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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 3 Feb 13:52
Heading along to our place of worship for the live updates - will update this thread too
Awaiting team lines - please post before me if ye can
Mon all three points Pars!
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
Post Edited (Sat 03 Feb 16:54)
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Sat 3 Feb 13:53
Reports Fisher out for 4-6 weeks, gutted for him 😞 lad can’t catch a break.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 3 Feb 14:02
Mehmet
Edwards
Hamilton
Otoo
Chalmers
Wighton
McCann
Summers
O’Halloran
Walcott
Benjamin
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Sat 3 Feb 14:04
If Fisher is out, Hamilton will revert to centre back.
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Sat 3 Feb 14:07
Quote:
Paralex, Sat 3 Feb 14:04
If Fisher is out, Hamilton will revert to centre back.
No he won`t. 2 new signings plus Otoo.
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Sat 3 Feb 14:07
Quote:
Paralex, Sat 3 Feb 14:04
If Fisher is out, Hamilton will revert to centre back.
Otoo or hammy Cb?
COYP
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Sat 3 Feb 14:11
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 3 Feb 14:12
Quote:
DBA, Sat 3 Feb 14:07
Quote:
Paralex, Sat 3 Feb 14:04
If Fisher is out, Hamilton will revert to centre back.
No he won`t. 2 new signings plus Otoo.
Could go either way. Very good or badly wrong.
Fingers crossed the new guy fits in ok
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 3 Feb 14:12
SUBS:
Little
Moffat
Allan
Fenton
Sutherland T
Young
Sutherland J
Holmes
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sat 3 Feb 14:22
Another surprise omission….a regular occurrence
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 3 Feb 14:45
Have they repaired/upgraded the tannoy system at EEP? It sounds a lot clearer today.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 3 Feb 14:59
Definitely coming out clearer here in the main stand. I’ll wait for the sub calling though
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Lucho_8
Date: Sat 3 Feb 15:11
Offside ??
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 3 Feb 15:11
0-1 Morton. They have dominated so far.
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Topic Originator: Swisspar
Date: Sat 3 Feb 15:13
How was that not offside?
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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1
Date: Sat 3 Feb 15:13
He was clearly offside wasn`t even close
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Sat 3 Feb 15:19
Back three not working, we need a leader in central defence. Hamilton ?
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sat 3 Feb 15:22
They are just exposed,
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 3 Feb 15:25
Who is this referee? He has given us nothing so far.
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Sat 3 Feb 15:26
Quote:
OzPar, Sat 3 Feb 15:25
Who is this referee? He has given us nothing so far.
Kevin Clancey
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Topic Originator: Lucho_8
Date: Sat 3 Feb 15:26
Rotten
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 3 Feb 15:26
What’s going on? Getting dominated here…
Back to being drenched in my own negativity….
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Topic Originator: Lucho_8
Date: Sat 3 Feb 15:28
Teams do this to us a lot and we never do it to anyone.
A bit of fight and effort goes along way.
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Sat 3 Feb 15:28
Lack of experience there for all too see. Morton well on top.
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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1
Date: Sat 3 Feb 15:31
Not a single positive comment
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Topic Originator: neilholland999
Date: Sat 3 Feb 15:34
Quote:
Berkey, Sat 3 Feb 15:26
What’s going on? Getting dominated here…
Morton are top of the form chart (last 6 matches) at the moment, whilst Pars are 2nd bottom. What do you expect?
Post Edited (Sat 03 Feb 15:35)
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 3 Feb 15:34
This could be anything. We`ve not got started really, their press is too good and we look very shaky at the back. Neither of the two loanees look comfortable at all, despite Fagan-Walcott apparently doing well last week and Joe Chalmers is doing Joe Chalmers things... and not in a good way. If we can keep it to 1-0 for a decent time we might be able to get something from this but if we concede again I`d be worried
And there it is. 2-0, awful again.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 3 Feb 15:35
0-2 Bloody awful.
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Topic Originator: Lucho_8
Date: Sat 3 Feb 15:36
Relegation battle incoming.
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Sat 3 Feb 15:36
We could have signed experienced players but ohh no the Germans are demanding young cheap players. Its a no for me, relegation fodder.
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Topic Originator: wetherby
Date: Sat 3 Feb 15:37
If we keep signing 20 year olds with little or no first team experience what do we expect ??
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Topic Originator: elvis_lives
Date: Sat 3 Feb 15:38
Look what happened to queen`s park when they played loads of players that had never played first team football before.
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Topic Originator: Row_ZZ
Date: Sat 3 Feb 15:38
Yep, this is relegation form we are on now.
"A smile might be good!"
"Nothing to smile about in my life"
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Topic Originator: Swisspar
Date: Sat 3 Feb 15:39
Quote:
OzPar, Sat 3 Feb 15:25
Who is this referee? He has given us nothing so far.
Obviously travelled with the Morton team bus, needs a lift back.
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Sat 3 Feb 15:40
I do not like commenting when there is still 55mins to go but at present its like men against boys and 2-0 scoreline doesn`t flatter Morton
We are being bossed all over the park ! and it is very hard to see where we can get a goal from ,
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 3 Feb 15:40
Joe chalmers must have pictures of mcpake. Imposter.
At this level you can’t keep putting young players in who have barely kicked a first
Team ball and hoping they swim.
Oh well, pin the hopes on queens and arbroath being worse rather than us being any good. Next 2 games pivotal.
Back to being drenched in my own negativity….
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sat 3 Feb 15:41
Seaside league here we come…..what a joke we have become on that big green thing out there….trying to save a few bob by not bringing in two or three players who have played at this level and instead bringing in players who have hardly even played mens football…… we will be doing well to finish 9th…
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sat 3 Feb 15:42
Quote:
Berkey, Sat 3 Feb 15:40
Joe chalmers must have pictures of mcpake. Imposter.
At this level you can’t keep putting young players in who have barely kicked a first
Team ball and hoping they swim.
Oh well, pin the hopes on queens and arbroath being worse rather than us being any good. Next 2 games pivotal.
Hamilton has been just as bad, the young back 3 are being left hung out to dry
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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1
Date: Sat 3 Feb 15:44
The long term strategy will be successful but it requires patience
Post Edited (Sat 03 Feb 15:44)
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 3 Feb 15:44
Also doesnt help that we have played 1 game since the 5th of Jan either 🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ imagine if we had invested in a decent pitch……
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Topic Originator: Row_ZZ
Date: Sat 3 Feb 15:44
After only two years, I am still thinking to myself how a team with finances and support base like ours contrives to battle out relegation in the second tier of Scottish football.
"A smile might be good!"
"Nothing to smile about in my life"
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sat 3 Feb 15:47
I’m surprised Hamilton is not playing at the back. Very inexperienced defence.
I did say this would be a very different test from last week
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
Post Edited (Sat 03 Feb 15:48)
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Sat 3 Feb 15:48
McPake is heading towards same position and Yogi and Grant took us too.
Still persisting with Wighton to score goals at this level is a joke.
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Sat 3 Feb 15:52
Disgusting performance, simply not good enough in every department. Hamilton needs to go in at the back second half, get Paul Allan on.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 3 Feb 15:52
Wighton is off is he not?
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Sat 3 Feb 15:54
I think what the new boys have demonstrated is that there is no movement up front. They are probably used to movement off the ball and picking the players out. It`s fair to say it`s been one way traffic and they deserve to be 2 up. It could have been more.
They are a big strong side and we should be trying more to turn their defenders. They have probably spent 30 minutes in the first half watching us play around with the ball at the back.
Post Edited (Sat 03 Feb 15:56)
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 3 Feb 15:55
I honestly don`t see how anyone can defend Chalmers when he puts in "performances" like that. Dawdling on it and getting caught out 20 yards from goal, fresh air swipes when defending the near post, brushed aside by anyone with any sort of physical strength at all, and then to cap it all off the one thing he is meant to be able to do is pass the ball - and one of the few times we could break he played through ball behind Moffat rather than in front of him. That`s criminal at any level, let alone the level we are meant to be operating at. The guy is a charlatan.
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Topic Originator: Doves
Date: Sat 3 Feb 15:55
Being out worked. Morton hustle well. They were dire last time at EEP too.
Chalmers sets the tone, slow as treacle and loses the ball a lot.
This team are in trouble.
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Topic Originator: gordi-b
Date: Sat 3 Feb 15:58
No invention in this team at all Chalmers Wighton and Mcann cannot cut it at this level
G.B
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Sat 3 Feb 15:58
Can`t believe anyone can blame Wighton for anything today. Zero service, he barely got a touch 30 yards from their goal.
Suppose there needs to be a scapegoat for some.
Awful from every single player so far. Allan for Chalmers at half time, then more of the same.
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Topic Originator: Row_ZZ
Date: Sat 3 Feb 15:59
Summers is an attacking midfielder, so you are relying on Hamilton and Chalmers to do the foothold stuff, which is ok, but not this week when we have zero defenders ready that have all played together and know what to expect. Chalmers is a complete waste of a jersey at this level anyway. Paul Allan is nowhere near good enough. Trying not to go all in on these guys, but they really aren`t good enough. We have absolutely nothing up front. Moffat is trying to create things but everything around him isn`t willing to match his movement and nouse.
Very worrying. I am seeing the same signs as in 2022. Crumble like a chocolate fire guard as soon as we are up against a bit of pressure and when we are on it panic and can`t get anything to stick. All over the place.
"A smile might be good!"
"Nothing to smile about in my life"
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sat 3 Feb 15:59
The worst we have played all season for sure ,seems we need to get used to this as we can`t keep saying we will be good once 4 or 5 players come back .
All for young players getting an opertunity and I see the owners idea for way forward ,but ffs we need to establish ourselfs
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:00
Quote:
DBA, Sat 3 Feb 15:58
Can`t believe anyone can blame Wighton for anything today. Zero service, he barely got a touch 30 yards from their goal.
Suppose there needs to be a scapegoat for some.
Awful from every single player so far. Allan for Chalmers at half time, then more of the same.
The only person to blame for today and the same formation every week is the manager
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Topic Originator: Row_ZZ
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:02
McPake has got to take a lot of responsibility, yes. He hasn`t recruited appropriately for the midfield, in my honest opinion. There doesn`t seem to be any tactics etc "try and play like Pep`s Barcelona, and hope to score" Really is absolute dross.
"A smile might be good!"
"Nothing to smile about in my life"
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:04
Quote:
nick_dafc1, Sat 3 Feb 16:00
Quote:
DBA, Sat 3 Feb 15:58
Can`t believe anyone can blame Wighton for anything today. Zero service, he barely got a touch 30 yards from their goal.
Suppose there needs to be a scapegoat for some.
Awful from every single player so far. Allan for Chalmers at half time, then more of the same.
The only person to blame for today and the same formation every week is the manager
And every single player on that park. First touch, control, passing is woeful. Manager can`t do much about that.
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:04
I know there is still a second half to go but we have to go back to the end of November as that is the last time we won at Home , against a pretty poor Arbroath side ,
At present that seems to be the level we are at , I always live in hope and certainly hope we can turn this game around , because after that horrendous half I really do not think we can play any worse
This is worse than dire to watch and should have a Health warning attached to it , this would get football stopped ,
I do not think there is any argument about how bad we are just now ,
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:05
There has to be a response in the 2nd half. The only way I can describe this is disjointed,
Our midfield is non-existent in both defense and attack.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:05
Can we try 442 in the second half, please? Put Hamilton at the back and Otto into midfield. And get Chalmers off!
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:06
Quote:
DBA, Sat 3 Feb 16:04
Quote:
nick_dafc1, Sat 3 Feb 16:00
Quote:
DBA, Sat 3 Feb 15:58
Can`t believe anyone can blame Wighton for anything today. Zero service, he barely got a touch 30 yards from their goal.
Suppose there needs to be a scapegoat for some.
Awful from every single player so far. Allan for Chalmers at half time, then more of the same.
The only person to blame for today and the same formation every week is the manager
And every single player on that park. First touch, control, passing is woeful. Manager can`t do much about that.
He signed or retained them all and has been coaching them all season
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:08
Queen’s Park one up !
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:10
I just hope, wighton, mehmet, McCann, o’hallaran and chalmers have clauses to cut their money if we go down.
If this is the quality of the more experienced pro’s, god help the youngsters.
Mcpake has to take the blame, these guys are his players, he knew them and what they were capable of and at this rate they will sink him.
Back to being drenched in my own negativity….
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:11
Queen’s Park now winning…
3-0 Morton…
Back to being drenched in my own negativity….
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:11
0-3 FFS
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:12
Embarrassing
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Topic Originator: Doves
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:12
A total shambles at the back. Clueless min.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:13
At this point, the formation MUST change 40 mins left and 3-0 down 3-5-2 is not gonna get a 3-3 result
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Topic Originator: Row_ZZ
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:13
McPake and his "tactics" can soundly GTF.
"A smile might be good!"
"Nothing to smile about in my life"
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Topic Originator: Doves
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:16
Not for the first time, the CB is looking for a pass and F*** all is moving in front of him.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:17
That third goal was laughable. More fight in an under 11s team.
Morton press well, and it takes us half an hour to stop trying to play out from the back. There`s space in behind but our passing is so slow the holes get plugged by the time we get forward. Don`t have a poacher getting into the "middle six yards" when we do get forward so any time we get it in a promising area there`s nothing to aim for.
Next two games are crucial. People need to get real and forget about 4th - keeping clear of 9th is now the aim.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:17
And there`s number 4 f right off.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:17
0-4 End of story.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:17
3 points from last 18 until today was surely sending distress signals ?
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:18
Wow, this could be an all-timer
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:20
Loosing faith in mcpake….this is the lowest point (so far) with him.
Back to being drenched in my own negativity….
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:20
They were the worst opposing team i`ve seen us play based on the previous two outings.
WTF happened!
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"People always talk about Ronaldinho and magic, but I didn't see him today. I saw Henrik Larsson; that's where the magic was."
Post Edited (Sat 03 Feb 16:21)
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Topic Originator: craigypar35
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:20
Still we will have True Sportsmanship in league 1 with our German charlatans running us
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Topic Originator: wetherby
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:22
Playing three at the back even with two experienced newcomers would be a gamble never mind this shambles.
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:23
this is absolutely embarassing now , another cheap goal to lose !
If we are honest it is no more than we deserve , we are absolutely dire
And I am sure many folk will be saying another crap Transfer window , filled the gaps with youngsters with no experience whatsoever (which is actually True)
with what is on show at present , I wouldn`t be surprised if Queens are above us next week and we are down to 9th ,
I cannot see any positives at present no matter how i dissect things
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:25
To be fair TAFKA, Imrie has them playing well and they are the form team in the division. However, they press high and fast, they are physical and we don`t seem to have realised this is who we`d he playing. Lack of preparation by the looks of things.
