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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 24 Nov 19:01
Teams tonight
1 Deniz Mehmet
15 Sam Fisher
5 Chris Hamilton (c)
6 Ewan Otoo
2 Aaron Comrie
18 Paul Allan
8 Joe Chalmers
3 Josh Edwards
17 Owen Moffat
14 Alex Jakubiak
11 Lewis McCann
Subs
7 Kane Ritchie-Hosler
9 Craig Wighton
10 Matty Todd
19 Miller Fenton
23 Michael O’Halloran
44 Max Little (GK)
Ref Willie Collum
Rovers :
1 | Kevin Dabrowski
4 | Ross Millen
7 | Aidan Connolly
10 | Lewis Vaughan
11 | Callum Smith
14 | Josh Mullin
16 | Sam Stanton
19 | Jack Hamilton
20 | Scott Brown
23 | Dylan Easton
34 | Daniel O'Reilly
Subs:
Thomson
Gullan
Corr
McGill
Hannah
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: CrossPar
Date: Fri 24 Nov 19:03
Can`t understand why he has left out Todd and KRH.
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Topic Originator: parathletic
Date: Fri 24 Nov 19:10
Quote:
CrossPar, Fri 24 Nov 19:03
Can`t understand why he has left out Todd and KRH.
Both just back from injury, played 6 days ago and we have a league game on Tuesday.Seems sensible to manage their workload.Last thing we need is either player suffering a setback.
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Topic Originator: yorkiepar
Date: Fri 24 Nov 19:14
Suspect both will get a run-out at some stage tonight.
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Fri 24 Nov 19:49
Can’t be there tonight, but will watch on tv (albeit a little behind the live action)
Really hope we click asa team, take our chances and give them a good solid pumping
COYP!
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Fri 24 Nov 19:57
Rovers struggling to put a recognisable defence out but create the first chance. Looked easier to hit the target, not sure what happened with the final shot.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 24 Nov 19:57
Chalmers caught in possession 3 times already
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:02
Surely not?
Hamilton being the one to bring it out from the back when he isn`t a passer is mental
And that is a dreadful goal to concede.
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:03
Terrible goal to lose. Primary school defending from one or two there.
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"People always talk about Ronaldinho and magic, but I didn't see him today. I saw Henrik Larsson; that's where the magic was."
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Topic Originator: RossF
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:06
What a brutal start. We’ve fell asleep a few times at the back and been punished already after 15 minutes. The defence is nowhere near good enough along with the defensive ability of the midfield. This is going to be a long night by the looks of it.
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:06
Midfield all over the shop
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Topic Originator: gordi-b
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:07
Chalmers and Allen in a midfield is a recipe for disaster
G.B
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:07
That was far too easy. We just watched him too weak in the challenge.
We are nowhere near as effective in midfield tonight, Allan been a passenger so far and chalmers just to weak to play in that position espech alongside Allan. bar a few glimpses from Moffat it’s been very poor in possession with zero quality on the ball and strikers have barely touched the ball nevermind looking like scoring.
Gutted Todd and KRH not fit enough.
Post Edited (Fri 24 Nov 20:09)
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:07
Midfield non existent, defence even worse, no intensity and sloppy passing all over the park. This is worse than the Ayr game.
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Topic Originator: Lucho_8
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:14
We are absolutely shocking so far tonight.
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Topic Originator: GG4
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:14
Our midfield centre pairing is brutal. They offer very little. We need better quality.
I hope McPake sorts this out in Jan.
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Topic Originator: Paralytic77
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:15
Jakubiak is non existent, very poor at holding the ball up, weak as p***
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Topic Originator: Lenstar
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:16
I honestly believe our game is brutal same as last week except we haven’t hit the post a hunner times
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Topic Originator: wetherby
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:16
They are all over us - get the finger out Pars
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Topic Originator: NiallDAFC
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:17
Quote:
Paralytic77, Fri 24 Nov 20:15
Jakubiak is non existent, very poor at holding the ball up, weak as p***
Honking player, be happy to never see him in a pars shirt again.
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:18
We are all over the place just now , too many folk ball watching
we need to settle down and put our foot on it and make sure our passes go to our players instead of a punt up the park
Not to Happy with Jakubiak couldn`t trap a bag of cement
Cmon Ye Pars
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:19
Jakubiak a waste of a jersey yet again.
One of those infuriating players who thinks he’s better than he actually is.
We’re being outmuscled on the park and hitting and hoping for things to happen whereas Rovers sticking to their game plan.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:22
It`s the same old story with lack of movement in the box, unfortunately.
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Topic Originator: Lucho_8
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:22
Quote:
NiallDAFC, Fri 24 Nov 20:17
Quote:
Paralytic77, Fri 24 Nov 20:15
Jakubiak is non existent, very poor at holding the ball up, weak as p***
Honking player, be happy to never see him in a pars shirt again.
No one can get singled out so far. Everyone is rotten.
It’s more effort we’re needing. All they’re players have all the time and space and we’re standing making them look good.
They’ve changed tactics since last time we played them and we are not getting anywhere
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:23
No intensity, no speed, no movement. Only one team playing at a decent level. The other is playing like it`s a pre-season kickabout. Taking 2 minutes to take a throw in when we`re a goal down in a cup tie in a Derby game. Sitting here freezing my nuts off for this garbage.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:25
Topic Originator: Paralytic77 like
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:15
Jakubiak is non existent, very poor at holding the ball up, weak as p***
We waited three months to get the right players in, quality players…. then we signed him………..
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Topic Originator: NiallDAFC
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:25
Quote:
Lucho_8, Fri 24 Nov 20:22
Quote:
NiallDAFC, Fri 24 Nov 20:17
Quote:
Paralytic77, Fri 24 Nov 20:15
Jakubiak is non existent, very poor at holding the ball up, weak as p***
Honking player, be happy to never see him in a pars shirt again.
No one can get singled out so far. Everyone is rotten.
It’s more effort we’re needing. All they’re players have all the time and space and we’re standing making them look good.
They’ve changed tactics since last time we played them and we are not getting anywhere
With what I’ve seen of this boy over the last 4 or 5 games, I absolutely stand by my comment. He is utter mince.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:26
Quote:
kelty_par, Fri 24 Nov 20:23
No intensity, no speed, no movement. Only one team playing at a decent level. The other is playing like it`s a pre-season kickabout. Taking 2 minutes to take a throw in when we`re a goal down in a cup tie in a Derby game. Sitting here freezing my nuts off for this garbage.
It doesn`t look any better sitting in the warmth of the hoose either KP.
If we lose moff to either injury or suspension we really are in trouble.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:29
Get chalmers and Allan off, couldn’t tackle a fish supper and slower than a week in the jail.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:30
We are so poor we`re even making Connolly and Millen look good.
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"People always talk about Ronaldinho and magic, but I didn't see him today. I saw Henrik Larsson; that's where the magic was."
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:31
Was thinking the same. We look very pedestrian up front.
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:31
I’m a bit behind the live action, but from what I’ve seen we’re being outplayed in every department… however it’s only one goal in it so still in it
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:33
Raith have much more movement and purpose going forward. We haven`t really created a goal scoring opportunity
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:34
I don’t rate McCann but I’ll take it over jak everyday of the week.
Surely wighton a better option than that total donkey?
We need a striker and midfielder in Jan pronto.
Post Edited (Fri 24 Nov 20:35)
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Topic Originator: Lucho_8
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:34
We can’t let teams score first, once they sit behind to defend their lead we have absolutely no idea how to break them down.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:34
Changes needed at half time as we have done very little.
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Topic Originator: Lenstar
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:35
My god that was brutal, my eyes hurt, nothing in there to suggest that we can compete presently, we are sith
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:36
Allan and Jakubiak should get hooked. Tod and Whighton on……KRH on later…
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Topic Originator: NiallDAFC
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:37
We’ve looked better since changing our shape, playing Otoo in CDM is a far better option. Man’s an animal in this position imo. Allen playing so deep doesn’t work either so hopefully he’s more effective higher up the park.
Never easy with 2 CDMs playing CB and the midfield playing so poor.
Hopefully a better 2nd half ahead with KRH and Todd to come on.
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Topic Originator: d3monstrate
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:38
Otoo going into midfield was the only positive in that half. Finally a midfield player who looks assured on the ball and willing to put a tackle in. Allan and the front two might as well have stayed in the dressing room. Awful, awful attempt at being footballers.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:39
Quote:
NiallDAFC, Fri 24 Nov 20:17
Quote:
Paralytic77, Fri 24 Nov 20:15
Jakubiak is non existent, very poor at holding the ball up, weak as p***
Honking player, be happy to never see him in a pars shirt again.
Done nothing in a Pars jersey. He`s not the reason we are behind but he isn`t even an out ball. Saw at Starks he takes the ball in and almost always loses it.
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Topic Originator: RossF
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:39
This is embarrassing. You could only make arguments for Edwards, Comrie and Moffat getting into that Raith team at the moment. The rest of their team are streets ahead and that’s hard to accept.
McPake has a lot of credit in the bank from last season but this season is far from good enough. The transfer window was awful and we’ve not strengthened from last season. He seriously needs to get it right in January. Our midfield and strikers aren’t good enough for this level and our defence is lost without Bene. Risking him at Starks Park was foolish.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:39
Lucky to get nil. Rovers can fill their boots if they want. Still only 1 in it but that`s the only plus point.
Moffat the only performer so far. The rest haven`t turned up yet. They better this half...
