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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Sat 10 Feb 16:37
Enough is enough, utter shambles again. No urgency, no fight and power puff up top. We need a change in direction and fast.
Mcpake out!!
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Topic Originator: Parallel Lines
Date: Sat 10 Feb 16:38
Has to go tonight.
I looked for my pet in all the books on animals and birds and then I found it in the Book of Revelations.Marty Feldman
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Sat 10 Feb 16:38
Quote:
Bannockburn Par, Sat 10 Feb 16:37
Enough is enough, utter shambles again. No urgency, no fight and power puff up top. We need a change in direction and fast.
Mcpake out!!
He isn`t going anywhere, the board love him
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Topic Originator: Row_ZZ
Date: Sat 10 Feb 16:41
Yep, has to go now. No more excuses.
"A smile might be good!"
"Nothing to smile about in my life"
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Topic Originator: ParfectXI
Date: Sat 10 Feb 16:42
Unequivocally Yes! But as said by Nick dafc1 he ain’t going anywhere, even if relegated
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 10 Feb 16:43
No option, unfortunately. Take a few board members too, please.
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Topic Originator: craigypar35
Date: Sat 10 Feb 16:44
His signings have been dreadful. Wish we could get the German owners and their true sportsmanship out
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Topic Originator: RossF
Date: Sat 10 Feb 16:45
Has to go unfortunately. Never thought I would say that. The Germans need to pack up and leave also. They’re a massive reason why we’re in this position. Since they’ve taken over we’ve went backwards.
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Sat 10 Feb 16:46
“True sportsmanship” out
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 10 Feb 16:46
Yeah, whether he’s been sold a pup by the board or not we don’t know but by and large it’s his team and they ain’t playing for him.
Time to go, even his mates who he brought in are not playing for him.
He’s saddled the next man with absolute dross on long term deals too.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Sat 10 Feb 16:46
It should be Cook out too
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Topic Originator: back oh the net
Date: Sat 10 Feb 16:48
Quote:
nick_dafc1, Sat 10 Feb 16:46
It should be Cook out too
Out and al even pay for his taxi
Come on ye pars ⚽️
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Topic Originator: GG4
Date: Sat 10 Feb 16:48
Out.
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Topic Originator: fergie
Date: Sat 10 Feb 16:50
This is just awful
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Topic Originator: General Zod
Date: Sat 10 Feb 16:51
Keep McPake. Sack the board. They’re the ones taking us backwards yet again. For the a millionth time, just who the fack are these people?
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Topic Originator: fergie
Date: Sat 10 Feb 16:51
Goal 3 for QP sums us up
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 10 Feb 16:52
YES. Two home games... 0-8...
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 10 Feb 16:53
Quote:
General Zod, Sat 10 Feb 16:51
Keep McPake. Sack the board. They’re the ones taking us backwards yet again. For the a millionth time, just who the fack are these people?
Questions need asked about the board. I`ve never been sure about one in particular after it was alleged we hired a failed manager on the basis of his recommendation.
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Sat 10 Feb 16:54
Quote:
General Zod, Sat 10 Feb 16:51
Keep McPake. Sack the board. They’re the ones taking us backwards yet again. For the a millionth time, just who the fack are these people?
The same manager who has kept the same tactics over 180mins at 0-8
Inept
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Topic Originator: Stozy
Date: Sat 10 Feb 16:55
Not sure he is the only problem, but the team is ultimately his responsibility. So, aye.
Multiple poor transfer windows and an ineffective system really doing us in.
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Topic Originator: NikNakPar
Date: Sat 10 Feb 16:56
Yes. I`ll give him a lift. That was terrible yet again
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 10 Feb 16:56
Cook out. McPake out.
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Sat 10 Feb 16:57
Quote:
OzPar, Sat 10 Feb 16:56
Cook out. McPake out.
Still the issue of 2 years of chalmers and 3 years of mehmet, 2 of Wighton and lots more
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Topic Originator: Bamba-Daft
Date: Sat 10 Feb 16:58
100% out. Hopeless.
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Topic Originator: obiwanyouknowme
Date: Sat 10 Feb 16:58
Hopefully he goes but I doubt it.
He brought the players in, injuries is an excuse the team is woeful. Full of kids who clearly lack confidence.
Heads are down and so will we be.
Seaside league awaits
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Topic Originator: 2004Par
Date: Sat 10 Feb 17:00
Realistically we all know he won’t be sacked for a while. Look how long it took hughes and grant to be booted .
Post Edited (Sat 10 Feb 17:00)
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Topic Originator: KirklistonPar
Date: Sat 10 Feb 17:01
I get a feeling something is drastically wrong out with our manager. Is the board telling the manager who to play or is McPake not interested in winning a game. Never seems to play different formation, tactic or change the starting eleven. I know we have lots of players out injured but we’ve been watching the same players fail to win for a while now and we really need a shake up. Even the young guys in the squad can’t be any worse than what we’re needing to watch.
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Sat 10 Feb 17:01
Shambles. Time to go.
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Topic Originator: Doves
Date: Sat 10 Feb 17:01
He will eventually be sacked but the damage will be done by the time we do.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 10 Feb 17:02
He HAS to go. Definition of madness is trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Clearly no-one has.tols McPake!
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Topic Originator: Parsdaft
Date: Sat 10 Feb 17:03
McPake out, Bullen in!
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 10 Feb 17:03
Got to go - that was that bad today we spent a large period watching the rugby!
0-8 at home in last 2 games is indefensible.
Bye bye James
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Sat 10 Feb 17:04
Quote:
Doves, Sat 10 Feb 17:01
He will eventually be sacked but the damage will be done by the time we do.
Could go tonight and damage already done. Recruitment awful, and just persisting with a setup that doesn`t work is criminal.
We got worse with every sub he made today.
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Sat 10 Feb 17:06
The whole football operation needs to be ruthlessly torn up. Recruitment is a shambles, extending the absolute muck that got the club relegated previously. McPake has to take responsibility for failing to adapt his system at a crucial point of the season.
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Topic Originator: nazpar
Date: Sat 10 Feb 17:06
The question is will a new manager get more out of the players we have .?
nazpar
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 10 Feb 17:07
Has mcpake chucked it? ie now telling the board this is the result you get when you don’t let me choose my players and don’t bring in more experience?
Feels like it and the players are taking their lead from him.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Sat 10 Feb 17:08
Quote:
nazpar, Sat 10 Feb 17:06
The question is will a new manager get more out of the players we have .?
He`s not going to get any less, is he?
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Topic Originator: Par
Date: Sat 10 Feb 17:10
The director of football and CEO have a lot to answer for, the team are a shambles with no investment their future must be in doubt.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sat 10 Feb 17:11
"0-8 at home in last 2 games is indefensible."
Indeed.
Eight consecutive games winless, 6 goals for, 17 against - three points from twenty four.
Says it all.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 10 Feb 17:12
CEO better be on at least a 50% pay cut if we go down.
Hopefully we’ve learned from last time and done the same for wighton, mehmet, o’hallaran, chalmers and mccann. Although doubt it as they don’t seem to care either way.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: hudza
Date: Sat 10 Feb 17:14
Adios
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Topic Originator: The Boss
Date: Sat 10 Feb 17:15
100% out! The Germans can join him too!
I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Sat 10 Feb 17:15
Another Manager coming in still has to work with these players and they are stuck with the majority for next season too !
None of us know what is going on behind the scenes so we cannot speculate
But losing 8 goals with none in reply is not a good stat !
We cannot defend these players because they are not learning from their mistakes , it`s the same week in week out any ball that comes into our box usually ends up in the net for one reason or another , if you sit back you invite teams to you , sometimes you need to attack and change your formation
I will give McPake the Arbroath game and see what happens before i say Yes/No for punting him , But who else is out there ??
I hear folk talking about Bullen , is this the same Bullen that got sacked from Ayr because of similar things to ours ? so oyu know my answer on him
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Topic Originator: Par
Date: Sat 10 Feb 17:17
Auf Wiedersehen Germans
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Topic Originator: Kozmano1
Date: Sat 10 Feb 17:18
That was brutal. It’s all over bar the shouting. Hopefully someone else at the helm . Teams full of imposters. Summers has won a watch with a 3 year deal at Celtic. No chance he will play top level football
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Topic Originator: KirklistonPar
Date: Sat 10 Feb 17:19
At this rate of free fall we will soon be playing part time football at our Rosyth training ground. These investors have been murder so far in regards to picking managers and making funds available to get players in the door.
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Topic Originator: Ianoappar
Date: Sat 10 Feb 17:21
Who do you get and with the dross we have given extended contracts to its a big ask to turn this around.
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sat 10 Feb 17:21
He needs to resign ,But I have a bad feeling there maybe further issues throughout the club not just on the park.
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Topic Originator: Gaz3822
Date: Sat 10 Feb 17:21
For me the board cannot be trusted.
They get rid of McPake, which I don`t think they will, who`s in the door next ?
McPake is showing here why Dundee got shot.
Having said that, I feel his hands have been tied in the windows, but he also sanctioned long deals for 3 muppets who did sfa the last time we were in this league.
What`s went on with this club over the last 6 or 7 yrs has made me not go so much and do other things on a sat and I`m actually sad for the guys who continue putting their hands in their pockets season after season, because they`re not getting value for money, nothing near it.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 10 Feb 17:27
The board set up needs looked at. Surely some fans with money who could seek to oust who`s there currently? It feels like we lost a lot of good board members but some seem to have been around way too long.
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Sat 10 Feb 17:40
No point sacking Mcpake , no one can make those players good enough to stay up , get rid in the summer .
We`re also stuck with half these players next season in division 1 ,if we`re no in administration before then.
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Topic Originator: obiwanyouknowme
Date: Sat 10 Feb 17:40
I think it’s time to go.
Yeah we have had injuries, but there has been chances to bring in players to fill these areas, bring in young lads and go on a a bad run and it’s hard to get it turned around.
My issue is he never changes formation he has no clue. What about trying 4-4-2? 4-5-1.
He’s never brought in a striker but let 2 with experience go, but we tried to get Brophy. We couldn’t match or beat Raith in offers.
We are a joke
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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar
Date: Sat 10 Feb 17:46
The Germans have destroyed our club. Under them we have went from a top 4 club to one which has been relegated twice? They have to go and they should take the joker who is known as the CEO with them. When we go down this time McPake will resign anyway. I do not know how much money has been invested in our training facility but I have been worried that we could never afford it, Falkirk tried to run one and look where they`ve been for many years.
matt forsyth
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Sat 10 Feb 17:48
Really they had to either back him in the transfer window or sack him and back his replacement. They did neither. That’s why we are where we are.
Only the guys coming back from injury can save us from relegation now.
If you get bene, fisher, breen, matty Tod and krh back in then then we will start winning games. No idea on timescales for them but that is what it all hinges on now.
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Topic Originator: LEGEND85
Date: Sat 10 Feb 18:07
Quote:
Never10yairds, Sat 10 Feb 17:48
Really they had to either back him in the transfer window or sack him and back his replacement. They did neither. That’s why we are where we are.
Only the guys coming back from injury can save us from relegation now.