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Topic Originator: Row_ZZ
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:25
Lost all faith in McPake now to be completely honest. Not buying any the excuses any more. With the form we are on and taking a hammering like THAT today off Morton, it would usually result in a sacking. Not to mention The Wee Team absolutely horsing us any time we have played them. Needs to get a couple good results in the next two games, or he is a dead man walking in my eyes.
"A smile might be good!"
"Nothing to smile about in my life"
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Topic Originator: RossF
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:25
Absolute shambles and we’ve signed players who clearly cannot handle it at this level. McPake has blown all his hard work from last season with two brutal transfer windows and refusing to change tactics. Based on today, we’ll be in league one again.
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Topic Originator: Parallel Lines
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:25
Other clubs have pushed the panic button by now.
Just saying. All four goals from very close range.
I looked for my pet in all the books on animals and birds and then I found it in the Book of Revelations.Marty Feldman
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:25
The English/Welsh academy route has been tried before, it got Hartley the sack and Falkirk relegated and they’ve not recovered.
We’ve had plenty over the last 5 years here some that were so poor that you won’t recall their names because they never made the 1st team, Dylan Duncan and the likes.
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:32
A really poor summer window with the head scratching signing of O`Halloran , keeping Chalmers as your starter in midfield, signing inexperience in January. Recipe for a relegation battle. Need the guys who are out to come back asap
Post Edited (Sat 03 Feb 16:35)
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:33
Mcpake is not cutting it for me. Squad is a shambles, tactics rank. We can’t score goals and we are heading for the drop. Germans are forcing their lefty can’t tackle…fight or battle mentality on our club!
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:35
Everyone around us has changed managers. We need to finish 8th, we’ll go down if 9th.
Mcpake forgot the championship is a better quality league than league 1 and has left us with dross who are not good enough complimented by youngsters who have barely kicked a ball.
But nevermind eh, how were the Sammy biscuits?
5-0 just have to hope Morton declare now.
Back to being drenched in my own negativity….
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:35
0-5 now... It is a fair while since the Pars have been so outclassed by a team from the same division. This has been a nightmare.
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:36
Quote:
king lad, Sat 3 Feb 16:32
A really poor summer window with the head scratching signing of O`Halloran , keeping Chalmers as your first choice in midfield, signing inexperience in January. Recipe for a relegation battle. Need the guys who are out to come back asap
Ritchie Hosler and Todd have no experience at this level so I wouldn`t bet on them improving things.
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Topic Originator: Swisspar
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:38
The Norrie looking a bit empty now!
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Topic Originator: NikNakPar
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:38
This is just laughable now.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:40
Not one shot .. Nada .. Nixi ..treble 0 ..double blank .. on target
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Doves
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:40
Fire alarm at the 4th, including me :(
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:41
Westie we also had the likes of Josh coley who was terrible.
On thing going for mcpake is the next 2 games will make or break him and on paper they are the easiest 2 games.
Nick I’ll take Todd over chalmers, we don’t know if Todd is good enough but we certainly know chalmers isn’t. Richie hosler I agree on, very lightweight.
Back to being drenched in my own negativity….
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:42
Biggest problem for us is we sit far too deep , give the ball away continually so what do we expect ? we are inviting teams to have a go at us , and when we are under pressure we cannot clear our lines and give teams the easiest of chances to put the ball in the net
This game today shows the level we really are at and it shows we do not have a plan B so it is very easy for teams to come and beat us , today I would say Slaughter us ! and unfortunately it`s not finished ,
As others have said how on Earth did some of these players get a contract never mind an extended one
I can imagine the meltdown on here tonight , but on this showing I do not think there is anything anyone can defend or find a positive
needing ICT to get a goal
Post Edited (Sat 03 Feb 16:44)
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Topic Originator: DJAS
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:43
Earliest I’ve been back in the house in a while. Absolutely shocking all over the park.
Predictor league winner 2012/2013
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Topic Originator: Bamba-Daft
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:43
If he doesn’t take 6 points from the next two we MUST sack him. He’s an absolute fraud.
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Topic Originator: SergioDuarte
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:43
It’s over for McPake now . Who we getting next ?
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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:46
We can`t afford to sack him even if we wanted to
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Topic Originator: Beeches Par
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:47
It must be very close to a parting of the ways.
David G McLean
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:48
Bamba lose like this next week and that be it.
Back to being drenched in my own negativity….
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:48
Questions will be getting asked, and if there is a similar performance in our next game then they will get asked louder.
What gets me is the same formation and game plan regardless of opponents,
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Topic Originator: Bamba-Daft
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:49
Quote:
dafc-chris1, Sat 03 Feb 16:46
We can`t afford to sack him even if we wanted to
Stupid attitude, another season in league 1 will undoubtedly cost more than paying him off.
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Topic Originator: The Boss
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:49
Fussball GmbH need to GTF too! Where is all the money going? It’s certainly not into the team.
I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:51
Does make me wonder….mcpake looked broken after the queens game, maybe after this he’ll walk, blame the board and try and keep his rep intact.
Back to being drenched in my own negativity….
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Topic Originator: Paralytic77
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:52
Fukn shambles
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Topic Originator: hudza
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:52
That Pars team is a disgrace. Paying the price for releasing better players than we brought in the summer and a shocking Jan window buying rookies when it’s clear as day that experience is required. To get beat 5-0 off Morton at home is an absolute embarrassment
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:56
You cannot expect to play young lads and get a result , so We cannot be too harsh on them , they are doing their best which is not good enough because they are up against players who have played at this level for a few seasons
Blame the manager and our Our Signing policy ( which is shown now to be crap) we see what they are trying but you stiill need to have experienced players in the team to make things happen and guide the youngsters , games like today only demoralises them , and it will not be easy to pick them up for a crucial game next week now
You need experienced players in your team to give you a blend
But coming back from injury any time soon is only Jakubiak who will at least give us an outlet but it still does not change the boys at the back
Plus every team in the league know how we set our stall as it never changes we are so predictable
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Topic Originator: Toddyrov
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:57
Great jan transfer window
Effe
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:57
Queen’s Park win. They have won 3 of the last 4.
Next week is biggest game of the season.
Back to being drenched in my own negativity….
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Topic Originator: Row_ZZ
Date: Sat 3 Feb 16:57
If sacking McPake is the the only way we can save our season, then we have to do it. Going down in to League 1 again would be absolutely calamitous and cost more than sacking McPake. There is a very good chance we could be sitting 9th this time next week. Very worrying.
"A smile might be good!"
"Nothing to smile about in my life"
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Topic Originator: SergioDuarte
Date: Sat 3 Feb 17:07
McPake has to go .
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Topic Originator: DunPar
Date: Sat 3 Feb 17:08
Neil Lennon anyone ?
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Sat 3 Feb 17:09
Left at half time. That was brutal.
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Sat 3 Feb 17:10
Outplayed in every area of the Park today. Probably one of the poorest performances I`ve seen for some time. Morton competed more and were more purposeful all over the park. We never looked in the game at all. Did we even have a shot on target? We looked a side two divisions lower
Post Edited (Sat 03 Feb 17:35)
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sat 3 Feb 17:10
We are like a under 23 team ,we need experience in our team
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 3 Feb 17:12
Just shows how mad this league is I guess - 0-0 v Dundee Utd last week (and only narrow defeats the other times we`ve played the top 2) but absolutely mullered today. Morton were well organised and physical - how often over the years have we said that about decent Championship sides - and we looked like the exact opposite, all over the shop and as soft as a wet paper bag.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 3 Feb 17:13
I really wanted to leave early but didn’t. Some of us cannae lol
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 3 Feb 17:13
The point I was making a few weeks ago is that mcpake has already tied whoever the mangers hands are for next season unless the budget is increased.
Back to being drenched in my own negativity….
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Sat 3 Feb 17:14
Instead of talking about sacking and bringing someone else in we should be talking about digging deep and bringing in a couple of experienced personnel , looks like the only way to solve this crisis , because at present it is a crisis !
it`s a long time since we won a game ! we are now getting into the mindset of losing game after game , which isn`t easy to change
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Topic Originator: rsmith
Date: Sat 3 Feb 17:14
Dick Campbell is available…
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Topic Originator: fergusga
Date: Sat 3 Feb 17:15
We were woeful today but Morton pressed high and worked hard - we had nothing in response apart from continuing to try and play out from the back when we’re not good enough to do it.
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Topic Originator: rsmith
Date: Sat 3 Feb 17:16
Crying out for an experienced player like Morton have in Alan Power
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Sat 3 Feb 17:17
Utter shambles which was apparent after only 10 minutes. Looked like a team of strangers. Defence a joke and no team coherence at all.
We can make it excuses for injuries all we want but we still should be doing the basics right like winning 50/50 balls
Relegation battle this season without question.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sat 3 Feb 17:17
McPake probably has 2 games left as our manager at most,
Anything like that next week and he will be sacked.
Anything other than 4 points in the next 2 games and he will be sacked.
Ultimately it is a results business and he is not delivering results.
I want him to survive and continue the journey.
I want the Young lads to do well.
The English CB`s maybe thought they could coast scottish football.
They better wise up quickly.
If there is issues with the board then maybe the attendees of the meeting last week could maybe enlighten us. Or atleast encourage us that they are happy with the board.
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Topic Originator: Hay Fever
Date: Sat 3 Feb 17:39
Could of got great experience with the boy from MK Dons but the board wouldn’t cough up for a permanent contract🤦🏻♂️
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Topic Originator: Gaz3822
Date: Sat 3 Feb 17:39
Dundee fans have said on social media many a time, McPake played the same way constantly and that`s what got him the sack..same seems to be happening here.
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Topic Originator: hudza
Date: Sat 3 Feb 17:39
We won’t sack him. We won’t even pay money to bring in experienced boys on loan, we brought in 3 boys who have a handful of professional games under their belts, so no chance they will pay up a managers contract.
We must be paying some of these charlatans decent money
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Topic Originator: StevenPar77
Date: Sat 3 Feb 17:41
It`s easy to come out with an if, but or maybe, but with Fisher being out, in hindsight, starting with Benjamin seemed silly.
Although inexperienced, at least the likes of Sam Young have trained day in and day out and should be raring to go.
Also, Fagan-Walcott clearly isn`t a right back.
That is the worst I have seen us under McPake, and I don`t think now is the right time for change.
He deserves more time, and we have been badly hampered by injuries, but it has to start now.
I am absolutely raging, but I am trying to put it in perspective, but we need certain players back in sooner rather than later.
https://www.agiftfor.net
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Topic Originator: Pars Athletic
Date: Sat 3 Feb 17:43
That was up there with what Peter Grant served up, absolute shambles of a team we are right now. Morton pumped us 5 nil the season we got relegated in a game where 2 centre halves were signed Donaldson who I think hadn`t played in a year and was ambrose the other 1? McPakes good will has ran out this 3-5-2 nonsense has to go we are probably better suited to 4-2-3-1 with our personnel but everyone is playing dogsh*te just now. I genuinely don`t see where our next win is coming from. An awful day all round, team is awful, pitch is in awful condition and even the half time competition was awful.
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Sat 3 Feb 17:44
Quote:
StevenPar77, Sat 3 Feb 17:41
It`s easy to come out with an if, but or maybe, but with Fisher being out, in hindsight, starting with Benjamin seemed silly.
Although inexperienced, at least the likes of Sam Young have trained day in and day out and should be raring to go.
Also, Fagan-Walcott clearly isn`t a right back.
That is the worst I have seen us under McPake, and I don`t think now is the right time for change.
He deserves more time, and we have been badly hampered by injuries, but it has to start now.
I am absolutely raging, but I am trying to put it in perspective, but we need certain players back in sooner rather than later.
He didn`t have to play Benjamin today, he could of played 4 at the back without Fisher but doesn`t matter who is available or who we play against he sets up the same way regardless.
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Topic Originator: Toddyrov
Date: Sat 3 Feb 17:50
The fact we didn’t bring in experience in January is criminal.
Effe
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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Sat 3 Feb 17:50
Funny how quiet the board go when things aren’t going well. There was loads of updates and interviews etc with the Germans and Cook
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 3 Feb 17:53
Wullie I’m scunnered.
And I’ve decided to stay in legends when I usually only come in here post match to warm my hands up lol
Sammy Shuffle has bought me a glass of wine and the place has filled up with the hospitality folk to watch Scotland beat wales at the rugby
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: gordi-b
Date: Sat 3 Feb 17:54
Listening to a couple of Morton fans on the way back to the car , they couldn,t believe how poor we were , all over the park they reckoned this was their easiest game of the season
G.B
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Topic Originator: bigdonnie
Date: Sat 3 Feb 17:56
must be highest home defeat in about 20 years disgrace to wear a pars jersey could see this coming for ages seem to be worse at home if jolly old queens beat us next week were in dire straights
donald mcneil
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Topic Originator: Parsweep
Date: Sat 3 Feb 17:58
Disgraceful performance. Not one of those "players " deserves a wage after that .
Bobvo
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Topic Originator: craigypar35
Date: Sat 3 Feb 17:58
Even the happy clappers must surely be questioning the German owners. Heading back to League 1 with limited investment and last minute loan signings , we should have kicked on this year. Really thought club had turned a corner after comfortably winning League 1 last season and was really positive about this season. 2nd biggest Fanbase in the league and look at where we are! Bleak future
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Topic Originator: sonofpetrie
Date: Sat 3 Feb 17:59
There is going to be no decisive action I am afraid. I spoke to one of the players who shall obviously remain unnamed. He says "the board absolutely love mcpake, they buy into his plan" they also know he won`t push too hard when it comes to finances. He is a bit too easy to overrule on things. He has his favourites and there is less and less harmony in the dressing room due to this.
Sacking him was definitely not in their plan for the season. Even if we finished a distant 8th. If he were to lose his job I wouldn`t expect any firebrand, blood and guts replacement type manager but someone quite similar.
The thing that hurts the most after today is the lack of fight from far too many of the players. Joe Chalmers is an abomination and not fit to pull on that jersey.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary"
Post Edited (Sat 03 Feb 18:00)
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Topic Originator: LEGEND85
Date: Sat 3 Feb 17:59
I`m not sure I`d be looking to get rid of McPake could we even afford it.
The transfer window thats just finished has been another disaster all we`ve done is plug gaps no attempt to improve the team.
The lack of creativity and the fact it hasn`t been addressed in years is just bonkers, At a supporters meeting at the end of last season Dave MacKay even mentioned at times we didn`t create enough especially at home and nothing was done to improve that so here we are.