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:41
Moffat has looked lively and at least is trying to make things happen. Allan, Chalmers and Jakubiak have been awful, the general passing from the team has been extremely poor. Getting turned inside out by Raith`s quick passing and great off the ball movement. McPake needs to make changes if we`re going to come back here
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:41
Need to show something different in the second half, as poor a Pars performance as I`ve observed in many a year.
Well off the pace, but we are still in it.
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Topic Originator: d3monstrate
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:43
Moffat isn`t helping defensively, always slow to get back, Raith are attacking each side he is playing, that`s why they`ve always got an extra man. But he is our only player who looks likely to create something
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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:43
We are lucky they are not 4 or 5 up
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:44
Quote:
RossF, Fri 24 Nov 20:39
This is embarrassing. You could only make arguments for Edwards, Comrie and Moffat getting into that Raith team at the moment. The rest of their team are streets ahead and that’s hard to accept.
McPake has a lot of credit in the bank from last season but this season is far from good enough. The transfer window was awful and we’ve not strengthened from last season. He seriously needs to get it right in January. Our midfield and strikers aren’t good enough for this level and our defence is lost without Bene. Risking him at Starks Park was foolish.
Comrie? He ran beside the guy for the goal without putting in a tackle. Moff is the only one the rest wouldn`t even make their bench on that display.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:46
At present we have to be honest we are second to everything and haven`t really created anything of note ,
We are getting cut open when Raith go forward , we need to get a tackle in ! I hate this backing off and allowing them to get up the park and get the ball across our goals !
Certainly hope they are getting a roasting in that dressing room , because we haven`t turned up at Home again !
A few changes wouldn`t go a miss too ! And I hope it is a game of two halves and we actually turn up and get stuck in ! but I will not hold my breathe on that one our forwards need a decent ball in to them also or it is going to be a long second half
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:46
Absolutely brutal up top like usual… Raith running the game in the 1st half. I would say 2 subs on at half time and feking try harder!
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: elvis_lives
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:46
They are a much better team. 😑
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:47
Agree with you da no 1.
Where we will prob differ is that I think some of those players have turned up tonight, they are just not good enough at this level.
Self inflicted damage by mcpake singing players like jak and retaining players who have shown they can only struggle at this level.
Moffat is very poor defensively but without him the best we’ll get is a 0-0.
Comrie has been distinctly average for some time. When was the last time Edwards contributed anything too?
Post Edited (Fri 24 Nov 20:51)
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Topic Originator: Toddyrov
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:47
Chalmers and Allan getting destroyed
Effe
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Topic Originator: NiallDAFC
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:48
Quote:
RossF, Fri 24 Nov 20:39
This is embarrassing. You could only make arguments for Edwards, Comrie and Moffat getting into that Raith team at the moment. The rest of their team are streets ahead and that’s hard to accept.
McPake has a lot of credit in the bank from last season but this season is far from good enough. The transfer window was awful and we’ve not strengthened from last season. He seriously needs to get it right in January. Our midfield and strikers aren’t good enough for this level and our defence is lost without Bene. Risking him at Starks Park was foolish.
And the bed wetting begins again.
In the window we signed Fisher, KRH and Otoo for a fee and brought in Moffat and Summers on loan among other signings. It was hardly a poor window.
The problem is that half our team are playing out of position due to injuries and a lack of firepower up front.
Once we get our 1st 11 fit and playing in position we will score goals and keep clean sheets. We’re semi comfortable in the league and at times played lovely football, and also sometimes brutal football. But you have to remember this is a young team not playing to its strengths due to circumstances so that’s going to happen.
The goal was never to win the league this year, but ultimately survive, which we will. With a decent signing on the striker front in January (easier said than done) then top 4 will become the objective.
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Topic Originator: donj
Date: Fri 24 Nov 20:48
And the ex~PM talking at half time.The very ex~chancellor I did work for on the side a couple of times then.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:01
Should be 2 there (again).
Todd and Ritchie-Hosler on at least should improve the energy levels but it still looks an uphill battle to get back into this.
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Topic Originator: EastEndTales
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:07
Our Internet access has cut off for 2nd Friday running. Saving me from watching that utter garbage yet again.
Questions need to be asked about McPake now if this result stands.
Ep.17 of East End Tales is out now with Andrius Skerla
https://www.buzzsprout.com/1972630/15082607
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Topic Originator: RossF
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:08
Bed wetting? Come on Niall, it’s fact. If you’re willing to accept this and survival this season then your expectations are poor. Not for a minute would I expect to challenge but I would expect to at least fight for the playoffs. I don’t believe for a minute that our aim this season is survive, even if McPake said it. We haven’t strengthened bringing in players we had on loan last season. It’s great we added them permanently, but the only player that has improved the squad from last season is Moffat. The team are full of players that will give it their all but some have struggled with the step up this season. When all the players are fit, who’s scoring the goals for us? We don’t have a goal scorer!
Post Edited (Fri 24 Nov 21:10)
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Topic Originator: d3monstrate
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:10
Thats probably McCanns first contribution to the game...
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Topic Originator: wetherby
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:10
You wouldnt believe these teams were in the same league.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:10
That’s the game over now. When will McCann learn how to attack the ball? On his heels again.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Lucho_8
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:11
****** EMBARRASSING
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Topic Originator: Stozy
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:11
Same old. You can have all the ball and threatening play you like but if you have no cutting edge it won`t get you far. Most of them are scared to take a shot.
Rubbish attempt at defending a ball into the box from McCann for that goal. Get your head on it.
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Topic Originator: GG4
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:11
Pathetic stuff. We are garbage.
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:11
Shame BBC focussed the replay on the booking for Otoo as the `foul` Collum stopped it for looked a good tackle?
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"People always talk about Ronaldinho and magic, but I didn't see him today. I saw Henrik Larsson; that's where the magic was."
Post Edited (Fri 24 Nov 21:11)
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Topic Originator: Lenstar
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:12
What a pile of ****** wad
Post Edited (Fri 24 Nov 21:14)
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Topic Originator: gordi-b
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:13
Shows the difference in signing policies theirs improved the team ours continued to be mediocre
G.B
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:13
Sadly Raith are the better team. Its clear why they are near the top of the league.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:14
We’re getting a doing here.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:14
It`s embarrassing now
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Topic Originator: RossF
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:14
What the hell has happened to Mehmet this season?
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Topic Originator: MikeyLeonard
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:14
2 goals from free kicks that never were.
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Topic Originator: donj
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:14
Goal after a dive for a free kick.
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Topic Originator: GG4
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:15
Mcpake should be worried about his position. Garbage.
Post Edited (Fri 24 Nov 21:16)
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Topic Originator: Stozy
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:15
Mehmet with his standard contribution.
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:15
Second best in all areas, no cutting edge but soft goals costing us dear again 😕
Edited to say, valid free kicks or not, we should be doing better
Post Edited (Fri 24 Nov 21:16)
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Topic Originator: k76
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:15
This is embarrassing 🙈
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Topic Originator: gordi-b
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:16
What an embarrassment beaten all over the pitch players should be ashamed
G.B
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:16
Dennis pennis has got a 3 Yr deal too :-(
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Topic Originator: wetherby
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:16
Whoe the hell gave Mehmet an extended contract - we are in real trouble.
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Topic Originator: the saline hill puma
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:16
Quote:
RossF, Fri 24 Nov 21:14
What the hell has happened to Mehmet this season?
Same as happened last time at this level. Not good enough and should`ve been binned after last season
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Topic Originator: d3monstrate
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:17
Now that`s even worse. Terrible goalkeeping. Can moan about the the two fouls leading up to the goals, but they have been much better.
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Topic Originator: gordi-b
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:17
What an embarrassment beaten all over the pitch players should be ashamed
G.B
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Topic Originator: HalbeathRoad
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:17
McPake is a complete and utter fraud. Clueless how to set up a team. Needs sacked .
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Topic Originator: elvis_lives
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:18
Quote:
weemike, Fri 24 Nov 21:16
Dennis pennis has got a 3 Yr deal too :-(
Surely not.
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Topic Originator: Bamba-Daft
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:19
Manager is a total clown.
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Topic Originator: gordi-b
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:19
To think Dubrovsky was up for grabs and we give Mehmet a 3yr deal
G.B
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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:20
McPake has go now
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:20
Really thought that Fisher made a good tackle and Collum gave them the foul and of course scored from this move !
It`s like watching men against boys just now
another goal and for me it wasn`t a free kick again , Deniz didn`t cover himself in glory with that one either
it really shows tonight the gulf between Raith and us , on this showing tonight I am not even confident that we will beat Arbroath on Tuesday night
We are getting thrashed because we have no quality up front and that is the difference absolutely no cutting edge whatsoever
I am gutted with the performance level for a local derby !
Post Edited (Fri 24 Nov 21:23)
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Topic Originator: Toddyrov
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:21
Soft in cm
Strikers who can’t score
Cms playing cb
And a keeper that chucks them in
Effe
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Topic Originator: ParfectXI
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:22
We have been shockingly bad all over, we only seem to play well when Bene is on the field, games like today’s show how thin we are through the squad. Our midfield and Defence blow hot and cold, but we have absolutely no cutting edge up front.
Another big loss of money by not getting through to the later stages yet again.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:23
It`s shown the gap between the top two and the rest. We obviously have work to do 2nd half of the season. We lack punch and direct play in forward positions that needs to be addressed.
