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Topic Originator: Murchadh
Date: Fri 24 Nov 22:22
I’m embarrassed to be back!
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 24 Nov 22:25
Hello 😃😃
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Topic Originator: Parfect69
Date: Fri 24 Nov 23:58
Deary me
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Topic Originator: Gaz3822
Date: Sat 25 Nov 07:20
Steady.....
But, Shoogly nail time.
Not strengthening might come back to bite his bum.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 25 Nov 08:03
He’s not going anywhere but he only signed ‘experienced’ players that he or his assistant had worked with before.
He’s got to be wandering why they are not doing anything to pay him back.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 25 Nov 09:32
This forum needs put to sleep.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 25 Nov 09:37
Quote:
Berkey, Sat 25 Nov 08:03
He’s not going anywhere but he only signed ‘experienced’ players that he or his assistant had worked with before.
He’s got to be wandering why they are not doing anything to pay him back.
Didnt realise that KRH and Otoo were experienced players 🤔😂 or Fisher for that matter
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Topic Originator: evo!
Date: Sat 25 Nov 10:35
Oh no, mcfake? We got a manager with one of those names
MC (f)pale said pre season aim was to consolidate, and I sorta hoped he was under playing it, butbya no what maybe he was right
BEAST!
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Topic Originator: KirklistonPar
Date: Sat 25 Nov 11:24
I don’t want McPake to go and I don’t believe he will. We desperately need someone who can get the ball in the back of the net. Our build up play can be great then completely breakdown or we miss a sitter. This will be starting to affect the confidence in the squad. Hopefully we can get a player in the January window that can help us turn the goal drought round. Until then we’re just gonna need to hang in there and try not to give away the first goal. As this is adding extra pressure on the strikers. Certain players in our squad should be nowhere near a championship club that want to push for promotion. I’m sure we can turn it around and the board/manager and coach’s are all trying their hardest but, ultimately it all comes down to money and does the player want to come to the Pars.
It’s certainly gonna make tense and exciting second half of the season.
COYP!!
Post Edited (Sat 25 Nov 11:27)
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Sat 25 Nov 13:00
Mcpake is going nowhere thankfully. Tough results like last night will make us better in the long run. All about establishing ourselves back at this level this season. Its clear there are 3-4 players that are simply not good enough for the championship and I imagine that we will add 1-2 in the January window. We miss Benny badly, the man is crucial to our style of play and his leadership can’t be replaced easily.
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Topic Originator: GG4
Date: Sat 25 Nov 13:19
Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 25 Nov 09:32
This forum needs put to sleep.
Toddle off then and give the rest of us peace from you then. You won`t be missed 🔔🔚
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Topic Originator: hudza
Date: Sat 25 Nov 13:27
Couple of poor performances and dodgy signings but overall McPake has done a very good job wi the Pars.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 25 Nov 13:36
Quote:
GG4, Sat 25 Nov 13:19
Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 25 Nov 09:32
This forum needs put to sleep.
Toddle off then and give the rest of us peace from you then. You won`t be missed 🔔🔚
Insightful
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 25 Nov 13:45
Aye cos changing the manager halfway through the season always works.
Idiots.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: PARadise
Date: Sat 25 Nov 14:58
The only way Mcpake will be out is if a bigger club come and take him.
Thankfully the people running the club are calm and level headed enough to not chop and change managers constantly.
We need to improve yes, but we have a good thing going and Mcpake has already in his short time in management dealt with adversity well with his time in Dundee.
I get that folk are raging about yesterday but what comes very apparent in situations like this is that a large amount of football supporters really know f@
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Topic Originator: The moose
Date: Sat 25 Nov 15:47
Quote:
PARadise, Sat 25 Nov 14:58
The only way Mcpake will be out is if a bigger club come and take him.
Thankfully the people running the club are calm and level headed enough to not chop and change managers constantly.
We need to improve yes, but we have a good thing going and Mcpake has already in his short time in management dealt with adversity well with his time in Dundee.
I get that folk are raging about yesterday but what comes very apparent in situations like this is that a large amount of football supporters really know f@
I totally agree but their has to be a better transfer window in January.
I`ve been a Pars supporter for 50 years and last night was total a shambles
Players and management need to take a good look at themselves.
😞
BCM
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Topic Originator: Livingston Par
Date: Sat 25 Nov 18:29
Bet you wouldn’t say that to his face.
After last season he still has a good bit of credit yet I would say.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Sat 25 Nov 18:38
I think it`s stretching it too far to suggest the manager should go. It was a poor performance for sure. Rivers were the better side and on that performance will push Utd to the wire. I thought before the game this one would be a thermometer for the remainder of our season. Realistically we need to be aiming for the top half of the league. Like others I think that we need to bring a couple in over January based on our recent performances.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 25 Nov 18:38
If he keeps offering 3 year deals to players who can’t play at this level the board won’t have much choice. He’ll be making it a no brainer.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: gordi-b
Date: Sat 25 Nov 18:51
Not too keen on the "Mcpake Out " headline but that could change we have had our fair share of injuries etc but surely the manager can recognise whether a player can cut it in the championship or not, unfortunately we have players on long deals who are bang average , we have no ball winners or players who are capable of turning a game our way our striking situation is we dont have a striker with Moffat being the only player williing to have pop. and the Goalkeeping situation is going to be our undoing with a vote of no confidence in them all, although i do think we should have persevered with Harry Sharp
G.B
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Topic Originator: parathletic
Date: Sat 25 Nov 18:55
Sharp is away in January unless the initial deal has been extended?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 25 Nov 18:55
Hamilton and Otoo are competent ball-winners when they are available for midfield. Sharp has hardly been error-free.
Post Edited (Sat 25 Nov 19:01)
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 25 Nov 19:08
Gordi my worry is he knows chalmers, Moffat and Allan are not ball winners but he went with it anyway. Not quite sure how Allan has managed to still be under contract with us. Plenty of us had reservations about chalmers when he signed the 2 year deal in the summer, lack of pace and physicality would leave him exposed this season. If the fans can see it why can’t mcpake?
He should have had the nouse to put otoo or Hamilton in there and dropped Allan. Yes that might have meant a change to the formation but at least we might have been able to win the ball back more often.
Wighton now on a 2 year deal and has been so poor he’s been dropped for a guy who so far doesn’t look like he can play football. O’hallaran looks like a busted flush. The keeper is in crisis same as last time we were at this level.
So with wighton, chalmers, o’hallaran and mehmet here next year how much wages will there be for experienced players to supplement the youngsters? No one will take these guys off us.
Post Edited (Sat 25 Nov 19:41)
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sat 25 Nov 19:17
Chalmers gets a lot of stick but Allan is not any better
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Topic Originator: gordi-b
Date: Sat 25 Nov 20:36
Rigger Al wrote:
> Chalmers gets a lot of stick but Allan is not any better
Neither are championship level . barely 1st division
G.B
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Topic Originator: piepar
Date: Sat 25 Nov 20:36
We got our tatties Friday for sure and it pains me to say how good rovers looked. Do we really want to go back down the route of another manager and back to eleven mercenaries every other season?
I believe James is building a squad who will have loyalty to the club and will stick together improving as we go.
A young squad needs time to mature, results like Friday are bound to happen. Once Matty and Kane recover their match fitness we will see further improvement
I was also disappointed at the booing at the end of the match - I believe the relationship between the players and the fans is important and we don’t want to lose this. Kudos to the boys in the NW for this support - it’s been enjoyable seeing this grow.
Come on ye pars !
Post Edited (Sat 25 Nov 20:58)
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Topic Originator: back oh the net
Date: Sat 25 Nov 21:23
Quote:
piepar, Sat 25 Nov 20:36
We got our tatties Friday for sure and it pains me to say how good rovers looked. Do we really want to go back down the route of another manager and back to eleven mercenaries every other season?
I believe James is building a squad who will have loyalty to the club and will stick together improving as we go.
A young squad needs time to mature, results like Friday are bound to happen. Once Matty and Kane recover their match fitness we will see further improvement
I was also disappointed at the booing at the end of the match - I believe the relationship between the players and the fans is important and we don’t want to lose this. Kudos to the boys in the NW for this support - it’s been enjoyable seeing this grow.
Come on ye pars !
Post Edited (Sat 25 Nov 20:58)
Raith only looked good last night because we made them look good but then that’s not difficult when you offer up nothing in way of attacking football this tippy tappy p!sh miles out from goal allowing the opposition to track back and defend the box before we try and get it wide is killing us then we resort to trying to walk the ball into the net but then In saying that Ian Murray played a blinder when we brought KRH on by shifting Dylan Easton to that side apart from the incident when smith pulled KRH down and got booked they marked him out the game as for Lewis McCann the sooner someone is daft enough to come in and buy him the better
Come on ye pars ⚽️
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Sat 25 Nov 21:30
The Rovers were far superior all over the pitch, we were brutal. We couldn’t even pass a ball never mind back track etc.
I watch the 1st team train at Pitreavie sometimes and it’s all with a music player…fek that and concentrate on your job ffs! Time to roll up the sleeves and get to work on the team.
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 25 Nov 22:23
I don`t want to see a change in management, but we must bring in some specialist coaching for the forward line. Positioning and finishing are obvious shortcomings, but a particular focus should be on link play between the midfield and attack. These areas need to be addressed urgently.
And, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, please place a player wide on the far side when we take a corner. The number of opportunities we lose by failing to do this is beyond ridiculous.
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Topic Originator: gegganpar
Date: Sat 25 Nov 22:42
Don`t get this `ROVERS ARE A SUPERIOR SIDE CRAP`.
in 4 games it`s the first time they`ve been better and deserved the win.
On that performance the pars would have struggled against Lourenzo Legends from super 7s at pitreavie.
J angus blacklaws
Post Edited (Sat 25 Nov 22:51)
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Sat 25 Nov 23:06
Statements like `He can`t play at this level` are completely evidence free. What is `that level?` Define it please.
Many moons ago Johann Cruyff was mooching around the Ajax pitches and he spotted a useful outside right on the 3rd pitch. `Put him up.` said the great man.
`To the second pitch?` they asked?
`NO! To the first pitch. He has a football brain and he will play better with good players.`
That was Dennis Bergkampf. So he was out of his depth? Of course not. He adapted to the level required although it was only a Arsenal he showed he true ability. But Cruyff saw that certain something in a teenager.
Bene has been the biggest loss to the Pars, both as an organiser of the defence and as a leader in the Barry/McCathie mould. When hew returns things will become better. He is McKape on the park.
sammer
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Sun 26 Nov 09:41
I think we do miss Bene, but I think the concern is the lack of goals. We have relied on Moffat more recently. We are too static and predictable upfront I think. Rovers were very mobile in the top third of the pitch and changed t the pace and movement of the ball to create chances. I don`t recall the Rovers keeper making many saves if any.
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Topic Originator: bigdonnie
Date: Sun 26 Nov 10:27
i think if we lose to dire arbroath mob on tuesday fans will demand mcpake gets sacked so lets hope for a win unbelievably in over year and a half if pars scored first we never lost its getting that first goal thats killing us if we get it we relax a bit and play good football
donald mcneil
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Topic Originator: par_33
Date: Sun 26 Nov 11:19
Can’t say I’ve seen Paul Allan have a stinker yet. But Chalmers brings him down to his level, the young guy has to cover n try mop up when sleepy Chalmers gets caught up with the ball.
Put Allan in a midfield with Otoo n Todd and I think we’d be onto a winner.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sun 26 Nov 12:06
"Don`t get this `ROVERS ARE A SUPERIOR SIDE CRAP`."
They`re second top of the league, look the only challengers to Dundee Utd and have beaten us the last three times we`ve played them including twice at East End. Of course they`re a superior side.
"Statements like `He can`t play at this level` are completely evidence free. What is `that level?` Define it please."
This level clearly refers to the Scottish Championship. Surely that doesn`t need spelling out? As to evidence, if we look at the last 3 seasons of Chalmers In this division and the last 2 of Mehmet playing in the Championship you`ll see guys who were pretty rank rotten, whether that was because they couldn`t maintain a reasonable level, lost confidence, didn`t have the pace or quality to perform well in this division or because they didn`t have the mental capacity to play consistently in this league. There`s plenty of evidence to suggest both those players are solid to good League One players but very little to suggest the same in the Championship. With the likes of Todd, he`s had game time in this division and looked OK in a different position so there`s a confidence that he`ll be good in his preferred position. Ritchie-Hosler hasn`t played in this league until this season so it`s hard to tell how he`ll do given he`s had injuries.
"Can’t say I’ve seen Paul Allan have a stinker yet. But Chalmers brings him down to his level, the young guy has to cover n try mop up when sleepy Chalmers gets caught up with the ball."
Aye, I find it hard to be super critical of Allan when a lot of his games have been alongside Chalmers and they don`t work well together. In the games when Allan played with Otoo I thought he was fine, and that suggests there`s something to your statement. Of course I`ll be accused of "having it in for" Chalmers and I guess there`s also some truth in that as I don`t rate him at all, certainly not to the heights that some folk do.
Post Edited (Sun 26 Nov 12:50)
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 26 Nov 12:12
Quote:
Indiapar, Sun 26 Nov 09:41
I think we do miss Bene, but I think the concern is the lack of goals. We have relied on Moffat more recently. We are too static and predictable upfront I think. Rovers were very mobile in the top third of the pitch and changed t the pace and movement of the ball to create chances. I don`t recall the Rovers keeper making many saves if any.
Aye, the Raith keeper didnt make a save all night…..except from Moffats shot, a Fisher header and a penalty save……but yeah he didnt make a save 😂😂
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 26 Nov 13:15
I wonder how many of those criticising the manager and their favourite scapegoats were among those who said we had no chance of getting promoted last season and would struggle to avoid relegation this season? We`ve actually made a decent start to the League despite missing a number of key players. How have we managed it with so many players who are apparently not of the required standard?
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sun 26 Nov 14:09
Trolls who only turn up on the forum to post this crap are doing it for one reason only, Wee Eck.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 26 Nov 14:24
I don`t think they are all trolls, buffy, but there are posters who are more likely to appear after a poor performance than a good one.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 26 Nov 14:40
There are posters who are NOWHERE to be seen when we win and all over every thread on the forum when we lose.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 26 Nov 15:00
They`re like vultures looking for a carcass.
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Sun 26 Nov 15:02
da no 1 you are correct when we win the team never gets the credit ,
Many people come on here to have ago at the team and usually say we were lucky !
Considering the Injuries we have endured the team we have had to put out of late have done ok ,
Like most other people say the biggest problem is we have key players out of important positions and others are being shoe horned in to fit the formation , but I will add we need to make more chances and when they do come along we need to be clinical , as this is an area we need to be better on , goals win games
And our Midfield seem to be a wee bit slow in getting the ball up to our front men which gives the opposition time to get players back but I am sure McPake will sort this out , I do not think there is any point in lambasting any player in particular better if we get behind them
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sun 26 Nov 16:05
We`ve only won 4 games tbf - one v Airdrie where Allan scored a cracker to dig us out a hole, a good away win v Queens Park and 2 wins against probably the worst team in the league where the home win was arguably the best we`ve played. That is fine for a mid table finish, but you need to win more home games and pick up points away to the others if we`ve to be serious contenders at the top end of the table. Losing at home to Ayr, losing at home to Raith and being hammered at Partick aren`t good results in anyone`s book, surely. The point at Tannadice was excellent and the home draw v Inverness was acceptable given the upturn in their form and the number of times we hit the frame of the goal. And even if all that wasn`t true, looking beyond results our performances have often been very flat, passive and uninspiring going forward. Even last season there were times when we were pretty boring to watch, but getting out that league was so important it was mostly overlooked.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 26 Nov 16:39
Quote:
kelty_par, Sun 26 Nov 16:05
We`ve only won 4 games tbf - one v Airdrie where Allan scored a cracker to dig us out a hole, a good away win v Queens Park and 2 wins against probably the worst team in the league where the home win was arguably the best we`ve played. That is fine for a mid table finish, but you need to win more home games and pick up points away to the others if we`ve to be serious contenders at the top end of the table. Losing at home to Ayr, losing at home to Raith and being hammered at Partick aren`t good results in anyone`s book, surely. The point at Tannadice was excellent and the home draw v Inverness was acceptable given the upturn in their form and the number of times we hit the frame of the goal. And even if all that wasn`t true, looking beyond results our performances have often been very flat, passive and uninspiring going forward. Even last season there were times when we were pretty boring to watch, but getting out that league was so important it was mostly overlooked.
I try really hard not to react to posts like yours KP but.....
We`ve had some poor performances and poor results, I`ll give you that. But how can you class scoring a fantastic winner in an exciting even game as "digging us out a hole"? What a really strange take.
Last season we got the job well done, after many on here predicted we wouldn`t even get to the play-offs. Of course, that would only be because we played "plumbers and painters" every week, obviously.
Friday was shocking but performances like that aren`t like us, this season we`ve been more than a match for most teams except for the games you mentioned above. At the start of the season I just wanted us to compete and I think we`ve done that pretty much every week
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 26 Nov 17:19
I think it`s called `damning with faint praise`. The two wins against Morton (a team we usually struggle against) are qualified because they`re `probably the worst team in the league`. Who cares? I don`t mind who we beat. Winning around a third of your games is about right for a mid-table team which would be a respectable position first season back I think while trying for better.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sun 26 Nov 17:32
"But how can you class scoring a fantastic winner in an exciting even game as "digging us out a hole"? "
Because we never really looked like scoring from open play and it took a great goal (which I`ve acknowledged) to win a game against a team most would be expecting us to beat at home.
"Friday was shocking but performances like that aren`t like us,"
Except for the Ayr home game and away at Partick?
"Winning around a third of your games is about right for a mid-table team which would be a respectable position first season back I think while trying for better"
Which us exactly what I said - fine results for mid table, probably not good enough to be taken seriously at the right end of the table.
It`s weird - there are times when it`s like some folk agree with the general point but because they don`t agree with the tone or the analysis behind it they feel they’ve got to somehow argue the point!
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 26 Nov 17:53
Quote:
kelty_par, Sun 26 Nov 17:32
"But how can you class scoring a fantastic winner in an exciting even game as "digging us out a hole"? "
Because we never really looked like scoring from open play and it took a great goal (which I`ve acknowledged) to win a game against a team most would be expecting us to beat at home.