Folk criticising Wighton how often does he have to try and collect the ball in his own half same when McCann gets moved into the middle.
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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Sat 3 Feb 18:00
2 year deal for Ohallaron should get him the sack
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Sat 3 Feb 18:00
No wins in 7. Sorry but time for a change of manager. Granted the backing he’s had in transfer windows haven’t been great but he chose to give chalmers wighton mehmet etc all new deals and they are not good enough at this level. Utter deadwood who all got 2/3 year deals it’s actually laughable
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 3 Feb 18:24
Queens have very limited experience in their team but they do have players like Dom Thomas who IS good enough at this level, can create and score important goals.
Who does this for us?
I’m guessing mcpakes favourites are all those who continue to play despite offering nowt this year. McCann, wighton, o’hallaran, jak and chalmers.
His favourite players will cost him his job, how ironic.
Back to being drenched in my own negativity….
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sat 3 Feb 18:30
I wonder what Fenton and Young were thinking today ?
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 3 Feb 18:35
"we are probably better suited to 4-2-3-1 with our personnel"
"He didn`t have to play Benjamin today, he could of played 4 at the back without Fisher"
Who are these right backs we suddenly have? Comrie and Todd (both injured, and Todd is more important in the middle) are the only players who have played right back in a back four. We didn`t have anyone today who could have played there without being played out of position, either O`Halloran or Fenton probably the closest although Benjamin has apparently played there before?
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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Sat 3 Feb 18:37
Shortest post match interview , JMp confirms what we already know with us having to look over our shoulder
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 3 Feb 18:45
We also need to get rid of the imposters in our team wighton, McCann, Chalmers, Mehmet to name but a few.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 3 Feb 18:52
I absolutely despise the phrase "happy clapper"
I shuddered when I saw the team, 2 inexperienced defenders up against the form team in the country just now with experience all over the park but especially up front. I`m afraid that decision almost lost us the game before it began.
There are players out there who look unfit, uninterested and frankly a bit frightened to receive the ball. I`m scratching my head at Summers tho. The guy looks skilful but like he`s towing a caravan! He must be carrying an injury?
Nothing to add. Next 2 games must be won. Nothing less will do.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Sat 3 Feb 18:53
We all watched the same game. That performance was poor to say the least.Where we go from this remains to be seen.
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Topic Originator: gordi-b
Date: Sat 3 Feb 18:56
Some of the decision making has been atrocious ,thinking that we could compete with the same squad that won the 1st div was laughable yet some unbelievable contracts were handed out to players that flopped at this level before, i would have settled for 6th place , now we are getting drawn into a relegation scrap , i don,t know where our next win is going to come from as currently we are probably the worst team in the league , it would be interesting to know why a lot of the players we are reputed to be interested in refuse to come to E.E.P
G.B
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Topic Originator: LEGEND85
Date: Sat 3 Feb 18:58
Quote:
Indiapar, Sat 3 Feb 18:53
We all watched the same game. That performance was poor to say the least.Where we go from this remains to be seen.
That`s how I feel as well where do we go from here it`s a real worry
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Sat 3 Feb 19:03
Quote:
cammypar 1995, Sat 3 Feb 18:45
We also need to get rid of the imposters in our team wighton, McCann, Chalmers, Mehmet to name but a few.
The manager signed these guys up on 2 and 3 year deals so if they are imposters then McPake should leave with them.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 3 Feb 19:07
Quote:
nick_dafc1, Sat 3 Feb 19:03
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cammypar 1995, Sat 3 Feb 18:45
We also need to get rid of the imposters in our team wighton, McCann, Chalmers, Mehmet to name but a few.
The manager signed these guys up on 2 and 3 year deals so if they are imposters then McPake should leave with them.
Sacking the manager will still leave us with these so-called footballers. The board needs to take a look at themselves. If they focused on what a shambles eep is on and off instead of thinking about rosyth then maybe things would be different. I don`t see a supporters meeting being scheduled before the end of the season for some reason.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: cfad
Date: Sat 3 Feb 19:24
Miles off it today. Defence were a shambles and we had absolutely no threat up front. Earliest I have left a game in as long as I can remember, 57 minutes. All that said, I don’t agree that it’s time for a new manager.
Post Edited (Sat 03 Feb 19:26)
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Topic Originator: Gusmcpherson
Date: Sat 3 Feb 19:28
No manager should ever survive a 5-0 home defeat certainly not to Morton
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Topic Originator: pacifist
Date: Sat 3 Feb 19:30
Mcpakes flaw is he rarely changes anything. He subs people into the same system. Today we were 2-0 at half time, and lost 3 in the second half with the same formation.
It wasnt working.
Everyone knows how we play and prepare for it.
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sat 3 Feb 19:32
I think our management team can work ,but the board need to support him alot more than what they are doing
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sat 3 Feb 19:32
Two untried teenagers and Otoo in a back three was asking for trouble against a team that everyone knew would be direct. Remember the second half at Cappielow?
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Sat 3 Feb 19:36
Sacking manager would be daft. We are in a bit of a rut after a year plus of everything being generally positive.
Would be different if we had a full strength side out and were seriously underperforming but we are still missing half a team which is massive at this level.
Interesting when big Oakley rattled in that hat trick at Tannadice a couple of weeks ago Declan Gallacher wasn`t playing and i think Kevin Holt was also missing for United and he rag dolled the boy placing in his place.
Hamilton absolutely bossed him in the game at Cappielow despite the massive difference in height and physical stature yet it looks like he had a pretty easy afternoon against our new centre half(s) today?
We've never been particularly prolific even lasg season but nicked a lot of wins by the odd goal due to the defence being so solid. That is the major concern now with so many centre backs missing.
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"People always talk about Ronaldinho and magic, but I didn't see him today. I saw Henrik Larsson; that's where the magic was."
Post Edited (Sat 03 Feb 19:39)
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Topic Originator: Socks
Date: Sat 3 Feb 19:42
It`s hard when players go out and make basic mistakes, but the manager has to take a lot of the responsibility for what happened today.
Firstly, the pitch is poor, cutting up all over the place and especially on the stand side. I know McPake likes the short and slow stuff, but imposing that on a team for whom it`s normally ineffective anyway and making them play like that on a difficult pitch just felt bizarre to me. Walcott playing out in that area of the pitch in the first half looked pretty bad, but I fault the manager more than him for making him try to do that. He looked good last week at Tannadice when he was allowed to just be a defender and use his pace to do effective defensive work. If he`s forced to play the short and slow stuff, I can only see it ruining him.
A huge problem for us is that we don`t have a credible direct option. With the way we`re currently set up, the only options seem to be the odd high ball that comes straight back, or trying to play the slow stuff from the back. It`s utterly grim, and the contrast with Morton today was very obvious. They`re not a brilliant side but they did the basics well, played quite directly and crucially got enough players up to support to let them win ball in our half. They were energetic and played with aggression, snapping into tackles. We don`t do any of that and I find it very hard to accept us being so passive and completely lacking in aggression.
The slow stuff has never worked. I absolutely hate it and I say similar most weeks. Folk moan about the system, but for me the style of play is the far greater concern.
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Topic Originator: InschPar
Date: Sat 3 Feb 19:43
What cost us today was a goalkeeper that never comes off his line, 3 or 4 goals came from throws/crosses into our box, Mehmet stood like a statue for all off them !!
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Topic Originator: cfad
Date: Sat 3 Feb 19:48
Quote:
InschPar, Sat 3 Feb 19:43
What cost us today was a goalkeeper that never comes off his line, 3 or 4 goals came from throws/crosses into our box, Mehmet stood like a statue for all off them !!
Yes, however the defence was equally poor
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Topic Originator: The Boss
Date: Sat 3 Feb 19:52
Socks nails it. The slow build up play is agonising to watch. The manager has to take the blame for making them play like that.
It’s also been a very long time since we had a team who were aggressive in tackles.
I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sat 3 Feb 19:53
Quote:
cfad, Sat 3 Feb 19:48
Quote:
InschPar, Sat 3 Feb 19:43
What cost us today was a goalkeeper that never comes off his line, 3 or 4 goals came from throws/crosses into our box, Mehmet stood like a statue for all off them !!
Yes, however the defence was equally poor
Can`t blame this only on keeper whole team were shocking and defence non existent from start to finish ,as was mid field and front men
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Topic Originator: Parsfangaz
Date: Sat 3 Feb 20:03
Quote:
Rigger Al, Sat 3 Feb 19:53
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cfad, Sat 3 Feb 19:48
Quote:
InschPar, Sat 3 Feb 19:43
What cost us today was a goalkeeper that never comes off his line, 3 or 4 goals came from throws/crosses into our box, Mehmet stood like a statue for all off them !!
Yes, however the defence was equally poor
Can`t blame this only on keeper whole team were shocking and defence non existent from start to finish ,as was mid field and front men
“ shocking “ that’s to complimentary
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Topic Originator: SergioDuarte
Date: Sat 3 Feb 20:04
His tactics are atrocious but there is a rot at the club. We are looking to the German investors for help but nothing has come . The money from sell ons on players like Kevin Nisbet has never been invested back in to the club . We can’t sign established players . Project players and youth . David Wotherspoon is an example of player we could have signed but the offer we made him was insulting . What’s actually going on ?
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Sat 3 Feb 20:07
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Parsweep, Sat 3 Feb 17:58
Disgraceful performance. Not one of those "players " deserves a wage after that .
The effort wasn’t in question from most of them. Blame for today lies at the managers door.
It was clear as day in first 5 or 10 minutes the shape and lineup were a shambles.
Benjamin was like a fish out of water and clearly shouldn’t have started the match.
You’d think the manager would have went more route one with two new defenders playing their first and second games having no experience of Scottish football but McPake arrogantly kept that same bloody system and made a fair few players the scapegoats.
If he lays the blame anywhere other than himself, his time is coming to an end after today.
Instead of booing at the end, I felt sorry for the players.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Sat 3 Feb 20:12
Yes I think most teams have worked that out about us as a weakness to exploit
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Topic Originator: evo!
Date: Sat 3 Feb 20:23
Before first goal went in, I was reminded of two games..the recent defeat to Ayr at east end where we kept repeatedly giving the ball away, and the defeat to Dundee utd from 2018 ISH, just after our impressive narrow loss to Celtic in the cup, where we kept playing out from the back, losing possession and just didn`t change anything.
The whole back 3/4 (what was it?) were disconnected, slow and just seemed out of their depth for the whole 90 mins. Chalmers can`t protect and was useless(ran past a ball trundling towards him with no pressure on him at one point!!), and Hamilton easily had his worst performance for us
Very quickly it just felt like that infamous Hamilton game, and that started a very bad run that season. Next week will either be a glorious battling backs to the wall win or another hammering I reckon..and I know what I would bet on.
As soon as it was at worst 0-2, Allan should have been on, and Hamilton intl defense. It wouldn`t have led to a miraculous turn around, but a bit more familiar team may have at least stopped it getting worse. Wighton maybe Injured as well, on top of Fisher
Even the announcer had clearly had enough, not knowing who was being subbed off when the 4th went in, and nearly reading out our own losing score at half time then quickly trying to act like he didn`t. Don`t really blame him to be fair
Post Edited (Sat 03 Feb 20:23)
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sat 3 Feb 20:23
Arrogance is correct,
I suspect a few people(management and players) dismissed Morton on the back of the Utd result, the 3-4-2-1 left chalmers and Hamilton exposed which in turn left the 3 at the back under the cosh.
With the team unable to string 3 passes together it was just wave after wave.
If he wanted to play 3 young CB`s then it should`ve been a more solid 5-3-2 or 5-4-1 like the utd game,
I don`t think I seen Edwards or o`halloran back In the defence once which drew out the young lads leaving the new boy trying to martial acres of space.
I think naivety from the young lads probably paid a part, they`ve had a rude awaking to the Scottish game.
Add to that Deniz pushing the ball back into the danger zone which is a major no no.
All in all a terrible day at the office for all concerned in black and white
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 3 Feb 20:32
Still, Falkirk are getting beat by The New Saints
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sat 3 Feb 20:39
Evo and weemike make some good points
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Kozmano1
Date: Sat 3 Feb 20:40
The recruitment has been a shambles. We haven’t offered anything going forward all season. I honestly don’t know how he is going to fix this. I would be happy to see him go at this point.
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sat 3 Feb 20:41
Quote:
weemike, Sat 3 Feb 20:23
Arrogance is correct,
I suspect a few people(management and players) dismissed Morton on the back of the Utd result, the 3-4-2-1 left chalmers and Hamilton exposed which in turn left the 3 at the back under the cosh.
With the team unable to string 3 passes together it was just wave after wave.
If he wanted to play 3 young CB`s then it should`ve been a more solid 5-3-2 or 5-4-1 like the utd game,
I don`t think I seen Edwards or o`halloran back In the defence once which drew out the young lads leaving the new boy trying to martial acres of space.
I think naivety from the young lads probably paid a part, they`ve had a rude awaking to the Scottish game.
Add to that Deniz pushing the ball back into the danger zone which is a major no no.
All in all a terrible day at the office for all concerned in black and white
Hamilton and Edward`s were to blame for two of the goals ,pretty senior players ,so let`s not put the blame on the new young lads
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sat 3 Feb 20:46
I`ve not blamed the young lads, they were left exposed by their team mates and management
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sat 3 Feb 20:50
Quote:
weemike, Sat 3 Feb 20:46
I`ve not blamed the young lads, they were left exposed by their team mates and management
Didn`t say you did ,it was a general comment
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sat 3 Feb 20:52
Quote:
Rigger Al, Sat 3 Feb 20:50
Quote:
weemike, Sat 3 Feb 20:46
I`ve not blamed the young lads, they were left exposed by their team mates and management
Didn`t say you did ,it was a general comment
Apologies, my mistake.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 3 Feb 21:01
15 games to fix it. Starting next Saturday. Morton showing that it`s possible.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Sat 3 Feb 21:23
The great meltdown has occurred with cries of McFake out and who can we get as our next manager. Shades of Grant and Hughes shed their ugly spectre abroad. Ghost posters emerge from the shadows, never heard of before and full of poisonous vitriol. A five nil defeat, nobody likes, and I`m sure James McPake and the backroom boys like it even less than we do. We are in dangerous waters, no doubt, but is it the end of the line and is there no way out? Bring in more players is the cry. Get experience in. We`ve tried that before and found that arbitrary experience is not willing to die for the cause. Bring in another new manager is the other cry. Falkirk tried that many times and could well have sacked McGlynn last year but hey ho, he`s doing rather well now. Word of wisdom, let the boys who got us into the situation fight to get us out of it. The defence is the main issue. Get it tight at the back and work forward from there. It succeeded quite well at Tannadice last week, it can prevail again. Give the new boys a chance to gell with the team. Don`t throw them into the deep end as we did today. We caught Morton at the wrong time. They are on the up. Keep a steady nerve. Wholesale change and pressing the panic button now is sure to get us relegated.