We have just come up a league and it`s showing a bit. It`s a bun fight for the playoffs we can be in that mix but work is needed in my view.
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:24
Our top referee having a howler here. Never a penalty.
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Topic Originator: Lenstar
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:25
We can’t score and due to injuries are shitless at the back and now a keeper who has no confidence and is very very clearly out his depth……
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:27
Rank rotten bar Moffat in spells, big reaction required Tuesday night.
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Topic Originator: k76
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:29
We aren’t spending enough to compete at the top end of the league.
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Topic Originator: Parfect69
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:30
Difference is investment in the first team. Never mind we have a new academy. Going to be a loooong few years
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:30
Some folks seem surprised, can’t think why ?
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:31
As bad as it gets.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:31
We have not created a single clear goalscoring opportunity in Scottish Cup derby. That sums it up for me. A poor performance all around really.
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Topic Originator: Stozy
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:32
Decent league one squad overall who were not scoring for fun, didn`t strengthen in summer and were hit by injuries this season. Remaining in the championship is key. Could do with a few signings in January.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:34
We are spending decent money on wages, just on players like mehmet, jak, o’hallaran, wighton and chalmers then we have players like Allan and McCann who have come through but are not good enough at this level.
Add to that our keeper falls apart every game he plays at this level and we’re set up to fail…
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:34
We should have found a replacement for Bene the first time never mind the second time he got injured
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Topic Originator: Bamba-Daft
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:35
Far too many players starting week in week out who are league 1 players. Team is absolutely powderpuff defensively and we have zero creativity. The buck stops at the gaffer, he spent the whole summer saying he wouldn’t sign someone just for the sake of it.. then proceeded to sign a striker who averages 3 goals a season over his career. We’re going absolutely nowhere under Mcpake, other than a relegation battle.
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Topic Originator: NiallDAFC
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:35
I get emotions are high but I think it’s a bit harsh to call for McPakes head. We’ve got our 2 main CBs out injured, 3 or 4 of our most creative players unable to start or out injured, players having to play out of position and we’re up against a team fighting for the league.
I know it’s hard to accept that the rovers are better than us but unfortunately their miles ahead since we decided to sign Peter Grant and have a gap year in L1.
If only all clubs could sign a rapist, lose their main financial backer and then get taken over by a new consortium willing to splash the cash.
Aye we’ve been p1ss poor tonight but calling for the manager to get chucked is a bit extreme. And no I’m not saying tonight is acceptable, but by putting things into perspective, I do still think he’s capable of developing and adding to this squad to go up. Anyway who tf we replacing him with?
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Topic Originator: Parfect69
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:37
This board needs to take some responsibility
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:38
They deserved the win.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: The Boss
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:39
McPake has to take the flack. Fail to win on Tuesday and questions have to be asked if he’s the right man to take the club forward. Signings have been really poor.
Embarrassing stuff tonight.
I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:39
Quote:
NiallDAFC, Fri 24 Nov 21:35
I get emotions are high but I think it’s a bit harsh to call for McPakes head. We’ve got our 2 main CBs out injured, 3 or 4 of our most creative players unable to start or out injured, players having to play out of position and we’re up against a team fighting for the league.
I know it’s hard to accept that the rovers are better than us but unfortunately their miles ahead since we decided to sign Peter Grant and have a gap year in L1.
If only all clubs could sign a rapist, lose their main financial backer and then get taken over by a new consortium willing to splash the cash.
Aye we’ve been p1ss poor tonight but calling for the manager to get chucked is a bit extreme. And no I’m not saying tonight is acceptable, but by putting things into perspective, I do still think he’s capable of developing and adding to this squad to go up. Anyway who tf we replacing him with?
Yes agree. There is work to do for sure but McPake has done well. Outplayed in every area and too many passes sideways or backwards when in the top 3rd. Real lack of punch that needs to be looked at I think.
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:41
Quote:
buffy, Fri 24 Nov 21:38
They deserved the win.
Agree Buffy, Raith were streets ahead of us apart for 10 mins early second half
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:43
I don`t remember a shot on target for us.
Rovers better to a man, won so many headers and we seemed to be second to everything.
Really really poor along with most of the season.
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Topic Originator: Parhag
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:44
Lack of fight was just embarrassing tonight. End of.
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Topic Originator: Row_ZZ
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:44
Well that was absolutely fooking dreadful.
Made them look like Barcelona in 2011. The game was done after the first goal in my eyes. Said it straight away we were never getting back in after that goal. Gift teams goals and you can’t score goals yourself = poor outcome.
Genuinely more embarrassing than the other 3-0 Scottish Cup game. That tonight was a disgrace, and they players, and management, should be ashamed.
"A smile might be good!"
"Nothing to smile about in my life"
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:45
Otto had a steady game and Hamilton wasn`t too bad but rest of them were ranging from poor to awful tonight.
McCann has all the physical attributes to play like a poor mans Drogba, odd flashes of brilliance but then compounds it consistently with a first touch like a snooker cushion.
The centre mid pairing had flashbacks to Nat Wedderburn and Dean Shiels a few years ago; so pedestrian and lack of any real pace.
Anyway, lets see what McPake is made of. It`s all gennerally been positive and pats on the back for last year in a bit but we are now definitely in a slump and aside from beating a poor Morton team on a pretty shocking run of form.
Two winable games on the horizon so onwards and upwards (i hope).
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Post Edited (Fri 24 Nov 21:47)
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Topic Originator: FA1968
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:46
Excellent Performance from Rovers, men v boys from the off.
Frightening how little we create in the final 3rd due to our players being a second behind in thought, no creativity or craft. No one with any clinical thought in front of goal even if we did create a chance.
Could go through individuals and how average they are but tonight showed us 100% how many League 1 players we have at the club.
When your only "threat" is a long throw and we are not capable of winning the header from the throw you know you are in trouble.
Boring, Predictable, Slow and did I mention boring. Too many of this squad not good enough for this level plain and simple.
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:47
many folk will be saying we need to bring in some quality in January
If we are realistic watching us play would you come here ?
Tonight is really showing the level we are at and I am not for this this one is missing and that one is missing , we know the Raith set up and allowed our midfield to be over run
Yes we have just come up a league but it shows the gulf between the leagues
I cannot name one player that deserves a pass mark tonight they were all brutal
This has been a very hard watch and hope this isn`t what we are going to be served up week in week out ! but at home just now we are crap
So all that said and done I will just have to admit defeat to a better and more organised team ! just as well Raith were missing a few players too
Post Edited (Fri 24 Nov 22:00)
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:47
Niall, rovers were missing at least 4 first team players tonight and only had 5 on the bench. Their centre mid was playing in defence too.
Mcpake compounded the mistakes made by Grant and yogi by giving the likes of mehmet and chalmers new deals.
The difference between league 1 and championship is massive and we fell into a trap of thinking we had more than enough in some very average players who struggled as we went down and some poor additions. Jak, o’hallaran, mehmet, wighton and others have contributed barely anything this season. Edwards and comrie couldn’t cross a road and when they do the strikers are either not in a good position and don’t gamble or attack the ball (McCann anyone!)
How many of tonight’s team have a proven record in the championship?
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:51
It`s that final third that`s that problem. Too many times we reached that final third and passed it back the way. We`re not going to score any goals if we`re not getting it into the box. Sometimes they need to just take a shot too.
Wee Team keeper should have been carded after the save. Absolute clown for bouncing into McCann like that.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:54
We are in a bad place just now. 6 points needed next three games or the Relegation dog fight alarm bells will be ringing……if they are not already….
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:55
I felt sorry for Lewis. He’s marooned on his own. Running into defenders all night. Moffat imo should be banging them in and Todd too for that matter.
We were beaten fair and square by a well organised Rovers team who were up for the challenge (despite their own fans chucking flares at their own keeper….).
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: PARadise
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:55
No one got even close to pass marks tonight.
Mcann absolute donkey. Mehmet letting the mask slip again showing his standard hopelessness. Moffat Chalmers Allan all absolutely honking tonight.
Really thought we’d have a go tonight, didn’t even lay a glove on them
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:57
p*** poor,
The formation change nullified raith but then they sucker punched us with goals 2 and 3,
Dennis pennis is pihs, but we still would`ve lost with any of our former keepers in goal tonight.
If performances like this persist into the tail end of the season when we have a full compliment then questions need to be asked but right now I`m not getting carried away because of one terrible performance.
We are a young raw side and all these youngsters will have professional careers.
The experienced pro`s need to step up and be counted.
Mehmet and jakubiak are a waste of a wage at the moment.
O`hallohan looks likely to be joining that list.
Charmers can still do a job when he has Otoo Todd and moffat doing the dirty work around him and he just needs to keep it tidy. Allan left him exposed.
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Topic Originator: Swisspar
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:57
Do it all again, 02.01.24.?,
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Fri 24 Nov 21:58
That`s the second game in a few weeks where the manager has been out thought and the tactics and selection have been miles off it. The other being Lee Bullen`s Ayr.
The geniuses at the BBC were commenting before a ball was kicked that it was a very attack minded, almost gung ho Raith line up. But we don`t see the opportunity in that and still want too many touches to play the ball backwards when we win it in midfield instead of trying to get in behind them quickly. It`s no wonder we struggle to create chances when the other team has everyone between us and the goals by the time we start going forward.