"Friday was shocking but performances like that aren`t like us,"
Except for the Ayr home game and away at Partick?
"Winning around a third of your games is about right for a mid-table team which would be a respectable position first season back I think while trying for better"
Which us exactly what I said - fine results for mid table, probably not good enough to be taken seriously at the right end of the table.
It`s weird - there are times when it`s like some folk agree with the general point but because they don`t agree with the tone or the analysis behind it they feel they’ve got to somehow argue the point!
KP I did say "except the games you mentioned" but you chose not to quote that bit.
You expected us to beat Airdrie. That`s maybe your problem. I don`t and never have expected anything watching Dunfermline since I first started going in 1984/85. The build up to every game is nervy for me. Maybe that`s my problem!
Not sure what your "general point" is to be fair. You`ve taken a pretty negative view of a couple of positive parts of our season.
Mid table in the Championship? I`m not sure there is such a thing. If we can pick up a few wins between now and Christmas we`ll be well positioned for top 4 but not exactly clear of relegation. That`s the nature of this league so folk better get used to it!
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Sun 26 Nov 18:11
Really don’t understand the uproar, it was a really poor performance but a loss to the in form team at the moment wasn’t unexpected.
We’re fifth in the league and a W versus Arbroath on Tuesday sees us in a promotion playoff spot.
For a team that’s just come up through League One, nurturing some young talented players in the process and had to deal with an injury crisis, don’t think there’s much to grumble about.
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Topic Originator: gordi-b
Date: Sun 26 Nov 18:50
I think uproar is a bit strong, i don,t think the manager should go , its just dedicated supporters venting their anger at what was really a pathetic performance in all areas of the pitch, im sure he knows where the weaknesses are but unfortunately we don,t have replacements to step into theses areas due to a poor recruitment policy, only a few weeks until the January window , hopefully we can bring in a bit more quality to bolster the squad, hoping for a better performance on Tuesdat. COYP
G.B
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Topic Originator: NW 1966
Date: Sun 26 Nov 18:55
Anybody calling for our Managers head needs to seriously stay away.
There are some self entitled people in our support.
James McPake is the man.
Post Edited (Sun 26 Nov 18:55)
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Topic Originator: EastEndTales
Date: Sun 26 Nov 19:05
There are some fans,who aren`t happy unless they`re raging. Sad AF. Probably complain about everything in life without taking any responsibility for themselves.
Ep.17 of East End Tales is out now with Andrius Skerla
https://www.buzzsprout.com/1972630/15082607
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 26 Nov 19:13
Quote:
Berry, Sun 26 Nov 18:11
Really don’t understand the uproar, it was a really poor performance but a loss to the in form team at the moment wasn’t unexpected.
We’re fifth in the league and a W versus Arbroath on Tuesday sees us in a promotion playoff spot.
For a team that’s just come up through League One, nurturing some young talented players in the process and had to deal with an injury crisis, don’t think there’s much to grumble about.
This - 100% this! Also, people seen to forget that in some of the games we’ve lost or drawn (Utd away, ICT home, both Rovers games) we should have collected more points if not all the points. Despite a major injury crisis so far!
Staggering folk to be calling for a change when a win sees us up to 4th! Too many entitled people in here that seen us do well in early naughties and think we are that level 😂
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Topic Originator: gegganpar
Date: Sun 26 Nov 20:29
Quote:
kelty_par, Sun 26 Nov 12:06
"Don`t get this `ROVERS ARE A SUPERIOR SIDE CRAP`."
They`re second top of the league, look the only challengers to Dundee Utd and have beaten us the last three times we`ve played them including twice at East End. Of course they`re a superior side.
"Statements like `He can`t play at this level` are completely evidence free. What is `that level?` Define it please."
This level clearly refers to the Scottish Championship. Surely that doesn`t need spelling out? As to evidence, if we look at the last 3 seasons of Chalmers In this division and the last 2 of Mehmet playing in the Championship you`ll see guys who were pretty rank rotten, whether that was because they couldn`t maintain a reasonable level, lost confidence, didn`t have the pace or quality to perform well in this division or because they didn`t have the mental capacity to play consistently in this league. There`s plenty of evidence to suggest both those players are solid to good League One players but very little to suggest the same in the Championship. With the likes of Todd, he`s had game time in this division and looked OK in a different position so there`s a confidence that he`ll be good in his preferred position. Ritchie-Hosler hasn`t played in this league until this season so it`s hard to tell how he`ll do given he`s had injuries.
"Can’t say I’ve seen Paul Allan have a stinker yet. But Chalmers brings him down to his level, the young guy has to cover n try mop up when sleepy Chalmers gets caught up with the ball."
Aye, I find it hard to be super critical of Allan when a lot of his games have been alongside Chalmers and they don`t work well together. In the games when Allan played with Otoo I thought he was fine, and that suggests there`s something to your statement. Of course I`ll be accused of "having it in for" Chalmers and I guess there`s also some truth in that as I don`t rate him at all, certainly not to the heights that some folk do.
Kelty..par I agree with some of what you post, but when you quote other people`s posts you edit them like a polition!!!
Are you the kelty gangster that owns the rovers?
J angus blacklaws
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Topic Originator: gegganpar
Date: Sun 26 Nov 20:39
Ok ,my spelling is awful...
Not even Sunday league 🤣
J angus blacklaws
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sun 26 Nov 20:44
"Kelty..par I agree with some of what you post, but when you quote other people`s posts you edit them like a polition!!!"
How so? I don`t edit anything, just copy the relevant part of their post to reply to. No point quoting a huge long spiel if there`s only one sentence I agree/disagree with or want to comment on. Especially now when the board seems to throw a nutty when you post long messages and it wants you to split them up.
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Topic Originator: gegganpar
Date: Sun 26 Nov 21:03
Whatever! But you never answered my question, are you the kelty gangster ?
J angus blacklaws
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sun 26 Nov 22:38
Ha ha, no. No gangland connections and don`t even live in Kelty these days.
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Topic Originator: gegganpar
Date: Mon 27 Nov 11:21
🤣👍
J angus blacklaws
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Topic Originator: Murchadh
Date: Fri 5 Jan 21:59
Completely responsible for the injury situation, of that there is no doubt. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded.
Rigidly sticks to 3-5-2 even when we don’t have any fit centre halfs. Dundee fans were frustrated by this and we should be as well.
Mehmet on a 3 year deal and Slow-Joe on a 2 year deal even though they have previous at this level of being hopeless.
Just lost on live television to a team arguably worse than the Dumbarton team of 1995/1996. We also looked worse than that Dumbarton team, which is worrying.
Relegation looming. Feel free to bookmark this, I’m always 100% correct 100% of the time.
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Fri 5 Jan 22:05
Bore off, here`s the attention you ordered.
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Topic Originator: Murchadh
Date: Fri 5 Jan 22:09
Yawn. Do you have an actual opinion to provide? Probably not, nothing to refute.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 5 Jan 22:44
You make Berkey seem like an optimist. When was the last time you posted?
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Fri 5 Jan 22:48
I was actually going to post the same thing, wee eck
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Boomer
Date: Sat 6 Jan 01:00
Do you just watch us on Tv Murchadh or are you a true supporter?
You need a dose of reality which might be difficult for your tiny mind. Yes we were poor tonight but with numerous injuries and at least 3 players on the park not fully fit it was always going to be tough. We are not going down COYP!
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 6 Jan 07:50
Wee eck, I feel like I should be paying you rent…
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 6 Jan 08:19
You`ve got some ego, Berkey. It`s all about you, eh?
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 6 Jan 08:21
For you it seems to be, why else am you bringing me up in this thread?
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 6 Jan 08:42
Because you and Murchadh have never made a positive post between you for all the time I`ve been on this forum.
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Topic Originator: Parster
Date: Sat 6 Jan 08:56
The we should be winning the league brigade are out in force results haven`t been great but that could be put down to numerous things yes we could blame the manager yes we could blame the board we could blame the young players we could blame the experienced players who aren`t helping the young lads as much as they should however this unrealistic opinion from certain supporters that we should be top of the league is probably putting more pressure on everyone and before the boo boys jump on me yes we all want to play and be better sometimes you don`t always get what you think you deserve players and staff come and go but without supporters you aren`t a club so why not take a good look at yourselves in the mirror remember why you first came to watch the pars get behind the club or sit in the house
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 6 Jan 08:56
What a soul destroying place this forum can be when we don`t win.
I honestly think the club would be better off without some of the "fans" we have.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Sat 06 Jan 08:57)
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 6 Jan 09:19
Parster, I`ve not heard from, spoken to or read about a single Pars fan who expects us to be even challenging for the title, let alone winning the division. Why make up such nonsense?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 6 Jan 09:20
I don`t participate in the East End Bounce Forum but I like to dip into it occasionally. The comments there tend to be much more balanced and there`s not so much of the knee-jerk negativity which is so typical of this forum unfortunately. There`s also an appreciation of what players like Chalmers and Wighton bring to the team. I think many of the contributors used to participate in this forum but got so frustrated with it that they left and started another one.
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Topic Originator: yorkiepar
Date: Sat 6 Jan 09:31
Murchadh is an obvious pseudonym, Wee Eck. The postings only ever appear when a bit of a crisis arises and whoever he/she is they certainly couldn’t be considered a “supporter” of the Pars. It’s such an attention-seeking ploy you really have to feel desperately sorry for them. Their endless negativity implies a worrying state of mental health.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sat 6 Jan 10:19
Quote:
da_no_1, Sat 6 Jan 08:56
What a soul destroying place this forum can be when we don`t win.
I honestly think the club would be better off without some of the "fans" we have.
They would. We have a great fanbase but there are some who just destroy players at will. The most difficult job the manager has isnt finding new players its restoring confidence in existing players after they have read dotnet 🤣
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Topic Originator: NW 1966
Date: Sat 6 Jan 18:22
McFake, what a terrible way to refer to our manager.
Bunch of bed wetters among our support, self entitled and embarrassing.
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Topic Originator: Murchadh
Date: Sat 3 Feb 20:23
Alan Hansen was correct - you don’t win anything with kids.
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Topic Originator: NW 1966
Date: Sat 3 Feb 20:39
Bollocks
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Topic Originator: Murchadh
Date: Sat 3 Feb 20:50
0-5
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Topic Originator: NW 1966
Date: Sat 3 Feb 20:53
Aye OK Bobo. We know that.
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sat 3 Feb 20:58
Let`s judge the management team at the end of the season.
Losts of games to be played, we are capable of playing good football when everyone is avaliable and playing in their position.
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Topic Originator: cfad
Date: Sat 3 Feb 21:06
Quote:
Rigger Al, Sat 3 Feb 20:58
Let`s judge the management team at the end of the season.
Losts of games to be played, we are capable of playing good football when everyone is avaliable and playing in their position.
Yep. Funny, McPake was a superhero end of last season, and now he’s a absolute disaster for some in the space of 6 months
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Sat 3 Feb 21:12
Quote:
Rigger Al, Sat 3 Feb 20:58
Let`s judge the management team at the end of the season.
Losts of games to be played, we are capable of playing good football when everyone is avaliable and playing in their position.
When will everyone be available?
We just lost 5-0 at home to Morton and haven`t won in 7 games and heading towards 9th place. I think judgement is needed in the next few weeks.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 3 Feb 21:40
A lot of pressure on Bene and comrie, the other that are missing are unproven at this level so we can’t rely on them.
Lose the next 2 and the question changes from can we afford to change manager to can we afford not to roll the dice and hope someone else can steady the ship.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Kessel
Date: Sat 3 Feb 21:41
Quote:
Berkey, Sat 3 Feb 21:40
A lot of pressure on Bene and comrie, the other that are missing are unproven at this level so we can’t rely on them.
Lose the next 2 and the question changes from can we afford to change manager to can we afford not to roll the dice and hope someone else can steady the ship.
Lose the next 2 and McPake has to go.
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Topic Originator: Murchadh
Date: Sat 3 Feb 21:48
He should go now, but NW 1966 would rather try and deflect.
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Topic Originator: Kozmano1
Date: Sat 3 Feb 22:06
I see the usual wannabe football academics on here are not happy, because fans have an opinion, they don’t agree with. It’s a forum. Mcpake is on the ropes and so he should be!
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sat 3 Feb 22:40
Its ridiculous to suggest sacking a manager that has had half his first team missing most of the season.
Pity some can`t accept the effect that has to have. He`s made mistakes and today was a big one but I think he`s a decent guy that deserves our support at times like this.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sat 3 Feb 22:47
Quote:
JTH123, Sat 3 Feb 22:40
Its ridiculous to suggest sacking a manager that has had half his first team missing most of the season.
Pity some can`t accept the effect that has to have. He`s made mistakes and today was a big one but I think he`s a decent guy that deserves our support at times like this.
It`s not ridiculous, he is responsible for the SQUAD, his job is to get enough good results to keep us in this league if it begins to look like we are not going to achieve that then his position has to be questioned. He has the next two matches to prove that he is good enough. Bad results in these two games and it`s over.
I don`t want it to be the case but if he is still here and we have only achieved say 2 points from 6, then we should be questioning the board.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sat 3 Feb 22:57
You`ve just confirmed what I said above.
He`ll be going nowhere this season and probably not next season either unless he resigns.
The board will look at what was achieved last season and expect him to repeat it even if we go down unless we crash badly even when Bene etc come back.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sat 3 Feb 23:05
Quote:
JTH123, Sat 3 Feb 22:57
You`ve just confirmed what I said above.
He`ll be going nowhere this season and probably not next season either unless he resigns.
The board will look at what was achieved last season and expect him to repeat it even if we go down unless we crash badly even when Bene etc come back.
What you said above implies that he deserves to not have his ability questioned. Which is incorrect.
If we survive in the championship with him In charge then he has met his goals for the season. The next two matches are both 6 pointers.
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Sat 3 Feb 23:10
If we get beat next week I can’t see how Mcpake can carry on. Too stubborn to move away from the back 5 and we can’t score goals. Board probably won’t do it, would be good to see our absent owners take some more involvement
Post Edited (Sat 03 Feb 23:12)
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sat 3 Feb 23:18
Of course his ability should be questioned when things don`t go well but not when the squad is decimated and his options are severely limited. He`s a young manager making his way in the game and he`s made mistakes. Today, the evening cup game against Raith and the way he set them up against Ayr at home being the worst I can think of.
Further up this thread you`ve got him sacked if the next 2 games go badly then completely contradicted yourself by saying he`ll have achieved his objectives if we stay up at the end of the season. Which is it to be?
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sat 3 Feb 23:25
Quote:
JTH123, Sat 3 Feb 23:18
Of course his ability should be questioned when things don`t go well but not when the squad is decimated and his options are severely limited. He`s a young manager making his way in the game and he`s made mistakes. Today, the evening cup game against Raith and the way he set them up against Ayr at home being the worst I can think of.
Further up this thread you`ve got him sacked if the next 2 games go badly then completely contradicted yourself by saying he`ll have achieved his objectives if we stay up at the end of the season. Which is it to be?
If for example we lose next week and are sitting 9th then we are on course for not achieving our goals for the season, and we will have to act due to the manner of the performances recently.
it wouldn`t have been anywhere near as bad if we lost 1-0 today but that was beyond bad.
Today, raith at home, QP away, Ayr at home and ayr away were shocking (2 nil up to 2-2 )
Even morton away live on telly we were rubbish 2nd half and very lucky.
I`m a happy clapper....I want him to succeed......the fact is.....this is now getting to the point where it is not good enough.
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Sat 3 Feb 23:29
Injuries excuse is wearing thin. We’ve just had a transfer window and we have filled the squad with kids who’ve barely played first team games. Board failing to back the manager
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sat 3 Feb 23:59
Quote:
parsfan97, Sat 3 Feb 23:29
Injuries excuse is wearing thin. We’ve just had a transfer window and we have filled the squad with kids who’ve barely played first team games. Board failing to back the manager
No it`s not ! It`s still there ,the concern is the quality of new signings
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Topic Originator: back oh the net
Date: Sun 4 Feb 01:54
Quote:
Rigger Al, Sat 03 Feb 20:58
Let`s judge the management team at the end of the season.
Losts of games to be played, we are capable of playing good football when everyone is avaliable and playing in their position.
Like me you have probably seen this movie a few times and will know how it ends face it the good ship Dunfermline is rudderless under its present command and looks to be sinking faster than the titanic do you honestly see it getting any better? Bare in mind that team today bar Xavier Benjamin and wighton was the same team who played outstandingly well last weekend and got a point off the team that will in all likelihood be the league champions yet here we are getting sparked 5-0 at home your right in saying mcpake will be judged at the end of the season but I fear it will be to late by then
Come on ye pars ⚽️
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Topic Originator: SergioDuarte
Date: Sun 4 Feb 02:13
I worry about our finances. Are these Germans taking cash out of the club ? McPake hasn’t been backed at all. Lost out on good players because we can’t offer a decent wage.
It doesn’t it add up to me .
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 4 Feb 06:04
Quote:
cfad, Sat 3 Feb 21:06
Quote:
Rigger Al, Sat 3 Feb 20:58
Let`s judge the management team at the end of the season.
Losts of games to be played, we are capable of playing good football when everyone is avaliable and playing in their position.
Yep. Funny, McPake was a superhero end of last season, and now he’s a absolute disaster for some in the space of 6 months
Superhero is a bit of a stretch. We won the league at a canter with players who we were all told were good enough at winning the championship.
I gave him the benefit of the doubt the fact he was lumbered with imposters like Chalmers Mehmet and wighton and he gives them new multi year deals and they are still the same charlatans they were the last time we were at this level.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 4 Feb 07:36
Sergio even though they are youngsters we might find the 2 we got from the old firm are our highest earners….
The worrying thing for me is that the players haven’t downed tools here as they want the manager gone, the truth is they are just not good enough.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sun 4 Feb 07:50
cammypar, why do you constantly repeat this nonsense that people said the squad last year were good enough to win the Championship. Point me in the direction of anyone who said thst at the time please. I think I could be waiting a while.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 4 Feb 07:55
We had a squad capable of winning the league which was said in numerous interviews with the manager and also numerous pundits. If you listened to sportsound after most games it was "I can`t believe Dunfermline are where they are with the squad they have".