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Sat 3 Feb 21:33
da no 1
I said on here before xmas that at one time Morton were in a false position because they had the same problems as us , too many players injured and cannot field a strong team , I also said let`s see what they are like once they get these players back ! and boy did we see the deifference it makes being able to field your first team ,
Which gives me hope after witnessing that debacle today ! you can see the difference to a Team when they have experienced players in it ,
The next 2 games are vital to us as we need to win them and start climbing out of the Zone we are in at present !
We need to change our tactics though so that the opposing team do not come and set up to counter act on how we normally play ! at present we are pretty bad at defending high balls into the box as we cannot clear them
We also need players to roll their sleeves up and be counted for , we need to take any chances we make , and on that note I would like to see us play faster and take the game to the opposing team , this slow stuff is killing us , and is horrible to watch as we are far too predictable
A win would give the young boys a lot more confidence also ,
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Topic Originator: cfad
Date: Sat 3 Feb 21:34
Quote:
Paralex, Sat 3 Feb 21:23
The great meltdown has occurred with cries of McFake out and who can we get as our next manager. Shades of Grant and Hughes shed their ugly spectre abroad. Ghost posters emerge from the shadows, never heard of before and full of poisonous vitriol. A five nil defeat, nobody likes, and I`m sure James McPake and the backroom boys like it even less than we do. We are in dangerous waters, no doubt, but is it the end of the line and is there no way out? Bring in more players is the cry. Get experience in. We`ve tried that before and found that arbitrary experience is not willing to die for the cause. Bring in another new manager is the other cry. Falkirk tried that many times and could well have sacked McGlynn last year but hey ho, he`s doing rather well now. Word of wisdom, let the boys who got us into the situation fight to get us out of it. The defence is the main issue. Get it tight at the back and work forward from there. It succeeded quite well at Tannadice last week, it can prevail again. Give the new boys a chance to gell with the team. Don`t throw them into the deep end as we did today. We caught Morton at the wrong time. They are on the up. Keep a steady nerve. Wholesale change and pressing the panic button now is sure to get us relegated.
I agree, panic is not the answer. Case in point is your comment re. the defence, Bene was a revelation last season with many making comparisons with Norrie, and we’ve not had him or others for a good number of games this year
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 3 Feb 21:34
Great post
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sat 3 Feb 21:34
Mcpake has 2 games max to save his job lose next week and its over
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 3 Feb 21:37
Rubbish
What would be the actual point of punting the manager at this stage of the season? We don’t have money to pay off one and get a new one in. I’ve no idea why some folk think we do!
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Kozmano1
Date: Sat 3 Feb 21:38
Fans are fickle, no wins since December 9th. Not sure how we got it right at Tannadice either, we drew 0-0. Goals win us games, and this is a results driven business, he should be under pressure, loosing 5-0 at home to an average team is completely unacceptable, and if it doesn’t improve soon, then we have to get someone else in!
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sat 3 Feb 21:40
Quote:
buffy, Sat 3 Feb 21:37
Rubbish
What would be the actual point of punting the manager at this stage of the season? We don’t have money to pay off one and get a new one in. I’ve no idea why some folk think we do!
Buffy, he will get the vote of confidence this week, if we struggle next week then change has to happen.
I don`t want it to happen, I want him to be here for years and the project to go well.
But if we are 9th next week with no win in 8 them I`m afraid it`s a results business and he isn`t delivering results.
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Topic Originator: Kessel
Date: Sat 3 Feb 21:40
I`ve tried to stay positive this season with the injuries we`ve had. With that all season I still find us a really boring team at times. Today though was absolutely grim. Absolutely howling. No one can defend that rubbish today, even with our injury woes. Today is the first time that I`ve doubted McPake.
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Topic Originator: Bamba-Daft
Date: Sat 3 Feb 21:44
Quote:
buffy, Sat 03 Feb 21:37
Rubbish
What would be the actual point of punting the manager at this stage of the season? We don’t have money to pay off one and get a new one in. I’ve no idea why some folk think we do!
How much would dropping back into league 1 cost? I’d argue, all in, a season (or more) back in league 1 would cost more than his contract. That’s where we are headed. It’s the same story all over again, just like Grant and Hughes, everyone cries we’ve no money to sack them.. until the damage is done. If Mcpake doesn’t win next week he should be out the door.
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Sat 3 Feb 21:50
The board have a lot of blame here and keeping in with their 7-10 year model etc.
McPake can only work with what is brought into the squad
….2 x 20 year olds that have played hardly any time at championships level😳 there is no way McPake wanted this tbh
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sat 3 Feb 21:55
The midfield were as poor as I can remember on a day when the defence needed help from them.
I can only imagine the manager felt that he needed Hamilton in there because of Morton`s form but it backfired spectacularly as the defence were left exposed time and again.
No one comes out of the game looking good but its not the fault of the young lads.
Noticeable too that Morton fired long throws right on top of Deniz time and again. That tells its own story and again makes the job of the defence more difficult.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sat 3 Feb 21:56
Your probably correct,
but the board are here to stay and the manager must get results within the boards remit.
It`s very close to the point where the results are not good enough.
Rinse and repeat until we get a manager who can work within the boards parameters.
Would love to hear from Hughes and Grant on working with the board. But they probably don`t wanna bad mouth a board and hurt their chances of working in the game In future. ( or there is nothing to bad mouth)
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Topic Originator: SergioDuarte
Date: Sat 3 Feb 21:56
Quote:
Paralex, Sat 3 Feb 21:23
The great meltdown has occurred with cries of McFake out and who can we get as our next manager. Shades of Grant and Hughes shed their ugly spectre abroad. Ghost posters emerge from the shadows, never heard of before and full of poisonous vitriol. A five nil defeat, nobody likes, and I`m sure James McPake and the backroom boys like it even less than we do. We are in dangerous waters, no doubt, but is it the end of the line and is there no way out? Bring in more players is the cry. Get experience in. We`ve tried that before and found that arbitrary experience is not willing to die for the cause. Bring in another new manager is the other cry. Falkirk tried that many times and could well have sacked McGlynn last year but hey ho, he`s doing rather well now. Word of wisdom, let the boys who got us into the situation fight to get us out of it. The defence is the main issue. Get it tight at the back and work forward from there. It succeeded quite well at Tannadice last week, it can prevail again. Give the new boys a chance to gell with the team. Don`t throw them into the deep end as we did today. We caught Morton at the wrong time. They are on the up. Keep a steady nerve. Wholesale change and pressing the panic button now is sure to get us relegated.
We are getting thumped at home of Morton . There is no come back from this . Get him out the door asap. It’s no working .
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sat 3 Feb 21:58
Oh dear , how those of us with a “ negative “ disposition are being proved right,.
Wee Eck and Dafc no 1 in particular…. …..enough said….
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Topic Originator: SergioDuarte
Date: Sat 3 Feb 22:06
Quote:
buffy, Sat 3 Feb 21:37
Rubbish
What would be the actual point of punting the manager at this stage of the season? We don’t have money to pay off one and get a new one in. I’ve no idea why some folk think we do!
We have money to pay him off. He’s a replaceable employee of the club.
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Sat 3 Feb 22:06
You .net it jobs realise that it’s a 7-10 year programme and nothing is going to change. All money is being spent on the youth set up in Rosyth and hoping we stay in the championship… McPake is being held out to ransom now and aim is to be in the championship now👍
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 3 Feb 22:13
Wee Mike the board didn’t sign the players.
Mcpake has used the limited budget he had poorly with extensions and deals for old mates in which not one of them has contributed this season.
This is mcpakes mess, he put his faith in the wrong players. As far as I know the budget he had was enough to get a better team than we are seeing.
Nevermind the terrible tactics which see us rarely look like scoring and render our strikers redundant.
Post Edited (Sat 03 Feb 22:14)
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sat 3 Feb 22:21
Quote:
Berkey, Sat 3 Feb 22:13
Wee Mike the board didn’t sign the players.
Mcpake has used the limited budget he had poorly with extensions and deals for old mates in which not one of them has contributed this season.
This is mcpakes mess, he put his faith in the wrong players. As far as I know the budget he had was enough to get a better team than we are seeing.
Nevermind the terrible tactics which see us rarely look like scoring and render our strikers redundant.
The board did signed them, maybe mcpake identified them but the board signed them,
Maybe mcpake identified other targets first and the board refused the wage demands etc.
The manager has to work to the boards constraints and still deliver results, he is very close to not delivering. It is his mess hopefully he gets us out of it.
If he does we will be all stronger for it.
I`m struggling to see it. We will be looking for a new manager in March I`m afraid.
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Topic Originator: RossF
Date: Sat 3 Feb 22:31
I can’t think of many worse results than 5-0 at home to Greenock Morton. This is definitely up there with one of the most embarrassing results in my many years of supporting the team and I can’t see where we go if we don’t win next week. We lose and we’re down to 9th. After the massive highs of last season, I never could have seen a result like this coming. At this rate, we’d be miles off it in League One, never mind the Championship. McPake really needs to change as doing the same thing over and over again ain`t working. I cannot see him getting sacked, even if we do go down, which is looking likely at the moment.
What I don’t get is we badly need a striker that can put the ball in the net and we sign a youth player from Blackpool. Hopefully he can come good but I just can’t understand how we are failing to attract players with experience and gambling with untested youth. The amount of times we have played decent balls into the box this season and had no one gambling or throwing themselves at the ball is ridiculous. We’ve made a huge mistake letting go of Todorov. He’s the only player we had last season that was lethal in the box. He didn’t offer much outside the box but every goal he scored last season seemed to come at crucial points. We don’t have anyone with that composure this season.
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Topic Originator: gordi-b
Date: Sat 3 Feb 22:50
Agreed Ross Todorov would have gave us more goalscoring than the current strike force of Mcpakes favs Mcann and Wighton who consistanly offer very little in the way of goalscoring chances
G.B
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Topic Originator: sonofpetrie
Date: Sat 3 Feb 23:00
Quote:
gordi-b, Sat 3 Feb 22:50
Agreed Ross Todorov would have gave us more goalscoring than the current strike force of Mcpakes favs Mcann and Wighton who consistanly offer very little in the way of goalscoring chances
It was a "Personal" issue with Todorov. On mcpake and another senior players part. Absolutely no fault of Todorov. Something that happened when he was at Inverness.
Very unprofessional and petty.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary"
Post Edited (Sat 03 Feb 23:00)
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Sat 3 Feb 23:22
Quote:
sonofpetrie, Sat 3 Feb 23:00
Quote:
gordi-b, Sat 3 Feb 22:50
Agreed Ross Todorov would have gave us more goalscoring than the current strike force of Mcpakes favs Mcann and Wighton who consistanly offer very little in the way of goalscoring chances
It was a "Personal" issue with Todorov. On mcpake and another senior players part. Absolutely no fault of Todorov. Something that happened when he was at Inverness.
Very unprofessional and petty.
Anything to do with Raith by any chance?
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sat 3 Feb 23:39
Its just as well he wasn`t a prolific striker for us cause that would have been awkward. 12 league goals in 2 seasons, 1 of them in L1. And some complain about our other strikers who have better records.
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Topic Originator: sonofpetrie
Date: Sat 3 Feb 23:46
Quote:
Kdy Par, Sat 3 Feb 23:22
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sonofpetrie, Sat 3 Feb 23:00
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gordi-b, Sat 3 Feb 22:50
Agreed Ross Todorov would have gave us more goalscoring than the current strike force of Mcpakes favs Mcann and Wighton who consistanly offer very little in the way of goalscoring chances
It was a "Personal" issue with Todorov. On mcpake and another senior players part. Absolutely no fault of Todorov. Something that happened when he was at Inverness.
Very unprofessional and petty.
Anything to do with Raith by any chance?
Can neither confirm or deny.....but yes.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary"
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sat 3 Feb 23:57
Trying to think of the last actually competent midfield pairing we had. Must be Geggan and Josh which is honestly shocking. We have been shocking for years
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sun 4 Feb 00:25
Quote:
Paralex, Sat 3 Feb 21:23
The great meltdown has occurred with cries of McFake out and who can we get as our next manager. Shades of Grant and Hughes shed their ugly spectre abroad. Ghost posters emerge from the shadows, never heard of before and full of poisonous vitriol. A five nil defeat, nobody likes, and I`m sure James McPake and the backroom boys like it even less than we do. We are in dangerous waters, no doubt, but is it the end of the line and is there no way out? Bring in more players is the cry. Get experience in. We`ve tried that before and found that arbitrary experience is not willing to die for the cause. Bring in another new manager is the other cry. Falkirk tried that many times and could well have sacked McGlynn last year but hey ho, he`s doing rather well now. Word of wisdom, let the boys who got us into the situation fight to get us out of it. The defence is the main issue. Get it tight at the back and work forward from there. It succeeded quite well at Tannadice last week, it can prevail again. Give the new boys a chance to gell with the team. Don`t throw them into the deep end as we did today. We caught Morton at the wrong time. They are on the up. Keep a steady nerve. Wholesale change and pressing the panic button now is sure to get us relegated.
Well said
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sun 4 Feb 00:28
Quote:
RossF, Sat 3 Feb 22:31
I can’t think of many worse results than 5-0 at home to Greenock Morton. This is definitely up there with one of the most embarrassing results in my many years of supporting the team and I can’t see where we go if we don’t win next week. We lose and we’re down to 9th. After the massive highs of last season, I never could have seen a result like this coming. At this rate, we’d be miles off it in League One, never mind the Championship. McPake really needs to change as doing the same thing over and over again ain`t working. I cannot see him getting sacked, even if we do go down, which is looking likely at the moment.
What I don’t get is we badly need a striker that can put the ball in the net and we sign a youth player from Blackpool. Hopefully he can come good but I just can’t understand how we are failing to attract players with experience and gambling with untested youth. The amount of times we have played decent balls into the box this season and had no one gambling or throwing themselves at the ball is ridiculous. We’ve made a huge mistake letting go of Todorov. He’s the only player we had last season that was lethal in the box. He didn’t offer much outside the box but every goal he scored last season seemed to come at crucial points. We don’t have anyone with that composure this season.
Players with the experience you mention want more than 6 months contract
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Topic Originator: thebear
Date: Sun 4 Feb 00:51
An average team last iyear n a poor league, but we got on a roll and got away with it
Poor selling and buying in-between seasons and recently, don`t understand why lack of money or bad choices, but here we go again!!!