If you get bene, fisher, breen, matty Tod and krh back in then then we will start winning games. No idea on timescales for them but that is what it all hinges on now.
Do you think it`s a good idea to be relying on players injured for most of the season
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Sat 10 Feb 18:11
What other option do we have at this point Legend85? The ones currently fit are going to get us relegated. The returning injured players are our only hope now after a dismal January transfer window.
Post Edited (Sat 10 Feb 18:11)
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Topic Originator: Row_ZZ
Date: Sat 10 Feb 18:15
We`d only sign players with a "wow factor" as well. If McPake meant "Wow, they`re sh*te" then he is spot on.
Ridiculous recruitment. The board had to back him in January to get some signings in to turn this around, and he ended up going for inexperienced players that are clearly not up to it. We are definitely going down unless a miracle happens or the injured players come back pronto and can help turn things around. An absolute horror show of a season.
"A smile might be good!"
"Nothing to smile about in my life"
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 10 Feb 18:16
Legend those players might help you stop leaking goals but apart from todd they ain’t going to score you goals and it’s the goals that win games.
Nevermind we can continue to watch McCann stink the place out, not his fault tho, he’s way out his depth at this level.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Dazfern
Date: Sat 10 Feb 18:24
Yes.
I do hate to say it because I believe ALOT of the players and board are to blame, I also believe that he wants to do well by us. Unfortunately in my opinion he doesn`t have the quality to take us any further than a mediocre championship team. Problem is I could not tell you who we would replace him with....
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Topic Originator: Parallel Lines
Date: Sat 10 Feb 18:32
Has he gone yet?
I looked for my pet in all the books on animals and birds and then I found it in the Book of Revelations.Marty Feldman
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Topic Originator: Row_ZZ
Date: Sat 10 Feb 18:33
No, and he won`t be sacked. The Board and him are one and the same. All needing to GTF.
"A smile might be good!"
"Nothing to smile about in my life"
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 10 Feb 18:34
Probably in the out group, but who would come in and make Mehmet, Breen, Allan, Chalmers, McCann, the loanees etc into Championship level players? A Bullen type might organise things a bit better at the back but do the players we have a bailable capable of keeping a clean sheet even with better organisation? Cos we sure as hell wouldn`t be scoring many with that kind of manager, just as we don`t now.
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Topic Originator: The moose
Date: Sat 10 Feb 18:36
Hi Buffy, wots your opinion on this?
BCM
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 10 Feb 18:37
2 hours in and not one backing mcpake….
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 10 Feb 18:42
Mcpake post match "I will go on record saying we won`t get relegated from this league".
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 10 Feb 18:43
I think I’m on a shoogily fence, Moose
I really wanted McPake to do well this season and I still want to believe it.
I knew it would be harder this season but the big loss in goals and not having a decent (or any) striker / striking partnership is hard to take.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sat 10 Feb 18:48
After last week we needed a response this week,
We never got one.
I fully expected Mcpake to get the backing of the board last Monday at lunchtime,
Which we all know is lose your next match and your sacked.
I think this Monday he will get the vote of confidence and it will all hinge on next week`s match.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 10 Feb 18:54
Quote:
buffy, Sat 10 Feb 18:43
I think I’m on a shoogily fence, Moose
I really wanted McPake to do well this season and I still want to believe it.
I knew it would be harder this season but the big loss in goals and not having a decent (or any) striker / striking partnership is hard to take.
Have to say I agree. I`ve let anger get in the way. It can`t all sit on McPake. Almost everything that could go wrong this season has. Let`s see what happens with Arbroath. When you look at the table you see how tight it is.
We desperately need help up front. Even if it`s just boosting the confidence of who we have.
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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1
Date: Sat 10 Feb 18:57
I`m still behind McPake and want to give him the chance to turn it around and I`m confident he will be able to keep us up
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Topic Originator: Socks
Date: Sat 10 Feb 19:00
Sadly, I think it is time. I was impressed with him last season and I really didn`t want it to come to this but today had the same feel as Stephen Kenny`s last game. Like that home loss to Dundee, today we just looked utterly bereft of anything towards the end of the game and looked like we`d never score a goal ever again.
He`s had a lot go against him this year but it just seems that some kind of change is needed. At the moment it feels that we`re sliding towards inevitable relegation unless something happens to turn us round quickly.
Maybe we just need a few breaks to go our way and it`s possible that he might turn it round. If he stays, I really hope he does but, on balance, I think I`d rather take a chance and see if a change gives us the lift we need. I`m really sad that it`s come to this.
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Sat 10 Feb 19:17
No. Let the guy`s who got us into the situation get us out of it. Anyone coming in will just say it was the previous manager`s fault.
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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar
Date: Sat 10 Feb 19:18
If he was to resign I would like him to tell us the truth about the board and CEO`s signing policy.
matt forsyth
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Topic Originator: Beeches Par
Date: Sat 10 Feb 19:21
Quote:
Alter Ego, Sat 10 Feb 18:50
I would like to remind you all that is our investors did pull out we would not have a football club.
Football was not great last season but functional and did the business. We will never know how well Mcpake has been backed by the board but the last two results have been wholly unacceptable and we are now on the slippery slope to the playoffs or straight relegation. My question is do the investors care?
David G McLean
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Topic Originator: The moose
Date: Sat 10 Feb 19:28
Quote:
buffy, Sat 10 Feb 18:43
I think I’m on a shoogily fence, Moose
I really wanted McPake to do well this season and I still want to believe it.
I knew it would be harder this season but the big loss in goals and not having a decent (or any) striker / striking partnership is hard to take.
Hi Buffy, I know you are hurting but I`ve supported the Pars for 50 years and I`m not sure if I`ll go back. Really hurting.
Ps I stay next door to the Bunnet. 😂
BCM
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Sat 10 Feb 19:28
With a full ish team to chose from Raith, Dundee Utd and Partick beat us pretty convincingly (sometimes twice) but we looked fine besides that.
Outwith that i think we`d be 4th or 5th at worst not with standing all the injuries but here we are.
No point punting him, Mourinho or Alex Ferguson wouldn`t do any better with what is left and i think his work last season earns him the chance to turn it around.
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"People always talk about Ronaldinho and magic, but I didn't see him today. I saw Henrik Larsson; that's where the magic was."
Post Edited (Sat 10 Feb 19:29)
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Topic Originator: gordi-b
Date: Sat 10 Feb 19:32
I like Mcpake but his loyalty to players who are frankly rank rotten has been his undoing, these players were incapable last time in the Championship yet were deemed good enough by him to award them long contracts,says to me his judgement on who is a good proffessional footballer is very lacking.
G.B
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Topic Originator: Luxembourg Par
Date: Sat 10 Feb 19:39
It’s a ‘No’ from me.
1. Don’t think the board will sack him anyway.
2. Who would be available and willing to take the job?
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Sat 10 Feb 20:00
Quote:
eastendalloapar, Sat 10 Feb 19:18
If he was to resign I would like him to tell us the truth about the board and CEO`s signing policy.
Why on earth would he resign? He has bills to pay lol. Never happening.
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Topic Originator: dover par
Date: Sat 10 Feb 20:08
Three at the back, no leadership on the park, persistence on having all players defending corners is getting on ma t!ts….but who
do we bring in?
"Pressure is something you feel when you don't know what the hell you're doing."
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Topic Originator: 1985Par
Date: Sat 10 Feb 20:27
No from me. He has been utterly shafted by injuries. Any plans he had at the start of the season have been shafted by injuries. Yes, all teams get injuries but, in our case, any player we have that can make a difference at this level has been injured repeatedly. Put simply all our key players have been out long term. His signings haven’t been great but I’m not convinced he’s been able to get the quality he’d like. He’s struggling at the moment but he’s been dealt an absolutely sh%%e hand and I’m not convinced anyone could have done significantly better under the circumstances.
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Topic Originator: pacifist
Date: Sat 10 Feb 20:32
McPake will probably be going nowhere. But he needs to change. He has to change a system that is now leaking us a lot of goals without a response at the other end.
We were under a constant press all over the park from a poor team but the space they had all over the park was ridiculous.
If Joe and Allen are his mainstays for a midfield we are seriously screwed. We need pace, aggression, and confidence. If that cannot be instilled into this squad of players we are facing a torrid time.
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Topic Originator: mars par
Date: Sat 10 Feb 20:37
If the likes of O`Halloran and Jakubiak is the quality that McPake wanted more of then I don`t see it. Maybe he wasn`t backed as well as he could have been but the signings we have made have been poor
Any manager would struggle with that injury list but other managers would find a shape that works for the players we have. The team that was on the pitch for the last two weeks is capable of far better than the results that we got - and that`s on the manager
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Topic Originator: 1985Par
Date: Sat 10 Feb 20:41
No it isn’t mars par. The players on the park are not good enough. Simply not good enough and no manager or system will make them good enough.
He’s lost every one of his best players to long term injury and the support cast cannot cope without them.
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Sat 10 Feb 20:45
Looks like a fair bit of the North West have voted with their feet .
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Topic Originator: Gaz3822
Date: Sat 10 Feb 21:00
Aye he`s been shafted by injuries but the summer was a time to build a decent squad, which didn`t happen, it ended up being a case of fingers crossed nothing happens to the 1st 11, and look how that worked out.
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sat 10 Feb 21:10
I don`t believe the manager didn`t have more experienced players lined up but was probably blocked by the board
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Topic Originator: elvis_lives
Date: Sat 10 Feb 21:15
Quote:
saltonsgonagetu, Sat 10 Feb 20:45
Looks like a fair bit of the North West have voted with their feet .
They don`t seem very committed to the cause.
Don`t really blame them though.
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Sat 10 Feb 21:28
We could have a prime Stevie Crawford up front but it wouldn’t matter, we don’t create chances.
We aren’t direct enough. Our midfield tippy tap around when we get the ball and then it just peters out. It’s like watching Peter grants team all over again. We don’t even try to drive forward and get at teams. It’s utter p*sh to watch. Predictable and boring sideway and backwards passes. No killer instinct. No final ball. Very few strikers would score goals in this side. Add that to a makeshift defence made up of insufficient quality cover and you are really struggling. It’s a shambles.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sat 10 Feb 21:33
I really can’t be bothered trawling back through old posts but I know for a fact that I questioned the involvement of “ others “ when it came to recruitment.
As expected I was shot down in flames by the usual….. “ everything is alright brigade” …….. Aye right !
What a frigging disaster we are witnessing now.
Nobody could have predicted how bad our injuries were going to be this season…..but to have done absolutely nothing about it is totally unforgivable.
Shambolic, amateurish and fr*****g incompetent is all that I can think of just now…….
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sat 10 Feb 21:48
Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie like
Date: Sat 10 Feb 19:28
With a full ish team to chose from Raith, Dundee Utd and Partick beat us pretty convincingly (sometimes twice) but we looked fine besides that.
Outwith that i think we`d be 4th or 5th at worst not with standing all the injuries but here we are.
No point punting him, Mourinho or Alex Ferguson wouldn`t do any better with what is left and i think his work last season earns him the chance to turn it around.
Sorry but he has proved that he has no clue…..another Pars manager who is absolutely lost. His interviews are cringeworthy…..