The aim was promotion under grant so he surely signed guys who he thought would achieve that. And last season most found their level.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sun 4 Feb 09:30
Quote:
cammypar 1995, Sun 4 Feb 07:55
We had a squad capable of winning the league which was said in numerous interviews with the manager and also numerous pundits. If you listened to sportsound after most games it was "I can`t believe Dunfermline are where they are with the squad they have".
The aim was promotion under grant so he surely signed guys who he thought would achieve that. And last season most found their level.
Pretty sure this is about how I remember things too
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 4 Feb 09:37
A couple of brainless pr1cks on Sportsound (probably Allan Preston and Kenny McIntyre) and an ex-manager who`s found his level on Sportsound does not count as everyone.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 4 Feb 09:40
What has it got to do with McPake if someone who is no longer at the club or `pundits` said we had a squad capable of winning the Championship two seasons ago? There`s a lot of emotional, irrational stuff posted on here after a woeful performance like yesterday`s but that one I just don`t get.
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Sun 4 Feb 09:52
There`s no dispute yesterday was absolutely dreadful, potentially one of the worst ever, certainly top (bottom) 5 in my lifetime but is perverse to suggest McPake should lose his job.
Absolutely hamstrung (pardon the pun) by injuries all season, particularly our three most effective players. The players that turn losses into draws and draws into wins.
It`s clear we`re running on a strict budget with a clear policy on this training academy, for better for worse. You can jump up and down and not like it, but it is what it is. It seems clear that McPake has identified several more senior players in the last two windows but we`ve not offered the right deals.
Therefore your beef is really with the board.
Need to keep the heid and try and fight our way out of this. I`d be extremely disappointed if we roll the dice and find the money to pay compensation to change management team. That money would have been better spent on a player or two.
Therefore I find myself in a loop where the only conclusion is we are where we are and we better hope that two of Bene, KRH and Todd can come in and turn our momentum round sharpish.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 4 Feb 09:53
Quote:
da_no_1, Sun 4 Feb 09:37
A couple of brainless pr1cks on Sportsound (probably Allan Preston and Kenny McIntyre) and an ex-manager who`s found his level on Sportsound does not count as everyone.[/quote
Kenny miller as well as si ferry, andy Halliday, Derek Ferguson just to name another few. Management who signed these charlatans as well. I`m sure Ross MC Arthur came out with similar quotes as well The proof is there for everyone to see.
We can`t get away from it we signed guys not good enough at the level to multi year contracts and that`s shown on the park and it was clear for all to see yesterday. Alongside these we have signed others who also aren`t at this level maybe apart from Hamilton and Ottoo and at a push bene.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Sun 4 Feb 09:54
Quote:
cammypar 1995, Sun 4 Feb 09:53
Quote:
da_no_1, Sun 4 Feb 09:37
A couple of brainless pr1cks on Sportsound (probably Allan Preston and Kenny McIntyre) and an ex-manager who`s found his level on Sportsound does not count as everyone.[/quote
Kenny miller as well as si ferry, andy Halliday, Derek Ferguson just to name another few. Management who signed these charlatans as well. I`m sure Ross MC Arthur came out with similar quotes as well The proof is there for everyone to see.
We can`t get away from it we signed guys not good enough at the level to multi year contracts and that`s shown on the park and it was clear for all to see yesterday. Alongside these we have signed others who also aren`t at this level maybe apart from Hamilton and Ottoo and at a push bene.
How do you explain us being 4th in the league, relatively comfortably, even with injuries before the crisis hit?
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 4 Feb 09:56
None of them would`ve watched us play. None of them would`ve watched the championship. I might be wrong but I can`t remember RM saying we would win the league.
We were doing absolutely fine, without necessarily tearing it up, until mid December when the injuries really did start to pile up. That's a fact.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Sun 04 Feb 09:57)
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Sun 4 Feb 10:03
I don`t think that behind closed doors, the target would have been promotion from the championship this season. More realistically, I suspect it would have been to make the playoffs.. I think you have to be honest and call out yesterday`s performance for what it was. Where we go from here, I`m not sure. I think the new training centre in Rosyth and the squad are two separate issues. One is to build a facility, the other is to build a team capable of competing in the championship and then push for promotion in a year or two.
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Topic Originator: Gem 1977
Date: Sun 4 Feb 10:07
[I]Kenny miller as well as si ferry, andy Halliday, Derek Ferguson just to name another few.
🤣🤣🤣 Si Ferry and Andy Halliday, ffs.
Pair of brainless pricks!
Here's to the first of the day, fellas! To old D.H. Lawrence.
Neh! Neh! Neh! Fuh! Fuh! Fuh! Indians
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 4 Feb 10:14
Quote:
da_no_1, Sun 4 Feb 09:56
None of them would`ve watched us play. None of them would`ve watched the championship. I might be wrong but I can`t remember RM saying we would win the league.
We were doing absolutely fine, without necessarily tearing it up, until mid December when the injuries really did start to pile up. That`s a fact.
Yep then we signed unknown untested players in January that will keep us up. We have strikers who couldn`t hit a coo in the bottom with a banjo. The injuries play a part but yesterday we still had 4 players given multi year contracts by this manager who clearly thinks they are championship players. O`Too who is probably our highest or definitely one of the highest earners. Ohalloran who hasn`t done much when he has been fit. Moffat and summers when we need our so called better players were missing. Edwards who can`t cross a road and 2 strikers who don`t score.
It`s not like we are playing with a team full of 16 year olds who have never played senior football before.
A squad who mcpake has built and unfortunately showed no character yesterday and that`s definitely a worry when we are almost certainly in a relegation battle where you need a bit of dig.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 4 Feb 10:17
Quote:
cammypar 1995, Sun 4 Feb 10:14
Quote:
da_no_1, Sun 4 Feb 09:56
None of them would`ve watched us play. None of them would`ve watched the championship. I might be wrong but I can`t remember RM saying we would win the league.
We were doing absolutely fine, without necessarily tearing it up, until mid December when the injuries really did start to pile up. That`s a fact.
Yep then we signed unknown untested players in January that will keep us up. We have strikers who couldn`t hit a coo in the bottom with a banjo. The injuries play a part but yesterday we still had 4 players given multi year contracts by this manager who clearly thinks they are championship players. O`Too who is probably our highest or definitely one of the highest earners. Ohalloran who hasn`t done much when he has been fit. Moffat and summers when we need our so called better players were missing. Edwards who can`t cross a road and 2 strikers who don`t score.
It`s not like we are playing with a team full of 16 year olds who have never played senior football before.
A squad who mcpake has built and unfortunately showed no character yesterday and that`s definitely a worry when we are almost certainly in a relegation battle where you need a bit of dig.
Are you saying Otoo and Edwards aren`t championship players?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Kozmano1
Date: Sun 4 Feb 10:20
Get the man with the bunnet, back in the dugout lol.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sun 4 Feb 10:27
So we`ve gone from McPake had a squad that were good enough to win the Championship, to Grant and Hughes had players that people on the radio thought were too good to go down? We`re talking about the squad that McPake had, not the season before. So who has said that the squad McPake had in League One were good enough to win the Championship? I`ll give you a hint. Nobody did.
Even if you`re trying to compare apples with oranges, McPake didn`t have the following players (for better or worse) that played under Grant and Hughes: Stolarczyk, Fon Williams, Donaldson, Ambrose, Graham, Whittaker, Watson, Connolly, Jones, Gaspuitis, Polwarth, Lawless, Dorrans*, Cole, Pybus, Dow, Kamwa, Kennedy, Thomas.
*Dorrans left after the season had started having not played under McPake AFAIR.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 4 Feb 10:27
Quote:
cammypar 1995, Sun 4 Feb 09:53
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da_no_1, Sun 4 Feb 09:37
A couple of brainless pr1cks on Sportsound (probably Allan Preston and Kenny McIntyre) and an ex-manager who`s found his level on Sportsound does not count as everyone.[/quote
Kenny miller as well as si ferry, andy Halliday, Derek Ferguson just to name another few. Management who signed these charlatans as well. I`m sure Ross MC Arthur came out with similar quotes as well The proof is there for everyone to see.
We can`t get away from it we signed guys not good enough at the level to multi year contracts and that`s shown on the park and it was clear for all to see yesterday. Alongside these we have signed others who also aren`t at this level maybe apart from Hamilton and Ottoo and at a push bene.
Nope if you see this I say him Hamilton and at a push bene.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 4 Feb 10:31
Quote:
kelty_par, Sun 4 Feb 10:27
So we`ve gone from McPake had a squad that were good enough to win the Championship, to Grant and Hughes had players that people on the radio thought were too good to go down? We`re talking about the squad that McPake had, not the season before. So who has said that the squad McPake had in League One were good enough to win the Championship? I`ll give you a hint. Nobody did.
Even if you`re trying to compare apples with oranges, McPake didn`t have the following players (for better or worse) that played under Grant and Hughes: Stolarczyk, Fon Williams, Donaldson, Ambrose, Graham, Whittaker, Watson, Connolly, Jones, Gaspuitis, Polwarth, Lawless, Dorrans*, Cole, Pybus, Dow, Kamwa, Kennedy, Thomas.
*Dorrans left after the season had started having not played under McPake AFAIR.
Again we have players who were relegated the last time they were in this league. At the time we were told they could win the league they got relegated we won the league with a squad who the season before were going for promotion in the higher league. They were found out and we have offered them new deals in the league they struggled in when they last played here. And surprise surprise they are struggling again.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Row_ZZ
Date: Sun 4 Feb 10:57
Bene and Toddy are huge voids, but no excuses. We are a terrible watch and at this rate we WILL go down. Something drastic needs to change. If it isn`t the manager, then it has to be the manager`s approach to matches. He was very wise to chop and change tactics when necessary last season, but isn`t doing it this season. We need to get back to basics, but it`s really hard when your midfield options are rotten and this then leads to the young defenders collapsing. Fearing the worst after yesterday tbh.
When are Comrie, Toddy and Bene back anyway? I`d be a lot more confident if we had them coming back soon. It`s obvious that experience and willingness to take the game by the scruff is massively missing in the middle of the pitch as well as defence.
"A smile might be good!"
"Nothing to smile about in my life"
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 4 Feb 11:24
I`ve never understood this claim that any player who has been part of a relegated squad should be scarred with this for the rest of their career. If that were the case a lot of footballers would be doomed to stay at a certain level and deemed to be incapable of improvement.
In our case players like McCann and Todd were quite peripheral during our relegation season, Wighton was actually loaned out to Arbroath for the second half of that season I think and Edwards has just been the subject of a 6-figure offer from an English League 1 club apparently.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 4 Feb 12:21
Wee eck, didn’t yogi make McCann his main centre forward once he came in? 22 league games suggest he wasn’t peripheral.
Todd played a lot too, but as a right back where he was prob our best player.
Can’t reinvent the past because you like McCann, look at the highlights from goals 2 and 3 yesterday, turned his back on the ball for 2nd and not bothering to compete on the 3rd.
Edwards is decent defensively but can’t cross, in our system we want him to get wide and get the crosses in….
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Sun 4 Feb 12:30
Pretty accurate post Berkey when you look at it like that !
Bottom line is we were rank rotten yeaterday no fight at all either , and this disappoints me , as far as I am concerned about every goal was avoidable , too many players switching off and not challenging etc , McPake needs to have a wee look at the midfield , this is where we need tougher players that will challenge which in turn might take a wee bit pressure off the back line , would also help if we could move the ball faster, this slow stuff is not working ,
Anyway back to the title
I still believe Mcpake will get it sorted out ! and I disagree with all those wanting him out , they are entitled to their opinion like anyone else but getting rid of a manager now would certainly see us in a lower league
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Topic Originator: PansPar
Date: Sun 4 Feb 13:27
Frustration is totally understandable after yesterday.
This looks to me like a squad of players with their heads down and very little confidence, which is one of the most worrying things for me as they need to fight over the next few weeks to finish above 9th. I won`t call out any players for criticism in this situation, particularly the younger lads. Management need to find a way to lift them pronto - the onus is firmly on them here.
I think McPake deserves a chance to turn this around, but to do so he has to show that he can mix things up over the next few games. Every other team can see us coming a mile off right now.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 4 Feb 13:50
Imagine coming on an internet forum, as a fan of a club, and calling ex professionals “brainless pr*cks” because their opinion is irrelevant to you….said “brainless pr*cks” have played at the highest level in the country, for numerous years, and in internationals, have coaching qualifications and are agents within the game.
But nah, some jumped up old fart thats never even played Sunday League reckons they are “brainless” because they dont agree with them 😂🤦🏻♂️
And to claim these guys have never watched the Champ/League One is staggering given that they cover these games regularly week in week out 😂
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Topic Originator: 1600E
Date: Sun 4 Feb 14:57
Its his team and not looking like anything other a team going down
Might be too late to do anything Dave_1885 wrote:
> Imagine coming on an internet forum, as a fan of a club, and
> calling ex professionals “brainless pr*cks” because their
> opinion is irrelevant to you….said “brainless pr*cks”
> have played at the highest level in the country, for numerous
> years, and in internationals, have coaching qualifications and
> are agents within the game.
>
> But nah, some jumped up old fart thats never even played Sunday
> League reckons they are “brainless” because they dont agree
> with them 😂🤦🏻♂️
>
> And to claim these guys have never watched the Champ/League One
> is staggering given that they cover these games regularly week
> in week out 😂
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 4 Feb 15:09
Quote:
Dave_1885, Sun 4 Feb 13:50
Imagine coming on an internet forum, as a fan of a club, and calling ex professionals “brainless pr*cks” because their opinion is irrelevant to you….said “brainless pr*cks” have played at the highest level in the country, for numerous years, and in internationals, have coaching qualifications and are agents within the game.
But nah, some jumped up old fart thats never even played Sunday League reckons they are “brainless” because they dont agree with them 😂🤦🏻♂️
And to claim these guys have never watched the Champ/League One is staggering given that they cover these games regularly week in week out 😂
You think and Allan "Biscuits" Preston watches the championship every week?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sun 4 Feb 15:11
I`m not saying that we didn`t have some players who should be operating at the top end of the championship but you claimed McPake had a squad "people" said were capable of winning the second tier. Keep moving the goalposts all you like, it doesn`t change anything. That squad last year was a good League One squad, but not a good Championship level squad. The fact that we`ve kept the majority of those players this season and only added one or two and are struggling tells you that. The fact thst many of those same players struggled the last time at this level tells you that. I don`t know why you continue trying to defend that position when you yourself have moved the goalposts so many times. It`s bizarre. Especially when essentially you`re agreeing with my position that we only have about 7 players who are clearly Championship standard and the rest aren`t.
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Topic Originator: back oh the net
Date: Sun 4 Feb 15:15
The fact he thinks si ferry played at the highest level in the country is what made me chuckle and as for Andy Halliday the least said about him the better
Come on ye pars ⚽️
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 4 Feb 15:39
Quote:
da_no_1, Sun 4 Feb 15:09
Quote:
Dave_1885, Sun 4 Feb 13:50
Imagine coming on an internet forum, as a fan of a club, and calling ex professionals “brainless pr*cks” because their opinion is irrelevant to you….said “brainless pr*cks” have played at the highest level in the country, for numerous years, and in internationals, have coaching qualifications and are agents within the game.
But nah, some jumped up old fart thats never even played Sunday League reckons they are “brainless” because they dont agree with them 😂🤦🏻♂️
And to claim these guys have never watched the Champ/League One is staggering given that they cover these games regularly week in week out 😂
You think and Allan "Biscuits" Preston watches the championship every week?
He literally provides open mic commentary on our home games if neither Edinburgh club is at home……so yes, I do
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 4 Feb 15:56
Quote:
Dave_1885, Sun 4 Feb 15:39
Quote:
da_no_1, Sun 4 Feb 15:09
Quote:
Dave_1885, Sun 4 Feb 13:50
Imagine coming on an internet forum, as a fan of a club, and calling ex professionals “brainless pr*cks” because their opinion is irrelevant to you….said “brainless pr*cks” have played at the highest level in the country, for numerous years, and in internationals, have coaching qualifications and are agents within the game.
But nah, some jumped up old fart thats never even played Sunday League reckons they are “brainless” because they dont agree with them 😂🤦🏻♂️
And to claim these guys have never watched the Champ/League One is staggering given that they cover these games regularly week in week out 😂
You think and Allan "Biscuits" Preston watches the championship every week?
He literally provides open mic commentary on our home games if neither Edinburgh club is at home……so yes, I do
So, thanks for confirming he doesn`t watch the championship every week. FYI he was at Dens Park yesterday watching Hearts.
Inserting "literally" before posting doesn`t make you look clever by the way.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 4 Feb 16:06
Allan Preston usually covers his old clubs in the Premiership (Hearts, Livi, SJ) plus Hibs or Dundee United rather than the Pars. Isn`t Andy Halliday still playing?
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 4 Feb 16:18
Quote:
da_no_1, Sun 4 Feb 15:56
Quote:
Dave_1885, Sun 4 Feb 15:39
Quote:
da_no_1, Sun 4 Feb 15:09
Quote:
Dave_1885, Sun 4 Feb 13:50
Imagine coming on an internet forum, as a fan of a club, and calling ex professionals “brainless pr*cks” because their opinion is irrelevant to you….said “brainless pr*cks” have played at the highest level in the country, for numerous years, and in internationals, have coaching qualifications and are agents within the game.
But nah, some jumped up old fart thats never even played Sunday League reckons they are “brainless” because they dont agree with them 😂🤦🏻♂️
And to claim these guys have never watched the Champ/League One is staggering given that they cover these games regularly week in week out 😂
You think and Allan "Biscuits" Preston watches the championship every week?
He literally provides open mic commentary on our home games if neither Edinburgh club is at home……so yes, I do
So, thanks for confirming he doesn`t watch the championship every week. FYI he was at Dens Park yesterday watching Hearts.
Inserting "literally" before posting doesn`t make you look clever by the way.
Must be a brainless pr*ck if commentating on top level games then eh? 🤷🏻♂️ do you know specifically that he doesnt watch highlights etc of Championship games btw? Or just guessing to try make your point sound valid?
Given hes an agent with a fair few names on his books in Scotland, Id imagine he isnt that useless…..
But then again that doesnt fit the narrative of everything being ok and hunky dory!