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 4 Feb 07:04
I love that "we haven`t got money line". Cook said that last season cost us in excess of £1m and that was us winning the league. Mcpake won`t even come close to that if we sack him.
I would hate to be a team like Aberdeen who just go from shocker to shocker. BUT yesterday was unacceptable and to be completely honest the united result last week just papered over the cracks.
Performances yesterday from the likes of Chalmers, Mehmet and co aren`t a 1 off. Mcpake got a pass last year as many of us saw that he was lumbered with the crap from the past. The fact he gave extended multi year contracts to the gash that`s on him unfortunately and if results don`t improve he will need to live with those decisions.
It`s a shock to me that 2 windows have passed and we are still hanging out hat on the same guys who got us relegated from this level last time. Is that because the BOD haven`t backed him or is it that the guys we have signed aren`t good enough nobody on here will know the answer to this but either way we dont look like turning it round anytime soon.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 4 Feb 07:44
Paralex, queens have won 3 out of the last 4, if we get beat next week are we going to call for time for the players to gel and say they are in form and we just caught them at a bad time?
The players are playing for mcpake and there’s no lack of fight in this team (chalmers aside) however there is a lack of quality and a rigid formation which doesn’t suit most of them.
How does mcpake improve this?
Back to being drenched in my own negativity….
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sun 4 Feb 07:47
If you look through the team that started yesterday, I`d argue that only Edwards, Hamilton and possibly Otoo are Championship players. The rest look like decent League One players, nothing more. Comrie, Benedictus, Todd and possibly Jakubiak are also Championship players who will hopefully come back at some point but that still leaves four places in the team - goalkeeper, centre back (if we continue with a back three), midfield and attack (i.e. the spine of the team!) who are going to consist of, at best, players untried at this level (Ritchie-Hosler, the two loanee centre halves, the loanee midfielders, Holmes, Sutherland) and at worst players who look like they aren`t good enough at this level (Breen, Allan, Chalmers, sadly McCann and Wighton - two players I like).
Maybe the management team, board and some fans underestimated the quality of the Championship (and its not particularly high on quality but it is high on teams who are well organised, physical, capable of scoring and quite solid at the back), maybe some of the players have an over inflated sense of their ability, maybe the Championship is just too fast but whatever it is, it`s clearly not working.
Several weeks ago, I said that we`d only won 4 games - a home win v Airdrie where Allan dug us out a hole (and by that I meant that it took a wonder strike to score the winner when we didn`t look like scoring from open play in a game against a team we should be beating as they`d also come up with us), a decent win at Queens Park who were in their awful Dutch youth team phase and 2 wins against the team who at the time were the worst in the division (and that second win wasn`t a great performance, it was a good opening 10 minutes followed by a nothing burger where we nearly threw it away) and was called out for being negative and that we had a great chance of top 4, that we hadn`t been playing poorly (even though many people thought the football was slow, dull, predictable and terrible to watch) etc. Well since then we`ve managed to win 2 more games - a good win at Airdrie and an as-expected win against an Arbroath side in the midst of an even bigger injury crisis than we have. Home losses to Partick, the Rovers and now Morton, an away loss to Queens Park and several draws - some good, some bad. Let`s not pretend this result was a one off or thst we`ve been playing well or have been looking upwardly mobile - other than battling points at Tannadice and the home win v Morton, good performances have been thin on the ground.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sun 4 Feb 08:01
We have hardly kicked a ball since GG said that McPake reminded him of Jock Stein 🥴
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Topic Originator: Vamos Pars
Date: Sun 4 Feb 08:31
Quote:
JTH123, Sat 03 Feb 23:39
Its just as well he wasn`t a prolific striker for us cause that would have been awkward. 12 league goals in 2 seasons, 1 of them in L1. And some complain about our other strikers who have better records.
Todorov was 2nd top scorer in the championship with Inverness. He’s proven at this level, we just never got the best out of him.
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Sun 4 Feb 08:54
Quote:
kelty_par, Sun 4 Feb 07:47
If you look through the team that started yesterday, I`d argue that only Edwards, Hamilton and possibly Otoo are Championship players. The rest look like decent League One players, nothing more. Comrie, Benedictus, Todd and possibly Jakubiak are also Championship players who will hopefully come back at some point but that still leaves four places in the team - goalkeeper, centre back (if we continue with a back three), midfield and attack (i.e. the spine of the team!) who are going to consist of, at best, players untried at this level (Ritchie-Hosler, the two loanee centre halves, the loanee midfielders, Holmes, Sutherland) and at worst players who look like they aren`t good enough at this level (Breen, Allan, Chalmers, sadly McCann and Wighton - two players I like).
Maybe the management team, board and some fans underestimated the quality of the Championship (and its not particularly high on quality but it is high on teams who are well organised, physical, capable of scoring and quite solid at the back), maybe some of the players have an over inflated sense of their ability, maybe the Championship is just too fast but whatever it is, it`s clearly not working.
Several weeks ago, I said that we`d only won 4 games - a home win v Airdrie where Allan dug us out a hole (and by that I meant that it took a wonder strike to score the winner when we didn`t look like scoring from open play in a game against a team we should be beating as they`d also come up with us), a decent win at Queens Park who were in their awful Dutch youth team phase and 2 wins against the team who at the time were the worst in the division (and that second win wasn`t a great performance, it was a good opening 10 minutes followed by a nothing burger where we nearly threw it away) and was called out for being negative and that we had a great chance of top 4, that we hadn`t been playing poorly (even though many people thought the football was slow, dull, predictable and terrible to watch) etc. Well since then we`ve managed to win 2 more games - a good win at Airdrie and an as-expected win against an Arbroath side in the midst of an even bigger injury crisis than we have. Home losses to Partick, the Rovers and now Morton, an away loss to Queens Park and several draws - some good, some bad. Let`s not pretend this result was a one off or thst we`ve been playing well or have been looking upwardly mobile - other than battling points at Tannadice and the home win v Morton, good performances have been thin on the ground.
Airdrie play with Fordyce and McCabe at centre back and keep clean sheets.
Are them 2 championship level centre backs?
It`s called good tactics and organisation from the manager not just selecting 352 every week.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 4 Feb 09:00
Quote:
desparado, Sun 4 Feb 08:01
We have hardly kicked a ball since GG said that McPake reminded him of Jock Stein 🥴
Did I say that? 🤔 I must have been alluding to the way he comes over when he speaks about his players and his honest game summaries in post-match interviews.
I deliberately refrained from posting last night because my disappointment and frustration was so deep. It doesn`t feel any better this morning, tbh. We`re now in a dogfight, no two ways about it. Ironically, the last time Morton were our visitors, the Pars were outstanding and I was convinced that we`d be in the top 4 at the end of the season.
Why has it all gone belly up in the intervening period? We certainly haven`t been helped by long-term injuries to a number of key players. I don`t think any of us would argue with that. With the benefit of hindsight, perhaps the club should have brought in players of quality and experience to replace these players.
Without knowing the inner workings of the club, I don`t feel I`m in a position to apportion blame, nor do I particularly want to - what good does that do? Very difficult to get anyone in now, I just hope we can get some of the injured lads back very soon, so that we can start to get some point on the board, starting next week.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Zimbo
Date: Sun 4 Feb 09:02
From the first whistle Morton got in our faces, pushing and pulling our players at every opportunity (which the referee let them away with). We should have immediately responded with the same tactic. Nothing. No physical presence in the team at all yesterday, possibly with the exception of Otoo and O’Halloran.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Sun 4 Feb 09:11
I thought yesterday was it was 5-0 but could have been more. The game was over at half time. It was one way traffic for most of the game. Morton were far superior and made us look bad. They may be the in form team but if we are prepared to accept that as an excuse for losing we are accepting mediocrity. We shouldn`t be looking for reasons why we lose but why we win. I said at half time the new boys who came in exposed our weaknesses I.e. nobody to pick out with the ball from the back. Far too static up front. There were a number of occasions where there were gaps in the Morton defence but nobody to exploit it. We seem to be more comfortable knocking the ball around at the back. Morton made the ball do the work, constantly moving and finding space. They were direct and got 5 goals from it. We got the runaround in reality. They are a big strong side and at times it did look a bit like men v boys. I agree with other posters in that we need an experienced central defender to shore up the defence. A striker would be great but unlikely. In this league we should be competing not have our backs to the wall to get a 0-0 draw. That smacks of a team looking at relegation. Everything can be turned around. Time to do it before it`s too late.
Post Edited (Sun 04 Feb 09:50)
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 4 Feb 09:11
Quote:
GG Riva, Sun 4 Feb 09:00
Quote:
desparado, Sun 4 Feb 08:01
We have hardly kicked a ball since GG said that McPake reminded him of Jock Stein 🥴
Did I say that? 🤔 I must have been alluding to the way he comes over when he speaks about his players and his honest game summaries in post-match interviews.
I deliberately refrained from posting last night because my disappointment and frustration was so deep. It doesn`t feel any better this morning, tbh. We`re now in a dogfight, no two ways about it. Ironically, the last time Morton were our visitors, the Pars were outstanding and I was convinced that we`d be in the top 4 at the end of the season.
Why has it all gone belly up in the intervening period? We certainly haven`t been helped by long-term injuries to a number of key players. I don`t think any of us would argue with that. With the benefit of hindsight, perhaps the club should have brought in players of quality and experience to replace these players.
Without knowing the inner workings of the club, I don`t feel I`m in a position to apportion blame, nor do I particularly want to - what good does that do? Very difficult to get anyone in now, I just hope we can get some of the injured lads back very soon, so that we can start to get some point on the board, starting next week.
I agree with this but the problem is when you`re in a dog fight you need to show some character and grab a goal or two to turn draws into wins. Looking at the state of some of the at half time there doesn`t seem to be anyone to try and lift them McCann has the worst body language I`ve ever seen from a player. I don`t see where our next goal comes from.....
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 4 Feb 09:24
McCann believes his own hype, played a shed load of games for us and you can count on one hand the good performances. But he’ll get an assist in a few weeks and the usual will be out praising him.
Chalmers in the middle of the park in a team fighting it out at the bottom? Went well last time.
Back to being drenched in my own negativity….
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 4 Feb 09:29
What "hype" is he believing?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Sun 4 Feb 09:35
I agree GG apportioning blame does not achieve anything. In my view the issues are more than reducing the problem to individual players or the manager. It`s more complex than that. There are alot of parallels between us and Falkirk in that we both can bring in a good crowd, but are punching below our weight.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 4 Feb 09:46
It`s been a long time since I felt as dispirited at a game as I did yesterday. The last time was at HT in the last game of the relegation season v Queen of the South. I looked around me and saw nearly 5000 folk watching on in despair as we stumbled into the play offs. Yesterday was terrible and I felt exactly the same as i did nearly 2 years ago. At the end I watched the players troop off, done in after a total hammering and I felt real sadness at how low football can make you feel. I don`t know what the answers are tactically. I`m not an expert. But we somehow have to find a way to win the next 2 games. It`s not over yet. We`re not relegated yet.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: gordi-b
Date: Sun 4 Feb 10:51
The way the ground emptied yesterday after the,4th goal should be a warning to our board and coaching staff that the loyal Pars fans are not going to accept the utter dross that was was served up yesterday,we realise we have injury problems but whoever sanctioned these youngsters that we brought in might save the day need to take a look at themselves we have been crying out all season for a bit experience to steady the ship.
G.B
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Topic Originator: Pars Athletic
Date: Sun 4 Feb 10:54
I hope has has them in today after that horror show, in fact all days off should be cancelled for now. This team needs extra training sessions to sort this shambles out.
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Topic Originator: The Boss
Date: Sun 4 Feb 11:04
Quote:
gordi-b, Sun 04 Feb 10:51
The way the ground emptied yesterday after the,4th goal should be a warning to our board and coaching staff that the loyal Pars fans are not going to accept the utter dross that was was served up yesterday,we realise we have injury problems but whoever sanctioned these youngsters that we brought in might save the day need to take a look at themselves we have been crying out all season for a bit experience to steady the ship.
This 100%. People can talk about not sacking managers but ultimately it’s the fans who decide what happens.
What worries me is that most fans have been able to see we need experience since the start of the season. So why can’t the manager and board?
I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sun 4 Feb 11:22
Quote:
Vamos Pars, Sun 4 Feb 08:31
Quote:
JTH123, Sat 03 Feb 23:39
Its just as well he wasn`t a prolific striker for us cause that would have been awkward. 12 league goals in 2 seasons, 1 of them in L1. And some complain about our other strikers who have better records.
Todorov was 2nd top scorer in the championship with Inverness. He’s proven at this level, we just never got the best out of him.
Agreed. That was why I had such high hopes when he arrived after we took a fee for McManus. But it didn`t work out so should the manager have given him a new deal? Players that got deals are getting roasted on here. Including Wighton that scored a lot more goals last season that Todorov.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sun 4 Feb 11:28
I believe that the team need a day away from football as a group to have an open discussion about what is going wrong and collectively chart a way forward.
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Sun 4 Feb 11:29
Cook said “ last season cost us £1m” - when did he say that ?
I recall him saying we made a loss last season but not giving any figures. Given the previous time we were promoted from League 1 we made a profit I was surprised with the attendances last season that he suggested that a loss was virtually a given this time round.
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Topic Originator: sonofpetrie
Date: Sun 4 Feb 11:30
Quote:
JTH123, Sun 4 Feb 11:22
Quote:
Vamos Pars, Sun 4 Feb 08:31
Quote:
JTH123, Sat 03 Feb 23:39
Its just as well he wasn`t a prolific striker for us cause that would have been awkward. 12 league goals in 2 seasons, 1 of them in L1. And some complain about our other strikers who have better records.
Todorov was 2nd top scorer in the championship with Inverness. He’s proven at this level, we just never got the best out of him.
Agreed. That was why I had such high hopes when he arrived after we took a fee for McManus. But it didn`t work out so should the manager have given him a new deal? Players that got deals are getting roasted on here. Including Wighton that scored a lot more goals last season that Todorov.
He was not afforded a fraction of the game time or understanding his striker teammates were. He played with passion, got a good few important goals and was very happy to play at Dunfermline.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary"
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 4 Feb 11:45
I fancy if todorov had stayed and been a regular this season he’d have scored more than those that stayed or were brought in. He wasn’t fantastic but he knew how to get in front of his man.
O’hara averaging a goal every 2 games for Hamilton this year.
But we know mccpake has his favourites…
Back to being drenched in my own negativity….
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Topic Originator: Muppet Par
Date: Sun 4 Feb 11:48
If you are going to sign players who have played 2 or 3 professional games in their career this is the outcome. Recruitment is a disgrace, board are a disgrace, McPake is a disgrace. Club is rotten from top to bottom at the minute
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sun 4 Feb 11:51
I don`t think strikers are our main problem.