Let’s go down to the seaside league, with one of the best training facilities in the country …….. we are currently a joke of a club… and that hurts….
Yeah….all of us who mumped and moaned about not signing a a striker or another experienced CH were slagged off on here…….well looks looks like we were right.
In all my years following the Pars I have never felt so down as I do just now……
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sat 10 Feb 21:55
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Topic Originator: KnebworthPar
Date: Sat 10 Feb 22:06
Quote:
1985Par, Sat 10 Feb 20:27
No from me. He has been utterly shafted by injuries. Any plans he had at the start of the season have been shafted by injuries. Yes, all teams get injuries but, in our case, any player we have that can make a difference at this level has been injured repeatedly. Put simply all our key players have been out long term. His signings haven’t been great but I’m not convinced he’s been able to get the quality he’d like. He’s struggling at the moment but he’s been dealt an absolutely sh%%e hand and I’m not convinced anyone could have done significantly better under the circumstances.
Ocht this kind of realism simply won’t do. Time for bedwetting only.
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Topic Originator: Parsfangaz
Date: Sat 10 Feb 22:10
Quote:
desparado, Sat 10 Feb 21:48
Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie like
Date: Sat 10 Feb 19:28
With a full ish team to chose from Raith, Dundee Utd and Partick beat us pretty convincingly (sometimes twice) but we looked fine besides that.
Outwith that i think we`d be 4th or 5th at worst not with standing all the injuries but here we are.
No point punting him, Mourinho or Alex Ferguson wouldn`t do any better with what is left and i think his work last season earns him the chance to turn it around.
Sorry but he has proved that he has no clue…..another Pars manager who is absolutely lost. His interviews are cringeworthy…..
Let’s go down to the seaside league, with one of the best training facilities in the country …….. we are currently a joke of a club… and that hurts….
Yeah….all of us who mumped and moaned about not signing a a striker or another experienced CH were slagged off on here…….well looks looks like we were right.
In all my years following the Pars I have never felt so down as I do just now……
we won’t have one of the best training facilities in the country as the only thing being built is the astro as that what the government funding could cover
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Topic Originator: broontroot
Date: Sat 10 Feb 22:10
No from me , I don`t think for one moment that these loan signings were what he would have chosen if he had backing from the board and they had given him some money to bring players in
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Topic Originator: CrossPar
Date: Sat 10 Feb 22:18
It`s a no from me at the moment but he is treading a thin line.
I say no because in 55 years of watching the Pars, I have never seen such a horrendous injury list. What`s more, a team at our level usually has only half a dozen "decent" players and the rest are shirt fillers. Unfortunately, it is all our better players that are missing. Also, I suspect that Mcpake has been unable to sign players he wanted due to financial constraints by the board.
That said, he has made some poor decisions:-
Letting Todorov go without replacing him. (Yes, he is limited but he knows where the goals are, unlike our current strikers)
Giving contract extensions to the like of Mehmet, Wighton and Chalmers.
Trying to playing formations and tactics that our players are incapable of.
Failing to bring in experienced players during the transfer window.
He is now making a bold statement saying we will not get relegated. Reminds me of Peter Grant saying we will win the league.
Watching today`s game from the stands, you could see what was going to happen. We were not pressing them, standing off, and you just knew that if you keep letting Thomas have a ping at goal, he will eventually score. We have too many lightweights in the team that are easily brushed aside. Our midfield is abysmal but because we haven`t sorted out competent replacements for the loss of Bene, Fisher & Breen, we have continually to play Otoo and Hamilton at the back when both should be in midfield.
Everyone knows how tight a league the championship is. Despite a horrendous run, we are only 4 points behind Airdrie who are 5th. The problem is we don`t look like scoring in a month of Sundays so when we lose a goal, we are beat. Confidence looks shot to ribbons. Whoever Mcpake brings in from here needs to be a battler, not another "youth player". If he can get a couple of the right kind in this week and we can somehow beat Arbroath next week, the Arbroath would be 9 adrift of us which would give us a bit of breathing space. However, if we lose, we are really in serious doo dah. In fact, a gubbing next week and I think Mcpake will be gone.
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Topic Originator: firescot
Date: Sat 10 Feb 22:24
Out for me, 8-0 over two home games and sinking fast. The manager ultimately signs, picks and trains the team……and he’s now failing.
Dunfermline 6 Albion Rovers 0. On my birthday as well, thanks very much.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sat 10 Feb 22:40
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
Post Edited (Sat 10 Feb 22:41)
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sat 10 Feb 22:41
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
Post Edited (Sat 10 Feb 22:42)
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sat 10 Feb 22:42
Good post from Cross Par
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
Post Edited (Sat 10 Feb 22:43)
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Topic Originator: Kessel
Date: Sat 10 Feb 22:47
I`d rather get rid of the owners/board than McPake. We`re being run by a bunch of frauds.
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Topic Originator: Roobz
Date: Sat 10 Feb 22:49
I don’t want him to go.
I don’t think the blame lies entirely at his door - it’s not just that we have injuries, it’s the players and positions these injuries have happened. Entire centre defence, the players who provide energy and pace in the middle etc etc.
Additionally, I don’t believe he has been able to build the type of squad he wanted. Example, David Witherspoon. Trained with us most of the summer, we couldn’t seal the deal and he went off to Inverness and now moved to Tannadice. Why? After all those weeks did the manager not rate him? Possibly, but money talks and I don’t think we come up with the goods.
Where I would criticise is the lack of a signing of a proven goalscorer in the summer. But again, was that his fault and had he to make do with best available?
Make no mistake, I do believe we are in a difficult position and I think the players available are currently not good enough and lack belief. When we go a goal down, it’s game over.
Sacking the manager may bring about an immediate response -it often does - but it’s short term and I’m not sure many, if any, managers within our budget would do much better.
We have to hope Bene, KRH, Toddy, and Breen in particular, get back quickly otherwise we are not looking good.
To the bigger picture, wherever we finish this year, we do need to have a look at the whole staff. I’m no medical expert but why are we getting all theses injuries? A lot happen outwith games, so is there something wrong with training methods? Are the medical staff in any way to blame? Not accusing, just asking. Or have we just been unlucky? It does need to be investigated.
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sat 10 Feb 22:49
Quote:
CrossPar, Sat 10 Feb 22:18
It`s a no from me at the moment but he is treading a thin line.
I say no because in 55 years of watching the Pars, I have never seen such a horrendous injury list. What`s more, a team at our level usually has only half a dozen "decent" players and the rest are shirt fillers. Unfortunately, it is all our better players that are missing. Also, I suspect that Mcpake has been unable to sign players he wanted due to financial constraints by the board.
That said, he has made some poor decisions:-
Letting Todorov go without replacing him. (Yes, he is limited but he knows where the goals are, unlike our current strikers)
Giving contract extensions to the like of Mehmet, Wighton and Chalmers.
Trying to playing formations and tactics that our players are incapable of.
Failing to bring in experienced players during the transfer window.
He is now making a bold statement saying we will not get relegated. Reminds me of Peter Grant saying we will win the league.
Watching today`s game from the stands, you could see what was going to happen. We were not pressing them, standing off, and you just knew that if you keep letting Thomas have a ping at goal, he will eventually score. We have too many lightweights in the team that are easily brushed aside. Our midfield is abysmal but because we haven`t sorted out competent replacements for the loss of Bene, Fisher & Breen, we have continually to play Otoo and Hamilton at the back when both should be in midfield.
Everyone knows how tight a league the championship is. Despite a horrendous run, we are only 4 points behind Airdrie who are 5th. The problem is we don`t look like scoring in a month of Sundays so when we lose a goal, we are beat. Confidence looks shot to ribbons. Whoever Mcpake brings in from here needs to be a battler, not another "youth player". If he can get a couple of the right kind in this week and we can somehow beat Arbroath next week, the Arbroath would be 9 adrift of us which would give us a bit of breathing space. However, if we lose, we are really in serious doo dah. In fact, a gubbing next week and I think Mcpake will be gone.
Great post ,we can`t compete with so many young inexperienced players, Also having so many players on loan ,we will soon have more loan players than signed players ,can`t remember a time thevpars have had so many loan players, this tells me there are bigger issues financially within the club ,I may be wrong
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Topic Originator: DNCH
Date: Sun 11 Feb 02:06
I like McPake and I`m, more so, tired of just giving up on managers. But he needs to show immediately why he`s understood to be a good manager. It makes you wonder why on the back of 2 crucial wins, Dundee rolled the dice on replacing him anyway?
What I will say is I`ve had some concerns about McPake`s ability to convince players to join us. It feels like every time there is a player linked with us they go elsewhere or it just doesn`t happen at all.
You can almost be left with the impression that the club`s short term ambition is to develop relationships with clubs in England/Wales in order to tap into a market where we might unearth a young star who can then be sold. That`s fair enough, and might be out with McPake`s control, but the ongoing radio silence from him, Cook and Meggle is jarring at this point. It doesn`t need to be a public statement but anything that will manage our expectations about what we`re trying to do this season would help.
I say let`s stick with him. He knows he needs a win against Arbroath and that might settle the nerves but if we lose than one too then the writing might be on the wall (assuming it isn`t already).
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 11 Feb 08:13
I think we’re all assuming lose against arbroath and mcpake will be away. Well that or we’ll have written this season off. We’ll get done by Hamilton in playoffs if 9th too.
If mcpake stays next season will be more of the same given contracts handed out.
Apart from the 2 from the old firm we’re seeing where constantly taking the cheap option or the old pals act has got us.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: CrossPar
Date: Sun 11 Feb 08:24
Quote:
Berkey, Sun 11 Feb 08:13
I think we’re all assuming lose against arbroath and mcpake will be away. Well that or we’ll have written this season off. We’ll get done by Hamilton in playoffs if 9th too.
If mcpake stays next season will be more of the same given contracts handed out.
Apart from the 2 from the old firm we’re seeing where constantly taking the cheap option or the old pals act has got us.
You forgot Fisher. He is decent.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Sun 11 Feb 08:26
I think that the top 5 in the championship and bottom 5 in the Premiership there is little difference in the teams. Likewise for the top 5 in League 1 and the bottom 5 in the championship. If we finish 9th there is no guarantee we won`t go down. The injuries we have had couldn`t have bèen predicted. We are where we are and we can only look forward. What is important is the actions we take now. We won`t finish 4th so I see the target as 5th to 8th. Its immaterial as long as we are not 9th. Can we achieve that- yes, are we capable of achieving that- yes but we need some experience. As Alan Hanson famously said, you will never win anything with kids. It`s doesn`t mean they are individually bad players, but collectively they don`t have the experience to get the response we need right now and it`s unfair to expect them to do so. It`s far to simplistic to blame the manager. It`s more complex than that.
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Sun 11 Feb 08:52
I don’t think we can use injuries to suggest we don’t critically look at his performance as a manager.
The question has to be asked, is he getting the maximum out of the resources available to him?
Is he setting up the team to best use the players he has?
Is he countering what the opposition have, how they set up and how the game is playing out?
Has he motivated the players to give it their all in training and during matches?
Are the team well coached so every one knows what runs they will be making, where players will be?
Is he recruiting well?