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 4 Feb 16:28
No one has said everything is hunky dory. Grow up
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sun 4 Feb 17:06
Haven’t seen Biscuits at EEP for a few months now so that’s nonsense about him being there whenever Hearts aren’t playing, and I should know!
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Sun 4 Feb 18:02
24 hours later and that result still cuts deep. Mcpake needs to be judged when he gets his injured players back.
We’ll be a different team with the likes of Benny and Comrie back in the side. One player shouldn’t make a difference but Benny is massive for us. Pray he is close to a full return soon.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 4 Feb 18:19
Bene coming back will be absolutely massive.
Going on the debut yesterday it’s literally swapping a guy who I’m not sure can play football to a reasonable standard with a championship level proven defender
Just imagine if we were able to bring another 1 or 2 at Bene’s level in midfield and upfront.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: wetherby
Date: Sun 4 Feb 18:25
“Bene coming back will be absolutely massive.”
Agreed - but we can’t wait till then - Easter possibly!
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 4 Feb 18:34
Easter! There will only be about 4-5 leagues games left by then.
If we knew that last week it’s even worse we didn’t bring an older head in….
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Sun 4 Feb 18:38
The thread title just says it all really with the .net community….
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: EastEndTales
Date: Sun 4 Feb 18:49
Quote:
Berkey, Sun 4 Feb 18:34
Easter! There will only be about 4-5 leagues games left by then.
If we knew that last week it’s even worse we didn’t bring an older head in….
Out onto
Ep.17 of East End Tales is out now with Andrius Skerla
https://www.buzzsprout.com/1972630/15082607
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sun 4 Feb 18:49
I believe the manager had experienced players in mind ,but what the players wanted to come and what the board would agree to is a big contributing factor .
I don`t believe for a miniute, the management team identified your players against experienced players ,I believe this is down to the board .
Unfortunately, the board is not only setting up the management for failure but also our great club
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Topic Originator: KnebworthPar
Date: Sun 4 Feb 18:54
Quote:
Rusty Shackleford, Sun 4 Feb 09:52
There`s no dispute yesterday was absolutely dreadful, potentially one of the worst ever, certainly top (bottom) 5 in my lifetime but is perverse to suggest McPake should lose his job.
Absolutely hamstrung (pardon the pun) by injuries all season, particularly our three most effective players. The players that turn losses into draws and draws into wins.
It`s clear we`re running on a strict budget with a clear policy on this training academy, for better for worse. You can jump up and down and not like it, but it is what it is. It seems clear that McPake has identified several more senior players in the last two windows but we`ve not offered the right deals.
Therefore your beef is really with the board.
Need to keep the heid and try and fight our way out of this. I`d be extremely disappointed if we roll the dice and find the money to pay compensation to change management team. That money would have been better spent on a player or two.
Therefore I find myself in a loop where the only conclusion is we are where we are and we better hope that two of Bene, KRH and Todd can come in and turn our momentum round sharpish.
Too much sense this!
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Topic Originator: broontroot
Date: Sun 4 Feb 18:57
Quote:
Rigger Al, Sun 4 Feb 18:49
I believe the manager had experienced players in mind ,but what the players wanted to come and what the board would agree to is a big contributing factor .
I don`t believe for a miniute, the management team identified your players against experienced players ,I believe this is down to the board .
Unfortunately, the board is not only setting up the management for failure but also our great club
This !!!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 4 Feb 19:09
`Unfortunately, the board is not only setting up the management for failure but also our great club`
Why would the board set up the club for failure having invested so much in it?
I also find it difficult to believe the board identifies the players we sign. I would imagine the manager does that and the board, in the person of David Cook, might get involved if there was an impact on the player budget either this season or a future season if length of contract was an issue. I`d imagine that`s the way it works at most clubs.
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sun 4 Feb 19:22
Wee Eck
My statement was simply if the board don`t see we need experienced players at this time and don`t do what is needed then we are setting up for failure
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 4 Feb 19:25
who do we think sanctioned the loan signing of the Cardiff youngsters?
I’m not convinced mcpake went to Cardiff to watch them play to check they could make an impact in our first team in the next 4 months. Who is making the decisions?
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: The Boss
Date: Sun 4 Feb 19:34
Looking back at the goals they look worse than when at the game.
All over social media we are getting torn apart by folk about the standard of defending. It’s embarrassing. It is some of the worst defending you are likely to see in a professional game.
I hope the players and manager are seeing this on social media too.
I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 4 Feb 19:35
Quote:
Berkey, Sun 4 Feb 19:25
who do we think sanctioned the loan signing of the Cardiff youngsters?
I’m not convinced mcpake went to Cardiff to watch them play to check they could make an impact in our first team in the next 4 months. Who is making the decisions?
I think McPake said on COWS that he`d seen "footage" of one Cardiff player.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: back oh the net
Date: Sun 4 Feb 19:43
Quote:
GG Riva, Sun 04 Feb 19:35
Quote:
Berkey, Sun 4 Feb 19:25
who do we think sanctioned the loan signing of the Cardiff youngsters?
I’m not convinced mcpake went to Cardiff to watch them play to check they could make an impact in our first team in the next 4 months. Who is making the decisions?
I think McPake said on COWS that he`d seen "footage" of one Cardiff player.
And it will no doubt have only been good footage
Come on ye pars ⚽️
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 4 Feb 19:50
Quote:
back oh the net, Sun 4 Feb 19:43
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GG Riva, Sun 04 Feb 19:35
Quote:
Berkey, Sun 4 Feb 19:25
who do we think sanctioned the loan signing of the Cardiff youngsters?
I’m not convinced mcpake went to Cardiff to watch them play to check they could make an impact in our first team in the next 4 months. Who is making the decisions?
I think McPake said on COWS that he`d seen "footage" of one Cardiff player.
And it will no doubt have only been good footage
A nailed on certainty. And if he was told at the end of the window that these are the only players we can get in, would he have turned them down?
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 4 Feb 19:54
Oh geez, all this talk of bringing in quality over quantity and doing our due diligence on players etc and now we are signing boys based on some selective footage where they were playing other academy youngsters?
So let me get this right, during an injury and form crisis we took a total punt on 2 loans with no idea if they are anywhere the standard required to make any impact at this level……i’m lost for words. Surely Fenton would have done better than Benjamin?
Just what is our strategy? Feels like we no longer have one.
Post Edited (Sun 04 Feb 19:56)
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sun 4 Feb 20:10
Let`s be honest, none of us are party to the details of budgets, contracts or loans. Nor should we be.
We have no idea how much budget he had saved back for Jan or whether medical bills have eroded it.
Maybe the young loanees are costing nothing but their accommodation etc as their parent clubs just want them playing.
I`ve no idea but these things are not impossible.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 4 Feb 20:15
If folk don`t know the facts they just make things up to fit their theories. It`s the .net way or, more generally, the social media way. I`ve often wondered if folk apply this approach to other aspects of their lives or is it only for football?
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Topic Originator: ParfectXI
Date: Sun 4 Feb 20:50
Our beloved club is a mess! That I would say no one can argue with. Our last couple of transfer windows have been to put it lightly - poor! Yes we signed KRH and Otoo at the start of the season but they were already with us the previous season so I’m not counting them as ‘new players’.
Surely to get the best out of young players you’d need to put established professionals around them for them to learn from. As we saw yesterday without that the young players are just going to make natural mistakes and mistakes cost goals which then affects the players confidence…. And then you are locked into a vicious circle that will help nobody, least of all the players.
It’s strange the management team don’t see this (2 windows no established professionals signed). However, and I’ve said this multiple times, our scouting “system” seems poor if not non-existent! Our Chief Scout can be found EVERY Saturday sitting on our bench!! Why?? I know he has a full time job with the council but surely on a Saturday he should be running the rule over potential players not watching our own players!! I actually work within football and work at various grounds within the Premier League on match days so work almost every Saturday and Weekday there’s a game on and not once have I seen our Chief Scout, Manager or anyone connected to the club at a game I’ve worked. I was at the Livi v Ross County last Tuesday which was before the deadline and I expected to see someone from our club but no! Motherwell and a few others were represented but no-one from EEP!
So quite frankly we need some BIG changes or we could be looking at Div 1 again.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sun 4 Feb 20:58
Quote:
ParfectXI, Sun 4 Feb 20:50
Our beloved club is a mess! That I would say no one can argue with. Our last couple of transfer windows have been to put it lightly - poor! Yes we signed KRH and Otoo at the start of the season but they were already with us the previous season so I’m not counting them as ‘new players’.
Surely to get the best out of young players you’d need to put established professionals around them for them to learn from. As we saw yesterday without that the young players are just going to make natural mistakes and mistakes cost goals which then affects the players confidence…. And then you are locked into a vicious circle that will help nobody, least of all the players.
It’s strange the management team don’t see this (2 windows no established professionals signed). However, and I’ve said this multiple times, our scouting “system” seems poor if not non-existent! Our Chief Scout can be found EVERY Saturday sitting on our bench!! Why?? I know he has a full time job with the council but surely on a Saturday he should be running the rule over potential players not watching our own players!! I actually work within football and work at various grounds within the Premier League on match days so work almost every Saturday and Weekday there’s a game on and not once have I seen our Chief Scout, Manager or anyone connected to the club at a game I’ve worked. I was at the Livi v Ross County last Tuesday which was before the deadline and I expected to see someone from our club but no! Motherwell and a few others were represented but no-one from EEP!
So quite frankly we need some BIG changes or we could be looking at Div 1 again.
TBF you can`t just disregard the signings of Otoo and KRH to suit ur narrative,
It could be argued that with Otoo KRH and fisher it was a half decent summer window
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sun 4 Feb 21:06
It`s got all the makings of financial issues within the club .Before I get attacked here this is just my opinion :):)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 4 Feb 21:21
`2 windows no established professionals signed`
Weren`t O`Halloran and Jakubiak established professionals?
`It`s got all the makings of financial issues within the club .Before I get attacked here this is just my opinion :):)`
OK, I`ll ask the question again as I haven`t seen an answer to it - If there are financial issues at the club why did we turn down a six-figure bid for Edwards? Surely we should have been biting their hand off?
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Topic Originator: SergioDuarte
Date: Mon 5 Feb 02:04
Can we stop calling them the ‘German Investors’ ?
‘The Germans’ is a far more accurate description.
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Topic Originator: bannerpar
Date: Mon 5 Feb 20:29
So they are not investors! I thought it showed in the club`s annual accounts that they invested in buying a majority of the club`s shares. I must have dreamt that.
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Topic Originator: Murchadh
Date: Sat 10 Feb 16:59
As always, I’m 100% spot on. McFake out!
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 10 Feb 17:02
He really should be but he won’t be, he’ll take us down and then wighton will suddenly regain his fitness and chalmers will get the freedom of the park and we’ll be decent in league 1 and then he’ll give them new deals when we come back up.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Sat 10 Feb 17:04
Actually frightened again for the existence of our club under the German frauds. They should be told to do one!!!! This is their making….
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Topic Originator: SergioDuarte
Date: Sat 10 Feb 17:12
Something very sinister about these Germans . Money magically disappeared out the club . Kevin Nisbet money . Dodgy deals regarding Training grounds. Get them out .
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sat 10 Feb 17:17
Who`s going to buy us ?
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 10 Feb 17:19
Quote:
Tenruh, Sat 10 Feb 17:17
Who`s going to buy us ?
That`s exactly it. People seem to think we are some big fish. Reality is someone could have bought us for pennies nobody came forward hence why we are left with the current BOD who nobody has seen or heard from since we were promoted. Unfortunately we aren`t a great prospect for anyone with good intentions.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Sat 10 Feb 18:18
Quote:
SergioDuarte, Sat 10 Feb 17:12
Something very sinister about these Germans . Money magically disappeared out the club . Kevin Nisbet money . Dodgy deals regarding Training grounds. Get them out .
What money has disappeared and what dodgy deals are you talking about?
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 10 Feb 18:33
Probably the wrong thread for this
Post Edited (Sat 10 Feb 18:34)
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sat 10 Feb 19:41
Quote:
kelty_par, Sat 10 Feb 18:33
Probably the wrong thread for this
Probably your right....this all goes back to Mathisons tenure of the club. The community club project was a failure, and when the individuals realise it they sold out to a group of investors who surprisingly will take what profits they can get.
Where we are now is where we`ll be in 10 years time at best.
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Topic Originator: SergioDuarte
Date: Sun 11 Feb 14:14
Quote:
Kdy Par, Sat 10 Feb 18:18
Quote:
SergioDuarte, Sat 10 Feb 17:12
Something very sinister about these Germans . Money magically disappeared out the club . Kevin Nisbet money . Dodgy deals regarding Training grounds. Get them out .
What money has disappeared and what dodgy deals are you talking about?
Nisbet money . 35% of sell on that was put out on here by club place men.
That money has vanished.
Unable to offer decent wages . Training ground that had taken 3 years.
Zero investment in the squad .
Get them so far too feck.
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Topic Originator: Murchadh
Date: Sat 17 Feb 17:26
We’re going down based on that. McPake out!
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 17 Feb 17:28
We all said at HT we need the second goal as we cant trust ourselves not to lose a goal. Second half performance was a shambles.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Sat 17 Feb 17:30
Result buys him another few weeks IMO
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 17 Feb 17:31
Honestly, I expected nine points from our last three games. To get just one is disgraceful. And I can`t see where we will get our next points.
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Topic Originator: Murchadh
Date: Sat 17 Feb 17:37
I don’t think we will finish bottom, however we won’t win the play-off.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 17 Feb 17:48
I really cant see where our next win is coming from 😂
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 17 Feb 17:53
In the last 39 years I`ve learnt never to expect anything from the Pars
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 17 Feb 18:34
Ashcroft in this week and maybe we’re pick up the occasional draw on the road but everything needs to go into the home game against ayr. Anything at Partick is a total unexpected bonus.
It’s starting to remind me of the season we went down, the games against those around us are now 6 pointers.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Sat 17 Feb 19:07
Quote:
Berkey, Sat 17 Feb 18:34
Ashcroft in this week and maybe we’re pick up the occasional draw on the road but everything needs to go into the home game against ayr. Anything at Partick is a total unexpected bonus.
It’s starting to remind me of the season we went down, the games against those around us are now 6 pointers.
I think those were my thoughts. I do think the circumstances are different though. We need a good central defender. If we can get Ashcroft in that will be a big bonus. I think we are looking at 8th or 9th. If we end up in the playoffs hopefully we will have players back from injury. I think it`s been a bit unfair to expect the young lads who have just come in to assume the burden of avoiding relegation. They will get better over time and need that time. To an extent they have been thrown in at the deep end. An improvement over the last two weeks so need to keep going in that direction
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 17 Feb 19:15
Agree Indiapar, while things like the relegation playoffs will be a good experience for the youngsters, it’s unlikely under that pressure they will stand up and be counted and we can’t rely on the likes of Moffat or summers to have a good day when there’s far more bad games than good this season.
We need to bring in more than Ashcroft to make me feel like we’ll be fine in the playoffs if that’s what it’s to be, everyone seems to be thinking we won’t get any relapses or new injuries for the rest of the season and the likes of Todd and KRH will take l quite a few games before they are anywhere near match fit.
Post Edited (Sat 17 Feb 19:16)
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Topic Originator: Murchadh
Date: Sat 20 Apr 18:08
Who is going to buy a season ticket next season based on the turgid rubbish served up for most of this season? A perfect opportunity today to put in a confident, attacking performance (with pretty much a full-strength team) and we serve up whatever that was - we looked like we could have played until the end of the year and not scored. Horrible football and still not even mathematically safe from the relegation play-off’s, although we should be fine.
We should expect far better.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Sat 20 Apr 18:28
Quote:
Murchadh, Sat 20 Apr 18:08
Who is going to buy a season ticket next season based on the turgid rubbish served up for most of this season? A perfect opportunity today to put in a confident, attacking performance (with pretty much a full-strength team) and we serve up whatever that was - we looked like we could have played until the end of the year and not scored. Horrible football and still not even mathematically safe from the relegation play-off’s, although we should be fine.
We should expect far better.
I will. I am a masochists.
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Topic Originator: Murchadh
Date: Sat 20 Apr 18:37
I will as well. It’s not great though…
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Sat 20 Apr 18:50
Me too, although I was glad to see the end of that game. There were two teenage lassies sitting beside me in the Norrie, and they never looked at the game at all. I could hardly blame them as it looked like we were happy to settle for a nil, nil, draw at home to Queens Park. I got out tout suite, in case the players thought of doing a lap of honour.
If we`re going to keep that style of play up, the club should think of providing pillows and hammocks.
Post Edited (Sat 20 Apr 18:52)
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Topic Originator: theparsman1885
Date: Sat 20 Apr 19:07
Paralex wrote:
> Me too, although I was glad to see the end of that game. There
> were two teenage lassies sitting beside me in the Norrie, and
> they never looked at the game at all. I could hardly blame them
> as it looked like we were happy to settle for a nil, nil, draw
> at home to Queens Park. I got out tout suite, in case the
> players thought of doing a lap of honour.
>
> If we`re going to keep that style of play up, the club should
> think of providing pillows and hammocks.
>
>
> Post Edited (Sat 20 Apr 18:52)
Don’t worry.
Thanks to our professionalised operation and commercial nous, branded KDM Group EEP blankets and Comfort Cushions will be available for just £20 extra as an Early Bird season card offer to our loyal valued fans. #upthepars
*Warning, your sanity may be at risk through frustration of watching this brand of guff football and seeing a club in real decline performing well below its capability
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 20 Apr 20:59
Quote:
Paralex, Sat 20 Apr 18:50
Me too, although I was glad to see the end of that game. There were two teenage lassies sitting beside me in the Norrie, and they never looked at the game at all. I could hardly blame them as it looked like we were happy to settle for a nil, nil, draw at home to Queens Park. I got out tout suite, in case the players thought of doing a lap of honour.
If we`re going to keep that style of play up, the club should think of providing pillows and hammocks.
To be fair, when Ive been in attendance this season half of its been spent with my head in my phone 😂
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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Sat 20 Apr 21:16
It`s getting harder and harder to get the kids along, my youngest has not been to the last few games as he just gets bored and I don`t blame him. We look like we have no ideas out there, we almost have a full team to pick from and today it looked like the tactics and formation were wrong
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Sat 20 Apr 21:39
My son asks multiple times throughout the game how much time is left.