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Topic Originator: Bamba-Daft
Date: Fri 24 Nov 22:03
3 derby losses before Christmas. It’s his team, he’s dished out 3 year deals to players like mehmet, he signed Jakubiak, ohalloran etc. Allan and Chalmers centre mid is hopeless, they both run like they’ve got a tug of war team pulling them back.
Massive game on Tuesday, a defeat should be the end of his tenure in my opinion.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Fri 24 Nov 22:04
lol weemike, chalmers can do a job when he has otoo winning the ball back, Moffat taking it forward and Todd providing the legs in there.
In that case what’s he actually contributing?
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Parfect69
Date: Fri 24 Nov 22:06
Quote:
TAFKA_Super_Petrie, Fri 24 Nov 21:45McCann also has all the physical attributes of a brick layer. My guess is he is not very good at that either. However he certainly wasn’t alone tonight
Otto had a steady game and Hamilton wasn`t too bad but rest of them were ranging from poor to awful tonight.
McCann has all the physical attributes to play like a poor mans Drogba, odd flashes of brilliance but then compounds it consistently with a first touch like a snooker cushion.
The centre mid pairing had flashbacks to Nat Wedderburn and Dean Shiels a few years ago; so pedestrian and lack of any real pace.
Anyway, lets see what McPake is made of. It`s all gennerally been positive and pats on the back for last year in a bit but we are now definitely in a slump and aside from beating a poor Morton team on a pretty shocking run of form.
Two winable games on the horizon so onwards and upwards (i hope).
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Fri 24 Nov 22:09
Quote:
Berkey, Fri 24 Nov 22:04
lol weemike, chalmers can do a job when he has otoo winning the ball back, Moffat taking it forward and Todd providing the legs in there.
In that case what’s he actually contributing?
Chalmers is a very tidy footballer with a great eye for a pass.
Otoo can win the ball and beat a man then gives it away.
Moffat and Todd at times look 1 level above the opposition.
If Otoo learns the passing abilities and possession retention skills from chalmers he will be some player in future but right now very raw
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Fri 24 Nov 22:10
Quote:
Parfect69, Fri 24 Nov 22:06
Quote:
TAFKA_Super_Petrie, Fri 24 Nov 21:45McCann also has all the physical attributes of a brick layer. My guess is he is not very good at that either. However he certainly wasn’t alone tonight
Otto had a steady game and Hamilton wasn`t too bad but rest of them were ranging from poor to awful tonight.
McCann has all the physical attributes to play like a poor mans Drogba, odd flashes of brilliance but then compounds it consistently with a first touch like a snooker cushion.
The centre mid pairing had flashbacks to Nat Wedderburn and Dean Shiels a few years ago; so pedestrian and lack of any real pace.
Anyway, lets see what McPake is made of. It`s all gennerally been positive and pats on the back for last year in a bit but we are now definitely in a slump and aside from beating a poor Morton team on a pretty shocking run of form.
Two winable games on the horizon so onwards and upwards (i hope).
Mehmet till 25/26 season is horrifying. Far too many of Grants tenure still lingering around
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Fri 24 Nov 22:10
Have to disagree on McPake, we are just back up in the championship and finding our feet. Raith are having a phenomenal season and thoroughly outplayed us for the majority of the game (really the first time this season I`d argue). What makes it a sore one is that Raith had several players missing and if anything they seemed more confident and harder working.
I would ask questions though about the signings, O`Halloran seemed like a total panic, Jakubiak has been poor and we clearly needed at least one more experienced defender if we were intent at playing 3 at the back, Bene getting injured was always a risk.
Our tempo is just too slow and lacks any sort of cutting edge, movement around the box is poor and the finishing is just plain awful. Consolidate this season then figure out what changes need to be made to move up the table
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Topic Originator: hudza
Date: Fri 24 Nov 22:15
Mcpake signed them boys, recruitment has been rotten this season in attacking positions.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Fri 24 Nov 22:16
Awful, awful, awful.
Raith had a makeshift back line out there - a central midfielder and a guy who had been without a club for about 6 months as well as two wingers - yet they were never really troubled. Our defence might have been missing Benedictus but still had Comrie and Edwards as wing backs and had Otoo and Fisher in their natural positions (albeit Otoo is better in the midfield I reckon) and they`ve been playing together for a wee while now but it looked like it was a scratch outfit put together tonight who had never met.
Our midfield was so pedestrian. Chalmers who wants to slow everything down and who can`t tackle his way out a paper bag or track a runner if his life depended on it, Allan who looked lik3 a wee laddie in his dad`s clothes running about like a headless chicken and Moffat who at least was looking to get on the front foot but has no physical stature whatsoever. Contrast that with the dynamism and quick passing from the likes of Easton and Stanton - two very able footballers who aren`t afraid to roll their sleeves up and do the dirty work.
Up top, McCann is about as frustrating as they come and is a very patchy striker - when he`s hot, he`s hot but when he`s not he is really not. Jakubiak seemed to be going for the record for most misplaced passes in a game in that first half. I`m not sure if he found a black and white jersey at all? There was no movement, nobody was taking a chance and when these two pressed the midfield didn`t allowing Raith an easy out ball.
Todd and Ritchie-Hosler coming on should have increased the energy levels but I can`t remember Todd getting involved too much and Ritchie-Hosler tried to beat his man, failed and then didn`t try again. Not sure if that`s just a lack of game time - hopefully that`s the case and not that he isn`t good enough for this level. And the two goalkeepers - one with wrists made of chocolate (that third goal was a shocker).and one with wrists of steel (the penalty was central and at a good height but it was still a strong handed push over the bar). Mehmet looks short of confidence again but the two other options look just as bad if not worse.
Some folk might say that the 2nd and 3rd were from free kicks that were never fouls and they`d be correct, but in all honestly had we only lost 1-0 it wouldn`t have been a fair reflection on the game (and our penalty was a joke by the way, I`d be raging if that was given against me). We look like a League One outfit and they look like a top Championship side. For the outlay on wages (and presumably fees on Otoo and Ritchie-Hosler), that isn`t good enough.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Fri 24 Nov 22:23
Chalmers is a very decent passer of the ball - if allowed to play at his pedestrian pace - ineffective where the opposition close him down quickly.
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Topic Originator: hudza
Date: Fri 24 Nov 22:28
He’s a league one player. Jumping out of tackles and getting caught in possession constantly at this level
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 24 Nov 22:32
Can everyone just calm down a wee bit. Yes that was dreadful, especially the 1st half. Yes it`s a sore one getting a chasing off your neighbours. I hate the phrase but there`s a reality check needed here. Its unfortunate but we`ve been set back 4-5 years by the decisions 3 years ago. Raith got major investment for right now. We just haven`t got the finance they have to sign players. That`s a fact. They`re in charge just now and I`m afraid we just need to suck it up and go again Tuesday night. Get as clear of the bottom 2 as we can. This is long term whether we like it or not.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Fri 24 Nov 22:32
I don’t really know what to say about that, such a let down on what could’ve been a great night.
Team just weren’t up for it as much as Raith who looked a league apart tonight.
Genuinely think it’s starting to become clearer that there is a gap in quality within our team to others and it’s going to be a bit of a slog this season.
Mehmet is looking like he’s back to being a liability, Fisher has been poor for weeks, Allan shouldn’t be a first team player, you’d forget Jakubiak was on the pitch tonight.
Far too early for folk to call McPake to go but he has a big problem to solve at the moment.
Post Edited (Fri 24 Nov 22:33)
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Topic Originator: sonofpetrie
Date: Fri 24 Nov 22:36
Quote:
veteraneastender, Fri 24 Nov 22:23
Chalmers is a very decent passer of the ball - if allowed to play at his pedestrian pace - ineffective where the opposition close him down quickly.
No he`s no. He passes squarely or backwards, even in his own box. On the odd occasion he completes a decent pass it`s lauded as something special. If he was the passing genius some seem to think he is we would have more goals. He`s also a complete passenger when it comes to the filthy side of the game. He watches players and loose balls waft past him without ever digging in. We play in the championship and there is no room in any team in this league for midfielders (or players in general) who don`t get stuck in.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary"
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Fri 24 Nov 22:38
Which bit of my “pedestrian pace” is unclear ?
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Fri 24 Nov 22:38
If we have no money to sign players then we certainly don’t have money to sack a manager…..again….
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Topic Originator: RossF
Date: Fri 24 Nov 22:45
Do we have no money to strengthen? We’re getting more fans in than we ever have for a long time and would have received a % fee from the Nisbet transfer. Are people who claim this in the know or just assuming we cannot outbid the likes of Raith for players?
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Topic Originator: Parfect69
Date: Fri 24 Nov 22:45
Quote:
desparado, Fri 24 Nov 22:38
If we have no money to sign players then we certainly don’t have money to sack a manager…..again….
This exactly. However you do have to ask the question why are we so skint?
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Topic Originator: Parfect69
Date: Fri 24 Nov 22:46
Quote:
RossF, Fri 24 Nov 22:45
Do we have no money to strengthen? We’re getting more fans in than we ever have for a long time and would have received a % fee from the Nisbet transfer. Are people who claim this in the know or just assuming we cannot outbid the likes of Raith for players?
And the £20,000 a month from the lifeline?