Before you even look at results, that’s the first things I’d consider and then finally, is he getting the results you’d expect?
I personally believe that the players we have available should be enough, if well managed and well coached to stay in the league. I’m not expecting to win the league but our performances have been poor, we’re wedded to a formation that clearly isn’t working and we don’t look like a well coached team which is evident in the goals we conceded and our lack of being able to fashion chances
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sun 11 Feb 08:57
Quote:
DBP, Sun 11 Feb 08:52
I don’t think we can use injuries to suggest we don’t critically look at his performance as a manager.
The question has to be asked, is he getting the maximum out of the resources available to him?
Is he setting up the team to best use the players he has?
Is he countering what the opposition have, how they set up and how the game is playing out?
Has he motivated the players to give it their all in training and during matches?
Are the team well coached so every one knows what runs they will be making, where players will be?
Is he recruiting well?
Before you even look at results, that’s the first things I’d consider and then finally, is he getting the results you’d expect?
I personally believe that the players we have available should be enough, if well managed and well coached to stay in the league. I’m not expecting to win the league but our performances have been poor, we’re wedded to a formation that clearly isn’t working and we don’t look like a well coached team which is evident in the goals we conceded and our lack of being able to fashion chances
The answer is no to all of them questions,
I`m afraid it looks like his coaching abilities are limited.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 11 Feb 09:14
5 out of the 11 that started yesterday started week 1 v Airdrie. Yes the injuries have been an issue but the issue wasn`t rectified in January. It either falls at mcpake or cooks desk either way it`s not good enough. The "performances" put in by players brought in to improve us or our senior players was no short of a disgrace and it has been for months. We don`t look like we have anyone big enough to stand up and be counted. Worrying indeed if we don`t beat Arbroath I think that 9th will be a let off.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 11 Feb 09:21
He either needed to stick to a formation and get players who can play in it or change formation to suit the players he has.
He’s done neither.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Sun 11 Feb 09:26
For any chance of us staying up, then yes he has to go. But we can’t afford to sack him so he’ll be going nowhere at all. If he doesn’t change formation then we’ll be finishing 10th
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Topic Originator: MinnesotaAndy
Date: Sun 11 Feb 09:43
No. I could well change my mind if we lose to Arbroath.
If one or two experienced players get brought in, this should make a difference.
IMO Otoo should play up front with McCann. You heard it here first :-)
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Topic Originator: sonofpetrie
Date: Sun 11 Feb 10:20
As I`ve mentioned before, it`s a symbiotic relationship. He doesn`t push too hard asking for players and the board do not offer. The board love this as it`s costing them very little compared to teams around us.
In answer to the original question, he needs to go. His absolute blind stubbornness when it comes to tactics has very little to do with what`s going on behind the scenes.
I have watched Dunfermline for nearly half a century so have seen them lose more than win. That`s not an issue as I`ll love them till the day I die. It`s the manner in which they lose that is eroding the support. If McPake cannot see the situation we`re in won`t be solved by having Chalmers floating around the middle of the park constantly passing back into danger and spending more time adjusting his socks and hair than tackling then he`s in the wrong job.
Can we also remember that when we had a "full squad" he benched Hamilton. The man who is now captain and played out of position with a broken cheekbone. I am not convinced that were we to have everyone back tomorrow he wouldn`t do the same thing and drop him to the bench again.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary"
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Topic Originator: NW 1966
Date: Sun 11 Feb 11:13
NO
Get in the sea with this gash.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sun 11 Feb 13:30
"The Germans have destroyed our club. Under them we have went from a top 4 club to one which has been relegated twice?"
It`s season 2003/2004 since we finished fourth in the top tier - a lot has gone down in those twenty years.
That ongoing position was unsustainable for reasons we all know about - evident in what followed three seasons later.
The two successive relegation seasons that followed promotion from the Championship 2010/11 were long before the Germans made an appearance.
Their involvement has co-incided with one play off relegation followed by an immediate promotion back to the Championship.
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Sun 11 Feb 13:35
I suspect he was meaning "top 4 championship".
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The universe is ruled by chance and indifference
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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar
Date: Sun 11 Feb 16:02
I certainly was Pars fan. I however have little faith in anyone who thinks that driving out Stevie C and Ross Mc then getting in the jokers who are now in charge. I know that McPake hasn`t been brilliant this season however 2 things have been against him. 1. The injuries and 2. The financial backing of the board. I heard no2 starting on the final day of last season, I was told that it was too expensive to keep Todorov, yet somehow Airdrie with a third of our support can afford his wage demands. Are we so strapped for money that all we can get in are youngsters.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 11 Feb 16:10
If we are `strapped for money` why did we turn out down a six-figure fee for Edwards? I`ve asked that question a few times on here and have yet to get an answer. And how are we going to finance the two loan deals McPake says we are trying to secure? People just believe what they want to believe regardless of the facts. It`s the thing I find most frustrating about this forum.
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Topic Originator: 1985Par
Date: Sun 11 Feb 16:10
Any player we have that can elevate us to as good or better than championship opponents has been crocked pretty much all season. Either crocked or recovering from being crocked. He’s been told to shop in the bargain basement to patch things up and the result is 0-5 and 0-3.
You can sack McPake and get someone else in but they’ll do no better until our key players get fit or the new guy gets some serious funds.
Players looked up for it yesterday- cannot question work rate and effort. The quality isn’t there.
Post Edited (Sun 11 Feb 16:15)
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Topic Originator: DJAS
Date: Sun 11 Feb 17:16
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 11 Feb 16:10
If we are `strapped for money` why did we turn out down a six-figure fee for Edwards? I`ve asked that question a few times on here and have yet to get an answer. And how are we going to finance the two loan deals McPake says we are trying to secure? People just believe what they want to believe regardless of the facts. It`s the thing I find most frustrating about this forum.
Was it confirmed by club that we did?
Predictor league winner 2012/2013
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 11 Feb 17:30
McPake was quoted in the press saying he was pleased the board didn`t accept the offer. There`s still an item on COWS under `News` about it.
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Sun 11 Feb 18:04
Quote:
DJAS, Sun 11 Feb 17:16
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 11 Feb 16:10
If we are `strapped for money` why did we turn out down a six-figure fee for Edwards? I`ve asked that question a few times on here and have yet to get an answer. And how are we going to finance the two loan deals McPake says we are trying to secure? People just believe what they want to believe regardless of the facts. It`s the thing I find most frustrating about this forum.
Was it confirmed by club that we did?
Yes.
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Sun 11 Feb 18:14
Quote:
DBA, Sun 11 Feb 18:04
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DJAS, Sun 11 Feb 17:16
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 11 Feb 16:10
If we are `strapped for money` why did we turn out down a six-figure fee for Edwards? I`ve asked that question a few times on here and have yet to get an answer. And how are we going to finance the two loan deals McPake says we are trying to secure? People just believe what they want to believe regardless of the facts. It`s the thing I find most frustrating about this forum.
Was it confirmed by club that we did?
Yes.
Maybe the board knowing they have cut the managers war chest to sign players in the summer and January, thought Edwards and some inexperienced youngsters could be the players to keep us up , unfortunately, if that was the thinking, they have been proved spectacularly wrong .
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 11 Feb 18:19
`Maybe..., if...,`. Aye right.
That just illustrates the point I was making about people just believing what they want to believe.
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Sun 11 Feb 18:23
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 11 Feb 18:19
`Maybe..., if...,`. Aye right.
That just illustrates the point I was making about people just believing what they want to believe.
Where did I say I believed it, the clue word was maybe
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 11 Feb 18:36
Why even speculate if you don`t know the facts? The default setting of so many on here is that the board aren`t supporting the manager`s signing plans. McPake has never even hinted that that is the case.
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Topic Originator: LEGEND85
Date: Sun 11 Feb 18:47
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 11 Feb 18:36
Why even speculate if you don`t know the facts? The default setting of so many on here is that the board aren`t supporting the manager`s signing plans. McPake has never even hinted that that is the case.
Would be strange if McPake did decide to have a go at the folk who employ him with regards to the lack of decent signings.
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Sun 11 Feb 18:54
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 11 Feb 18:36
Why even speculate if you don`t know the facts? The default setting of so many on here is that the board aren`t supporting the manager`s signing plans. McPake has never even hinted that that is the case.
Either the board have fully backed Mcpake and he`s totally wasted the money given to him, by resigning players who are not good enough for the top half of the championship, and wasting money on poor loan signings , or he`s been hamstrung by the board in his signings , hence our lamentable football and league position .
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 11 Feb 18:56
You can make a judgement when you hear him comment on any transfer issues. You`re falling into the same trap. If what someone says doesn`t fit your interpretation you just say it`s `fake news`. It happens all the time in politics and now it`s infected football, mainly because of the influence of social media.
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Sun 11 Feb 19:17
What is not fake is the level of entertainment and football this season and most of last has not been good enough . Mcpake got pass marks for getting us promoted, after being lumbered with the players from the league above on 2 year deals , to give some of those players further deals , has been proven to be wrong .
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 11 Feb 19:30
That`s a different argument.
If he`s still hoping to bring in loan signings then the board must still be supporting him financially and the next week or so will tell us if he`s telling porkies.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 11 Feb 19:33
I will say again - whos to say that players actually WANT to join us?
We have a generally big fan base, but a part of that fan base is toxic. If a player isn’t performing to their standards they get absolute dogs abuse. We single out a player/2 players after 1 game of the season as a scape goat. Lose a goal and half the crowd turns instantly. Our “ultras” continually break rules regarding pyros/objects being thrown. They didn’t even bother showing up yesterday….EEP was like a graveyard yesterday!
Managers don’t get support from the board. Players talk - maybe some of our current squad are unhappy and told potential suitors this?
Financially we probably aren’t offering big money due to having so much wrapped up in injuries. So offering a pittance in comparison. Why would you sign for a small fee for a club looking destined for the drop? Career suicide!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 11 Feb 19:43
Loanees continue to be paid by their own club do they not? The loanee club makes a contribution to their wages. There won`t be any financial negotiations between the player and the loanee club.
There are all sorts of theories about why players don`t sign and why signings haven`t happened earlier. I can understand that certain players only become available towards the end of the window when their clubs are sure they are surplus to requirements.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 11 Feb 19:50
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 11 Feb 19:43
Loanees continue to be paid by their own club do they not? The loanee club makes a contribution to their wages. There won`t be any financial negotiations between the player and the loanee club.
There are all sorts of theories about why players don`t sign and why signings haven`t happened earlier. I can understand that certain players only become available towards the end of the window when their clubs are sure they are surplus to requirements.
Its all different in terms of wages - some will be paid in full by either club or the clubs will share it. I highly doubt we got the four from England for no wages - most likely we are paying over 50% and they wont be on small wages.
Either way, it cuts into the budget especially if they aren’t good enough…
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Sun 11 Feb 19:58
Hopefully we get someone in the Rutkiewcz and Hardie ilk and not a Polworth or Lawless type !
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"People always talk about Ronaldinho and magic, but I didn't see him today. I saw Henrik Larsson; that's where the magic was."