The all round experience at EEP is just boring for kids and add to that performances like that, I doubt he’ll be wanting to come next season.
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Topic Originator: Boomer
Date: Sat 20 Apr 23:00
To the saline hill puma gtf and support another team we don’t need so called supporters like you. You are one negative *******. Who do we bring in to manage our team better than JM who has been decent in my opinion. Name me your options.
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sat 20 Apr 23:05
Quote:
Boomer, Sat 20 Apr 23:00
To the saline hill puma gtf and support another team we don’t need so called supporters like you. You are one negative *******. Who do we bring in to manage our team better than JM who has been decent in my opinion. Name me your options.
If we stay in the league then we have done what was required .NOW should we stay in the league then I`m sure next season will expect us to be challenging for play offs
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Topic Originator: doctordandruff
Date: Sat 20 Apr 23:19
I`m another one with a son who hasn`t been to the last few home games through utter boredom. Already decided he doesn`t want a season ticket next year, and will just get tickets for games he wants to come to. I know fine that means he won`t go to any.
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Topic Originator: LEGEND85
Date: Sat 20 Apr 23:20
Quote:
Rigger Al, Sat 20 Apr 23:05
Quote:
Boomer, Sat 20 Apr 23:00
To the saline hill puma gtf and support another team we don’t need so called supporters like you. You are one negative *******. Who do we bring in to manage our team better than JM who has been decent in my opinion. Name me your options.
If we stay in the league then we have done what was required .NOW should we stay in the league then I`m sure next season will expect us to be challenging for play offs[/quote
Challenging for play offs? If next season includes Livingston and nobody else gets promoted I would hope the ambition of the club is to win the league if it`s not then serious question would need to be asked about the direction of the club.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 20 Apr 23:31
Young kids are always going to drop off when the wins and goals dry up. The championship is a tough gig with close games between teams of a similar level. My laddie is 21 soon and this is his first full season supporting the Pars. He gets it now.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: EastEndTales
Date: Sat 20 Apr 23:54
Quote:
da_no_1, Sat 20 Apr 23:31
Young kids are always going to drop off when the wins and goals dry up. The championship is a tough gig with close games between teams of a similar level. My laddie is 21 soon and this is his first full season supporting the Pars. He gets it now.
Poor lad.
Ep.17 of East End Tales is out now with Andrius Skerla
https://www.buzzsprout.com/1972630/15082607
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Topic Originator: Back_oh_the_net
Date: Sun 21 Apr 00:12
Quote:
da_no_1, Sat 20 Apr 23:31
Young kids are always going to drop off when the wins and goals dry up. The championship is a tough gig with close games between teams of a similar level. My laddie is 21 soon and this is his first full season supporting the Pars. He gets it now.
This 100% I have seen worse performances from the pars over the years and in a way you get use to it and learn to really appreciate the good times when they do come along
It’s sad that young folk don’t want to go to the games because we’re Colin nish and I’ll probably get shot down for this but maybe if they want to watch a team that wins every week then perhaps Celtic or Rangers might be more to their liking as clearly a yoyo club like ours isn’t
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Sun 21 Apr 01:14
Quote:
Back_oh_the_net, Sun 21 Apr 00:12
Quote:
da_no_1, Sat 20 Apr 23:31
Young kids are always going to drop off when the wins and goals dry up. The championship is a tough gig with close games between teams of a similar level. My laddie is 21 soon and this is his first full season supporting the Pars. He gets it now.
This 100% I have seen worse performances from the pars over the years and in a way you get use to it and learn to really appreciate the good times when they do come along
It’s sad that young folk don’t want to go to the games because we’re Colin nish and I’ll probably get shot down for this but maybe if they want to watch a team that wins every week then perhaps Celtic or Rangers might be more to their liking as clearly a yoyo club like ours isn’t
He`ll yeah we will be a yoyo club if we are lucky enough to stay up this year ,not a given by the way, most of these players we are lumbered with next year ,with the same ,poor tactics , it`s a relegation fight next year again .
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Topic Originator: the saline hill puma
Date: Sun 21 Apr 07:54
Quote:
Boomer, Sat 20 Apr 23:00
To the saline hill puma gtf and support another team we don’t need so called supporters like you. You are one negative *******. Who do we bring in to manage our team better than JM who has been decent in my opinion. Name me your options.
Getting upset about a post made in February....dry yer eyes ya melt
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Topic Originator: JimDAFC
Date: Sun 21 Apr 09:12
Well I suppose it comes down to whether you want to be entertained or just want to win the points. I mean I don`t see us winning the scottish cup again in my lifetime and I think it could be quite a while if ever we get promotion out of this league so surely the least we can expect is to enjoy watching the team trying to play attacking football with an intent to score goals. OK that`s easier said than done sometimes but I`m not to fussed which league we are in but I do expect a bit of enjoyment from supporting my team. Win or lose.
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Topic Originator: gordi-b
Date: Sun 21 Apr 09:20
I will be renewing my season ticket as per usual , i like the optimism of some some posters saying we ld be challenging for a play off place place next season at least sadly even with our full squad available some of that squad are not champioship level and hopefully we bring in a few that are . COYP
G.B
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 21 Apr 09:27
If we somehow limp over the line and stay in this league we have the same group of garbage next year so anyone expecting anything other than a relegation fight will be in for a shock.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sun 21 Apr 09:54
Quote:
gordi-b, Sun 21 Apr 09:20
I will be renewing my season ticket as per usual , i like the optimism of some some posters saying we ld be challenging for a play off place place next season at least sadly even with our full squad available some of that squad are not champioship level and hopefully we bring in a few that are . COYP
That squad is good enough to compete for playoff places.
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Topic Originator: neilholland999
Date: Sun 21 Apr 10:18
@weemike
I don`t agree with your assessment of the squad being good enough for next season, particularly given that it is unlikely all of our loan signings will be with us again...
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Topic Originator: Murchadh
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:50
Bump.
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:56
Let’s face it we have been awful pre season. The lack of quality is very telling. God help us against the likes of Rovers, Ayr and Falkirk. Think I have had enough of the garbage served up….get him out the door with Cook.
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Topic Originator: Parca_Par
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:56
What influence does Thomas Meggle have though? Does he dictate the style of play? If a new manager comes in, will he be told to play the same way?
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Topic Originator: FA1968
Date: Tue 16 Jul 22:00
I am firmly in the get him pot the door camp, awful turgid rubbish week in week out, the issue would be the dross that our squad is.
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Topic Originator: Steviethepar2
Date: Tue 16 Jul 22:01
Started this season same as last season —- do we even train together or look at mistakes / previous games and learn from that….
Forfar just stayed in shape didn’t particularly attack use etc … however wouldn’t have been unkind if they had won 4-0
Never seen a team that despite apart from 2 players have trained played thru last season etc..
Yet looked like they had met in the car park before the game
That is the manager he has no ability to get a team and shape working
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Tue 16 Jul 22:13
Cook and board are to blame imo. I would like to ask what players McPake wanted to sign that were put to Cook etc? I know 1 player rejected us and signed for the Rovers as they offered a 2 year deal.
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: Pars Athletic
Date: Tue 16 Jul 22:18
The board have a lot to answer for. But mcpake formation is on him. Best game last season we went 4-2-3-1 against Dundee utd at home and spanked them playing good football. He even admitted he was probably too stubborn to change the formation (even when we only had 1 fit CH) He then reverts to playing this horrible style of football. Most people are scunnered with DA at the moment and the league hasn`t even started yet
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Tue 16 Jul 22:20
Alter ego mcpake was given money and used to it mr chocolate Kane board went with him on that.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Tue 16 Jul 22:29
True but I still blame Cook and the Germans for the way we are now!
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Tue 16 Jul 22:51
Mcpake had the chance after a season in the 1st division to get rid of those that got us relegated , he gave some of them new deals . That`s a sackable offence.
Post Edited (Tue 16 Jul 22:51)
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Topic Originator: RossF
Date: Tue 16 Jul 22:53
The board have brought nothing positive to the club. I have to admit, I thought McArthur stepping down was a good thing going forward and thought the Germans coming in would be an exciting move but in hindsight, we were in a much better place fan owned with McArthur in charge.
What use is an academy and training ground if you’re battling relegation in the championship?
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Tue 16 Jul 23:09
We seriously need 4 new 1st team players. Frankly if we aren`t fighting it out at the top 4 after a couple months he needs binned. Should really have done so end of last season
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Tue 16 Jul 23:12
That won’t happen, Andrew. We will be lucky to get one in the door
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: gordi-b
Date: Tue 16 Jul 23:18
The fact he signed a bunch of chancers on long term deals should get him the boot alone
G.B
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Tue 16 Jul 23:24
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Tue 16 Jul 23:12
That won’t happen, Andrew. We will be lucky to get one in the door
Sadly I agree Raymie.
Long,turgid season ahead, here`s hoping I`m wrong
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Wed 17 Jul 00:30
Got to laugh at some comments from April time. Folk saying this squad will compete for play offs. Well at this rate we’ll be lucky to get the relegation play offs
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Topic Originator: Bamba-Daft
Date: Wed 17 Jul 06:27
With our financial predicament it was essential we got out this group, he now needs to win the last 2 to stand any chance. Not qualifying from a group with Forfar, Spartans & cove rangers will be a complete failure and the buck stops with him. Without 3 or 4 starting 11 signings we will be battling relegation again, with no Arbroath to save us this time. This season was a chance to make a real push for promotion, the best chance we’ve had in years.
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Wed 17 Jul 07:54
Should be sacked if we don’t qualify. Enough of the garbage he is serving up. Were on the fast track back to league one.
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Topic Originator: Vamos Pars
Date: Wed 17 Jul 09:15
McPake, Cook and Fussball GmbH out. Ross McArthur worked so hard for this club and look at us now. We’ve regressed so far under this ownership. We need a complete reset on and off the park.
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Topic Originator: gordi-b
Date: Wed 17 Jul 09:26
We have made no real progress the last few years, i,m thinking the German mentality is as long as we stay in the championship and they get their beloved Academy everything is rosy , unfortunatley that is not what the support wants, we won the 1st division without impressing and gave contracts to 1st division standard players and we are now paying the price for that, i thought Mcpake was the man to bring much needed respect and credibility to our beloved club , i am seriously doubting that now
G.B
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Topic Originator: Par
Date: Wed 17 Jul 09:39
The German model appears to be minimum investment in the first team and minimum investment in the training site making the maximum use of grants. I`m not sure why we can`t compete with other clubs in our league with our fan base. Not sure what the German`s and Full time CEO have added. Is the German model to make money from any player that can be brought through the academy, and do they really care for our club.
Post Edited (Wed 17 Jul 09:40)
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Wed 17 Jul 09:43
Quote:
Par, Wed 17 Jul 09:39
The German model appears to be minimum investment in the first team and minimum investment in the training site making the maximum use of grants. I`m not sure why we can`t compete with other clubs in our league with our fan base. Not sure what the German`s and Full time CEO have added. Is the German model to make money from any player that can be brought through the academy, and do they really care for our club.
It`s pointless trying to make profit from players in this league. The money we`ve made from Nisbet and Edwards we`ve lost it all anyway.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 17 Jul 09:48
I think it’s been clearly pointed out on so many occasions that our owners want sustainability in the club.
To not have any financial input would render the end of us. For all the suggestions of “getting rid” there’s never any in the way of who would come in with the same clout and expectations never mind experience and long term goals.
I don’t envy anyone who takes on that kind of mammoth task. I can’t even begin to imagine the stress levels involved in running a football club.
Afore anyone jumps on me - I’m not happy at the mistakes from last season laying before us now in this tournament. I’ve not been at the friendlies nor any of the cup rounds but I can read and I listen to friends and family who have been in attendance). Something that irritated me at probably the last supporters meeting end of season was our manager admitting mistakes were made with rushing players back from injury despite denying the same mistakes at earlier meetings. We the fans thought it and I wondered what our ceo thought hearing this and how to move forward and still have confidence in the manager. I’ve no idea about budgets etc or who’s responsible but the manager’s courier interview a few weeks ago seemed like a shout for help, in that respect.
I don’t have the answers but trying to remain optimistic and hopeful will only take the hit if things don’t change, especially in the new season.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 17 Jul 10:00
Agree with Buffy.
I`d be interested in hearing about the Pars fans who have millions of pounds burning a hole in their pocket ready to invest in the club!
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Wed 17 Jul 10:00
Quote:
buffy, Wed 17 Jul 09:48
I think it’s been clearly pointed out on so many occasions that our owners want sustainability in the club.
To not have any financial input would render the end of us. For all the suggestions of “getting rid” there’s never any in the way of who would come in with the same clout and expectations never mind experience and long term goals.
I don’t envy anyone who takes on that kind of mammoth task. I can’t even begin to imagine the stress levels involved in running a football club.
Afore anyone jumps on me - I’m not happy at the mistakes from last season laying before us now in this tournament. I’ve not been at the friendlies nor any of the cup rounds but I can read and I listen to friends and family who have been in attendance). Something that irritated me at probably the last supporters meeting end of season was our manager admitting mistakes were made with rushing players back from injury despite denying the same mistakes at earlier meetings. We the fans thought it and I wondered what our ceo thought hearing this and how to move forward and still have confidence in the manager. I’ve no idea about budgets etc or who’s responsible but the manager’s courier interview a few weeks ago seemed like a shout for help, in that respect.
I don’t have the answers but trying to remain optimistic and hopeful will only take the hit if things don’t change, especially in the new season.
The manager needs help with the signing of quality experienced players, we can all see it. I hope we do enough to stay up but we are definitely in a relegation battle, no doubt about it.
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Topic Originator: DJAS
Date: Wed 17 Jul 10:03
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jake89, Wed 17 Jul 10:00
Agree with Buffy.
I`d be interested in hearing about the Pars fans who have millions of pounds burning a hole in their pocket ready to invest in the club!
Don’t turn this on the support. People are frustrated after last night and want to vent. Let them vent.
Predictor league winner 2012/2013
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Topic Originator: ParfectXI
Date: Wed 17 Jul 10:50
We need a proper clear out from the manager down. We have gone backwards throughout the club from playing performances to communication with the fans!
I can honest say I’ve never felt so uninspired and disenchanted as we go into a new season. As we watch the Rovers, Airdrie and Ayr outcompete us in the transfer market this season and we watch the sh*t we are being served up yesterday and for a good 60 mins on Saturday at Spartans you have to ask where it all went wrong!
I honestly think though a GOOD manager could get these players performing well (with a couple of desperately needed signings), however, that’s not gonna happen with McPake and his muckers. Unfortunately it’s gonna cost us to get rid of them, but then it’ll cost us even more if we get relegated and continue not making cup runs (when was the last time we made any decent money in the cup? Seems like forever ago).
I think we all know this ain’t gonna happen until it’s too late though and we’ll be stuck watching awful relegation worth football!
Too much focus on the academy at the expense of the first team!
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 17 Jul 11:05
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DJAS, Wed 17 Jul 10:03
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jake89, Wed 17 Jul 10:00
Agree with Buffy.
I`d be interested in hearing about the Pars fans who have millions of pounds burning a hole in their pocket ready to invest in the club!
Don’t turn this on the support. People are frustrated after last night and want to vent. Let them vent.
Not trying to but the fact is there`s no-one banging on the door to give us money. We`ve got guys who are trying hard to get the club in a position whereby it`s self sufficient and doesn`t need hand outs from directors. That all said, I completely accept the frustration at how things are panning out. Perhaps the 7 year plan needs extended to allow for a longer transition period?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 17 Jul 11:06
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ParfectXI, Wed 17 Jul 10:50
We need a proper clear out from the manager down. We have gone backwards throughout the club from playing performances to communication with the fans!
I can honest say I’ve never felt so uninspired and disenchanted as we go into a new season. As we watch the Rovers, Airdrie and Ayr outcompete us in the transfer market this season and we watch the sh*t we are being served up yesterday and for a good 60 mins on Saturday at Spartans you have to ask where it all went wrong!
I honestly think though a GOOD manager could get these players performing well (with a couple of desperately needed signings), however, that’s not gonna happen with McPake and his muckers. Unfortunately it’s gonna cost us to get rid of them, but then it’ll cost us even more if we get relegated and continue not making cup runs (when was the last time we made any decent money in the cup? Seems like forever ago).
I think we all know this ain’t gonna happen until it’s too late though and we’ll be stuck watching awful relegation worth football!
Too much focus on the academy at the expense of the first team!
As with every call to get rid of a manager I always ask who would replace them. I can`t imagine paying off all these managers has been cheap. This isn`t a dig btw. My personal feeling is McPake isn`t the one to progress this team but equally don`t know who is.
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Topic Originator: JamesAndrew74
Date: Wed 17 Jul 11:17
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jake89, Wed 17 Jul 11:05
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DJAS, Wed 17 Jul 10:03
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jake89, Wed 17 Jul 10:00
Agree with Buffy.
I`d be interested in hearing about the Pars fans who have millions of pounds burning a hole in their pocket ready to invest in the club!
Don’t turn this on the support. People are frustrated after last night and want to vent. Let them vent.
Not trying to but the fact is there`s no-one banging on the door to give us money. We`ve got guys who are trying hard to get the club in a position whereby it`s self sufficient and doesn`t need hand outs from directors. That all said, I completely accept the frustration at how things are panning out. Perhaps the 7 year plan needs extended to allow for a longer transition period?
There’s always people willing to invest, there’s never been a full time team fail without somebody stepping in so to suggest we’re stuck with the Germans or else is crazy and wrong. We might not like the next owners but they are out there and would likely invest in our squad far more than this.
Every team after admin (Dundee, Motherwell, Hearts, Livingston, The Rangers) have all spent considerable time above us in the pecking order. Granted a couple expectedly but no reason for us to accept the total underspend on our club which we’re now seeing.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 17 Jul 11:45
It`s quite interesting to scroll down this thread from the beginning. Murchadh`s so proud if its witty title he resurrects it after every poor result. The wonder is that we`re still in the Championship because, after a poor result, most of the wise guys on here were predicting we`d struggle to win another game and be relegated. McPake was criticised for bringing in untried loanees. Ironically one of them, MFW, is the sort of player these critics would probably like him to have signed this transfer window.