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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Fri 24 Nov 22:47
Anyone else remember the last time the subs did not come out at half time to warm up (apart from 2 minutes before the teams came back out)
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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Fri 24 Nov 22:49
Remember various jobs that were before done for free are now paid positions.. CEO, COMMERCIAL DIRECTOR, CREDIT CONTROLLER...I would say at a guess that is easy 100k if not more a year
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Fri 24 Nov 22:52
I think people need to get away from the keyboards tonight and have a wee bit of calm
Never a good idea to post after a defeat especially when it is our local rivals
We have played them 4 times now and that is really the first time they have been the better team , the difference in the last games was our achilles heel , we normally do not make enough chances and cannot put the ball in the net !
As for people calling for the managers head ! It is Absurd , Raith at present have had some money to splash and have made a good championship team even better !
Just because we won league one do people actually think we are going to win week in week out again in a league up ?
some of our signings should maybe be questioned , but not one of us know any of the circumstances or how much money we had available , everything is supposition
If this was Boness or bonnybrig rose beating us well it`s a different scenario
on the night we were beaten by a better team ! its hard to take because it was the Rovers but we cannot expect miracles with the young team we have
I still believe Mcpake will get things right
so let`s start by getting it right on Tuesday night against Arbroath
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Topic Originator: Bamba-Daft
Date: Fri 24 Nov 22:56
If we were skint we wouldn’t have wasted cash on Jakubiak and Ohalloran, we offered a deal to Wetherspoon who wouldn’t have been cheap. The money was there, Mcpake said all summer “we wouldn’t just sign a player for the sake of it” etc. it’s p*** poor recruitment and loyalty to players who done the job in league 1. The gap is clearly bigger than Mcpake thought. Next two games are massive for him now.
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Topic Originator: Steviethepar2
Date: Fri 24 Nov 23:05
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Bamba-Daft, Fri 24 Nov 22:56
If we were skint we wouldn’t have wasted cash on Jakubiak and Ohalloran, we offered a deal to Wetherspoon who wouldn’t have been cheap. The money was there, Mcpake said all summer “we wouldn’t just sign a player for the sake of it” etc. it’s p*** poor recruitment and loyalty to players who done the job in league 1. The gap is clearly bigger than Mcpake thought. Next two games are massive for him now.
Indeed couldn’t say it better —— folk need to wake up on how bad we are up front - fully fit midfield and
Defence as good as anyone in this league but forwards are dreadful - and we are probably spending Same on their wages as everyone else…
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 24 Nov 23:06
Hold on - people aren’t SERIOUSLY calling for McPake to be sacked are they?
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Topic Originator: Row_ZZ
Date: Fri 24 Nov 23:10
Maybe we aren’t that good?
That’s the only time out of 4 games were we have looked totally outclassed.
It’s p*sh, but there is some amount of overreaction tonight. Let them enjoy it. They won’t win the cup, and they won’t win the league. They can have the bragging rights for a weekend before they inevitably fall to bits, Dundee United win the league, and still stay in the Championship, and also stil have 0 Scottish Cups to their trophy haul.
"A smile might be good!"
"Nothing to smile about in my life"
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 24 Nov 23:10
Quote:
Dave_1885, Fri 24 Nov 23:06
Hold on - people aren’t SERIOUSLY calling for McPake to be sacked are they?
Yip
Staggering
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: gordi-b
Date: Fri 24 Nov 23:14
The signing policy surely comes into question People on here criticised Raith signing take a look at ours Ohallaron not good enough to come on when we are getting gubbed
G.B
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Topic Originator: stevemac
Date: Fri 24 Nov 23:15
Struggling to find a worse performance since the 0-5 Hamilton game a fair few years ago.
Totally clueless.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Fri 24 Nov 23:15
I`m a bit cheesed off tonight, but I don`t think there is any need at all to be even contemplating changing the manager. He will keep us in the league, at very least.
I am a bit worried about the 3 year deals given out to players who did `okay` in League One. Mehmet, Richie Hosler, Hamilton, Todd, possibly not good enough. Some of them are young though, so let`s hope it`s a learning season for them, and they can kick on.
The Board of Directors, more than the Manager, need to be the ones under a bit scrutiny now, in charge for a couple of years now, and we are where we were, no real improvement.
The crowds are great, Lifeline must still be giving us a huge advantage over other teams, Nisbet money must have landed with us, yet it`s hard to see where it`s been invested. The Rovers seem to have invested their money in a better team on the park, I`ve no idea how they can do that when you look at their crowds compared to us
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 24 Nov 23:17
There`s serious money getting chucked at it down Pratt Street.
We`re not even close
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 24 Nov 23:25
Quote:
stevemac, Fri 24 Nov 23:15
Struggling to find a worse performance since the 0-5 Hamilton game a fair few years ago.
Totally clueless.
St Mirren 4-0 in cup a few years back
Arbroath 3-0 at home 2 years ago under Grant
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Topic Originator: Gem 1977
Date: Fri 24 Nov 23:29
Quote:
da_no_1, Fri 24 Nov 23:17
There`s serious money getting chucked at it down Pratt Street.
We`re not even close
They can chuck it all they want. We`ve been there, done it, got the t-shirt.
Here's to the first of the day, fellas! To old D.H. Lawrence.
Neh! Neh! Neh! Fuh! Fuh! Fuh! Indians
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Topic Originator: Socks
Date: Fri 24 Nov 23:29
Firstly, I think it`s worth saying that the Rovers played well, because they really did. In the first half they were so quick all over the park and we couldn`t deal with it at all.
However, you always have to look at your own team. It`s absolutely not the time for McPake to be sacked and I hope folk might reconsider their views on that given a bit of time after the game. However, a lot of our problems tonight (as against Ayr) were down to the way he wanted us to play and he has to take responsibility for that.
I know I say this every time we try to play that way, but what the **** is the point of this shitey slow passing in our own half? It is not, in any way, good to watch but the worst thing about it is that it`s totally ineffective. What is he even thinking about, getting Chris Hamilton to be the one to take it out from the back? It`s surely obvious to everyone who`s watched this team over the last year that it`s not his thing.
In the first half, we were pressed really tight when we were trying to play that yet still we persisted and still we played poorly. What might be a weakness of a pressing game? Maybe a simple ball into the space it leaves in behind? I think we only attempted that once all game, when McCann got in behind early in the second half.
A big problem with that approach is that we always become totally passive and show no aggression whatsoever when we play that way. And, as it was when Grant and Hughes tried to get us to play that way, the mentality of playing `nice` football takes us away from doing the basics right. And we really, really need to start getting the basics right.
We played quite well at Stark`s for most of the game recently, and that was off the back of the last hopeless display against Ayr. And strangely enough, that last time against the Rovers we did try to be a bit more direct, played some simple balls up the line and forced them to defend. But tonight was back to the `be as indirect as possible` approach. Why? We got absolutely nowhere with it (as usual) but gave the ball away in bad areas 3 times (as usual). Surely that says it didn`t work. It just seems self-evident that it`s not a good way for us to play, hence why it frustrates me so much.
It doesn`t always have to be perfect or beautiful looking. Simple, percentage football is absolutely fine.
I`ll give him credit for changing to a back 4 after about half an hour and we did look a bit better after the change, as it stopped us getting completely ripped apart. And it was a bad time to lose the second goal (looked awful defending) when we did seem to be coming into it more. Frustrating that it came for a free kick when it looked a good tackle, but a ball pumped into your box from the centre circle is about as routine as it gets.
A difficulty he has is that Moffat often looks our only threat, but with the way the team is set up his problems on the defensive side really hurt and leave us so exposed. It`s similar to the Mochrie situati
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Topic Originator: Socks
Date: Fri 24 Nov 23:30
A difficulty he has is that Moffat often looks our only threat, but with the way the team is set up his problems on the defensive side really hurt and leave us so exposed. It`s similar to the Mochrie situation of last year, but it`s more of an issue now as we`re playing better teams.
It`s a difficult balance and it`s obviously been made much harder by missing so many important players so far. I`m sympathetic to that. But I`m not sympathetic to getting ripped apart due, in large part, to playing in that style.
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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1
Date: Fri 24 Nov 23:30
That performance was worse than any of the performances under Hughes or Grant
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Topic Originator: CrossPar
Date: Fri 24 Nov 23:33
That was as bad a performance as we have played all season but folk calling for Mcpake`s head is ridiculous. It is the first time Raith have outplayed us this season albeit they keep getting the results.
We have made some good signings and some poor ones. We released Todorov and O`Hara as they were deemed not good enough and we bring in O`Halloran and Jakubiak who are no better or worse. However, we have been plagued with injuries this season and our makeshift defence is showing signs of cracks, particularly when faced with an aerial presence. It also means we are playing midfielders in defence so our midfield suffers.
Up front, we are rotten. We weren`t great there last year and we are worse now in a higher league. This is, in my opinion, Mcpake`s biggest failing, though I am also wondering about the goalkeeping position after some poor goals conceded from both keepers we have used. Still way too early to press the panic button though. KRH and Todd are not yet up to full fitness. Still think they should have started the game today. Definitely missing Bene and Breen. Need to do much better in the next few games or it really will be panic stations. Striker situation seems to be a situation that only a signing will solve as all our guys ain`t good enough. Not easy to find someone in January though.
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Fri 24 Nov 23:33
I thought the "You`re not singing anymore" taunt from the NW was slightly bizarre since Raith were 1 nil up at the time and controlling the game. But at least they continued to support the team, which wasn`t the case with some of the foul-mouthed abuse in the Norrie, when we were only one down and still in with some chance of changing the outcome.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 24 Nov 23:34
Quote:
dafc-chris1, Fri 24 Nov 23:30
That performance was worse than any of the performances under Hughes or Grant
It`s just more recent.