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 11 Feb 20:19
Quote:
TAFKA_Super_Petrie, Sun 11 Feb 19:58
Hopefully we get someone in the Rutkiewcz and Hardie ilk and not a Polworth or Lawless type !
Aye those two useless players playing regularly in the Prem and top 3 in Champ 🙄😂
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 11 Feb 21:31
Polworth and lawless would be massive upgrades.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: 87Par
Date: Sun 11 Feb 22:22
Getting back to the question of this thread. McPake in for me. We are going through a torrid spell we were doing fine up to mid December and yes it is February now but games have been postponed etc. Injuries have came to a major crescendo and its now showing. I agree the transfer window should have been better and I also would like to know why we are not in the running for some players even when interest has been shown.
I actually found James` interview after yesterday quite spirited compared to the last couple. He`s a young manager and I think he`s carried himself well overall. He trusts in the players just a couple of tweaks and breaks is all we need. Aswell as him opting to change things. Anyone suggesting he sounds like that jester John Hughes clearly wasn`t there the season we went down.
I`d urge anyone to take a wee look at our games last season on ParsTV YouTube. The togetherness, the fight, the fans etc. Yes it may have been against postmen etc but he had his reasons for sticking by the ones that are here. Now here we are. Being a Pars Fan is a tough gig sometimes but I`m confident we`ll ride out this storm.
Post Edited (Mon 12 Feb 01:02)
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Sun 11 Feb 22:29
McPake in for me as I think our board/ general manager have had to make decisions based on saving money/academy build etc so the manager can only work with what he has.
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sun 11 Feb 23:03
McPake in for me. Sure things aren`t going the way we want, but until the game away to Queens Park, we were being competitive. It`s been a bad few weeks, but I think he can turn it round.
Not long ago since we were 4th and had a great team spirit. The injuries have decimated the squad, and they have been running on empty for months now.
You can only p with the c yuv goat, so I think we need to get behind the manager and the team
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Topic Originator: Gusmcpherson
Date: Sun 11 Feb 23:11
Should go for saying ‘we won’t go down’ like that’s some sort of flex!
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Topic Originator: 87Par
Date: Sun 11 Feb 23:20
In addition, our biggest loss this season without doubt has been Bene. We desperately need him back.
No CB we bring in will replace him. He`s mouthy, he`s an organiser, he steps up and he`s solid.
McPake must be desperate for the spine of the team to come back but he`s never moaned once in interviews infact all he has done is praise the treatment and ongoing rehabilitation the players have received.
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Topic Originator: Toumba Libre
Date: Sun 11 Feb 23:22
Some of you fools have forgotten that we have had unreal levels of injuries. But on you go, boo the team and rinse and repeat. Booing the team has always helped
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Topic Originator: 87Par
Date: Sun 11 Feb 23:22
Quote:
Gusmcpherson, Sun 11 Feb 23:11
Should go for saying ‘we won’t go down’ like that’s some sort of flex!
Some sort of flex? Eh? Enlighten an auld yin like me.
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Topic Originator: Toumba Libre
Date: Sun 11 Feb 23:27
Post Edited (Sun 11 Feb 23:29)
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Topic Originator: Toumba Libre
Date: Sun 11 Feb 23:27
The shouts against the board are equally as funny as the folk trying to explain how they should splash the cash because shipping cost have gone up 😂
Clearly highlighting how little you understand of logistics after reading a daily mail headline/article.
Never mind them saying they wouldn’t chuck milions at the team
Post Edited (Sun 11 Feb 23:28)
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Topic Originator: 87Par
Date: Mon 12 Feb 00:48
https://youtu.be/fw1BadknHRg?si=WMrtI2Rc0cjrfeCW
Not sure if that link will work. But it's worth the watch. Especially now.
Post Edited (Mon 12 Feb 01:04)
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Topic Originator: Toumba Libre
Date: Mon 12 Feb 01:12
Quote:
SergioDuarte, Sun 11 Feb 16:05
The deal offered to the likes of Dave Witherspoon was an absolute embarrassment and completely in line with the sinister running of the club from Der Krauts .
If the poster is serious then l hope you get the help you need. All the best man
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Topic Originator: 87Par
Date: Mon 12 Feb 01:18
Quote:
Toumba Libre, Mon 12 Feb 01:12
Quote:
SergioDuarte, Sun 11 Feb 16:05
The deal offered to the likes of Dave Witherspoon was an absolute embarrassment and completely in line with the sinister running of the club from Der Krauts .
If the poster is serious then l hope you get the help you need. All the best man
Usual slinging of words with no actual back up pal. You talk my language
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Topic Originator: Toumba Libre
Date: Mon 12 Feb 01:30
Quote:
87Par, Mon 12 Feb 01:18
Quote:
Toumba Libre, Mon 12 Feb 01:12
Quote:
SergioDuarte, Sun 11 Feb 16:05
The deal offered to the likes of Dave Witherspoon was an absolute embarrassment and completely in line with the sinister running of the club from Der Krauts .
If the poster is serious then l hope you get the help you need. All the best man
Usual slinging of words with no actual back up pal. You talk my language
“Sinister”.. haha show me your back up “pal”
The only thing sinister is the sh1t aimed at these people. Sling some words with actual facts and meaning “pal”
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Topic Originator: 87Par
Date: Mon 12 Feb 01:40
Quote:
Toumba Libre, Mon 12 Feb 01:30
Quote:
87Par, Mon 12 Feb 01:18
Quote:
Toumba Libre, Mon 12 Feb 01:12
Quote:
SergioDuarte, Sun 11 Feb 16:05
The deal offered to the likes of Dave Witherspoon was an absolute embarrassment and completely in line with the sinister running of the club from Der Krauts .
If the poster is serious then l hope you get the help you need. All the best man
Usual slinging of words with no actual back up pal. You talk my language
“Sinister”.. haha show me your back up “pal”
The only thing sinister is the sh1t aimed at these people. Sling some words with actual facts and meaning “pal”
I`m on your side. I was in agreement with you.
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Topic Originator: 87Par
Date: Mon 12 Feb 09:52
Quote:
SergioDuarte, Sun 11 Feb 16:05
The deal offered to the likes of Dave Witherspoon was an absolute embarrassment and completely in line with the sinister running of the club from Der Krauts .
Ok. And do you know why the club wouldn`t get bent out of shape for Wetherspoon?
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Topic Originator: 87Par
Date: Mon 12 Feb 10:00
Quote:
87Par, Mon 12 Feb 09:52
Quote:
SergioDuarte, Sun 11 Feb 16:05
The deal offered to the likes of Dave Witherspoon was an absolute embarrassment and completely in line with the sinister running of the club from Der Krauts .
Ok. And do you know why the club wouldn`t get bent out of shape for Wetherspoon?
I`ve an idea. Could be a hunch. He went up to Inverness cos they were daft enough to give his wage demands. And then guess what he popped back down the A9 when there was an extra 0 on offer. For an experienced player. Yeah. He`s a player indeed. Fine line between people who are actually at the club for career or just cos they ave some sort of name in the game. Our relegation season. Take a swatch at the names. Couple in there are somehow doing not bad at all at their clubs. I wonder why eh . I do question how our transfer window has panned out but at the same time I don't want people at my football team thinking their name is above DAFC.
Post Edited (Mon 12 Feb 10:09)
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Topic Originator: DJAS
Date: Mon 12 Feb 11:02
Quote:
87Par, Mon 12 Feb 10:00
Quote:
87Par, Mon 12 Feb 09:52
Quote:
SergioDuarte, Sun 11 Feb 16:05
The deal offered to the likes of Dave Witherspoon was an absolute embarrassment and completely in line with the sinister running of the club from Der Krauts .
Ok. And do you know why the club wouldn`t get bent out of shape for Wetherspoon?
I`ve an idea. Could be a hunch. He went up to Inverness cos they were daft enough to give his wage demands. And then guess what he popped back down the A9 when there was an extra 0 on offer. For an experienced player. Yeah. He`s a player indeed. Fine line between people who are actually at the club for career or just cos they ave some sort of name in the game. Our relegation season. Take a swatch at the names. Couple in there are somehow doing not bad at all at their clubs. I wonder why eh . I do question how our transfer window has panned out but at the same time I don`t want people at my football team thinking their name is above DAFC.
He went to Inverness for less than we offered. The reason he went there was there was no other offers by that time. He turned us down as he was told by his agent he would get him more somewhere else. The move to United albeit was more than Inverness but was more to do with his home life. In his words he should have took our offer.
Predictor league winner 2012/2013
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Mon 12 Feb 18:58
Quote:
SergioDuarte, Sun 11 Feb 16:05
The deal offered to the likes of Dave Witherspoon was an absolute embarrassment and completely in line with the sinister running of the club from Der Krauts .
Hate this post. Grow up.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 12 Feb 19:57
Quote:
87Par, Sun 11 Feb 22:22
Getting back to the question of this thread. McPake in for me. We are going through a torrid spell we were doing fine up to mid December and yes it is February now but games have been postponed etc. Injuries have came to a major crescendo and its now showing. I agree the transfer window should have been better and I also would like to know why we are not in the running for some players even when interest has been shown.
I actually found James` interview after yesterday quite spirited compared to the last couple. He`s a young manager and I think he`s carried himself well overall. He trusts in the players just a couple of tweaks and breaks is all we need. Aswell as him opting to change things. Anyone suggesting he sounds like that jester John Hughes clearly wasn`t there the season we went down.
I`d urge anyone to take a wee look at our games last season on ParsTV YouTube. The togetherness, the fight, the fans etc. Yes it may have been against postmen etc but he had his reasons for sticking by the ones that are here. Now here we are. Being a Pars Fan is a tough gig sometimes but I`m confident we`ll ride out this storm.
Good post 87.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: thebear
Date: Tue 13 Feb 00:20
Massive c*ck up in the closed season, too much loyalty, holding to toomany poor players and not getting quality, not sure who`s to blame but must in part be the manager.
But don`t get rid of him, best chance to hang on and then flourish
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Topic Originator: Football_Par
Date: Mon 4 Mar 08:57
where is all the Mcpake out brigade ?
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Topic Originator: Parsweep
Date: Mon 4 Mar 09:01
Do we really need to resurrect threads that cause so much rancour.
Seems like folk just wanting to stir up more arguments.
Bobvo
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Mon 4 Mar 09:21
Quote:
Football_Par, Mon 4 Mar 08:57
where is all the Mcpake out brigade ?
I`m pleased he`s got the recent run of results, hopefully the squad kicks on and has a strong finish. His remit was to stay in the league. Hopefully we achieve it
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 4 Mar 09:39
Quote:
Parsweep, Mon 4 Mar 09:01
Do we really need to resurrect threads that cause so much rancour.
Seems like folk just wanting to stir up more arguments.
Because people on here cant accept other peoples opinions and seem to think that football opinions don’t change on a weekly basis.
We could still go up, we could still be relegated, its that simple. He could have been out a job 3/4 weeks ago, he could be a hero by the end of the season, nobody has future sight so nobody knows the final outcome.
What some folk need to do though is not try stir up **** and try the “I told you so” p!sh that makes this forum embarrassing at times 😃
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Mon 4 Mar 11:07
Quote:
Dave_1885, Mon 4 Mar 09:39
Quote:
Parsweep, Mon 4 Mar 09:01
Do we really need to resurrect threads that cause so much rancour.