Last night was a horrendous performance and result but it need not define our season.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Wed 17 Jul 11:47
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jake89, Wed 17 Jul 10:00
Agree with Buffy.
I`d be interested in hearing about the Pars fans who have millions of pounds burning a hole in their pocket ready to invest in the club!
The fans put a fortune in the club already and you want us to put in more to avoid the owners having to invest?
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: The Boss
Date: Wed 17 Jul 11:50
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Wotsit, Wed 17 Jul 11:47
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jake89, Wed 17 Jul 10:00
Agree with Buffy.
I`d be interested in hearing about the Pars fans who have millions of pounds burning a hole in their pocket ready to invest in the club!
The fans put a fortune in the club already and you want us to put in more to avoid the owners having to invest?
This 100%. There was a Dunfermline Athletic FC before these “investors” took over and there will still be a DAFC long after their experiment has ended and they leave.
I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
Post Edited (Wed 17 Jul 11:52)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 17 Jul 12:04
I think the point is that money from fans in the form of ticket sales, hospitality, merchandise etc isn`t enough to sustain a competitive team, even in the Scottish Championship. Aren`t Raith, Partick, Ayr, QP etc proving that? All have outside investment and, if we lost ours, we`d have to replace it with another source. We`d probably prefer if it were someone with an emotional attachment to the club but that restricts the options unfortunately.
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Topic Originator: Parfect69
Date: Wed 17 Jul 12:29
Remember the days, first day of a new season, sun shining,excited to cheer on the new signings….. now, how things have changed. Speaking for myself, complete apathy and certainty not excited:-(
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Topic Originator: Benny74
Date: Wed 17 Jul 12:30
It’s the business model. We exist to sell young players. We have a first team and nothing else. The Germans are killing the club.
Benny74
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 17 Jul 12:39
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Parfect69, Wed 17 Jul 12:29
Remember the days, first day of a new season, sun shining,excited to cheer on the new signings….. now, how things have changed. Speaking for myself, complete apathy and certainty not excited:-(
I swithered about doing the updates for another season. (Mair comebacks than Frank Sinatra, I know).
Trying hard to get the smile on and look forward.
Maybe I’m just needing a holiday!
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Wed 17 Jul 12:47
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Benny74, Wed 17 Jul 12:30
It’s the business model. We exist to sell young players. We have a first team and nothing else. The Germans are killing the club.
Personally want them out. It’s only going to get worse for them moving forward.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 17 Jul 12:52
`Topic Originator: Benny74 like
Date: Wed 17 Jul 12:30
It’s the business model. We exist to sell young players. We have a first team and nothing else. The Germans are killing the club.`
I don`t understand this post. I thought the main criticism of the board was that they don`t invest enough in the first team? Can anyone explain it?
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 17 Jul 12:53
I`m an eternal optimist as far as the Pars go & I`m regularly accused on here of blindly defending the club whatever they do.
That being said, I`m utterly sick of where we find ourselves just now. I`ve just started my 40th season watching the Pars and I can`t remember feeling less optimistic about a season than I do at this point.
Our owners seem oblivious to the fact that so many fans are so disillusioned with the club & the way it`s being run.
I can absolutely handle losing a few games & the normal sh1te that football fans at this level have to put up with but it just seems like everywhere you turn there is something not right. Apart from the new away top I can`t think of ANYTHING that our owners are getting right.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Wed 17 Jul 13:15
who started the club on this path?
who picked out investors to continue on that path because they didnt have the money?
a path that will never work, that 99% fans have no interest in whatsoever....and here we are surprise surprise.
sell up and get someone in who will spend everything on the first team with loads of signings every window.
Post Edited (Wed 17 Jul 18:49)
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 17 Jul 13:26
Having a 2nd available goalie at the club is an absolute necessity
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 17 Jul 13:29
I think people are missing the point I`m making.
Prior to the German consortium coming in we were fan owned. We had various directors, fans, volunteers etc all putting money into the club. It wasn`t enough. If it was, Ross and co wouldn`t have sought out investors. I recall Ross highlighting they`d discovered the flood lights were incorrectly installed 20 odd years ago and needed replaced and they wouldn`t be able to afford it.
Whilst I`m supportive of the approach the consortium are taking, it`s very hard to keep an academy running without an increase in revenue to support it. In 5 years this may be different as it should be providing players or acting as an incentive to better players to come here. That all takes time.
In my view there needs to be other ways for fans with serious money to invest their cash in the Pars, even if it`s just for the short term. However, where ARE the fans with money to burn? We`ve got loads of Lifeline members which is great but do we have any big business people who don`t mind throwing some cash at the club, or can use it as a way of relieving some tax pressures?
For what it`s worth, I think we have a solid squad but the issue is confidence. They look fed up, depressed, tired. We should be looking at bringing in a sports psychologist if we don`t have one.
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Topic Originator: RossF
Date: Wed 17 Jul 13:39
Jake89 in response to your previous question I think the popular choice would be Rhys McCabe. Airdrie lose key players each season but always seem to rebuild and manage to stay playing football the right way. They always seem to bring in young talent as well, which is exactly what we’re after. I think their new striker from Northern Ireland could be an exciting addition.
Sadly, I don’t think he would have much interest joining us. He’s most likely going to move onto bigger and better things.
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Wed 17 Jul 13:47
most of the signings are from McNamara`s client list including that striker, even McCabe is one which is why he got the job in the first place so it would be easier for those players to be signed (apparently).
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Topic Originator: LEGEND85
Date: Wed 17 Jul 13:53
would mccabe be a popular choice he wasn`t a popular player in the same way our supporters didn`t like Nicky Clark.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Wed 17 Jul 14:00
The thing with the whole concept of the academy providing players for the first team is that firstly they have to play, and secondly it doesn`t actually save us any money. It`s not like we pay fees for players (Chalmers being the only one I can think ofnin the last few seasons before Otoo and Ritchie-Hosler?) so they`d basically be taking the place of players we bring in on free transfers? They might command less wages initially but if they turn out to be decent then they`ll soon move up to a more commensurate wage.
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Wed 17 Jul 15:08
Quote:
Benny74, Wed 17 Jul 12:30
It’s the business model. We exist to sell young players. We have a first team and nothing else. The Germans are killing the club.
This business model is flawed, we will never sell on enough youngsters to sustain ourselves, there are simply not enough good players in Fife , or ones that we can entice to our program, think how many decent players Fife has produced in the last 20 years ,how many would have came to us ?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 17 Jul 15:09
Isn`t the hope that some of them will do well enough to attract interest from wealthier clubs who will be prepared to pay fees for their services?
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Wed 17 Jul 15:15
It will save money in the long run due to training facilities being available, and also not providing accommodation for new signings or loan deals.
I think we will play them, but the level won`t be great unless we have a phenomenal coaching team from grass roots up.
The only way to find out is to try. The problem is that we are paying for it now both on and off the field.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 17 Jul 15:15
The academy serves a dual purpose - develop our own talent rather than buying it (and hopefully sell for a profit) AND provide an attractive training base for players.
I`d agree on McCabe. He was a bit of a marmite player but he`s done wonders at Airdrie and I like his attitude.
As said above though, attitude is an issue. The players need a boost.
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Topic Originator: Parfect69
Date: Wed 17 Jul 15:19
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wee eck, Wed 17 Jul 15:09
Isn`t the hope that some of them will do well enough to attract interest from wealthier clubs who will be prepared to pay fees for their services?
Yes it is, however until the time we uncover a gem, the first team squad will suffer with lack of recruitment and giving existing players new contracts who perhaps don’t deserve one. Tactics are James and Dave’s responsibility which at the moment are very frustrating. Having said that the lack of signings or to be able to compete with other clubs for players is 100% down to the board for them to live out their academy dream which in my opinion is unsustainable.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 17 Jul 15:48
`He who pays the piper calls the tune`.
Despite fans` supporting the idea of sustainability what they really want is somebody to come along and finance their dreams from their personal wealth by boosting the budget every season with the likelihood they will never get their money back.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Wed 17 Jul 16:14
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weemike, Wed 17 Jul 15:15
It will save money in the long run due to training facilities being available, and also not providing accommodation for new signings or loan deals.
I think we will play them, but the level won`t be great unless we have a phenomenal coaching team from grass roots up.
The only way to find out is to try. The problem is that we are paying for it now both on and off the field.
Let`s not pretend it`s an Amazing facility it`s an astro with some cabins. Better than we first had yesterday but it`s hardly state of the art.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Wed 17 Jul 16:16
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cammypar 1995, Wed 17 Jul 16:14
Quote:
weemike, Wed 17 Jul 15:15
It will save money in the long run due to training facilities being available, and also not providing accommodation for new signings or loan deals.
I think we will play them, but the level won`t be great unless we have a phenomenal coaching team from grass roots up.
The only way to find out is to try. The problem is that we are paying for it now both on and off the field.
Let`s not pretend it`s an Amazing facility it`s an astro with some cabins. Better than we first had yesterday but it`s hardly state of the art.
It’s not amazing but will be better or on par than every other team in our league.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Wed 17 Jul 16:35
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cammypar 1995, Wed 17 Jul 16:14
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weemike, Wed 17 Jul 15:15
It will save money in the long run due to training facilities being available, and also not providing accommodation for new signings or loan deals.
I think we will play them, but the level won`t be great unless we have a phenomenal coaching team from grass roots up.
The only way to find out is to try. The problem is that we are paying for it now both on and off the field.
Let`s not pretend it`s an Amazing facility it`s an astro with some cabins. Better than we first had yesterday but it`s hardly state of the art.
I haven`t said it was state of the art, but it gives the 10-18 year olds somewhere to learn the fundamentals of the 11 a side game.
And somewhere for the first team to train.
We either do this, or we continue to do what every other club does and just sign players from the same pool over and over again. We might as well try setting up a youth pathway to the first team.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Wed 17 Jul 18:01
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weemike, Wed 17 Jul 16:35
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cammypar 1995, Wed 17 Jul 16:14
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weemike, Wed 17 Jul 15:15
It will save money in the long run due to training facilities being available, and also not providing accommodation for new signings or loan deals.
I think we will play them, but the level won`t be great unless we have a phenomenal coaching team from grass roots up.
The only way to find out is to try. The problem is that we are paying for it now both on and off the field.
Let`s not pretend it`s an Amazing facility it`s an astro with some cabins. Better than we first had yesterday but it`s hardly state of the art.
I haven`t said it was state of the art, but it gives the 10-18 year olds somewhere to learn the fundamentals of the 11 a side game.
And somewhere for the first team to train.
We either do this, or we continue to do what every other club does and just sign players from the same pool over and over again. We might as well try setting up a youth pathway to the first team.
Only works if we have guys looking at youngsters there are a lot of examples of us not even looking at players who have gone on to sign for other clubs nearby. We have hardly had an extensive past bringing young players through who have gone on to have good careers either. Matty todd looks probably league 1 or lower championship.
Although signing guys and letting them improve on our first team has with nisbet and Edwards the most recent also otoo will probably join the list.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 17 Jul 18:24
They haven’t finished the academy yet so there’s no point in saying what’s there just now.
Everything takes time. The benefits from it will take time.
I don’t agree with the notion that the owners are taking the club backwards.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Wed 17 Jul 18:29
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cammypar 1995, Wed 17 Jul 18:01
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weemike, Wed 17 Jul 16:35
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cammypar 1995, Wed 17 Jul 16:14
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weemike, Wed 17 Jul 15:15
It will save money in the long run due to training facilities being available, and also not providing accommodation for new signings or loan deals.
I think we will play them, but the level won`t be great unless we have a phenomenal coaching team from grass roots up.
The only way to find out is to try. The problem is that we are paying for it now both on and off the field.
Let`s not pretend it`s an Amazing facility it`s an astro with some cabins. Better than we first had yesterday but it`s hardly state of the art.
I haven`t said it was state of the art, but it gives the 10-18 year olds somewhere to learn the fundamentals of the 11 a side game.
And somewhere for the first team to train.
We either do this, or we continue to do what every other club does and just sign players from the same pool over and over again. We might as well try setting up a youth pathway to the first team.
Only works if we have guys looking at youngsters there are a lot of examples of us not even looking at players who have gone on to sign for other clubs nearby. We have hardly had an extensive past bringing young players through who have gone on to have good careers either. Matty todd looks probably league 1 or lower championship.
Although signing guys and letting them improve on our first team has with nisbet and Edwards the most recent also otoo will probably join the list.
All youngsters at the moment are a product of Fife elite, we won`t see any of our own for a few years yet.
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Topic Originator: John-Boy
Date: Wed 17 Jul 18:33
Football for me is about entertainment.
And for me there are 3 factors; Winning, the atmosphere and how we play. If you nail 2 of them, I’ll be entertained.
At the moment, the way we play is turgid. The atmosphere has suffered because of this. And we have not had a consistent run of wins for a year.
Why can Airdrie play such an expansive style of football yet we can’t?
Do you think I'm the man?
A) Yes, B) A or C) B
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 17 Jul 18:41
The club was self sustainable under the previous ownership…..we weren’t making huge loses and were competitive in the Championship.
Since the Germans took over we have been relegated, lost £1m in a season, got promoted from a poor League One then struggled to avoid the drop last year. Now we are going into another season with a threadbare squad and a manager thats out of his depth tactically. Oh and an astro pitch and portacabins on a disused junior park.
How are people not feeling the need to question these owners and their record so far?
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Wed 17 Jul 18:42
Only works with Airdrie because McCabe can get a tune out of his players and plays a system which suits what he has at his disposal.
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Topic Originator: DJAS
Date: Wed 17 Jul 18:59
The scouts are out there looking at the local boys I know that for sure. Also it can’t be helped if young boys turn us down either.
Predictor league winner 2012/2013
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Wed 17 Jul 19:04
Quote:
Dave_1885, Wed 17 Jul 18:41
The club was self sustainable under the previous ownership…..we weren’t making huge loses and were competitive in the Championship.
Since the Germans took over we have been relegated, lost £1m in a season, got promoted from a poor League One then struggled to avoid the drop last year. Now we are going into another season with a threadbare squad and a manager thats out of his depth tactically. Oh and an astro pitch and portacabins on a disused junior park.
How are people not feeling the need to question these owners and their record so far?
The club wasn`t self sustainable and required outside funding to keep it competitive in the championship. That was the whole point of accepting the investment.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 17 Jul 19:48
I don`t know why people think the club was sustainable then. It was reliant on regular contributions from fans and directors and could barely keep the lights on (literally). I imagine a big issue was appointing a complete charlatan on the back of Billy Braisby thinking he was a decent guy. We had to pay that idiot off AND the idiot who replaced him. That wasn`t cheap.
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Topic Originator: JamesAndrew74
Date: Wed 17 Jul 20:17
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jake89, Wed 17 Jul 19:48
I don`t know why people think the club was sustainable then. It was reliant on regular contributions from fans and directors and could barely keep the lights on (literally). I imagine a big issue was appointing a complete charlatan on the back of Billy Braisby thinking he was a decent guy. We had to pay that idiot off AND the idiot who replaced him. That wasn`t cheap.
I think you’ll find it was Thomas Meggle who appointed Peter Grant and JH. Said as much at the supporters meeting and he was at the interview with Ross only. Both relatively poor appointments to be fair. Problems go far deeper than that now and we’re all over the place
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 17 Jul 20:26
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JamesAndrew74, Wed 17 Jul 20:17
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jake89, Wed 17 Jul 19:48
I don`t know why people think the club was sustainable then. It was reliant on regular contributions from fans and directors and could barely keep the lights on (literally). I imagine a big issue was appointing a complete charlatan on the back of Billy Braisby thinking he was a decent guy. We had to pay that idiot off AND the idiot who replaced him. That wasn`t cheap.
I think you’ll find it was Thomas Meggle who appointed Peter Grant and JH. Said as much at the supporters meeting and he was at the interview with Ross only. Both relatively poor appointments to be fair. Problems go far deeper than that now and we’re all over the place
TM appointed him on the recommendation of Braisby. I`m not sure he was even interviewed! God knows who appointed JH. Regardless, it will have cost a pretty penny paying both off.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Wed 17 Jul 20:28
Alloa played some great football when Crawford Pars smashed them though...
Jesus wept that decision is going to cost us for years
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Topic Originator: dover par
Date: Wed 17 Jul 20:42
Quote:
Dave_1885, Wed 17 Jul 18:41
The club was self sustainable under the previous ownership…..we weren’t making huge loses and were competitive in the Championship.
Since the Germans took over we have been relegated, lost £1m in a season, got promoted from a poor League One then struggled to avoid the drop last year. Now we are going into another season with a threadbare squad and a manager thats out of his depth tactically. Oh and an astro pitch and portacabins on a disused junior park.
How are people not feeling the need to question these owners and their record so far?
Complete bollox
"Pressure is something you feel when you don't know what the hell you're doing."
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Topic Originator: theparsman1885
Date: Wed 17 Jul 20:52
It was McArthur who the consortium bought into. And he bought into them. He was tired and needed out. Perhaps he picked the wrong investors?
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Wed 17 Jul 21:05
Well well and I did state about 5 years ago when the German investors took over it will end up in fans not happy/where’s money going etc? I was bullied and called every name from fellow posters on here at the time AND here we are!
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 17 Jul 21:12
Quote:
dover par, Wed 17 Jul 20:42
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Dave_1885, Wed 17 Jul 18:41
The club was self sustainable under the previous ownership…..we weren’t making huge loses and were competitive in the Championship.
Since the Germans took over we have been relegated, lost £1m in a season, got promoted from a poor League One then struggled to avoid the drop last year. Now we are going into another season with a threadbare squad and a manager thats out of his depth tactically. Oh and an astro pitch and portacabins on a disused junior park.
How are people not feeling the need to question these owners and their record so far?
Complete bollox
The first line, maybe, but whats bollocks about the rest exactly?
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Topic Originator: theparsman1885
Date: Wed 17 Jul 21:18
Alter Ego wrote:
> Well well and I did state about 5 years ago when the German
> investors took over it will end up in fans not happy/where’s
> money going etc? I was bullied and called every name from
> fellow posters on here at the time AND here we are!
>
>
Pleased for you. Congrats on typing that paragraph one handed too. ✊🏻
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Wed 17 Jul 21:30
I’m not against McPake in the slightest to be honest, he got us promoted and kept us clear of relegation during a season of turmoil with the injuries we suffered. So he’s yet to have a black mark on his card for me.