The difference is that under those 2 clowns there were numerous bad performances.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: parathletic
Date: Fri 24 Nov 23:46
Raith were given so much time on the ball right from the off. We were so passive out of possession and just kept backing off them with nobody seeming keen to put a tackle in which was epitomised by the 1st goal.I`m not saying run around halfing boys but get tighter,close them down and let them know they are in a game.
We have conceded far and away the least fouls in the league this season, that`s not surprising if you don`t put any tackles in.
We weren`t very good in possession either, but at least do the basics and work from there.If you get outplayed sometimes you have to hold your hands up but it felt like they were outworking us too-especially 1st half.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 24 Nov 23:49
Quote:
dafc-chris1, Fri 24 Nov 23:30
That performance was worse than any of the performances under Hughes or Grant
No, it really wasnt
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Fri 24 Nov 23:49
Lies, damned lies and football stats.
Possession
Home54% - Away46%
Shots
Home7 - Away8
Shots on Target
Home4 - Away4
Corners
Home5 - Away0
Fouls
Home14 - Away6
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Fri 24 Nov 23:56
Quote:
Bletchley_Par, Fri 24 Nov 23:49
Lies, damned lies and football stats.
Possession
Home54% - Away46%
Shots
Home7 - Away8
Shots on Target
Home4 - Away4
Corners
Home5 - Away0
Fouls
Home14 - Away6
Home team goals 0
Away team goals 3
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Topic Originator: gordi-b
Date: Sat 25 Nov 00:00
What is really noticable is our total lack of any threat from corners and set pieces, we never take advantage of any of these situations
G.B
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Topic Originator: Neebur
Date: Sat 25 Nov 00:36
Quote:
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There`s serious money getting chucked at it down Pratt Street.
We`re not even close
Unless your mole is better than mine I,d say thats absolute drivel or you can produce financial stats
I think its more of a poor excuse for a horsing from what was a weakened side from along the road who out fought and out played us
Something is just not right at East End but cant put my finger on it
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Topic Originator: Bamba-Daft
Date: Sat 25 Nov 00:39
Quote:
gordi-b, Sat 25 Nov 00:00
What is really noticable is our total lack of any threat from corners and set pieces, we never take advantage of any of these situations
Infuriating because that’s atleast one thing Chalmers offers, a decent corner. Not much else mind you.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sat 25 Nov 00:45
The finger is easy. As has been said numerous times….our transfer window in the summer was a f*****g a joke. We will pay for that…
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 25 Nov 01:05
Quote:
Neebur, Sat 25 Nov 00:36
Quote:
17
There`s serious money getting chucked at it down Pratt Street.
We`re not even close
Unless your mole is better than mine I,d say thats absolute drivel or you can produce financial stats
I think its more of a poor excuse for a horsing from what was a weakened side from along the road who out fought and out played us
Something is just not right at East End but cant put my finger on it
Of course I can`t produce financial information. I`ve been told stuff in good faith and would never dream of blabbing on here. I know what I`ve heard and that`s good enough for me.
We didn`t get out-fought....that`s an extremely lazy thing to aim at players. The truth is they have better players all over the park. They recruited excellently in the summer whereas I actually think we`re worse off since the end of last season. Moffat apart none of our signings have done anything of note to suggest they`re better than what we released.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Sat 25 Nov 01:18)
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Sat 25 Nov 02:01
They had a makeshift defence and we didn’t even test them, a guy they signed on Wednesday and a centre mid at CB. No excuse though as they deserved it and wanted it more than us. Mcpake issue is that he was too loyal to players that got us relegated , there’s a reason mehmet didn’t get a game last time round at this level, honestly wouldn’t even play him at Sunday league he is rotten! That’s 3 goals he’s shipped in 6 games back, absolutely laughable. We’ve got 3 goalies and they are all as ***** as each other. Rovers have Stanton and Easton in the middle, we’ve got chalmers and Allan. Pretty much sums it up, too many players we’ve got that weren’t good enough last time in championship but because they were good against part time players all seemed to be forgotten. Survival this season then a clear out to get some actual championship quality in
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Topic Originator: NiallDAFC
Date: Sat 25 Nov 05:10
We arguably had a makeshift defence also with Otoo and Hamilton, neither of their best or preferred positions. Our 2 best CBs also out but no mention of that.
Rovers are streets ahead of us atm with the money their chucking at it. Probably have the strongest starting 11 in the league imo but they lack the quality in depth of Utd.
I just don’t get the meltdown from some of our fans, hopefully just the frustration of the result. Rovers had their full strength attack, an attack that’s scored plenty of goals this season. Yet it took some let’s say questionable free kick decisions and as a result, some poor goalkeeping for us to lose 3-0.
We’ve not looked any worse than the teams below us in the league, Ayr game aside. And have competed well against those above us, Partick game aside. We are a win away from the top 4 and all without having our strongest starting 11 available at any point so far.
If you can’t go to a game and support the young lads giving it their all for the club, and would rather shout abuse at the players and management then maybe just stay at home. It’ll be far better when their confidence is shattered and we go into a spiral, you’ll achieve your unfounded calls for McPakes demise and the whole plan goes oot the window.
If you’ve followed the pars for long enough and don’t get more excited by what we are trying to build, as opposed to the mismanagement and poor decisions the club has made over the last 2 decades, with the good times of the early 2000s and the fight to get back there that almost killed us a distant memory. Then what’s the point in it all?
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 25 Nov 07:33
I`d be astonished if we stick with this 5 at the back formation on Tuesday. Go back to a standard 442
Anyone in goal as they both look as shaky as each other
Edwards
O`Too
Fisher
Comrie
Moff
Todd
Hamilton
KRH
any 2 of the bad bunch we have.
We have 2 centre half injured so why not change back we have had to change mid game in the last 2 as we were totally inadequate and overwhelmed in all areas. If we don`t adapt to our situation then what`s the point.
Tuesday is ever more important now with the league our only focus. Improvement required.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 25 Nov 07:56
Quote:
da_no_1, Sat 25 Nov 01:05
Quote:
Neebur, Sat 25 Nov 00:36
Quote:
17
There`s serious money getting chucked at it down Pratt Street.
We`re not even close
Unless your mole is better than mine I,d say thats absolute drivel or you can produce financial stats
I think its more of a poor excuse for a horsing from what was a weakened side from along the road who out fought and out played us
Something is just not right at East End but cant put my finger on it
Of course I can`t produce financial information. I`ve been told stuff in good faith and would never dream of blabbing on here. I know what I`ve heard and that`s good enough for me.
We didn`t get out-fought....that`s an extremely lazy thing to aim at players. The truth is they have better players all over the park. They recruited excellently in the summer whereas I actually think we`re worse off since the end of last season. Moffat apart none of our signings have done anything of note to suggest they`re better than what we released.
I can say 100% they are splashing the cash. Very much early 2000s Pars approach...and we know how that ended.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 25 Nov 08:00
Talk of that being the worst performance since under Grant and yogi….
Could it be because 5 of the starting 11 last night were regulars that season? 6 if you include Allan. Can anyone honestly say any of those players have improved?
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sat 25 Nov 08:08
I’ve just sat through the whole game again on the iPlayer.
Raith better all over the pictch, I’m afraid. Ross Millen and Sam Stanton strolled it and they were excellent in the forward areas.
Some folks saying that was as bad a performance as the days of Grant and Hughes. Absolutely not.
I thought we were worse against an average Ayr side. Raith are a much better outfit than them.
We improved second half without really threatening.
The goals we lost were all avoidable and you can’t afford to give goals away so easily against good sides.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 25 Nov 08:13
Was it that young a team last night?
Mehmet 31
Comrie 26
Hamilton 22
Edwards 23
Fisher 22
Otoo 21
Chalmers 29
Allan 23
Moffat 21
Mccann 22
Jak 27
Moffat, fisher and otoo are quite raw for their age in terms of first team games. Theres no teenagers near the team and aside from that the others all have at least a few seasons under their belt.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Sat 25 Nov 08:26
Worrying form we are in already, the back 5 needs ditched and doesn’t work especially when your only midfielder with a bit of dig and will put a tackle in is at CB. Raith allowed far too much time on the ball and weren’t really pressed at any point. Don’t think it’s a lack of effort, just not really good enough. 4 wins all season , 2 against a woeful Morton side and Queen’s Park aren’t much better
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sat 25 Nov 08:54
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Sat 25 Nov 08:08
I’ve just sat through the whole game again on the iPlayer.
Raith better all over the pictch, I’m afraid. Ross Millen and Sam Stanton strolled it and they were excellent in the forward areas.
Some folks saying that was as bad a performance as the days of Grant and Hughes. Absolutely not.
I thought we were worse against an average Ayr side. Raith are a much better outfit than them.
We improved second half without really threatening.
The goals we lost were all avoidable and you can’t afford to give goals away so easily against good sides.
How I seen it was they had us chasing shadows until the formation change. After that we nullified the threats but because moffat was now out wide we had zero threat of own.
Todd and KRH were the right changes to try an establish a threat but the two quickfire goals changed the mentality of both teams.
That being said we could`ve played for 4 hours yesterday and wouldn`t have scored once.
There`s not alot mcpake did wrong during the game.
The line up, formation and game plan before hand can be questioned.
I suspect the management team will come out saying " we got it wrong"
They are also learning their trade.