Seems like folk just wanting to stir up more arguments.
Because people on here cant accept other peoples opinions and seem to think that football opinions don’t change on a weekly basis.
We could still go up, we could still be relegated, its that simple. He could have been out a job 3/4 weeks ago, he could be a hero by the end of the season, nobody has future sight so nobody knows the final outcome.
What some folk need to do though is not try stir up **** and try the “I told you so” p!sh that makes this forum embarrassing at times 😃
I think they can accept other people`s opinions. They are just annoyed that certain posters over a considerable length of time only ever appear to assassinate people whose shoes they are not fit to lace.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 4 Mar 11:25
I think the lesson of the last few weeks is to ca` canny with the criticism when things aren`t going as well as we hoped they would. Patience is a virtue and in football the situation can change very quickly. The nature of this League means our fate isn`t likely to be decided until quite late in the season.
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Topic Originator: theparsman1885
Date: Mon 4 Mar 15:37
Surprised (or not) that the casual anti German sentiment has been allowed to stay posted. Which is indeed ironic considering only half the consortium are actually German.
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Topic Originator: par58
Date: Mon 4 Mar 16:05
Drop this thread, it is ,and always was disgraceful.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 4 Mar 16:38
Quote:
par58, Mon 4 Mar 16:05
Drop this thread, it is ,and always was disgraceful.
No, it isn’t. Whats “disgraceful” is people arguing and trying to deny folk opinions because it doesn’t fit in line with theirs.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Mon 4 Mar 17:05
It’s a fickle thing football, mcpake has shuffled the pack to remove ineffective players and tried a different tactic and formation and it appears to have helped us turn a corner. Wasn’t this what most of us were crying out that we needed?
Yes it took a longer then perhaps it should have but we are where we are. It wasn’t always about injuries either as Fenton could have played to allow otoo to move forward etc. guess there’s an arguement for the time taken to get Kane in though to allow us to play the way we currently are.
We’re no where near safe of 9th yet and with some massive games to come.
Post Edited (Mon 04 Mar 17:06)
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Mon 4 Mar 17:19
As has been made plain elsewhere, we are more than 1 million in debt. Those who have been calling for the signing of new, experienced and proven players and change of manager, should also now back that up by indicating where the money is coming from, or in the off chance that they themselves may be have access to such funds, presently write ✍️ a check for said amount to bring about their desired changes.
Failing that, they should save their breath because it`s never going to happen.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Mon 4 Mar 17:36
We`re not really £1m in debt, though.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
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Post Edited (Mon 04 Mar 17:38)
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Mon 4 Mar 17:36
I agree with Berkeley…
We are currently 2 points ahead of 9th shoot with a worse goal difference
Delighted Mckape had tweaked things and it looks like we’ve turned a corner, but I think the ‘told you so brigade’ should really keep there powder dry because the relegation battle is tighter than a crabs erse and as of today, we’re right in amongst it!
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 4 Mar 17:39
Quote:
Paralex, Mon 4 Mar 17:19
As has been made plain elsewhere, we are more than 1 million in debt. Those who have been calling for the signing of new, experienced and proven players and change of manager, should also now back that up by indicating where the money is coming from, or in the off chance that they themselves may be have access to such funds, presently write ✍️ a check for said amount to bring about their desired changes.
Failing that, they should save their breath because it`s never going to happen.
You use the excuse of being a million in debt (which nobody actually knows as its been 11 months since those accounts were filed) and ask where the money is coming from but we have turned down a 6 figure bid for a player and brought in numerous loans last month……Berkey has a point where people were also looking for change - formation, personal, tactics….thankfully that appears to have happened recently looking at the upturn of results, but at the time it looked ominous that McPake was not looking like a good fit anymore.
Opinions can change in football, just like form and results. Problem is too many people think their opinion is right and thats that. No respect for other points or reasoning, and always seen as negativity/abusive etc.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 4 Mar 18:00
Is it really realistic to expect a team to be clear of relegation with 10 games still to play in a 10-team league? On that basis there are at least 6 managers whose jobs are on the line.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Mon 4 Mar 18:16
Not really - given Inverness, Arbroath, Ayr and Queens Park have all sacked a manager already.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
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Topic Originator: par58
Date: Mon 4 Mar 18:17
Quote:
Dave_1885, Mon 04 Mar 16:38
Quote:
par58, Mon 4 Mar 16:05
Drop this thread, it is ,and always was disgraceful.
No, it isn’t. Whats “disgraceful” is people arguing and trying to deny folk opinions because it doesn’t fit in line with theirs.
I rest my case!!!
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Mon 4 Mar 18:50
I think that we have turned a corner both in terms of injuries and the players who have come in. I`m pretty sure JM new what tge issues were and it takes time and patience to get things over the line. I think it it`s not important what other people think or believe of you more what you think and believe about yourself. He got us out of league 1 with flying colours and personally I have no doubt he will keep us up. A playoff spot will be a bonus but all said and done if we stay up it will be a successful season.
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Mon 4 Mar 18:54
Quote:
Indiapar, Mon 4 Mar 18:50
I think that we have turned a corner both in terms of injuries and the players who have come in. I`m pretty sure JM new what tge issues were and it takes time and patience to get things over the line. I think it it`s not important what other people think or believe of you more what you think and believe about yourself. He got us out of league 1 with flying colours and personally I have no doubt he will keep us up. A playoff spot will be a bonus but all said and done if we stay up it will be a successful season.
I think we have a young management team and they are like players they need time to learn and improve. If we confirm our place in this league and he gets the backing for the players he identifies, then I think we will become stronger
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Tue 5 Mar 11:28
Quote:
Dave_1885, Mon 4 Mar 17:39
Quote:
Paralex, Mon 4 Mar 17:19
As has been made plain elsewhere, we are more than 1 million in debt. Those who have been calling for the signing of new, experienced and proven players and change of manager, should also now back that up by indicating where the money is coming from, or in the off chance that they themselves may be have access to such funds, presently write ✍️ a check for said amount to bring about their desired changes.
Failing that, they should save their breath because it`s never going to happen.
You use the excuse of being a million in debt (which nobody actually knows as its been 11 months since those accounts were filed) and ask where the money is coming from but we have turned down a 6 figure bid for a player and brought in numerous loans last month……Berkey has a point where people were also looking for change - formation, personal, tactics….thankfully that appears to have happened recently looking at the upturn of results, but at the time it looked ominous that McPake was not looking like a good fit anymore.
Opinions can change in football, just like form and results. Problem is too many people think their opinion is right and thats that. No respect for other points or reasoning, and always seen as negativity/abusive etc.
McPake never at any time looked like a bad fit.
That was just the opinion of the now silent minority.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Tue 5 Mar 12:16
As I said above, I`m pleased he has managed to get results in the last 4 games,
That said, in a results based business, he was struggling to get results. Hopefully, he and the squad have turned a corner and can finish strong. It was nearly time to pull the trigger.
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Topic Originator: RossF
Date: Tue 5 Mar 12:38
I’ll put my hands up and admit I thought his time was up after we had not won in 9 and conceded 9 goals in 3 games at East End. I think fans from most clubs would have been wanting change if they suffered like us.
I never thought I would think that after last season, but his stubbornness to stick with three at the back was what I thought would be his downfall. Since tweaking the tactics, we look much better and he deserves credit for that.
We’re not out the woods yet though and I would still out tonight down as a must win. We need to do all we can to clear ourselves from danger and the two games afterwards are against the top two.
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Tue 5 Mar 12:54
there is no "magic formula". Lets ditch manager and go for a Tried and tested manager (John hughes/Neil Warnock). The "successful"/"overachieving" managers in the league are relativley young/new/inexperienced like Kris Doolan (54 games as a manager) Dougie Imrie (100 games as a manager), Rhys Mccabe (84 games)
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Tue 5 Mar 13:36
If it wasn`t for the amount of injuries forcing his hand you might be right. But because of the injuries he was never in any danger.
In fact. If it wasn't for the injuries we wouldn't even be discussing this.
Post Edited (Tue 05 Mar 13:37)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 5 Mar 13:43
To call tonight`s game a `must win` is crazy with 9 games to go, especially after what happened in the last 4 games. Is it a `must win` for Airdrie too? The fact that our next two games are against Raith and United is irrelevant. Neither is unbeatable and it means we have an easier run-in than our rivals.
Why do so many fans imagine the worst case scenario and are convinced it`s going to happen? McPake says he doesn`t look at the table and won`t do so until there are two or three games to go. It`s hard for fans to believe that but I can see the sense of it. All that matters to managers and players is the next game.
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Tue 5 Mar 14:40
Quote:
PARrot, Tue 5 Mar 13:36
If it wasn`t for the amount of injuries forcing his hand you might be right. But because of the injuries he was never in any danger.
In fact. If it wasn`t for the injuries we wouldn`t even be discussing this.
Yes we would due ,what some fans see as pretty poor recruitment decisions, both acquisitions and retaining of certain players , and were 2 points from 9th.
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Topic Originator: RossF
Date: Tue 5 Mar 15:04
I wouldn’t say it’s crazy. It’s crucial that we defeat or (avoid defeat) against the teams round about us as they’re all picking up points and we can’t afford to be the ones to drop them, especially at home. Hopefully we can manage. As for Airdrie, with all due respect I don’t care about what’s a must win for them. My full focus is on us.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 5 Mar 15:32
Well, you`ve just re-classified it from a `must win` to a `must not lose`. How will you feel tomorrow if we lose? Write off the rest of the season?
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Tue 5 Mar 15:41
Biggest game of the season so far.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Tue 5 Mar 17:46
The nature of this league is that they are all big games. This is given the fact that there are so few games left, so recovery options are limited. The teams around us will drop points, so I don`t feel it's a must win game. I think it`s important to put in a good performance and the result will follow.
You can't take an objective view on JM given the circumstances around the season. I think it has taken a bit of time for some of the summer signings to get up to speed, but that is down to injuries and inexperienced younger players who need time to adjust. I'm always about the long term and I see us going in the right direction. A few hiccups along the way for sure but that's life. Nothing is certain. I think JM and the team are doing a good job. It's about expectation. If we finish 5th this season I think many would have taken that at the start. For me JM's position is not in doubt. Its the mistakes of the past that cause today's issues not JM
Post Edited (Tue 05 Mar 18:06)
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Topic Originator: cfad
Date: Tue 5 Mar 17:58
Most fans are too short sighted and knee jerk, one way or the other. Having a settled management for any club needs a longer term view, and if we believe that we have the right people with the right skill set, we need to hold our nerve over a longer period. If we keep swapping out every 2 years, we’ll get nowhere longer term.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Tue 5 Mar 18:01
Quote:
saltonsgonagetu, Tue 5 Mar 14:40
Quote:
PARrot, Tue 5 Mar 13:36
If it wasn`t for the amount of injuries forcing his hand you might be right. But because of the injuries he was never in any danger.
In fact. If it wasn`t for the injuries we wouldn`t even be discussing this.
Yes we would due ,what some fans see as pretty poor recruitment decisions, both acquisitions and retaining of certain players , and were 2 points from 9th.