We are lacking in the middle of the park. We don`t create nearly enough chances or make it difficult for the opposition to advance up the park.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 4 Feb 12:03
Agreed, JTH23. Three at the back works for us away from home but, even last season, it didn`t produce the sort of expansive football fans expect at EEP. Playing as a striker in that system is a hard shift.
The strange thing yesterday was that all their goals came from balls crossed into the box which we couldn`t deal with. Defending our box has been a strength under McPake but yesterday it was abysmal, possibly because we didn`t have a senior defender taking control.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sun 4 Feb 12:16
Our midfield is too lightweight. It has no dig. Morton completely bossed us yesterday.
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Sun 4 Feb 12:24
I try to be rational but the biggest problem I see is our midfield
Far too easily knocked off the ball and have absolutely no dig in them whatsover , so we are always on the back foot which in turn doesn`t help our back line ,
also due to not having grittier players in the midfield our forwards tend to come back to help , so when we do break up play there is nobody up front to give the ball to which in turn allows the opposition to get back to defend , our forwards get a lot of stick and at some time yes it is valid , but if you are feeding off scraps what do you expect ?
need to sort out a few things to get us back to winning ways
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 4 Feb 12:36
Watch out what you say about our midfield guys, the usual will be on to say one of them played at Celtic and set up a few last year against teams who gave us the freedom of the park.
There is a total lack of bite in there, I’m not sure chalmers knows what do when we don’t have the ball? He barely knows when we do.
Back to being drenched in my own negativity….
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Topic Originator: par-91
Date: Sun 4 Feb 12:37
In fairness, you could argue that we’re doing everything we promised. Demonstrating true sportsmanship by allowing Morton to score as many goals as they want and not putting up any sort of challenge.
This is exactly what it seemed like they were asking for, with that true sportsmanship nonsense. A team that is ridiculously soft and is going to lose every battle.
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Topic Originator: evo!
Date: Sun 4 Feb 12:40
Against queens park, we got worse after the injury to comrie, wondering if the fisher injury had a similar effect and everyone just started the game not feeling it.
BEAST!
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Topic Originator: dover par
Date: Sun 4 Feb 12:41
Quote:
OzPar, Sun 4 Feb 11:28
I believe that the team need a day away from football as a group to have an open discussion about what is going wrong and collectively chart a way forward.
You could say the same about the board
"Pressure is something you feel when you don't know what the hell you're doing."
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 4 Feb 12:51
Not a single booking for us yesterday, not one of them kicked out in frustration at how the game was going or put a challenge in to get the crowd going and set the standard for the others in terms of commitment.
We are weak and very easily bullied.
Back to being drenched in my own negativity….
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Topic Originator: SevenTay
Date: Sun 4 Feb 13:55
When Todorov was at Inverness he was joint top scorer with Wighton and McManus.
Wighton 9 goals in 18 games
McMaunus 9 gaols in 26 games
Todorov 9 goals in 27 games.
Last season
Wighton 20 goals in 42 games
Todorov 12 goals in 38 games
McCann 10 gails in 35 games
This season there are too many long range pot shots that are missing the target instead of playing in the striker. McCann is a bit greedy and if he had more often passed instead of shooting we might have had more goals. Wighton has the best return from shots at goal.
McCann 7 goals from 44 shots
Wighton 6 goals from 20 shots
Edwards 3 goals from 18 shots
Moffat 3 goals from 15 shots
Jakubiak 2 goals from 13 shots
Summers 2 goals from 13 shots
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 4 Feb 14:04
Interesting stats seventay. Being greedy can be good if you are good enough to take those chances.
Those other 5 have all scored since McCanns last league goal. Even Todd has!
Post Edited (Sun 04 Feb 14:07)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 4 Feb 14:11
It`s also interesting that Wighton has the best percentage return in all three sets of statistics.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sun 4 Feb 14:16
I was speaking to a group of Morton fans (from hospitality) in legends last night.
They said they had a huge amount of injuries for a few months and now those players have started to return they’re reaping the rewards. There were shouts of sacking their manager when they were moving down the table.
Sound familiar?
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sun 4 Feb 14:25
Sure that isn`t 20 shots all season? That`s embarrassing
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Sun 4 Feb 14:28
That’s the worst performance in a long, long time. Possibly since the 5-0 at home to Hamilton Accies towards the end of the Stephen Kenny reign. At least that game had a great strike from Richard Offiong to applaud and Sol Bamba, who had a ‘mare, came onto a game later in his career. Whether that will be true of Benjamin or Fagan-Walcott will shall have to wait and see. The latter showed glimpses of class, the former looked a little bewildered.
I had a pal at the game who is a Morton fan – he said he didn’t think Morton played that well, and I agree. Four of their goals came from about 2 yards out. It seems like we have forgotten the basics – clear your lines and try to score goals. At 5-0 I thought the heads could completely go and we could lose by 6 or 7, in which case you are in the territory of instant sackings. Fortunately we dug in a bit.
Evo! makes an interesting point – I thought when Comrie got injured at Hampden it felt like a sending off – a case of “here we go again, we’ll be lucky to get a point”. Confidence is ebbing, we need to catch a break.
I think as fans we don’t mind losing so much if we’ve played good football, or if we’ve played exciting football. We’d accept playing uninspiring football if we were winning. But playing dull football badly and losing is not a good watch.
The squad seems unbalanced – too many “nice” players that would look good knocking the ball about when you are 3-0 up, not enough players to get us in that position (and too many players on the physio’s table). I have no insight into what has gone on behind the scenes – I suspect it’s not as easy as we’d like to go out and sign the type of players we want.
There are uncomfortable echos of Peter Grant here – he had a vision and a set way of playing, signed players consistent with that, then arguably had the wrong players to try to change it.
I think Oz makes a good point. Perhaps a clear the air team meeting is needed and if the players say they are struggling with the system then bin it.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 4 Feb 14:29
Doesn`t 20 shots for the season to date suggest our strikers aren`t being provided with sufficient chances to have a shot at goal?
Post Edited (Sun 04 Feb 14:32)
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sun 4 Feb 14:35
Quote:
buffy, Sun 4 Feb 14:16
I was speaking to a group of Morton fans (from hospitality) in legends last night.
They said they had a huge amount of injuries for a few months and now those players have started to return they’re reaping the rewards. There were shouts of sacking their manager when they were moving down the table.
Sound familiar?
OK I`ll bite,
That does sound familiar but.....
Did they in that time get absolutely hammered 5-0 at home and during said match look completely useless?
When do we as a fanbase say wait a minute something does need to change?
When we are bottom with 5 games to go?
I`m putting it out there that he has 2 games max to prove that he is the man to take us to the next level,
Regardless of the circumstances which we have known about for months.
Performances like yesterday should not and cannot be accepted.
If we get rinsed by QP at home next week then it`s over.
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Topic Originator: Gusmcpherson
Date: Sun 4 Feb 14:52
Our strikers just don’t have a history of goals.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 4 Feb 14:57
Gus the 2 that did have a history of doing okay at this level for other clubs were let go in the summer and replaced with one from Dundee who can’t score goals.
Back to being drenched in my own negativity….
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Topic Originator: bannerpar
Date: Sun 4 Feb 15:03
About 4, maybe 5, of yesterday`s team would be first picks if we had all our squad available. The injury situation this season has been far worse than I`ve ever seen in 70 years of watching the Pars. Morton who are going well under Dougie Imrie weren`t winning games early in the season when they had their injury crisis neither were Inverness under Billy Dodds last season until they got their main squad back and they just missed out off the play-offs. Changing the manager, the easy call to make, isn`t going to make that situation any different and if you look at the evidence, as often as not leads to little or no improvement. The constant drip feed of new injuries must sap the confidence as it`s gone on so long now and Fisher`s latest one would be a blow to morale in the lead up to yesterday.
The longer term plan for the club is fine but there are times when a medium to longer term plan has to be reassessed or tweaked according to events. Relegation would be a major financial blow so the board should be looking at finding some cash to allow the management team to strengthen our reduced squad in this month`s Premier loan window (is Brophy still a possibility?) Reallocating funds will not be welcome but better that than being back in League1. This brings us back to the club`s ability to sign players. in the last few windows we have read of the management team`s interest in players who on the face of it would improve on what we`ve got. Almost without fail, for whatever reason and there may be a number of reasons, the transfer doesn`t happen. The January window was a classic example where we are left bringing in a few young prospects at the last gasp. The club has to get better at this or the management team will get demoralised.
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Topic Originator: 1600E
Date: Sun 4 Feb 15:05
And guess what play offs are not our forty
So relegation here we come at least Kelty Hearts are just up the road
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 4 Feb 15:06
I must`ve missed the outcry when O`Hara left.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Sun 4 Feb 16:04
To the midfield point, the ball was played into the defence and cleared as far as the Morton midfield who were anticipating where the ball was to be when played out. Given the visibility of the yellow shirts I could clearly see our midfield were 5 yards further back towards the Morton goal.
I am not sure how many stayed to the very end but there was some rather unsavoury happenings between players and crowd, with Hamilton not going to give the armband to a young supporter and Mehmet being held back by back room staff from a supporter shouting his displeasure.
Very poor performance and I wonder what the atmosphere will be like next weekend. I am not taking my grandchildren for that reason, plus they are really bored of us losing.
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Sun 4 Feb 16:31
parsmad68 wrote:
> To the midfield point, the ball was played into the defence and
> cleared as far as the Morton midfield who were anticipating
> where the ball was to be when played out. Given the visibility
> of the yellow shirts I could clearly see our midfield were 5
> yards further back towards the Morton goal.
> I am not sure how many stayed to the very end but there was
> some rather unsavoury happenings between players and crowd,
> with Hamilton not going to give the armband to a young
> supporter and Mehmet being held back by back room staff from a
> supporter shouting his displeasure.
> Very poor performance and I wonder what the atmosphere will be
> like next weekend. I am not taking my grandchildren for that
> reason, plus they are really bored of us losing.
How ironic, Mehmet sees a spectator cross in the stands and goes for them yet when he sees a cross in his box he just spectates.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 4 Feb 16:34
Quote:
parsmad68, Sun 4 Feb 16:04
To the midfield point, the ball was played into the defence and cleared as far as the Morton midfield who were anticipating where the ball was to be when played out. Given the visibility of the yellow shirts I could clearly see our midfield were 5 yards further back towards the Morton goal.
I am not sure how many stayed to the very end but there was some rather unsavoury happenings between players and crowd, with Hamilton not going to give the armband to a young supporter and Mehmet being held back by back room staff from a supporter shouting his displeasure.
Very poor performance and I wonder what the atmosphere will be like next weekend. I am not taking my grandchildren for that reason, plus they are really bored of us losing.
I was afraid that`s what would happen. You can`t blame folk being angry at a performance like that but screaming and shouting personal abuse at the end is crazy. We need these guys to get us out of this. You can see they were gutted at the end but they did at least come over to the fans. Would`ve been easy to disappear straight down the tunnel. Hopefully they come out fighting next week determined to prove folk wrong who think we`re already down.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Sun 4 Feb 16:35
Quote:
OzPar, Sun 4 Feb 11:28
I believe that the team need a day away from football as a group to have an open discussion about what is going wrong and collectively chart a way forward.
With a day away there will still be no one capable of putting the ball in the net. There lies one of the many problems.
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Sun 4 Feb 17:41
Todorov was an excellent one touch finisher inside the box and a great option to have to bring off the bench.
He didn`t offer anything like what Wighton does in terms of work rate off the ball, pressing defenders, linking up play and all the rest of it.
We had a core bunch who thought the likes of Crawford, Andy Kirk and Nicky Clark were lazy; if he was playing regularly in this team on the current run of form he`d get absolute pelters from like minded folk i`m pretty sure.
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Post Edited (Sun 04 Feb 17:45)
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Sun 4 Feb 17:45
Quote:
da_no_1, Sun 4 Feb 16:34
Quote:
parsmad68, Sun 4 Feb 16:04
To the midfield point, the ball was played into the defence and cleared as far as the Morton midfield who were anticipating where the ball was to be when played out. Given the visibility of the yellow shirts I could clearly see our midfield were 5 yards further back towards the Morton goal.
I am not sure how many stayed to the very end but there was some rather unsavoury happenings between players and crowd, with Hamilton not going to give the armband to a young supporter and Mehmet being held back by back room staff from a supporter shouting his displeasure.
Very poor performance and I wonder what the atmosphere will be like next weekend. I am not taking my grandchildren for that reason, plus they are really bored of us losing.
I was afraid that`s what would happen. You can`t blame folk being angry at a performance like that but screaming and shouting personal abuse at the end is crazy. We need these guys to get us out of this. You can see they were gutted at the end but they did at least come over to the fans. Would`ve been easy to disappear straight down the tunnel. Hopefully they come out fighting next week determined to prove folk wrong who think we`re already down.
Agreed. It was disappointing to hear the reaction from some of the remaining fans at full time. I wasn’t applauding them but felt just as dispirited as the players felt and don’t see the point of making them feel worse.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sun 4 Feb 18:11
I know some people think I have an agenda against Joe Chalmers, but given this is the match thread I just have to say that I totally lost the rag at him yesterday. Just off the top of my head, without watching the game back or anything, he...
- ran away from the ball when it was going towards him on the 18 yard line like he was dummying it but let it go straight to a Morton player
- had a fresh air swipe when defending the near post at a corner
- played a hospital pass into Summers then watched his man run past him when Morton intercepted it
- played the ball behind Moffat on one of the few occasions we beat Morton`s press meaning that the empty half pitch Moffat could have run into was quickly filled with defenders (it was at this point I lost the rag at him)
Not quick enough, not strong enough, not brave enough, not a good passer despite what folk seem to think, not a goal threat, not a defensive bone in his body... what am I missing that McPake and his fans on here see? I`m genuinely baffled.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 4 Feb 18:16
Quote:
kelty_par, Sun 4 Feb 18:11
I know some people think I have an agenda against Joe Chalmers, but given this is the match thread I just have to say that I totally lost the rag at him yesterday. Just off the top of my head, without watching the game back or anything, he...
- ran away from the ball when it was going towards him on the 18 yard line like he was dummying it but let it go straight to a Morton player
- had a fresh air swipe when defending the near post at a corner
- played a hospital pass into Summers then watched his man run past him when Morton intercepted it
- played the ball behind Moffat on one of the few occasions we beat Morton`s press meaning that the empty half pitch Moffat could have run into was quickly filled with defenders (it was at this point I lost the rag at him)
Not quick enough, not strong enough, not brave enough, not a good passer despite what folk seem to think, not a goal threat, not a defensive bone in his body... what am I missing that McPake and his fans on here see? I`m genuinely baffled.