I think the problem is further up. There is absolutely no chance McPake is happy with the squad he’s got and he’ll have wanted a number of players that by the sounds of it we refused to compete for because it fell out of our wage structure.
That would sound sensible, possibly is, but what is the wage structure, how does it compare to other teams as other clubs are signing them up quick and fast and I’m not buying the whole gambling with the finances which tends to be the reason positioned.
The clubs made a decision to invest in the academy, thinking long term, and only time will tell whether that will bear fruit but in the meantime I think it’s completely hamstrung McPakes ability to bring in the players and quality he’s after.
He has a very small and very youthful squad, that’s going to bring problems and plenty of inconsistency and having time to think about it, whilst that performance versus Forfar was completely turgid and the tactics were incorrect, if we’re playing young players against tall and physical players in a deep formation, think we’re always going to struggle.
McPake can only play with the cards he’s dealt.
Post Edited (Wed 17 Jul 21:31)
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Wed 17 Jul 21:43
Far too early to have the knives out at this stage. Looks like some are forever coiled and ready to spring at the first provocation. Yeah, the result against Forfar was dire and a hard one to take but maybe they had a fantastic night, when everything clicked, never to be repeated again this season, and we had an equally bad one. There`s no magic wand to get us winning leagues and cups and if we think there`s a brilliantly gifted manager, who can make our team suddenly perform like world beaters, just waiting for us to sign him up, think again. We need to let the dust settle and sober up. Unless we have a billionaire waiting in the shadows to splurge his wealth on the team, it looks like we`re stuck with what we have, so my advice is like it or lump it.
The easiest course of action, of course, is to turn on the wee greetin` boy`s attitude and say " that`s it I`m no buying a season ticket noo". Not the attitude to see anybody through a crisis.
Post Edited (Wed 17 Jul 21:48)
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 17 Jul 21:46
Quote:
Alter Ego, Wed 17 Jul 21:05
Well well and I did state about 5 years ago when the German investors took over it will end up in fans not happy/where’s money going etc? I was bullied and called every name from fellow posters on here at the time AND here we are!
Throw enough sh1t at a wall.....
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Wed 17 Jul 21:50
Well I did say this at the time and I got slated/carded and made to feel like an outcast on here… All apologies accepted now😅 Anyway it’s going to be a long season!
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Wed 17 Jul 21:53
if we’re playing young players against tall and physical players in a deep formation, think we’re always going to struggle.
McPake can only play with the cards he’s dealt.
I couldn`t disagree more. He doesn`t play his hands well. He sticks to a rigid starting formation it makes us very predictable. It`s almost like he doesn`t plan for our opposition. The writing has been on the wall all last season, the dundee utd game papered over the cracks. Even with the squad back at the end of the season we were pihs.
The insistence on playing mehmet howler after howler.
Nearly every player seems to be suffocated by the tactics, I`m a firm believer that the likes of McCann would flourish under another system.
KRH should hug the touchline trying to spring the offside trap......nah we`ll play him more central.
We are a boring side with no tempo to either the defensive pressing side or our attacking passing play.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 17 Jul 21:58
Quote:
da_no_1, Wed 17 Jul 21:46
Quote:
Alter Ego, Wed 17 Jul 21:05
Well well and I did state about 5 years ago when the German investors took over it will end up in fans not happy/where’s money going etc? I was bullied and called every name from fellow posters on here at the time AND here we are!
Throw enough sh1t at a wall.....
Even you have said that in 40 years of being a Pars fan you are now waning in your support……cant bemoan someone for feeling they made the right prediction 😂
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Topic Originator: LEGEND85
Date: Wed 17 Jul 21:58
Quote:
Paralex, Wed 17 Jul 21:43
Far too early to have the knives out at this stage. Looks like some are forever coiled and ready to spring at the first provocation. Yeah, the result against Forfar was dire and a hard one to take but maybe they had a fantastic night, when everything clicked, never to be repeated again this season, and we had an equally bad one. There`s no magic wand to get us winning leagues and cups and if we think there`s a brilliantly gifted manager, who can make our team suddenly perform like world beaters, just waiting for us to sign him up, think again. We need to let the dust settle and sober up. Unless we have a billionaire waiting in the shadows to splurge his wealth on the team, it looks like we`re stuck with what we have, so my advice is like it or lump it.
The easiest course of action, of course, is to turn on the wee greetin` boy`s attitude and say " that`s it I`m no buying a season ticket noo". Not the attitude to see anybody through a crisis.
It wasn`t a one of performance though was it we stank the place out on Saturday as well and if you don`t believe me listen to McPake interview
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Topic Originator: Gaz3822
Date: Wed 17 Jul 22:04
,
"" it looks like we`re stuck with what we have, so my advice is like it or lump it.
The easiest course of action, of course, is to turn on the wee greetin` boy`s attitude and say " that`s it I`m no buying a season ticket noo". Not the attitude to see anybody through a crisis""
What will people on here be saying if we get pumped by the Rovers AGAIN and Falkirk in all our games against them.
Not going to go down well that`s for sure. And another roasting for us over social media again. We would be an even bigger laughing stock this time round. No fans of any club would stay quiet about that. The club must know this, their`s and McPake`s bank credit will hit rock bottom. It`s what fans do.
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Wed 17 Jul 22:08
some one else can tell him.....
"in the meantime I think it’s completely hamstrung McPakes ability to bring in the players and quality he’s after."
hows about adapting to the situation in front of you? find other targets within the budget that is agreed?
"Perhaps he picked the wrong investors?"
did he not even "joke" about fifers having a lack of patience in one of the interviews when it was announced?
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Wed 17 Jul 22:14
"What will people on here be saying if we get pumped by the Rovers AGAIN and Falkirk in all our games against them "
Sounds like you`re pre-empting a disaster situation that hasn`t happened yet. Maybe a bit of wishful thinking?
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Topic Originator: Gaz3822
Date: Wed 17 Jul 22:22
Why would it be wishful thinking Paralex, what a stupid thing to say.
Pars fans on here and over social media are concerned about the squad and McPake`s ability already
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 17 Jul 22:30
Yeah, I don`t understand these hypothetical doomsday scenarios before a ball has even been kicked in the League. Falkirk are already being hyped the way they were when we were in League 1. It`s weird.
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Topic Originator: LEGEND85
Date: Wed 17 Jul 22:41
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 17 Jul 22:30
Yeah, I don`t understand these hypothetical doomsday scenarios before a ball has even been kicked in the League. Falkirk are already being hyped the way they were when we were in League 1. It`s weird.
because we are garbage
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 17 Jul 22:47
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 17 Jul 22:30
Yeah, I don`t understand these hypothetical doomsday scenarios before a ball has even been kicked in the League. Falkirk are already being hyped the way they were when we were in League 1. It`s weird.
We just got beat at home by a part time team 2 leagues below us in a competition that we wanted to do well in with no sub keeper on the bench…….but lets wait till the league starts to think about the prospect of losing to our two biggest rivals
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Wed 17 Jul 22:52
Iv no doubt we will start ok then some players gets an injury and it goes through the squad…But what do I know and still get abusive posts that admin are ok with?
Then it’s panic loans to bed up the squad🤷
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 17 Jul 22:57
Where have you been "abused"?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Wed 17 Jul 23:02
One of whom we play in, what, three weeks?
I get folk saying that McPake maybe hasn`t had the opportunity to bring in the players he wanted etc, but for me the football has been dull, mostly ineffective and a chore to watch. He got away with it in League One because ultimately we won the league easily but even then there were a lot of games that were a tough watch. He seems quite Southgate like in his caution and reluctance to take the handbrake off as they say. Which again was fine in League One as our defence was solid at that level but seems foolish in the division above.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 17 Jul 23:25
Our defence was pretty solid last season as I recall despite being without Bene, Fisher and Breen for long spells and the aberration of losing 8 goals in two consecutive home games. Those predicting Armageddon are probably the same ones who couldn`t see another win coming after that and then were complaining that we didn`t make the promotion play-offs. Football has a funny way of confounding predictions, especially those made early in the season.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 17 Jul 23:33
An well it is a forum after all - we’re not all going to agree on the same things.
Who’d be a football manager eh?
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Wed 17 Jul 23:34
Quote:
buffy, Wed 17 Jul 23:33
An well it is a forum after all - we’re not all going to agree on the same things.
Who’d be a football manager eh?
Some on here may learn one day not everyone agrees with them Buffy. One day
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Wed 17 Jul 23:47
Oh I know mostly all the posters in this thread were abusive towards myself when I was worried about the club and investors taking over…you all have a short memory eh?? It’s not the management but decisions above them that are affecting the club… I’m surprised McPake hasn’t told them to bolt by now tbh….
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 18 Jul 00:01
McPake bought into the idea of developing our own players did he not? I`m sure that was something that attracted him to the job because he enjoys that side of management.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Thu 18 Jul 01:35
Jings min, what a mess.
Not even kicked a ball in the league yet, and we are relegated, humiliated. Sack the manager and sack the board.
It`s mental. Banging away like it has all happened, and actually nothing has happened.
There is a massive leap from harbouring some concern about how you see things working out, and most of the utter mince that`s getting splattered on this thread.
At least let the league get underway before you start insisting on regime change.
Ffs, it`s all I`ve heard for 15 years on here.
"I told you so, nya nya nya, and here we are, nya nya nya." Get a frigging dummy tit and get back in your pram.
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Topic Originator: Kba990309
Date: Thu 18 Jul 07:59
My opinion is we are failing ON the pitch due to Mcpakes stubbornness to keep playing with three at the back that by the looks of it none of the players like playing and an issue with training which is causing all the injuries I think we have two good cdm"s in otoo and Hamilton that can cover a back four and frees up attacking players to do what there ment to be doing.
Keith allan
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 18 Jul 08:32
He switched to a back four on Tuesday after they scored the first goal and there was no improvement. The players have to take some responsibility for an absolutely dire performance.
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Thu 18 Jul 08:42
I`m sure there are some folks on dafc dot net privvy to what`s going on regarding bringing in players and how wages are structured. For the rest of us it is all guess work .
However Mcpake needs to set the team out where players are actually playing in their correct positions, and not shoehorned into a position or a system that will never get the best from them , at present there is no excuse to change our system to suit our personnel as we have most players available.
The Forfar game is not the only Turgid game of late it has only put the icing on the cake for all to see , the same old mistakes as usual, but Until we get other players in the door ( or not) Mcpake needs to adapt !
Like others at present I am not happy at what I am seeing on the park and that is not all down to the manager
End of rant , hopefully things will change or again it`s a long long season and it`s not even begun
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Topic Originator: LEGEND85
Date: Thu 18 Jul 09:12
You wonder how the players feel just now what is the mindset.
How do they view the current situation, Do players like Bene, Comrie and Hamilton look around them and think god we`ve got a right good chance this season or do they sit there and think the opposite.
Players don`t need to buy into the club philosophy and they probably aren`t stupid either.
If players view this season the same as the majority of the fans that it`s going to be an uphill struggle what does that do for the mindset or motivation.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Thu 18 Jul 09:55
I think you have to separate out perception and perspective. My perception was that I wanted to see a successful Pars team so another poor performance prompts high emotion and associated responses. My expectation this season was to see an improvement in the squad and results.
My perspective is that it is early in the season and thus will take time for the players to get up to match fitness. The odd poor game is to be expected especially at this stage in the season but it will be consistent performances that will win the league.
In order to better manage the perception of supporters and to put things into perspective the club should be transparent about our situation I.e. the perceived lack of money etc.
That to me is down to the poor communication from the club. I think JM eluded to the issues in some of his interviews but it may have left more questions than answers. As a supporter, I will always get behind the club, some straight talking to highlight the challenges that the club faces would reset my perspective to focus on supporting the players on the park who are prepared to come here and play for us.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Thu 18 Jul 10:33
Quote:
wee eck, Thu 18 Jul 08:32
He switched to a back four on Tuesday after they scored the first goal and there was no improvement. The players have to take some responsibility for an absolutely dire performance.
No point switching to a back four If the squad don`t train on a back 4 during the week.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 18 Jul 10:51
Are players that inflexible that they can`t adapt to a new formation during a game? Do they have to train in different formations every week in case the manager decides to change it during a game?
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Topic Originator: thebear
Date: Thu 18 Jul 11:52
I agree. But of you get on a roll of defeats. Then it`s difficult to get out of it. It`s not looking god at present
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 18 Jul 12:34
We`ve only played two competitive games; W1 L1!
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Thu 18 Jul 12:40
Quote:
wee eck, Thu 18 Jul 10:51
Are players that inflexible that they can`t adapt to a new formation during a game? Do they have to train in different formations every week in case the manager decides to change it during a game?
It`s not about being inflexible it`s about patterns and passing triangles etc if your expecting witherspoon to be 10 yards inside of you but youve changed formation suddenly he`s not there. Practice makes perfect.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 18 Jul 12:53
I would hope professional footballers were a bit more spontaneous than that.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 18 Jul 13:03
Good post IndiaPar
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Thu 18 Jul 13:05
Quote:
LEGEND85, Thu 18 Jul 09:12
You wonder how the players feel just now what is the mindset.
How do they view the current situation, Do players like Bene, Comrie and Hamilton look around them and think god we`ve got a right good chance this season or do they sit there and think the opposite.
Players don`t need to buy into the club philosophy and they probably aren`t stupid either.
If players view this season the same as the majority of the fans that it`s going to be an uphill struggle what does that do for the mindset or motivation.
The vast majority of players have a positive mindset. This helps them to set aside any setbacks and look forward to putting things right i3n the next game as in any1 other walk of life. No point in dwelling too long on the last game other than going over it once to look at what was done well and any mistakes that were made and the steps required to ensure they`re not repeated.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Kba990309
Date: Thu 18 Jul 13:22
Quote:
wee eck, Thu 18 Jul 08:32
He switched to a back four on Tuesday after they scored the first goal and there was no improvement. The players have to take some responsibility for an absolutely dire performance.
That`s fair enough eck, didn`t make the game or seen any replays yet.
Keith allan
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Thu 18 Jul 13:41
Quote:
wee eck, Thu 18 Jul 08:32
He switched to a back four on Tuesday after they scored the first goal and there was no improvement. The players have to take some responsibility for an absolutely dire performance.
It`s not as easy as just changing it in game though. The players are probably working on patterns of play attack and defence in his 3/5 at the back formation.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 18 Jul 13:57
He also played KRH as a centre midfielder from the start…….cant blame the players for that
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 18 Jul 14:03
I blame the players if they can`t hit an accurate pass 10 yards, or miss a tackle or a header, regardless of where they`re playing. They`re not supposed to be robots. The cult of the manager really has taken over.
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Thu 18 Jul 14:55
I am like you wee eck ! If our players including the goalie cannot pass the ball 10 yards , or play in certain positions to a certain degree that their ability pertains there is something far wrong , they are not robots they should be able to adapt ! If not we are in deep sh**
You do not need to keep to a system IE : if it`s zonal and an opposing player goes past you and you can see someone is out of position etc , you should automatically cover the position , far too much made of systems! Players actually need to think !
Post Edited (Thu 18 Jul 14:56)
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Thu 18 Jul 14:57
I`ve said this before but a well coached team have players who know what their specific roles are, they know the triggers for the press, they know who is responsible for whom at set plays etc. There`s a reason that good managers can turn things around with the same squad of players (Ragnick with Austria a prime example). A poorly coached team have players who look lost, who don`t press as a unit, who get in each other`s way by being in the same space, who have willing runners who never see the ball, who lose runners at set play or during transition... sound familiar?
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Thu 18 Jul 16:24
Quote:
Berry, Wed 17 Jul 21:30
I’m not against McPake in the slightest to be honest, he got us promoted and kept us clear of relegation during a season of turmoil with the injuries we suffered. So he’s yet to have a black mark on his card for me.
I think the problem is further up. There is absolutely no chance McPake is happy with the squad he’s got and he’ll have wanted a number of players that by the sounds of it we refused to compete for because it fell out of our wage structure.
That would sound sensible, possibly is, but what is the wage structure, how does it compare to other teams as other clubs are signing them up quick and fast and I’m not buying the whole gambling with the finances which tends to be the reason positioned.
The clubs made a decision to invest in the academy, thinking long term, and only time will tell whether that will bear fruit but in the meantime I think it’s completely hamstrung McPakes ability to bring in the players and quality he’s after.
He has a very small and very youthful squad, that’s going to bring problems and plenty of inconsistency and having time to think about it, whilst that performance versus Forfar was completely turgid and the tactics were incorrect, if we’re playing young players against tall and physical players in a deep formation, think we’re always going to struggle.
McPake can only play with the cards he’s dealt.
Let`s be honest he got us promoted with a squad we were all told was going to be in contention for promotion in the championship the previous season. Gave contracts to donkeys like Mehmet and wighton limped to safety last season. Yet to have a black mark ?
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Thu 18 Jul 16:28
Mehmet, Chalmers, MOH and Wighton should never have been given such contracts.
Not good enough and injury prone. So far you can add Kane to that list and Breen infact.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Thu 18 Jul 18:21
Quote:
Ahoy!Ahoy!, Thu 18 Jul 16:28
Mehmet, Chalmers, MOH and Wighton should never have been given such contracts.
Not good enough and injury prone. So far you can add Kane to that list and Breen infact.
Forgot about MOH says it all really.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Thu 18 Jul 18:58
Quote:
cammypar 1995, Thu 18 Jul 16:24
Let`s be honest he got us promoted with a squad we were all told was going to be in contention for promotion in the championship the previous season. Gave contracts to donkeys like Mehmet and wighton limped to safety last season. Yet to have a black mark ?
I really can`t get my head around why some fans feel the need to refer to our players in such insulting and disrespectful terms. No problem with anyone not rating individual players but why not limit yourself to that?
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 18 Jul 19:04
They`re professional footballers, GGR. They should be able to take it just to prove they`re up to the job. The normal rules of civility don`t apply to them.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 18 Jul 19:06
Taking offence at the word donkey?
Christ I thought it was the young ones that were woke not the old codgers 😂
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 18 Jul 19:21
Which category do you fall into?
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Thu 18 Jul 19:25
Quote:
Dave_1885, Thu 18 Jul 19:06
Taking offence at the word donkey?
