offending 4th verse was ditched long outwith living memory - just as the battle honour "Culloden" was removed from historically appropriate British Army regimental colours long since.
Not sure why people refer to GSTQ/GSTK as a national anthem - it`s a Royal anthem, not the same thing.
Which other country in the world maintains a national anthem embracing an individual hereditary unelected Head of State ?
Not even Kim Jong Un I suspect - although it must have crossed his mind !!!
Ally McCoist has always been Union minded - he was a prominent supporter of Better Together for example.
I think originally rebellious Scots meant Jacobites but I see the evolved significance.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 13 Sep 19:32
Oor Billy has it nailed
https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=billy+connolly+national+anthem&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:38796cc2,vid:i9nnnM-__JQ,st:0
Anyone oh you clever clogs get this to work ?
Post Edited (Wed 13 Sep 19:33)
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Wed 13 Sep 21:48
If Busspasspar is referring to the takeoff Billy Connolly did on "An Audience with Billy Connolly" of various national anthems and the suggestion that we should choose the Archers theme as our new tune, that was hilarious.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 13 Sep 23:52
An idiotic thing to do really as all it did was rile up our opponents before a ball had even been kicked and gave them all the extra motivation they needed. You could tell with Bellingham`s celebrations, as if he was saying `why aren`t you booing now?`.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Thu 14 Sep 05:05
Quote:
veteraneastender, Wed 13 Sep 20:13
"I think originally rebellious Scots meant Jacobites but I see the evolved significance."
Indeed - but not all Jacobites were Scots, they had had some traditional support in the North East of England.
http://www.northumbrianjacobites.org.uk/pages/section_homepage.php?section=25
I think Jacobites also had support in Cornwall too. If my old memory serves me correctly!
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Topic Originator: Stanza
Date: Thu 14 Sep 11:29
Although it is often portrayed as a "Scottish" rebellion, Jacobite support was mainly in the Highlands, reinforced by the clan system and loyalty to the chief. There was also some support in Perthshire and NE Scotland.
Most Lowland Scots saw the Highlanders as savages and were opposed to the idea of a Stuart restoration with the probable re-imposition of Roman Catholic or Episcopalian rule, as well as the loss of the trading benefits and personal opportunities of a United Kingdom.
There were four Scots and one Irish (out of sixteen) battalions in the Government army that won at Culloden - it wasn`t England v Scotland.
As with Bannockburn, the Jacobite rebellion was largely a dynastic struggle dressed up in nationalism to persuade brave men to die for it. Perhaps in the 21st century, "those days are past now, and in the past they must remain."
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Topic Originator: JimDAFC
Date: Thu 14 Sep 17:32
Lost respect for McCoist now but I suppose saying what he did helps him to hold onto his job covering the english games. Plaudits to Michael Stewart for his reply, not concerned if it may restrict his opportunities in broadcasting in the future.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Thu 14 Sep 17:55
Quote:
JimDAFC, Thu 14 Sep 17:32
Lost respect for McCoist now but I suppose saying what he did helps him to hold onto his job covering the english games. Plaudits to Michael Stewart for his reply, not concerned if it may restrict his opportunities in broadcasting in the future.
I had little respect for McCoist before this anyway. Throughout the commentary he was talking Scotland down and talking England up constantly, you could tell his main aim was to please his paymasters, and play up to his gstk singing, butchers apron waving fellow Ibrox neanderthals
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Topic Originator: Paralytic77
Date: Thu 14 Sep 20:30
Ally’s at it, can’t boo an anthem but ‘up to your knees in’ etc is fine
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 14 Sep 22:08
I doubt commenting cements his career in England. No-one in England gave two hoots. He`s just come across as an idiot.
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Topic Originator: theparsman1885
Date: Thu 14 Sep 22:14
Ally McCoist the convicted drunk driver suckling at the teat of his English paymasters to continue to curry favour with his Ibrox support. His attempt to politicise the booing of a national anthem is the dregs of a bitter man, despite his cheeky chappie persona. Like many others say, where’s his condemnation of his own support singing about murdering catholics? Never hear him say that, why would he want to harm his own income? Mind he’s got some big bills to pay off to protect his son who clearly takes after his dad with his contempt for other drivers safety with a dangerous driving charge.
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Thu 14 Sep 22:25
McCoist has done Question of Sport and Patsy Kensit.
What’s Michael Stewart ever done?
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Topic Originator: Paralytic77
Date: Fri 15 Sep 10:40
And Ulrika
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Fri 15 Sep 10:56
All this stuff aside, he`s consistently my favourite co-commentator. Seems to enjoy watching the game.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Fri 15 Sep 11:13
"Mind he’s got some big bills to pay off to protect his son who clearly takes after his dad with his contempt for other drivers safety with a dangerous driving charge."
McCoist successfully defended the claim by the vehicle insurers that he was in any way responsible for his son`s actions in that case.
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Topic Originator: SeasonedPar
Date: Fri 15 Sep 12:10
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Wed 13 Sep 23:52
An idiotic thing to do really as all it did was rile up our opponents before a ball had even been kicked and gave them all the extra motivation they needed. You could tell with Bellingham`s celebrations, as if he was saying `why aren`t you booing now?`.
Agreed. I’m no royalist or nationalist and can’t stand it. But if the English want to choose an anthem which isn’t the UK’s, do it.
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Topic Originator: fcda
Date: Fri 15 Sep 12:12
Have enjoyed his co-commentaries recently but he`s let himself down with this one. Sounded very much like he was pandering to an English audience.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 15 Sep 13:38
Jim White just as bad on Talksport today, still going on about it 3 days later…..Murphy and Keown not seen a problem with it, as players, their opinion holds more weight to me
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Topic Originator: General Zod
Date: Fri 15 Sep 14:08
Uncle Tams.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 15 Sep 14:38
Surely not Old Firm fans playing the victim?
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Topic Originator: Murphy
Date: Sat 16 Sep 10:22
The National Anthem was always booed, long before the SNP became a popular party in Scottish Politics, so he’s blethering p**h.
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Topic Originator: thebear
Date: Sat 16 Sep 11:45
It`s nothing to do with snp, or other trivia. Its boo,d because England football use a uk anthem, scotland could use the anthem.
Bit that hacked me off was the minutes silence a lot of shouting then booing. I assumed this booing was to tell noisy sods to shut up
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Topic Originator: bigdonnie
Date: Sat 16 Sep 11:52
to stop all booing at it england should use there own anthem like scotland and wales england does not represent uk its national anthem typical arrogant shower never change
donald mcneil
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 16 Sep 12:21
I booed it because I dont believe in the Monarchy and also us not being ran by a government 500 miles away…..
I think the booing during the silence was because people, most likely from both ends, were entering during it oblivious it was even taking place - I didnt know there was a silence until the players were gathering at the centre circle, so understand if others didnt either.
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