I still have faith
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Topic Originator: par_33
Date: Sat 25 Nov 09:03
Everybody looked miles aff it tonight. Moffat has spells where he looked tricky but that’s about it. Otoo tried to take the game by the scruff of the neck at points but didn’t pay off. Hats off for trying.
Mehmet is a complete fraud, sing a song all you like about the guy. There was a reason he hadn’t hardly held down a first team spot at a club before us and we are finding out now why. He held us for more money in the summer cause he thought he was a world beater after last season when in fact, the reality was, he was never challenged drastically in League 1. 3 year deal too!? Who sanctioned that?! As for him coming out n giving Moffat absolute dogs abuse after the 3rd goal. Bang out of order.
Back to the drawing board for Tuesday, must win. Back to basics.
Sharp
Comrie
Hamilton
Fisher
Edwards
KRH
Otoo
Todd
Moffat
Wighton
McCann
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Sat 25 Nov 09:09
The 3rd goal was completely the keepers fault, can’t blame anyone else.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 25 Nov 09:14
The manager admitted Raith surprised him with their formation but shouldn`t we be trying to impose our own way of playing instead of reacting to what we think the opposition will do?
Last night was woeful but there`s the usual over-reaction on here after a reverse. Just about every player in the squad has been blamed, even some who weren`t playing. If we have so many League 1 players how have we managed to amass 14 points already despite injuries to key players? The last three games have been against the form teams in this League and we did at least match ICT.
I did have concerns about our home form because even last season we struggled to open up teams that sat in and it`s even more difficult this season because teams are slicker on the break in this League. That`s a puzzle McPake has still to solve. I don`t think we can depend on wing backs to do it.
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Topic Originator: Bod1004
Date: Sat 25 Nov 09:15
We defo need to get rid of the slow, slow build up play, Mcpake needs to build a team that can press quicker and harder, we are never going anywhere with, Chalmers, and Allan in midfield, as they sit far too deep and let teams on to us, also need a striker that their second touch isn’t a tackle, and can actually strike a ball cleanly, otherwise we will never score enough goals as the midfield doesn’t contribute enough,
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Sat 25 Nov 09:20
Rovers had injuries and players suspended and managed to absolutely stroll it no bother.
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Topic Originator: DJAS
Date: Sat 25 Nov 09:22
Quote:
parsfan97, Sat 25 Nov 09:20
Rovers had injuries and players suspended and managed to absolutely stroll it no bother.
Correct. CH just in the door and other is naturally a midfielder and we never laid a glove on them.
Predictor league winner 2012/2013
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sat 25 Nov 09:35
Dennis ****** is not confident with the ball at his feet. And that is paramount to the system of playing from the back.
The days of playing your own style and not caring about the opponents is long gone.
Football has became more fluid with two or 3 formations in play with or without the ball etc.
We have alot of the pieces in place.
Last night was a bad day at the office
Post Edited (Sat 25 Nov 10:07)
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Sat 25 Nov 09:39
Quote:
DJAS, Sat 25 Nov 09:22
Quote:
parsfan97, Sat 25 Nov 09:20
Rovers had injuries and players suspended and managed to absolutely stroll it no bother.
Correct. CH just in the door and other is naturally a midfielder and we never laid a glove on them.
Tbf as much as one is "naturally" a CDM, he has been playing the majority of this season if not all of it at CB
COYP
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Topic Originator: DJAS
Date: Sat 25 Nov 09:47
Quote:
shellypar, Sat 25 Nov 09:39
Quote:
DJAS, Sat 25 Nov 09:22
Quote:
parsfan97, Sat 25 Nov 09:20
Rovers had injuries and players suspended and managed to absolutely stroll it no bother.
Correct. CH just in the door and other is naturally a midfielder and we never laid a glove on them.
Tbf as much as one is "naturally" a CDM, he has been playing the majority of this season if not all of it at CB
Tbf so has Hamilton.
Predictor league winner 2012/2013
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 25 Nov 09:52
Quote:
Berkey, Sat 25 Nov 08:13
Was it that young a team last night?
Mehmet 31
Comrie 26
Hamilton 22
Edwards 23
Fisher 22
Otoo 21
Chalmers 29
Allan 23
Moffat 21
Mccann 22
Jak 27
Moffat, fisher and otoo are quite raw for their age in terms of first team games. Theres no teenagers near the team and aside from that the others all have at least a few seasons under their belt.
Average age of 24, bumped up by Mehmet and Chalmers, so pretty young Id say. The experience also questionable especially at CB. Lack of game time for some other players too. Its still no excuse though as McPake should be on top of this and setting up in a better way to suit them. We dont need 3 at the back with no Bene as the rest of them have some pace about them.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sat 25 Nov 10:17
Quote:
weemike, Sat 25 Nov 09:35
Dennis ****** is not confident with the ball at his feet. And that is paramount to the system of playing from the back.
The days of playing your own style and not caring about the opponents is long gone.
Football has became more fluid with two or 3 formations in play with or without the ball etc.
We have alot of the pieces in place.
Last night was a bad day at the office
Black Friday would be appropriate !!!
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Sat 25 Nov 11:05
Quote:
DJAS, Sat 25 Nov 09:47
Quote:
shellypar, Sat 25 Nov 09:39
Quote:
DJAS, Sat 25 Nov 09:22
Quote:
parsfan97, Sat 25 Nov 09:20
Rovers had injuries and players suspended and managed to absolutely stroll it no bother.
Correct. CH just in the door and other is naturally a midfielder and we never laid a glove on them.
Tbf as much as one is "naturally" a CDM, he has been playing the majority of this season if not all of it at CB
Tbf so has Hamilton.
Only recently and only as cover, it seems that murray may well have converted brown to CB, theres a difference there
COYP
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Topic Originator: gordi-b
Date: Sat 25 Nov 11:43
We are going nowhere with a midfield containing Chalmers and Allen neither are ball winners and continually play backwards and Mcpakes idea that Mcann is going to make a striker beggars belief he does his best work out wide not through the middle , as for the goalkeeping situation as soon as Mehmet was fit he was straight back in , at least Harry Sharp would come for a cross and his distribution was better than Mehmet who can hardly reach halfway with hiscl clearances
G.B
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Sat 25 Nov 12:11
We simply didn’t have the keys to change the system that Raith posed last night. Our front line were very disappointing.
All huff and puff with fingers pointing and shrugs of the shoulders which is a major concern going ahead.
Good players do something proactive to change things on the park. We seemed to have front players who have no connection with each other.
Our big game players like Matty Todd, KRH when they came on need to up their games and grab it by the scruff of the neck.
It is clear we are at a big gulf in class between us and the top two in the league.
Our aims now are playoff place and for the management team to identify players in the long term who can get us out of the league.
Too good for league one.
Very average in the Championship
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: gordi-b
Date: Sat 25 Nov 12:34
A lot of faith was placed on the return of Matty and Kane , both were great in the 1st div but this is a different level and both will have to find their feet in the championship, which will take time which i hope we have
G.B
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Sat 25 Nov 12:39
Rovers were the better side. We have players who performed well in the lower league but will need a full season in this division. Injuries haven`t helped.
In the cold light of day, that was a pòor performance in a derby cup competition.
You have to call it out for what it is.
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Topic Originator: Lucho_8
Date: Sat 25 Nov 13:15
Soon as you press us and don’t give us a second on the ball. We can’t handle it and it’s game over.
Ayr done it to us in the first half at EEP and completely dominated us.
Same thing last night.
I can’t every recall us, under any manager with any team as far back as I can remember having a team capable of being able to do the same.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 25 Nov 13:28
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Indiapar, Sat 25 Nov 12:39
Rovers were the better side. We have players who performed well in the lower league but will need a full season in this division. Injuries haven`t helped.
In the cold light of day, that was a pòor performance in a derby cup competition.
You have to call it out for what it is.
You`d hope that a team who we were all told by everyone at the club and pundits that were going to win the championship would be good enough to win league 1.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Pingfaesaline
Date: Sat 25 Nov 14:48
The midfield can only pass sideways and
backwards as no one upfront looking for it and even if they do, IT COMES STRAIGHT BACK from them. They are frustrated as much as the fans, you can see that from there demeanor.
Really bad day at the office all round. Onwards and upwards for Tuesday. Need the fans to rally round at this time without negativity. Jo
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 25 Nov 18:45
It’s hard to stay positive when the team sheet comes out and we’re trying the same old schtick with the same players and wandering why we still look devoid of ideas and goals.
Problem is mcpake has signed and kept so many league 1 level players we have no choice but to hope this week it’s one of their ‘good’ games or the opposition don’t take their chances.
Post Edited (Sat 25 Nov 18:52)
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 25 Nov 18:52
Quote:
Berkey, Sat 25 Nov 18:45
It’s hard to stay positive when the team sheet comes out and we’re trying the same old schtick with the same players and wandering why we still look devoid of ideas and goals.
Problem is mcpake has signed and kept so many league 1 level players we have no choice but to hope this week it’s one of their ‘good’ games or the opposition don’t turn up.
We are bloody 5th for god sakes 😂😂 hard to stay positive whilst sitting top half with a team that you call duds…..imagine we actually started playing well 🙄🙄
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 25 Nov 19:00
We`re still waiting for that elusive first positive post from the grumpiest Pars` fan on the forum. Goodness knows what pleasure he gets out of following them.
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Topic Originator: GG4
Date: Sat 25 Nov 19:08
Another 🔔🔚. Sigh.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 25 Nov 19:18
Do you enjoy abusing people online?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: GG4
Date: Sun 26 Nov 16:07
Away and boil your head moron.