Better get used to it KP we will have his services until summer 2025.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 4 Feb 18:17
He had a poor game yesterday and he wasn`t alone.
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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar
Date: Sun 4 Feb 18:17
At the end of the game Deniz was in the Cowdenbeath end. The supporter that gave him abuse must have been in centre of the main stand. Will they get a ban? My seat is in the Norrie just being the goals. The only interaction that I heard was 1 support giving "advice" to Hamilton and some older fans having some good humoured banter with the Morton keeper. I did hear plenty of booing from our fans at the end of the game.
I have one question, do we scout the teams that wee will be playing once or twice before we play them. Or do we just go out and try our best. I`ve been going to EEP since 1968 and yesterday`s team seemed to be the most disorganised that I`ve seen in many years.
I don`t think that McPake must take all of the blame. Our current Chairman must take most of it as he must be involved in signing these youngsters. They at present are clearly out of their depth. I thought the policy was to sign them on a longer contract not to get them in a short term loan. Do the German owners not watch what is happening to OUR team.
matt forsyth
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Sun 4 Feb 18:19
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 4 Feb 14:29
Doesn`t 20 shots for the season to date suggest our strikers aren`t being provided with sufficient chances to have a shot at goal?
It would of McCann hadn`t had 44 shots...
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 4 Feb 18:24
Wee eck I’d argue chalmers had an average game yesterday, it was a typical performance.
It wasn’t like he was just slow, refusing to tackle and close players down yesterday, that’s just how he plays week in week out.
Back to being drenched in my own negativity….
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 4 Feb 18:27
There was a thread on this forum when chalmers extended his contract, wonder if I can exhume it to see who’s been proved right.
I’m sure the consensus was that he might be worth keeping but only as a squad player and not regular starter. How could mcpake not see what the fans saw?
Back to being drenched in my own negativity….
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Topic Originator: LEGEND85
Date: Sun 4 Feb 18:34
I like Chalmers he`s a scapegoat for many but I think recently he should be on the bench give the boy a break but you know what the lack of decent signings in the summer and now this window mean changes can`t be made.
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sun 4 Feb 18:38
Already saying three of the youngsters are out of their depth .one on his second start ,and two playing their first miniutes
As for the other youngsters I think they can hold their own ,but agree 100% they need more quality experienced players arounfd them
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Topic Originator: USMac
Date: Sun 4 Feb 18:54
Fisher seemed to play really well in the center of the back 3 last week, with Otoo on his left and Walcott on his right. With Fisher hurt last Wed, the logical change would have been to replace him with Hammy since Bene is still out. It was a much greater risk to change it more significantly or to put someone else in the center.
Obviously, it didn’t work out. But it’s important to reflect that the result was caused by a tactical choice, not any of the other reasons you end up with a 0-5 score line. So as unhappy as I feel about the result, I view it as a one-off with the thought that it better not happen again.
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Topic Originator: sonofpetrie
Date: Sun 4 Feb 19:00
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 4 Feb 18:17
He had a poor game yesterday and he wasn`t alone.
He has a poor game every week. He`s feckin gash. The odd decent pass does not a midfielder make.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary"
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 4 Feb 19:19
I`m sure you make an objective assessment every week.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Sun 4 Feb 19:36
Quote:
eastendalloapar, Sun 4 Feb 18:17
At the end of the game Deniz was in the Cowdenbeath end. The supporter that gave him abuse must have been in centre of the main stand. Will they get a ban? My seat is in the Norrie just being the goals. The only interaction that I heard was 1 support giving "advice" to Hamilton and some older fans having some good humoured banter with the Morton keeper. I did hear plenty of booing from our fans at the end of the game.
I have one question, do we scout the teams that wee will be playing once or twice before we play them. Or do we just go out and try our best. I`ve been going to EEP since 1968 and yesterday`s team seemed to be the most disorganised that I`ve seen in many years.
I don`t think that McPake must take all of the blame. Our current Chairman must take most of it as he must be involved in signing these youngsters. They at present are clearly out of their depth. I thought the policy was to sign them on a longer contract not to get them in a short term loan. Do the German owners not watch what is happening to OUR team.
No he was in the North West. I understand the frustration and actually I am not sure what message it sends or how players are supposed to react to it. He wasn’t the only person giving verbals however, so don’t wish to single him out.
O’Halleran wanted to walk straight off but was advised to applaud the remaining supporters before he walked straight to the tunnel by Hamilton who then realised he was probably right.
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Topic Originator: sonofpetrie
Date: Sun 4 Feb 21:34
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 4 Feb 19:19
I`m sure you make an objective assessment every week.
Sure do. Have done every weekend for the last 45 years or so. If he started playing well I would happily admit it. Anyway Eck you`ve already stuck up for the ineffective front men saying they`re not getting the service they need but when someone dares to question Chalmers you shoot that down too. Can`t have it both ways.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary"
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Sun 4 Feb 21:42
Was amazed at no subs or change of formation at HT. how could the management team watch that and think it was acceptable to send the same 11 out?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 4 Feb 21:46
My view is that the main reason we don`t make enough chances is that we don`t play with wingers and rarely get behind the opposing defence.
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Topic Originator: Vamos Pars
Date: Sun 4 Feb 21:48
Quote:
parsfan97, Sun 04 Feb 21:42
Was amazed at no subs or change of formation at HT. how could the management team watch that and think it was acceptable to send the same 11 out?
Yep this really surprised me. Everyone around me in the ground agreed that we had to try going to a back 4 and/or make at least one sub. McPake has made tactical changes in the past yet seems reluctant to now?
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sun 4 Feb 21:50
Quote:
parsfan97, Sun 4 Feb 21:42
Was amazed at no subs or change of formation at HT. how could the management team watch that and think it was acceptable to send the same 11 out?
When I looked at the bench it seemed clear that there was no one there that would change the game. It would also have been very unfair to stick young boys into such a situation.
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Sun 4 Feb 21:51
Fek me wee eck Iv been saying this for a year… open up the pitch and play through the lines.. we don’t have a striker that can do this but move the ball and attack!!
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sun 4 Feb 21:54
McCoist or Shankland wouldn`t score in our team right now as there is zero service
Wingers win games :):)
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Sun 4 Feb 21:56
So if the bench isn’t good enough, why haven’t the management team addressed it? Just had a full transfer window and we’ve went and signed more kids
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Topic Originator: sonofpetrie
Date: Sun 4 Feb 22:01
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 4 Feb 21:46
My view is that the main reason we don`t make enough chances is that we don`t play with wingers and rarely get behind the opposing defence.
Ah I see. My bad. So it`s the manager`s one dimensional tactic (not tactics, as that would imply more than one) that is to blame. Is that what you`re saying? If you are then we have found common ground.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary"
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 4 Feb 22:27
I said earlier today that I thought three at the back and wing backs was OK away from home but we should play a more expansive game at home. I think that should involve wingers.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sun 4 Feb 22:31
Would a 36-year-old Joe Cardle coming on for the second half have improved things? Just asking.
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Topic Originator: Gaz3822
Date: Sun 4 Feb 22:51
Well I`ll tell you what, if a 36yr old Cardle who hasn`t played league football for the best part of a year can come on for the 2nd half and produce a turnaround, then what would that have said about the business the club`s made in the last 6 months ?
But seriously, no he wouldn`t.
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Topic Originator: sonofpetrie
Date: Sun 4 Feb 22:56
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 4 Feb 22:27
I said earlier today that I thought three at the back and wing backs was OK away from home but we should play a more expansive game at home. I think that should involve wingers.
So McPake is wrong then?
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary"
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 4 Feb 23:38
It`s not a matter of right or wrong, it`s a matter of opinion. I`d like to hear why he favours three at the back though.
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Topic Originator: SergioDuarte
Date: Mon 5 Feb 01:53
The time for panicking is now. Get Dick Campbell phoned .
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Mon 5 Feb 11:41
Quote:
Socks, Sat 3 Feb 19:42
It`s hard when players go out and make basic mistakes, but the manager has to take a lot of the responsibility for what happened today.
Firstly, the pitch is poor, cutting up all over the place and especially on the stand side. I know McPake likes the short and slow stuff, but imposing that on a team for whom it`s normally ineffective anyway and making them play like that on a difficult pitch just felt bizarre to me. Walcott playing out in that area of the pitch in the first half looked pretty bad, but I fault the manager more than him for making him try to do that. He looked good last week at Tannadice when he was allowed to just be a defender and use his pace to do effective defensive work. If he`s forced to play the short and slow stuff, I can only see it ruining him.
A huge problem for us is that we don`t have a credible direct option. With the way we`re currently set up, the only options seem to be the odd high ball that comes straight back, or trying to play the slow stuff from the back. It`s utterly grim, and the contrast with Morton today was very obvious. They`re not a brilliant side but they did the basics well, played quite directly and crucially got enough players up to support to let them win ball in our half. They were energetic and played with aggression, snapping into tackles. We don`t do any of that and I find it very hard to accept us being so passive and completely lacking in aggression.
The slow stuff has never worked. I absolutely hate it and I say similar most weeks. Folk moan about the system, but for me the style of play is the far greater concern.
5 minutes in Morton were pressing our defenders you could see what was coming , the football last year while winning was pretty poor , we continue to play the slow build up style,it worked in Div 1 not now , we have little or no goal threat , I like McPake but his football philosophy is fine for Man City but with these players a recipe for relegation.
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Topic Originator: par58
Date: Mon 5 Feb 13:22
Disgraceful comment
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Mon 5 Feb 13:43
Quote:
par58, Mon 5 Feb 13:22
Disgraceful comment
What is?
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Mon 5 Feb 13:43
With Comrie out we don`t have a right back. Think that`s the main reason we haven`t moved to a 4-2-3-1 or a straight forward Mike Bassett style 4-4-F`ing-2. Benjamin can apparently play there but shuffling a new player on debut into another new position was maybe felt to be a step too far?
To be honest, I don`t think it would have made much difference with the way Morton had control over the midfield.
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Topic Originator: par-91
Date: Mon 5 Feb 14:03
Anyone abusing players at a football match is out of order. I was frustrated with what I was watching, so I left when I’d had enough. Nobody involved with the club deserves any kind of abuse.
Fans are right to ask questions and criticise the way we’re playing. But it doesn’t need to be (and should never be) personal.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Mon 5 Feb 14:06
Quote:
par-91, Mon 5 Feb 14:03
Anyone abusing players at a football match is out of order. I was frustrated with what I was watching, so I left when I’d had enough. Nobody involved with the club deserves any kind of abuse.
Fans are right to ask questions and criticise the way we’re playing. But it doesn’t need to be (and should never be) personal.
Agreed
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 5 Feb 14:10
Quote:
par-91, Mon 5 Feb 14:03
Anyone abusing players at a football match is out of order. I was frustrated with what I was watching, so I left when I’d had enough. Nobody involved with the club deserves any kind of abuse.
Fans are right to ask questions and criticise the way we’re playing. But it doesn’t need to be (and should never be) personal.
I was down at the NW disabled platform seeing to my dad at FT on Saturday. The abuse directed at the players was horrible, from grown men too.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Mon 05 Feb 14:10)
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Mon 5 Feb 14:18
I was there at the end applauding the team for the following reason. I am a supporter. I wasn’t happy but all players tried and sometimes it happens. It made me feel better as I was the only person left in my section. It is my personal preference and I prefer to leave when it gets too much, but when on a hiding sometimes that single supporter is maybe what inspires a player. So I thought I would stay this time and applaud. Even if people think I am wrong.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 5 Feb 14:34
Quote:
parsmad68, Mon 5 Feb 14:18
I was there at the end applauding the team for the following reason. I am a supporter. I wasn’t happy but all players tried and sometimes it happens. It made me feel better as I was the only person left in my section. It is my personal preference and I prefer to leave when it gets too much, but when on a hiding sometimes that single supporter is maybe what inspires a player. So I thought I would stay this time and applaud. Even if people think I am wrong.
FWIW I`m the same. I don`t see players out there not trying. I can see they were hurting. It was just about as bad a day as you could get. Screaming that they`re "not fit to wear the shirt" was extremely unnecessary
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Mon 5 Feb 15:02
Unnecessary to abuse players and will achieve absolutely nothing. Any shouting should be encouragement. The performance was bad but its about recognising that and raking steps to correct it for me
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Mon 5 Feb 16:06
Totally understand why people are fed up etc but shouting and screaming at players is a sign of someone`s own failings frankly. It`s just plain weird behaviour and doesn`t happen in many other sports. Typically, exclusively blokes as well.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Mon 5 Feb 16:59
Quote:
OzPar, Sun 4 Feb 22:31
Would a 36-year-old Joe Cardle coming on for the second half have improved things? Just asking.
At least he would put a cross in the box which Edwards and ohalloran find a challenge.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Mon 5 Feb 17:02
Think it feels worse, at least if the players had stopped playing for mcpake you know it would have come to a head.
The fact these guys were so far away from competing while still trying should worry us. Again I find myself thinking why would these young loans care what happens to us this season. It was the same when we went down last time. Was sat the same as the raith game that season where we had 4 young loans in midfield and got mullered then too.
There was evidence of players turning thier backs on the ball in the highlights, those same players would usually have put it all on the line, something is not right and not just on the pitch.
Post Edited (Mon 05 Feb 17:23)
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Mon 5 Feb 17:12
Shouting abuse at young players who crave the adulation of the NW was appalling
They aren’t experienced players but were coached very badly on the day.
I was there to the end and couldn’t bring myself to throw the slightest bit of vitriol.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Tue 6 Feb 06:55
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Mon 5 Feb 17:12
Shouting abuse at young players who crave the adulation of the NW was appalling
They aren’t experienced players but were coached very badly on the day.
I was there to the end and couldn’t bring myself to throw the slightest bit of vitriol.
Watching the highlights, I saw players not trying and downing tools. Shocking performance. What will they do on Saturday?
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 6 Feb 08:29
Quote:
nick_dafc1, Tue 6 Feb 06:55
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Mon 5 Feb 17:12
Shouting abuse at young players who crave the adulation of the NW was appalling
They aren’t experienced players but were coached very badly on the day.
I was there to the end and couldn’t bring myself to throw the slightest bit of vitriol.
Watching the highlights, I saw players not trying and downing tools. Shocking performance. What will they do on Saturday?
Rubbish
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Tue 6 Feb 08:44
Not sure I saw anyone not trying. I thought we lacked creativity, positivity and penetration. We allowed Morton to dominate and set the tone of the game. You have to focus on your own performance and let the opposition worry about you, not the other way around.