Joined up thinking, isn`t your thing, is it?
Without the injuries, we would not have been two points from 9th, and some of the recruiting wouldn`t have been required.
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Topic Originator: Parsfangaz
Date: Tue 5 Mar 18:07
Quote:
PARrot, Tue 5 Mar 13:36
If it wasn`t for the amount of injuries forcing his hand you might be right. But because of the injuries he was never in any danger.
In fact. If it wasn`t for the injuries we wouldn`t even be discussing this.
Parsfannygaz Agrees with this 🤣👍🏻
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Topic Originator: RossF
Date: Tue 5 Mar 18:37
A tad dramatic there wee eck…Of course not but it brings back the worry should we lose. A draw is not a complete disaster but it would be disappointing, as we’re home team. As I said earlier, with the two games coming up a win tonight is very important since we’re going to be massive underdogs in the next two games. I’m not saying we have no chance, but very few will expect 4 or 6 points against Raith and Utd (although it would be incredible if we did come away with that.)
We’re running out of games now and games like tonight against teams on the same points as us become crucial. It would be great to be in a position where we’re not worrying about the relegation playoffs with 3-4 games to go.
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Topic Originator: EastEndTales
Date: Tue 5 Mar 18:45
I was out after QP. A run of crap games and then two utter pumpings. Then Arbroath at home whom we couldn`t best despite a hefty injury list too.
Was I trigger happy? Maybe. We`ve turned the corner a bit and I think change would be bloody mental right now, but nobody could be blamed for having had enough after those games
Ep.17 of East End Tales is out now with Andrius Skerla
https://www.buzzsprout.com/1972630/15082607
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Tue 5 Mar 18:49
Act in haste
Repent in League One
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The universe is ruled by chance and indifference
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Topic Originator: The Boss
Date: Sat 9 Mar 17:48
Still out. Clueless.
I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 9 Mar 17:53
Quote:
The Boss, Sat 9 Mar 17:48
Still out. Clueless.
Injuries cost us today, not the formation or tactics or subs….
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Topic Originator: The Boss
Date: Sat 9 Mar 18:01
Quote:
Dave_1885, Sat 09 Mar 17:53
Quote:
The Boss, Sat 9 Mar 17:48
Still out. Clueless.
Injuries cost us today, not the formation or tactics or subs….
Signings cost us today. Recruitment is shocking.
I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 9 Mar 18:04
Not convinced injuries cost us today. He signed jakubiak to play as a striker, if he can’t finish his dinner that’s on mcpake, same with McCann who was meh even last season at a lower level, today it came down to not having quality where it counted. That’s on mcpake.
I’m not a mcpake out, I’m ambivalent as who else out is there and who else is going to improve those signed up for next year? Mcpake has already shafted himself for next season if we do stay up with the contracts offered to experienced pro’s who will be on starter wages but benchwarmer abilities.
He’ll have learned a lot in the transfer market this season…players you have previously worked with guarantees nothing and that includes those from last season.
Post Edited (Sat 09 Mar 18:18)
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Topic Originator: Row_ZZ
Date: Sat 9 Mar 18:17
Lot of anger towards McPake today at that. First I`ve heard it at such high levels. I`m quite "meh" tbh. We have had a sh*t season, and I`m used to this kind of crap by now. Not sure changing the manager would yield anything positive anyway. We did alright today. Raith defended extremely well, and their goallie pulls off an incredible save. We totally collapse for their goals in a game we dominate. Not sure much else McPake could have done about that but the Otoo sub is a headscratcher.
"A smile might be good!"
"Nothing to smile about in my life"
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 9 Mar 19:11
I think you sum up the game very well, Row ZZ. As regards the transfer window I think MFW has been a find (whom McPake worked with before of course), Kane was a miss today and MWH looks a decent replacement for Comrie.
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Topic Originator: EastEndTales
Date: Sat 9 Mar 19:15
Quote:
wee eck, Sat 9 Mar 19:11
I think you sum up the game very well, Row ZZ. As regards the transfer window I think MFW has been a find (whom McPake worked with before of course), Kane was a miss today and MWH looks a decent replacement for Comrie.
He made a bloody good opening door for the 2nd goal today
Ep.17 of East End Tales is out now with Andrius Skerla
https://www.buzzsprout.com/1972630/15082607
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Topic Originator: par58
Date: Sat 9 Mar 22:43
Poor team selection and bizarre substitutions against an average and agricultural team. The management and Owners need to reassess their aims, as they are in grave danger of being accused of taking the fans for granted. Academy’s are all well and good but the needs of the fans are paramount. As in football in general the paying supporters are being marginalised and no more so than at Dunfermline.
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Sat 9 Mar 22:50
No point changing manager, stick with him until the end of the season. Cook needs to step out the shadows, he’s at the forefront of the recruitment disaster.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 9 Mar 22:52
You can hardly say Raith are average when they are second top of the league and have been pretty consistent all season. They may not be the most attractive side but they manage to get results.
I can`t say I feel taken for granted. There are no guarantees in football and you have to expect bumps in the road. It`s easy to forget the cumulative effect of the injuries we have had. I`ve been following the Pars for over 60 years and I`d say it`s unprecedented.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 9 Mar 22:55
How can Cook be `in the shadows` and `at the forefront` ?!!!
After a couple of defeats we`re back to the old conspiracy theories about the recruitment process with no hard evidence about how it works.
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Topic Originator: par58
Date: Sat 9 Mar 23:02
Quote:
wee eck, Sat 09 Mar 22:52
You can hardly say Raith are average when they are second top of the league and have been pretty consistent all season. They may not be the most attractive side but they manage to get results.
I can`t say I feel taken for granted. There are no guarantees in football and you have to expect bumps in the road. It`s easy to forget the cumulative effect of the injuries we have had. I`ve been following the Pars for over 60 years and I`d say it`s unprecedented.
I’ve been supporting DAFC for nigh on 40 years as well. But recently I have genuinely felt short changed by the DAFC Ownership about their aims for the club. Injuries aside the recruitment has been poor at best. Academy’s are all well and good but we have lost 5 times against the wee team this season, the Owners need to be well aware of this and how the supporters feel. Statements about fair play and sportsmanship are all great however PC but don’t cut any ice with the fans.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 9 Mar 23:13
The Academy or Training Centre is the subject of a separate thread.
I`m quite sure everyone connected with the club is just as disappointed as the fans with the team`s record against the Rovers this season. It would be weird if they weren`t.
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Sat 9 Mar 23:14
Stick with Mcpake till end of the season and then get rid id say, the squad he’s assembled is shocking tbh minus a few
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Topic Originator: 87Par
Date: Sun 10 Mar 00:21
From what i have seen Raith are opportunistic. We were the football team on that pitch today. Not them. They`re goals came from our lapses. McPake sounded big time raging post match. We need to get direct and take it to teams. We are more than capable.
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Topic Originator: par_33
Date: Sun 10 Mar 10:32
All I’m saying is I’m just really surprised the players haven’t chucked Mcpake completely under the bus yet. I’ve heard some of the goings on behind the scenes and it’s only a matter of time until they do. Attitude stinks and he looks to pass the blame whenever he can. Step up and take responsibility for the same old dross you are setting up every week you clown.
It stinks of his spell at Dundee all over again.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 10 Mar 10:55
Plenty of fans gave him the benefit of the doubt with the squad he inherited. That being said he signed jokers like Mehmet, wighton, McCann and Chalmers to new deals couple that with bringing in Holmes who has never looked good enough has unfortunately reflected in our performances. Losing goals and not scoring much.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Kozmano1
Date: Sun 10 Mar 11:00
It’s a yes for me. Taking Otto off when we were on the front foot, summed it up for me yesterday. Then it turned into a different game. 2 wins in 13 games is sackable material, and the brass neck coming up to the fans clapping at the end. It’s the first time I’ve heard large calls to him to go!.
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Topic Originator: EastEndTales
Date: Sun 10 Mar 11:01
Out so far out.
Absolutely no clue what he`s doing.
No team cohesion. Stubbornly used and failed 3 at the back.
Little or no goal threat.
Few goals.
A goalie with more leaks than a sieve.
Baffling substitutions.
No accountability.
The owners should shoulder the bill and pay him and his team off end of season regardless if we stay up or not.
Ep.17 of East End Tales is out now with Andrius Skerla
https://www.buzzsprout.com/1972630/15082607
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Topic Originator: par-91
Date: Sun 10 Mar 11:02
Under Hughes - played 23.
1.14 points per game. 1.09 goals scored per game. 1.32 goals conceded per game.
Under McPake - played 28
1.14 points per game. 1.07 goals scored per game. 1.36 goals conceded per game.
Yes, there have been other circumstances to consider with injuries etc. but I think McPake has been in charge when every player here signed their current contract? So everyone on that pitch every week has been deemed good enough for that contract by McPake. The last 3 months, seeing the determination/stubbornness from McPake to force players into a shape that isn’t working and doesn’t suit them is painful. First sign of a poor performance with a back 4 and he’s immediately going to a system that’s proven to not work with this group of players, with a number of them playing out of position. We also create absolutely nothing in this back 3 system, regardless of personnel in attacking roles. But the manager seems to love it and will keep going back to it and just expect things to be different for some reason.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 10 Mar 12:16
The biggest problem is that there is no other manager around who is going to get more out of chalmers, wighton, o’hallaran, McCann, mehmet.
This leaves the next guy or mcpake fighting an uphill battle next season as it is unless we abandon some of these young raw loans and sign better experienced players which means a very experienced bench full of relative high earners next year.
Fear is it’s a struggle for the foreseeable unless somehow we can get some of these guys to leave or loan them out etc.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 10 Mar 12:22
Quote:
Berkey, Sun 10 Mar 12:16
The biggest problem is that there is no other manager around who is going to get more out of chalmers, wighton, o’hallaran, McCann, mehmet.
This leaves the next guy or mcpake fighting an uphill battle next season as it is unless we abandon some of these young raw loans and sign better experienced players which means a very experienced bench full of relative high earners next year.
Fear is it’s a struggle for the foreseeable unless somehow we can get some of these guys to leave or loan them out etc.
I can`t see anyone wanting the players mentioned above.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 10 Mar 12:26
Your trade-mark apocalyptic post, Berkey. Let`s imagine another scenario. Maybe Bene, Todd, KRH and Fisher/Breen stay virtually injury-free and we`re able to build a decent side around them.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 10 Mar 13:04
Quote:
par_33, Sun 10 Mar 10:32
All I’m saying is I’m just really surprised the players haven’t chucked Mcpake completely under the bus yet. I’ve heard some of the goings on behind the scenes and it’s only a matter of time until they do. Attitude stinks and he looks to pass the blame whenever he can. Step up and take responsibility for the same old dross you are setting up every week you clown.
It stinks of his spell at Dundee all over again.
Strange post, you an insider just stirring it?🤔
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Sun 10 Mar 13:38
Reading between the lines , Bene has called out some of his colleagues, and the manager is doing the same, can this bunch of players deliberately get any worse ?