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Topic Originator: chris1883
Date: Sun 26 Nov 18:58
As a rovers fan I did enjoy that performance and result. I do strongly believe that it wasn`t *that* bad for you though.
Firstly, it was the cup. In the league games the gulf has been nowhere near as big.
Secondly, you were just promoted back into the league. You aren`t going to win it or even challenge (please beat Dundee United a couple of times though), your aim should be to stay up and then build on that. I do believe that you will stay up.
In terms of the teams - I can see a difference in class. Rovers have a shallow squad, clearly they have invested in better first-team players than squad depth and that worries me. The Dunfermline team needs work. Sadly there isn`t a huge amount of quality out there to bring in so McPake will need to work with what he has... and I do believe that can be done. Lets face it - you will be very fortunate if you can bring in a proven goal scorer
What I see when I look at your highlights is a team that is lacking in confidence and belief. I have watch so many `almost` goals from the Pars this season - be it the woodwork or taking the wrong touch. That will play on players minds and it must feel like scoring a goal is almost impossible at times. Your team needs good support more than anything at the moment IMO. Less of the boo`s and more encouragement (although it can be hard).
I also don`t think changing the manager will do anything. Firstly the cost to get rid and then hire someone new. Seriously, is there a free manager out there you would want?
Keep the faith! I doubt Rovers will be able to get above United, and I doubt you`ll go down... so four more derbys next season will do nicely.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 26 Nov 19:06
That just about sums things up - a Rovers` fan who is more optimistic about the Pars than many of our own fans!
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sun 26 Nov 20:32
Quote:
chris1883, Sun 26 Nov 18:58
As a rovers fan I did enjoy that performance and result. I do strongly believe that it wasn`t *that* bad for you though.
Firstly, it was the cup. In the league games the gulf has been nowhere near as big.
Secondly, you were just promoted back into the league. You aren`t going to win it or even challenge (please beat Dundee United a couple of times though), your aim should be to stay up and then build on that. I do believe that you will stay up.
In terms of the teams - I can see a difference in class. Rovers have a shallow squad, clearly they have invested in better first-team players than squad depth and that worries me. The Dunfermline team needs work. Sadly there isn`t a huge amount of quality out there to bring in so McPake will need to work with what he has... and I do believe that can be done. Lets face it - you will be very fortunate if you can bring in a proven goal scorer
What I see when I look at your highlights is a team that is lacking in confidence and belief. I have watch so many `almost` goals from the Pars this season - be it the woodwork or taking the wrong touch. That will play on players minds and it must feel like scoring a goal is almost impossible at times. Your team needs good support more than anything at the moment IMO. Less of the boo`s and more encouragement (although it can be hard).
I also don`t think changing the manager will do anything. Firstly the cost to get rid and then hire someone new. Seriously, is there a free manager out there you would want?
Keep the faith! I doubt Rovers will be able to get above United, and I doubt you`ll go down... so four more derbys next season will do nicely.
Can`t disagree there
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 26 Nov 21:05
I seem to recall in the summer a lot of chat about needing a striker, needing a midfielder, needing a whatever position anyone could think of. What was always lacking was names. Since Brexit, it`s been more difficult to get players in. If the Scottish Premier teams and lower league English teams have to "make do" with local talent, that means fewer players for us to pick from.
Dunfermline are a fairly big club by Scottish standards. We`re well supported, we`re developing a pretty neat set up. However, we`re newly promoted into the Championship and up against both established Championship teams and pretty wealthy ex-Premiership teams.
We`re not going to go up this season so the goal should be to avoid relegation and establish a solid foundation of a championship team. I know that sounds like it lacks ambition but we`re not going to get promoted with Dundee Utd in the league. If we reach the play offs then that`s fantastic but let`s take a bit of pressure off here. We`re due a bit of luck tbh and all the moaning and booing is clearly getting to the players. How well would anyone in here perform at work if people were stood behind them telling them they`re cack?
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 26 Nov 21:08
Quote:
jake89, Sun 26 Nov 21:05
I seem to recall in the summer a lot of chat about needing a striker, needing a midfielder, needing a whatever position anyone could think of. What was always lacking was names. Since Brexit, it`s been more difficult to get players in. If the Scottish Premier teams and lower league English teams have to "make do" with local talent, that means fewer players for us to pick from.
Dunfermline are a fairly big club by Scottish standards. We`re well supported, we`re developing a pretty neat set up. However, we`re newly promoted into the Championship and up against both established Championship teams and pretty wealthy ex-Premiership teams.
We`re not going to go up this season so the goal should be to avoid relegation and establish a solid foundation of a championship team. I know that sounds like it lacks ambition but we`re not going to get promoted with Dundee Utd in the league. If we reach the play offs then that`s fantastic but let`s take a bit of pressure off here. We`re due a bit of luck tbh and all the moaning and booing is clearly getting to the players. How well would anyone in here perform at work if people were stood behind them telling them they`re cack?
👏👏👏
The players always say how much they appreciate our backing. Let`s stay with them. They need us
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 26 Nov 21:10
Quote:
jake89, Sun 26 Nov 21:05
I seem to recall in the summer a lot of chat about needing a striker, needing a midfielder, needing a whatever position anyone could think of. What was always lacking was names. Since Brexit, it`s been more difficult to get players in. If the Scottish Premier teams and lower league English teams have to "make do" with local talent, that means fewer players for us to pick from.
Theres also the fact that everyone since COVID, from the English Prem down to Scottish League 2 now has bigger benches….meaning clubs need bugger squads and youth players are more likely to stay with parent clubs rather than go out on loans etc as more chance of being in match day squads
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sun 26 Nov 22:38
Livi away... ah well, at least we didn`t miss out on a money-spinning tie.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Mon 27 Nov 13:40
The numbers are done alphabetically so we would have been number 14 and everyone else would have been one number higher until Rangers in 28. So we (14) would have been away to Bonnyrigg Rose which is what Falkirk got.
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Mon 27 Nov 14:08
The numbers are done alphabetically so we would have been number 14 and everyone else would have been one number higher until Rangers in 28. So we (14) would have been away to Bonnyrigg Rose which is what Falkirk got.
True, although had we won, we might not have given permission for Taylor Sutherland to play for Bonnyrigg, they might not have won, and the draw would have been different again.
Post Edited (Mon 27 Nov 14:13)
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Mon 27 Nov 16:29
Whilst I appreciate that we are new to this league and we need to continue building, there a nagging worry for me about the experienced pro’s we have brought in and that we have kept.
We have clearly invested in youth and we are all hoping KRH comes onto a game and otoo, fisher, breen and Todd find their feet at this level alongside blooding some young loans and continuing to persevere with Allan and McCann
With this approach we need the experienced players to step up when the youngsters have dips in form. But the problem we have is that those
Experienced players don’t actually appear to be good enough to do this (bene aside)
We have also invested in at least 2 year deals for mehmet, chalmers, wighton, and o’hallaron, presumably on the basis they would really make a difference on the pitch and would be mainstays of the team. If we don’t get the experienced players right it threatens to undermine our attempts to improve, espech when it doesn’t feel like the budget is there for too many experienced pro’s. Will these guys help us improve as a team next year or is the pressure on for the youngsters to improve and lift the team?
Will be interesting to see if there’s any money to “strengthen” in January. I just hope mcpake signs someone who actually improves us this time.
Post Edited (Mon 27 Nov 16:41)
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Topic Originator: sammy_shuffle
Date: Mon 27 Nov 17:02
Was at the game Friday night and recorded it to watch. As disappointed as everyone else with the result and what I thought was the performance. Fair play to the Rovers who played some good stuff and deserved to win.
Decided to watch the recording dispassionately and I don`t think our performance was as bad as I thought on the night.
We had our spells and played some good stuff. Rovers got the bounce of the ball for the second and Deniz will want to forget the third. Whether it was a free kick is a moot point.
Anyway we all need to cool our jets and get behind the team.
Yes our more experienced summer signings have been a tad disappointing but hopefully will come good soon.
I believe we need to find an experienced central defender as cover in the window. A goalscorer would be good but unlikely.
Matty and Kane getting the minutes in as well.
Anyway it`s not all doom and gloom. Good chance of 6 points in the next two games.
Here`s hoping. Coyp.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 27 Nov 19:07
Far too sensible.
Edited - as I should know better
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Mon 27 Nov 19:11)
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Tue 28 Nov 14:58
Quote:
sammy_shuffle, Mon 27 Nov 17:02
Was at the game Friday night and recorded it to watch. As disappointed as everyone else with the result and what I thought was the performance. Fair play to the Rovers who played some good stuff and deserved to win.
Decided to watch the recording dispassionately and I don`t think our performance was as bad as I thought on the night.
We had our spells and played some good stuff. Rovers got the bounce of the ball for the second and Deniz will want to forget the third. Whether it was a free kick is a moot point.
Anyway we all need to cool our jets and get behind the team.
Yes our more experienced summer signings have been a tad disappointing but hopefully will come good soon.
I believe we need to find an experienced central defender as cover in the window. A goalscorer would be good but unlikely.
Matty and Kane getting the minutes in as well.
Anyway it`s not all doom and gloom. Good chance of 6 points in the next two games.
Here`s hoping. Coyp.
Top post, Sammy.
Win this evening and we go 4th, so there will be 6 teams wishing they had as many points as us. 🙂
Not your average Sunday League player.
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