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Topic Originator: RhinoPars
Date: Tue 6 Feb 09:33
There is no excuse as we deservedly lost in what was a terrible performance. Morton also deserve credit for their pressing to win the ball back and how they attacked in numbers. While they are the form team, that was an awful performance from us.
However, I thought we weren`t helped by the referee who continually let Morton get away with fouling us (pushes in back etc.) breaking up our play;
with him either just awarding a free kick or letting play continue. On Pars TV it looked like their first goal was offside, but on video, one couldn`t see the whole pitch when the ball was played through. For those at the game was the first goal offside or was the run well timed?
As others have said, a major problem for us was our lack of tempo and incredibly slow build-up as we tried to play out from the back. Sloth football! We have missed Matty Todd and Kane R-H and Andy Tod also can thread passes through.
The one player who I thought was trying to get things going for us and who was showing a bit more urgency was O`Halloran.
The next two games will be crucial for our season.
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Topic Originator: doctordandruff
Date: Tue 6 Feb 11:21
First goal was a mile offside, and you could tell from the linesman`s body language that he froze. There was another awful decision from him about 5 mins later but that came to nothing
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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar
Date: Tue 6 Feb 12:49
I waited until the end of the game before leaving, and as my seat is behind the goals I did not see or hear any abuse (I did hear booing). I agree that their first goal looked well offside, for their second after Deniz had brought a very good save their player reacted first well before our defenders. We are missing Bene, hopefully he will get back sooner rather than later.
matt forsyth
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Tue 6 Feb 12:54
All this talk of Bene, could the unthinkable happen at 32yrs old and out for a full season that he never recovers to championship pace?
A experienced CB must be high up on the shortlist.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Tue 6 Feb 12:54
If anyone thinks the players tried their hardest and put it on the line on sat they only have to look at some of the highlights.
The very first segment in the highlights, look at the wall? Half of them turn away from the ball rather than try to block
2nd goal, ball about to go into the box what does McCann do? Turns away from it then check the resigned to defeat body language as he trundles back to halfway.
3rd goal McCann barely tries for the header while looking away from the ball as not wanting to get hurt.
These are just a couple of examples….all is not well and it’s not just the injuries.
Back to being drenched in my own negativity….
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 6 Feb 13:14
I was at the game so don`t need to watch the highlights. The players put in a shift. There was plenty of effort. They were just really poor on the day. The "something" that is not right is we are injury ravaged, low on confidence and in the middle of a crap run of form. As are quite a lot of teams in Scotland. Not all dressing rooms have been "lost" as youre obviously hinting.
Oh and try not repeatedly picking on the same players on every single post.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Tue 06 Feb 13:14)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 6 Feb 14:07
If our strikers were as prolific with scoring chances as Berkey is with negative posts after a poor result we wouldn`t be in trouble. No one is spared - the manager, the Board, the older players, the younger players. Of course if you adopt a scatter-gun approach you`re bound to hit the target now and again. Needless to say he was strangely reticent when we were picking up points.
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Topic Originator: Parsweep
Date: Tue 6 Feb 15:01
Quote:
da_no_1, Tue 6 Feb 13:14
I was at the game so don`t need to watch the highlights. The players put in a shift. There was plenty of effort. They were just really poor on the day. The "something" that is not right is we are injury ravaged, low on confidence and in the middle of a crap run of form. As are quite a lot of teams in Scotland. Not all dressing rooms have been "lost" as youre obviously hinting.
Oh and try not repeatedly picking on the same players on every single post.
I was at the game on Saturday as well , and I can see where Berkey`s coming from . I`m not absolving J McPake of his responsibility , but I saw precious little closing down or desire in the tackle last Saturday . Those things are down to the players .
Bobvo
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Tue 6 Feb 15:06
It’s supposedly a tight knit group of players, maybe they were disappointed someone like Fenton wasn’t given a chance while others walk into the team with barely a training session done? We don’t know.
Wee eck I’ve been fairly consistent over the years about the players I dont think are good enough at this level.
Our resilience has gone and on sat after 10 minutes we were a team who knew it was going to get beat.
Post Edited (Tue 06 Feb 15:08)
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Topic Originator: par-91
Date: Tue 6 Feb 15:19
Quote:
Berkey, Tue 6 Feb 12:54
If anyone thinks the players tried their hardest and put it on the line on sat they only have to look at some of the highlights.
The very first segment in the highlights, look at the wall? Half of them turn away from the ball rather than try to block
2nd goal, ball about to go into the box what does McCann do? Turns away from it then check the resigned to defeat body language as he trundles back to halfway.
3rd goal McCann barely tries for the header while looking away from the ball as not wanting to get hurt.
These are just a couple of examples….all is not well and it’s not just the injuries.
I don’t think it’s a lack of effort. I think they’re just not physical enough. Someone the size of McCann should be a dominant force in the air, but he doesn’t seem to have been coached/learned how to use that physicality as an advantage on the pitch. Thats not just McCann, in general we are very ‘soft’ and have guys getting brushed off the ball by much wiser footballers.
We have a lot of players that have decent technical ability. But not many that can cope with the physical aspect that comes with playing against experienced pros in the championship.
I find it bizarre that someone like McPake, who was a really passionate player and would put his body on the line, hasn’t coached that into the team he manages. Instead, we have guys backing out of challenges and being outfought by smaller players in physical/aerial challenges.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Tue 6 Feb 15:25
The way I see it is we need to look forward to the next game, be very clear what went wrong last time around, sort them out and take it into the next game. There are plenty of negatives but we cannot change what happened. Just make sure it doesn’t happen again.
Let’s see what weaknesses have been solved next time around or we may face the same mauling.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 6 Feb 15:32
Quote:
parsmad68, Tue 6 Feb 15:25
The way I see it is we need to look forward to the next game, be very clear what went wrong last time around, sort them out and take it into the next game. There are plenty of negatives but we cannot change what happened. Just make sure it doesn’t happen again.
Let’s see what weaknesses have been solved next time around or we may face the same mauling.
Great post. Saturday was garbage but its done. There`s absolutely no need to keep banging on incessantly about what went wrong polluting every thread with the same negative thoughts. Hopefully the players/management are trying to put it behind them as should we. The week before we matched up to the league leaders. We can go toe to toe with good teams. We`ve done it in the past to better teams than QP and Arbroath.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 6 Feb 15:57
I don`t think it`s true to say that our players aren`t prepared to put their bodies on the line. In fact one of the defining features since McPake arrived is the way players deny space around and in our box and block attempts at goal. For some reason that was missing on Saturday.
You certainly have been consistent about the players you don`t think are good enough, Berkey - anyone in a Pars` strip. In all the years I`ve followed this forum I don`t remember you posting anything positive about the team. As I said you seem to disappear when things are going relatively well.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Tue 6 Feb 17:32
Quote:
weemike, Tue 6 Feb 12:54
All this talk of Bene, could the unthinkable happen at 32yrs old and out for a full season that he never recovers to championship pace?
A experienced CB must be high up on the shortlist.
What makes you think that?
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Tue 6 Feb 17:58
Quote:
JTH123, Tue 6 Feb 17:32
Quote:
weemike, Tue 6 Feb 12:54
All this talk of Bene, could the unthinkable happen at 32yrs old and out for a full season that he never recovers to championship pace?
A experienced CB must be high up on the shortlist.
What makes you think that?
It`s not unthinkable that a player in their 30`s starts to decline year on year, let alone one who is out for a year.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Tue 6 Feb 18:31
Quote:
parsmad68, Tue 6 Feb 15:25
The way I see it is we need to look forward to the next game, be very clear what went wrong last time around, sort them out and take it into the next game. There are plenty of negatives but we cannot change what happened. Just make sure it doesn’t happen again.
Let’s see what weaknesses have been solved next time around or we may face the same mauling.
You`ll be delighted to hear that the manager and his squad approach it exactly as you outline it above, parsmad. After a poor result, they`ll look at the video of the previous game, dicuss what they did well (if applicable) and then look at any mistakes which were made with a view to eradicating or at least reducing them.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Tue 6 Feb 18:31
I don’t fully agree with the comment on the players trying, not all of them anyway.
At the start, yes but soon as the first went in I just felt that the players…i won’t say gave up, but perhaps got disillusioned with the way they were being asked to play, it’s like they knew it wasn’t working, wasn’t going to start working at any point and with little support from the sidelines, just went through the motions.
If that’s the case and they aren’t buying into the game plan, then that is more worrying than the result itself.
Pure speculation on my part obviously and just from what I saw.
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Topic Originator: TommyR
Date: Tue 6 Feb 20:05
Quote:
eastendalloapar, Tue 6 Feb 12:49
I waited until the end of the game before leaving, and as my seat is behind the goals I did not see or hear any abuse (I did hear booing). I agree that their first goal looked well offside, for their second after Deniz had brought a very good save their player reacted first well before our defenders. We are missing Bene, hopefully he will get back sooner rather than later.
Most players went straight for the tunnel but McCann came over the North West looking very upset and a fair few people shouted some pretty nasty things at him. Poor lad looked like he was gonna cry.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Tue 6 Feb 22:07
Quote:
TommyR, Tue 6 Feb 20:05
Most players went straight for the tunnel but McCann came over the North West looking very upset and a fair few people shouted some pretty nasty things at him. Poor lad looked like he was gonna cry.
I can imagine how that would be upsetting. Guys that have come up through the youth system having to listen to their own supporters giving them disgusting, personal abuse? Young guys who are carrying injuries that are having to play through the pain barrier when they are clearly needing a rest?
The fans are quick enough to be basking in the reflected glory when the guys on the park do the business, but when the chips are down they are quick to turn.
Crap fans
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 6 Feb 22:15
Quote:
TommyR, Tue 6 Feb 20:05
Quote:
eastendalloapar, Tue 6 Feb 12:49
I waited until the end of the game before leaving, and as my seat is behind the goals I did not see or hear any abuse (I did hear booing). I agree that their first goal looked well offside, for their second after Deniz had brought a very good save their player reacted first well before our defenders. We are missing Bene, hopefully he will get back sooner rather than later.
Most players went straight for the tunnel but McCann came over the North West looking very upset and a fair few people shouted some pretty nasty things at him. Poor lad looked like he was gonna cry.
That`s really disappointing to hear.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar
Date: Tue 6 Feb 22:25
I agree da_no_1
matt forsyth
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Tue 6 Feb 23:10
Aye let’s applaud the team of the pitch after a 5-0 gubbing? They were poor the 5 games before that soo well done..😅😅
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 6 Feb 23:26
Quote:
Alter Ego, Tue 6 Feb 23:10
Aye let’s applaud the team of the pitch after a 5-0 gubbing? They were poor the 5 games before that soo well done..😅😅
Anyone with half a brain cell would know that screaming abuse at anyone in virtually any situation is unacceptable.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: par-91
Date: Wed 7 Feb 06:42
Quote:
Alter Ego, Tue 6 Feb 23:10
Aye let’s applaud the team of the pitch after a 5-0 gubbing? They were poor the 5 games before that soo well done..😅😅
So it’s either applaud or shout abuse at young guys? You can’t just leave without doing either? Thats a really concerning mentality.
No issue with people who wanted to boo at full time, then leave. Nobody has ever said people should applaud/be happy at full time. But there’s no valid reason to be abusing players, manager or anyone else.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Wed 7 Feb 14:49
I think it`s easy to throw "the players not trying" line out maybe or maybe they just lack the ability to compete regularly at this level.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 7 Feb 15:36
Quote:
par-91, Wed 7 Feb 06:42
Quote:
Alter Ego, Tue 6 Feb 23:10
Aye let’s applaud the team of the pitch after a 5-0 gubbing? They were poor the 5 games before that soo well done..😅😅
So it’s either applaud or shout abuse at young guys? You can’t just leave without doing either? Thats a really concerning mentality.
No issue with people who wanted to boo at full time, then leave. Nobody has ever said people should applaud/be happy at full time. But there’s no valid reason to be abusing players, manager or anyone else.
Good post, 91.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Ladswell_Thistle
Date: Wed 7 Feb 19:36
Might aswell try and support them on Saturday, get behind them, and encourage them. 🤷♂️
Might need an ambulance near the north stand as the guy sitting behind me is going to explode at some point with all the abuse and screaming he does.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Wed 7 Feb 19:43
Quote:
Ladswell_Thistle, Wed 7 Feb 19:36
Might aswell try and support them on Saturday, get behind them, and encourage them. 🤷♂️
Might need an ambulance near the north stand as the guy sitting behind me is going to explode at some point with all the abuse and screaming he does.
Cant be worse than the 3rd proclaimer brother at the back of the Norrie.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: TommyR
Date: Wed 7 Feb 20:41
Quote:
Ladswell_Thistle, Wed 7 Feb 19:36
Might aswell try and support them on Saturday, get behind them, and encourage them. 🤷♂️
Might need an ambulance near the north stand as the guy sitting behind me is going to explode at some point with all the abuse and screaming he does.
I think I know who you`re talking about 😅
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Fri 9 Feb 20:09
Morton ahead against Motherwell.
From a corner
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Fri 9 Feb 20:47
2-0
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 9 Feb 21:38
FT 2-1
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Fri 9 Feb 21:41
Good team performance from Morton tonight…. Hopefully our team looked at the hard work those players put in and come on ye pars!!
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Fri 9 Feb 21:54
Well done Morton
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 9 Feb 22:01
Like us Motherwell found Morton a very difficult team to play against. They did defend a bit better than us though.
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Topic Originator: RossF
Date: Fri 9 Feb 22:25
Morton have exactly we had last year and seriously lack at the moment. A bit of nastiness in the squad and players who all seem to be on the same page and work well together. I hope we can find that again pretty quickly, as our squad from last season could defeat anyone in this league. The bad luck with injuries have really affected us and what’s worse is that the players available cannot play the system McPake was so successful with last season. He needs to realise this and change it up until these key players return. The fact we have not signed well during the transfer windows this season doesn`t help either.
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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar
Date: Sat 10 Feb 08:09
I watched most of Ton V Well game. One thing that I noticed was how muscular the Ton players are. Perhaps our players should spend more time in our Gym. Not only could it make our players stronger but it might make them less injury prone.
matt forsyth
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 10 Feb 08:23
Sure this has been talked about before and trying to work on bulking up the younger players, we’ve been a bit weaker physically than some of the better teams for some time and particularly at this level.
Otoo feels like the only player currently in the team who is hard to get the ball off when he’s protecting it and uses his strength to win the ball when it seemed unlikely he would.
Back to being drenched in my own negativity….
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sun 11 Feb 07:54
Aye, if you`re going to be as slow as Joe Chalmers, you might ad well have the build of Nat Wedderburn! Get some opposition players bouncing off you rather than the other way round.
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