Christ I thought it was the young ones that were woke not the old codgers 😂
Why would I be offended, Dave? Cammy was referring to two Pars players, not me. I just don`t see the need for it. Would Cammy call them that to their faces? I suspect not. If someone described you in such terms, would you just laugh it off?
Maybe I have an old-fashioned idea of what a supporter is, in that I believe players are more likely to perform better if they are cheered and encouraged. It`s called positive reinforcement and has been scientifically tested and proved. Negative reinforcement has also been shown to impact negatively on a team`s performance.
It`s one of the reasons why the ratio of home wins to away wins is 3:2 or 60%:40%.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 18 Jul 19:25
Quote:
wee eck, Thu 18 Jul 19:21
Which category do you fall into?
The middle one that doesn’t take offence at the entire world and doesn’t take forums and social media too seriously 👍🏻 donkey is a fairly mild criticism of his true ability in reality…
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 18 Jul 19:27
Quote:
GG Riva, Thu 18 Jul 19:25
Quote:
Dave_1885, Thu 18 Jul 19:06
Taking offence at the word donkey?
Christ I thought it was the young ones that were woke not the old codgers 😂
Why would I be offended, Dave? Cammy was referring to two Pars players, not me. I just don`t see the need for it. Would Cammy call them that to their faces? I suspect not. If someone described you in such terms, would you just laugh it off?
Maybe I have an old-fashioned idea of what a supporter is, in that I believe players are more likely to perform better if they are cheered and encouraged. It`s called positive reinforcement and has been scientifically tested and proved. Negative reinforcement has also been shown to impact negatively on a team`s performance.
It`s one of the reasons why the ratio of home wins to away wins is 3:2 or 60%:40%.
I wouldn’t give a hoot about what a fan on an internet forum says about me - and if they said it in person Id ask what level they play at……
Aye, our home record is deffo backed by the positive crowds that attend East End right enough 🙄😂
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 18 Jul 19:41
Not everyone`s as thick-skinned as you obviously are. I think these posts demean the folk who make them rather than those they are targeted at.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Thu 18 Jul 20:02
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GG Riva, Thu 18 Jul 19:25
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Dave_1885, Thu 18 Jul 19:06
Taking offence at the word donkey?
Christ I thought it was the young ones that were woke not the old codgers 😂
Why would I be offended, Dave? Cammy was referring to two Pars players, not me. I just don`t see the need for it. Would Cammy call them that to their faces? I suspect not. If someone described you in such terms, would you just laugh it off?
Maybe I have an old-fashioned idea of what a supporter is, in that I believe players are more likely to perform better if they are cheered and encouraged. It`s called positive reinforcement and has been scientifically tested and proved. Negative reinforcement has also been shown to impact negatively on a team`s performance.
It`s one of the reasons why the ratio of home wins to away wins is 3:2 or 60%:40%.
I`ve been spat at while at my work and been called a lot worse. I seriously doubt our home form is lower than away because someone called someone a donkey on a fans forum. If I put in similar performances at my work I`d be put on a performance review and be sacked if it didn`t improve in a month or so. They are in a privileged position they can play how they want and more times than not it`s the manager who will eventually carry the can for it.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Parfect69
Date: Thu 18 Jul 20:29
Add McCann to that list
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 18 Jul 20:43
It must have been a miracle we survived in the Championship last season with all these guys who weren`t of the required standard coupled with a crippling injury list - or maybe the manager excelled himself.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 18 Jul 20:51
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wee eck, Thu 18 Jul 20:43
It must have been a miracle we survived in the Championship last season with all these guys who weren`t of the required standard coupled with a crippling injury list - or maybe the manager excelled himself.
Honestly, Eck, give it a rest……stop making excuses for them……we are at a real risk of being out of the cup already despite making a good go at it, we dont have a substitute keeper and we have a manager playing turgid tactics and players out of position.
Its boring reading the same old posts making excuses for them and acting like everything’s going to be rosy because we haven’t played a league game yet…..
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Thu 18 Jul 21:01
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cammypar 1995, Thu 18 Jul 20:02
I`ve been spat at while at my work and been called a lot worse. I seriously doubt our home form is lower than away because someone called someone a donkey on a fans forum. If I put in similar performances at my work I`d be put on a performance review and be sacked if it didn`t improve in a month or so. They are in a privileged position they can play how they want and more times than not it`s the manager who will eventually carry the can for it.
That`s absolutely shocking, Cammy. I don`t know if you still work at the same place and am amazed if you do. No human being deserves to be spat on or insulted anywhere, never mind his workplace. Those responsible should have been sacked and charged, imo. If you didn`t report it, they will only be emboldened and behave even more disgustingly next time.
And of course, no number of wrongs ever made a right.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 18 Jul 21:06
Keep going Eck.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 18 Jul 21:23
I didn`t understand the comment, tbh, as I was referring to last season.
It`s OK to continually post negative stuff before the League starts but you can`t express any hint of positivity apparently.
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Topic Originator: answer
Date: Thu 18 Jul 22:02
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wee eck, Thu 18 Jul 21:23
I didn`t understand the comment, tbh, as I was referring to last season.
It`s OK to continually post negative stuff before the League starts but you can`t express any hint of positivity apparently.
You’re not expressing any positivity though. You’re the most negative poster on here with your constant insistence that Dunfermline Athletic are almost uniquely incapable of improvement.
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Topic Originator: pars4life1
Date: Thu 18 Jul 22:29
If you`re too weak willed to be called a donkey then professional football isn`t for you, indeed I`d be hoping that you could receive intensive therapy to allow you to develop some basic resilience.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 18 Jul 22:30
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answer, Thu 18 Jul 22:02
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wee eck, Thu 18 Jul 21:23
I didn`t understand the comment, tbh, as I was referring to last season.
It`s OK to continually post negative stuff before the League starts but you can`t express any hint of positivity apparently.
You’re not expressing any positivity though. You’re the most negative poster on here with your constant insistence that Dunfermline Athletic are almost uniquely incapable of improvement.
Nonsense
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 18 Jul 22:44
Isn`t it fascinating how your posts can be interpreted in different ways! I`m a negative happy clapper !
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 18 Jul 22:53
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answer, Thu 18 Jul 22:02
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wee eck, Thu 18 Jul 21:23
I didn`t understand the comment, tbh, as I was referring to last season.
It`s OK to continually post negative stuff before the League starts but you can`t express any hint of positivity apparently.
You’re not expressing any positivity though. You’re the most negative poster on here with your constant insistence that Dunfermline Athletic are almost uniquely incapable of improvement.
That’s the funniest thing I’ve ever read. You’ve got to be fishing.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: thebear
Date: Fri 19 Jul 00:05
I love it how players get interviewed after the match and say not good enough and should have done better. It`s a bit late then!, why not change it during the match not afterwards.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Fri 19 Jul 05:16
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pars4life1, Thu 18 Jul 22:29
If you`re too weak willed to be called a donkey then professional football isn`t for you, indeed I`d be hoping that you could receive intensive therapy to allow you to develop some basic resilience.
That`s absolute codswallop, p4l. You completely miss the point, perhaps deliberately. People should not have to toughen up so that others can feel free to insult and bully them in the workplace, as Cammy described. I wasn`t referring specifically to the use of the term "donkey" but to insults and derogatory remarks in general, which often appear on this forum, e.g. waste of a wage, wage thief etc.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 19 Jul 06:19
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GG Riva, Fri 19 Jul 05:16
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pars4life1, Thu 18 Jul 22:29
If you`re too weak willed to be called a donkey then professional football isn`t for you, indeed I`d be hoping that you could receive intensive therapy to allow you to develop some basic resilience.
That`s absolute codswallop, p4l. You completely miss the point, perhaps deliberately. People should not have to toughen up so that others can feel free to insult and bully them in the workplace, as Cammy described. I wasn`t referring specifically to the use of the term "donkey" but to insults and derogatory remarks in general, which often appear on this forum, e.g. waste of a wage, wage thief etc.
Exactly this. I think people forget that years ago players might get abuse whilst playing but now they get it on football forums and social media from faceless usernames. I hate to break it to people, but players who are having a bad game already know it without you telling them 😂
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Topic Originator: DNCH
Date: Fri 19 Jul 06:57
The Club/Germans clearly laid out that their investment and belief was going to be funneled through the production and sale of youth players, hence the money has gone to building a dedicated training facility as a priority.
Everyone seemed to be on board with that at the time. It feels like seeing Raith Rovers overachieve (and end up with the same end of season result as us, less a pitch invasion) has our fanbase suddenly thinking the plan doesn’t work because it doesn’t equal immediate success?
I think my Dad took me to my first game in 94 or 95. I first experienced “success” as a fan under Jimmy Calderwood and, as great as it all was, we won nothing. Zero. So where do our fans get this automatic “sack the board”/“sleeping giant”/“should be in the top flight”/“McPake out!” garbage from? Success in the 60’s? It’s genuinely out of touch with reality.
Anyone who knows the game watched Dundee make a ridiculous decision in sacking James McPake when they did. We were lucky to get him and are lucky to have him. In conclusion, given absolutely none of the other things we’ve tried since 1968 have resulted in success would it kill us all to just give this a chance and see what happens?
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Fri 19 Jul 07:24
DNCH we may not have won anything but we played some good football under our previous managers who signed some players we had a bit of quality and excited the fans.
Under mcpake the quality of the football has been terrible, we don’t score nearly enough goals and have large spells in games where we don’t even look like scoring and what’s worse is we are sticking rigidly to this system and not even signing players to play in it.
Which individual players are fans turning up excited to see play? Who in that team can skin a player or has pace to burn and hits touch line? Who’s got a great free kick in them? Who’s even got a great cross in them?
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Fri 19 Jul 07:24
Quote:
DNCH, Fri 19 Jul 06:57
The Club/Germans clearly laid out that their investment and belief was going to be funneled through the production and sale of youth players, hence the money has gone to building a dedicated training facility as a priority.
Everyone seemed to be on board with that at the time. It feels like seeing Raith Rovers overachieve (and end up with the same end of season result as us, less a pitch invasion) has our fanbase suddenly thinking the plan doesn’t work because it doesn’t equal immediate success?
I think my Dad took me to my first game in 94 or 95. I first experienced “success” as a fan under Jimmy Calderwood and, as great as it all was, we won nothing. Zero. So where do our fans get this automatic “sack the board”/“sleeping giant”/“should be in the top flight”/“McPake out!” garbage from? Success in the 60’s? It’s genuinely out of touch with reality.
Anyone who knows the game watched Dundee make a ridiculous decision in sacking James McPake when they did. We were lucky to get him and are lucky to have him. In conclusion, given absolutely none of the other things we’ve tried since 1968 have resulted in success would it kill us all to just give this a chance and see what happens
The theory of that is appealing but the reality is a mediocre team unable to compete with smaller rivals. The team struggles to challenge for the league and play offs. Fans drift away and gates drop as the team is closer to relegation each season. The resulting drop in revenue ultimately effects player recruitment and I imagine at some point we get relegated with the club in a bigger mess than before.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 19 Jul 07:37
The Calderwood era is one I remember well due to age. However, as we all know now, it was funded through some creative accounting that put us in a.position whereby the club almost ceased to exist.
I suspect it`s right that seeing other clubs doing well is frustrating and saying "at least we`re planning for the future" doesn`t mean much today.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Fri 19 Jul 07:51
Quote:
DNCH, Fri 19 Jul 06:57
The Club/Germans clearly laid out that their investment and belief was going to be funneled through the production and sale of youth players, hence the money has gone to building a dedicated training facility as a priority.
Everyone seemed to be on board with that at the time. It feels like seeing Raith Rovers overachieve (and end up with the same end of season result as us, less a pitch invasion) has our fanbase suddenly thinking the plan doesn’t work because it doesn’t equal immediate success?
I think my Dad took me to my first game in 94 or 95. I first experienced “success” as a fan under Jimmy Calderwood and, as great as it all was, we won nothing. Zero. So where do our fans get this automatic “sack the board”/“sleeping giant”/“should be in the top flight”/“McPake out!” garbage from? Success in the 60’s? It’s genuinely out of touch with reality.
Anyone who knows the game watched Dundee make a ridiculous decision in sacking James McPake when they did. We were lucky to get him and are lucky to have him. In conclusion, given absolutely none of the other things we’ve tried since 1968 have resulted in success would it kill us all to just give this a chance and see what happens?
Stop being sensible. It doesn`t go down well in this den of despondency.
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Topic Originator: parathletic
Date: Fri 19 Jul 08:39
Dundee haven`t done too badly post McPake, improving to become a top 6 side last year.I doubt whether we have been inundated with enquiries for him either.In terms of his Championship record for us, it is similar to John Hughes.You can point to injuries but the season we got relegated I also recall the board releasing a statement citing injuries.
I`m not calling for his head but its a big season for him and the owners imo.We must be 3 or 4 years into the `long term plan` so you want to be able to see some progress on and off the park.Things aren`t just going to magically click into place in year 7 or 8.
I don`t go to every game but I`ve been to very few where I thought the football on show was good under McPake.With a youngish squad last season I thought you would try and play to your strengths with high energy and pressing higher up the park but it was all pretty laboured from what I saw and there were square pegs playing in round holes-not always due to injury.
With the level we are playing at and the length of contracts we are able to hand out it`s nigh on impossible for us to attract decent fees for players.They either leave on a free or are approaching the end of a contract so the fee is nominal.Very rarely does anyone ever pay decent money for a Scottish Championship level player these days.
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Topic Originator: LEGEND85
Date: Fri 19 Jul 08:59
I`d say at this stage I`m still behind McPake I don`t think he`s been helped at all by the board and who knows if McPake was able to bring in 4 or 5 championship experienced player how the style of play might develop.
It has to be said though it is worrying that he`s called out the level of performance so far saying its not been good enough why is that just a few games into the season.
Are the players questioning him or maybe the players are questioning the club philosophy.
He is the scapegoat in all of this though and if he can`t get a tune of some sorts really early then he`s clearly going to be in trouble.
The 2nd game of the league season is going to be massive if we lose then that will be a problem for many.
But let`s see what happens
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Fri 19 Jul 09:17
The next 5-6 games are important for the club on a whole, I can`t see us scoring more than 6/7 goals in these games.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 19 Jul 10:35
I distinctly remember some really dull games during the Calderwood era together with some awful results. It wasn`t all sunny days at Hampden.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Fri 19 Jul 11:25
Quote:
da_no_1, Fri 19 Jul 10:35
I distinctly remember some really dull games during the Calderwood era together with some awful results. It wasn`t all sunny days at Hampden.
Absolutely this. Played some of the best football I`ve seen at East End but like any other phase, there were runs of bad results. I remember sitting around a group of folk that had it in for Calderwood and week on week used to call him tactically naive - despite being possibly the most tactically astute manager I think I`ve seen. You`re always going to get a range of opinions. People are people.
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Topic Originator: LEGEND85
Date: Fri 19 Jul 11:38
For all out entertainment the Paton era won`t be beaten and we used to batter teams especially at East End, Goal scorers all over the park what an era
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Topic Originator: parathletic
Date: Fri 19 Jul 12:11
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LEGEND85, Fri 19 Jul 11:38
For all out entertainment the Paton era won`t be beaten and we used to batter teams especially at East End, Goal scorers all over the park what an era
In our last 2 seasons with Paton in the Championship we scored 73 league goals in each season.Our last 2 seasons in the Championship we have scored a total of 79 goals combined!
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Topic Originator: LEGEND85
Date: Fri 19 Jul 12:15
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parathletic, Fri 19 Jul 12:11
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LEGEND85, Fri 19 Jul 11:38
For all out entertainment the Paton era won`t be beaten and we used to batter teams especially at East End, Goal scorers all over the park what an era
In our last 2 seasons with Paton in the Championship we scored 73 league goals in each season.Our last 2 seasons in the Championship we have scored a total of 79 goals combined!
and the championship was far stronger back then
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Fri 19 Jul 12:26
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LEGEND85, Fri 19 Jul 11:38
For all out entertainment the Paton era won`t be beaten and we used to batter teams especially at East End, Goal scorers all over the park what an era
I agree 100% with this. I found the football on show during the Paton years by far the most exciting during my lifetime, and that`s including the Carry On Up The Leagues 80s Leishman era. That team was packed with character - real men. I don`t remember leaving a game in those days thinking "were you not entertained".
I wasn`t that bothered by the Calderwood years, from what I heard at the time some of the players were on 5k a week, which said nothing to me about my life, and I felt a bit detached from the club. It was pretty obvious that it was financial doping so I wasn`t really as engaged with a team that was cheating to win. The football wasn`t that great either, I remember a lot of games where we were really good in spells, then really dull for the rest of the match
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 19 Jul 13:22
Similar RSP. My early introduction to the Pars was under Paton. I remember meeting McCathie in primary 1 or 2 I think. He was just some guy with a tache who played for the Pars. As I got older and Calderwood came in we went from having guys I`d grown to recognise to a stronger team but one made up of people I didn`t really relate to. They`d been at "big" clubs and now we`d somehow bagged them. Even as a child I could tell it didn`t add up - how were we outbidding teams like Aberdeen who had much bigger stadiums? Maybe it was just the age I was at that point but it all felt a bit hollow. In hindsight, I`m amazed it was "only" £20m we were in debt. I imagine a fair few people lost even more ploughing cash into the club with the promise of some sort of miracle return. I remember the new stands going up and tales of a Pars hotel.
I`ve said it before but the main issue we`ve had since administration has been the reliance on loan signings. We now have a bit of regularity with players like Bene, Todd, Otoo, KRH, Chalmers etc but it`s fair to say gone are the days of a team of fairly regular names/faces.
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Topic Originator: LEGEND85
Date: Fri 19 Jul 13:51
The Calderwood era was still class although at a cost boys like Skerla , Jack De Gier etc finishing 4th in the Premier league.
If only we one the Scottish cup during that period.
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Topic Originator: Parsweep
Date: Fri 19 Jul 14:41
It was the Calderwood/Yorkston era that put us on our ar*es in the 1st place . Might argue we`ve never really recovered from then .
Bobvo
Post Edited (Fri 19 Jul 14:42)
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Topic Originator: Murchadh
Date: Sat 20 Jul 17:12
McCabe in - time for our investors to start investing for the short and long term future!
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