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Topic Originator: sonofpetrie
Date: Mon 11 Mar 10:08
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Sun 10 Mar 13:04
Quote:
par_33, Sun 10 Mar 10:32
All I’m saying is I’m just really surprised the players haven’t chucked Mcpake completely under the bus yet. I’ve heard some of the goings on behind the scenes and it’s only a matter of time until they do. Attitude stinks and he looks to pass the blame whenever he can. Step up and take responsibility for the same old dross you are setting up every week you clown.
It stinks of his spell at Dundee all over again.
Strange post, you an insider just stirring it?🤔
He`s actually pretty accurate with this. The only difference with us and Dundee is that the board have backed him 101% and have made it clear to all concerned. Some of the players do take issue with his tactics, team selection and practices but nothing will change until the board question him.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary"
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Topic Originator: fergie
Date: Tue 12 Mar 23:30
Quote:
SergioDuarte, Sun 11 Feb 16:05
The deal offered to the likes of Dave Witherspoon was an absolute embarrassment and completely in line with the sinister running of the club from Der Krauts .
What offer? My understanding based on information from a discussion with Dave wotherspoon is that no offer was made.!
We were his first choice as a club with East End being only 10/15 mins from his house, but despite waiting, nothing happened.
He ended up going to utd as they had a decent offer on the table, who would blame him for that. Anyway, hohum, onwards and upwards
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Topic Originator: 87Par
Date: Wed 13 Mar 04:15
Quote:
fergie, Tue 12 Mar 23:30
Quote:
SergioDuarte, Sun 11 Feb 16:05
The deal offered to the likes of Dave Witherspoon was an absolute embarrassment and completely in line with the sinister running of the club from Der Krauts .
What offer? My understanding based on information from a discussion with Dave wotherspoon is that no offer was made.!
We were his first choice as a club with East End being only 10/15 mins from his house, but despite waiting, nothing happened.
He ended up going to utd as they had a decent offer on the table, who would blame him for that. Anyway, hohum, onwards and upwards
No he went to Inverness.
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Topic Originator: DulochConvert
Date: Wed 13 Mar 04:58
Topic Originator: sonofpetrie like
Date: Mon 11 Mar 10:08
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Sun 10 Mar 13:04
Quote:
par_33, Sun 10 Mar 10:32
All I’m saying is I’m just really surprised the players haven’t chucked Mcpake completely under the bus yet. I’ve heard some of the goings on behind the scenes and it’s only a matter of time until they do. Attitude stinks and he looks to pass the blame whenever he can. Step up and take responsibility for the same old dross you are setting up every week you clown.
It stinks of his spell at Dundee all over again.
Strange post, you an insider just stirring it?🤔
He`s actually pretty accurate with this. The only difference with us and Dundee is that the board have backed him 101% and have made it clear to all concerned. Some of the players do take issue with his tactics, team selection and practices but nothing will change until the board question him.
This makes no sense!
You are seriously suggesting that we have a rebellion at the club from our injured players, about what very limited players were picked!!
The managers hands have been tied in what squad he has available almost all season (squad depth is a separate matter).
The OTTO sub at the weekend is one of the first I haven’t agreed with.
Honestly anyone who doesn’t think the team aren’t up for it haven’t been home & away the last two months and seen the boys passion be it win/ lose or draw
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Topic Originator: 87Par
Date: Wed 13 Mar 05:15
Quote:
DulochConvert, Wed 13 Mar 04:58
Topic Originator: sonofpetrie like
Date: Mon 11 Mar 10:08
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Sun 10 Mar 13:04
Quote:
par_33, Sun 10 Mar 10:32
All I’m saying is I’m just really surprised the players haven’t chucked Mcpake completely under the bus yet. I’ve heard some of the goings on behind the scenes and it’s only a matter of time until they do. Attitude stinks and he looks to pass the blame whenever he can. Step up and take responsibility for the same old dross you are setting up every week you clown.
It stinks of his spell at Dundee all over again.
Strange post, you an insider just stirring it?🤔
He`s actually pretty accurate with this. The only difference with us and Dundee is that the board have backed him 101% and have made it clear to all concerned. Some of the players do take issue with his tactics, team selection and practices but nothing will change until the board question him.
This makes no sense!
You are seriously suggesting that we have a rebellion at the club from our injured players, about what very limited players were picked!!
The managers hands have been tied in what squad he has available almost all season (squad depth is a separate matter).
The OTTO sub at the weekend is one of the first I haven’t agreed with.
Honestly anyone who doesn’t think the team aren’t up for it haven’t been home & away the last two months and seen the boys passion be it win/ lose or draw
Agree. Garbage chat.
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Topic Originator: 87Par
Date: Wed 13 Mar 05:23
Quote:
fergie, Tue 12 Mar 23:30
Quote:
SergioDuarte, Sun 11 Feb 16:05
The deal offered to the likes of Dave Witherspoon was an absolute embarrassment and completely in line with the sinister running of the club from Der Krauts .
What offer? My understanding based on information from a discussion with Dave wotherspoon is that no offer was made.!
We were his first choice as a club with East End being only 10/15 mins from his house, but despite waiting, nothing happened.
He ended up going to utd as they had a decent offer on the table, who would blame him for that. Anyway, hohum, onwards and upwards
He went up the A9 to come down it again. I dont think he`s made any difference at all. Sometimes the grass is greener eh
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Topic Originator: Football_Par
Date: Sun 17 Mar 16:20
so who`s still voting out ?
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Topic Originator: Football_Par
Date: Sun 17 Mar 16:25
Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par like
Date: Sat 10 Feb 16:37
Enough is enough, utter shambles again. No urgency, no fight and power puff up top. We need a change in direction and fast.
Mcpake out!!
Topic Originator: Parallel Lines like
Date: Sat 10 Feb 16:38
Has to go tonight.
Topic Originator: Row_ZZ like
Date: Sat 10 Feb 16:41
Yep, has to go now. No more excuses.
Topic Originator: ParfectXI like
Date: Sat 10 Feb 16:42
Unequivocally Yes! But as said by Nick dafc1 he ain’t going anywhere, even if relegated
Topic Originator: SergioDuarte like
Date: Sat 10 Feb 16:47
Should have been sacked after last weeks garbage .
Topic Originator: NikNakPar like
Date: Sat 10 Feb 16:56
Yes. I`ll give him a lift. That was terrible yet again
Topic Originator: OzPar like
Date: Sat 10 Feb 16:56
Cook out. McPake out.
Topic Originator: DBA like
Date: Sat 10 Feb 17:01
Shambles. Time to go.
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Sun 17 Mar 16:49
I don’t think people shouted for him to go after one or two bad results, and in the same vein, I don’t think people should be using one result as proof that he’s a great manager, or for others to imply anyone saying he should go were somehow wrong.
…and that applies to players, coaches, scouts as well as managers - we’re all excited and pleased with the game on Friday, but let’s remember that these are all paid professionals, taking your money and mine - and as such should be demonstrating that professionalism, not just in isolated moments or individual games, but throughout a season.
I still don’t think McP has done well when looking at the season as a whole, in terms of getting the most out of players available. however I was pleased to hear him say in interview that he recognises he’s been naive in certain decisions and formations - so here’s hoping that for the remaining games, we don’t regress, we play in a way that gets the best from who we’ve got and we set ourselves up, before and during games, to counter and overcome what’s in front of us.
The ideal situation is we get ourselves safe and can have a more relaxed, objective discussion (it is a forum after all) looking back at the whole season in the knowledge that we’re in the championship next year and could be facing Falkirk, airdrie and the rovers!
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sun 17 Mar 17:11
Quote:
DBP, Sun 17 Mar 16:49
I don’t think people shouted for him to go after one or two bad results, and in the same vein, I don’t think people should be using one result as proof that he’s a great manager, or for others to imply anyone saying he should go were somehow wrong.
…and that applies to players, coaches, scouts as well as managers - we’re all excited and pleased with the game on Friday, but let’s remember that these are all paid professionals, taking your money and mine - and as such should be demonstrating that professionalism, not just in isolated moments or individual games, but throughout a season.
I still don’t think McP has done well when looking at the season as a whole, in terms of getting the most out of players available. however I was pleased to hear him say in interview that he recognises he’s been naive in certain decisions and formations - so here’s hoping that for the remaining games, we don’t regress, we play in a way that gets the best from who we’ve got and we set ourselves up, before and during games, to counter and overcome what’s in front of us.
The ideal situation is we get ourselves safe and can have a more relaxed, objective discussion (it is a forum after all) looking back at the whole season in the knowledge that we’re in the championship next year and could be facing Falkirk, airdrie and the rovers!
Reasonable post except, they absolutely were wrong to say he should go. For a number of reasons.
Injuries.
Finances
Continuity, and lack of it.
Feel free to add.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Sun 17 Mar 18:18
Management is about getting the best out of the people you have. There have been challenges in the season but the players have been with the management and morale has remained high. There have been two games where we have been really poor. That happens and we paid the price. Push to the end of the season and prepare for next I think.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sun 17 Mar 18:55
Good post indiapar .. I read all your posts and they are sensible and positive .. good on ye .. COYP
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: sonofpetrie
Date: Sun 17 Mar 19:07
I was firmly in the out camp on this one. However this was not a personal thing at all. The frustration came in the middle of the season when he point blank refused to change tactics and personnel. No-one likes watching their team lose but for me it was the manner in which we were losing. It was slow, pedestrian, passive and dull. If we`ve learned anything over the last couple of weeks it`s that, with the players available now, we are perfectly capable of playing aggressive and entertaining football. Play like that for the rest of the season and I will have zero complaints. Regardless of league position.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary"
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sun 17 Mar 19:07
It always tickles me that when the team is doing badly everyone from the board to the ground staff get pelters but when things are going well they get no mention at all.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sun 17 Mar 19:07
He was 1 or 2 bad results/performances away from getting punted. I`m glad he`s pulled it out the bag.
The remit is survival and we now look on course for that. But for a while it was squeaky bum time.
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Topic Originator: KnebworthPar
Date: Sun 17 Mar 19:16
Quote:
weemike, Sun 17 Mar 19:07
He was 1 or 2 bad results/performances away from getting punted. I`m glad he`s pulled it out the bag.
The remit is survival and we now look on course for that. But for a while it was squeaky bum time.
Eh? How do you know that? My view, and of course it’s only my view, is that he’s never been in any danger.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sun 17 Mar 19:18
Quote:
KnebworthPar, Sun 17 Mar 19:16
Quote:
weemike, Sun 17 Mar 19:07
He was 1 or 2 bad results/performances away from getting punted. I`m glad he`s pulled it out the bag.
The remit is survival and we now look on course for that. But for a while it was squeaky bum time.
Eh? How do you know that? My view, and of course it’s only my view, is that he’s never been in any danger.
Your view is correct.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sun 17 Mar 19:28
Do you genuinely think if we continued to lose and were within 1 or 2 points of arbroath right now he`d still be here?
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sun 17 Mar 19:54
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JTH123, Sun 17 Mar 19:07
It always tickles me that when the team is doing badly everyone from the board to the ground staff get pelters but when things are going well they get no mention at all.
I agree. And, can I just say, I thought the groundsman had the pitch looking great on Friday night
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Sun 17 Mar 20:08
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Buspasspar, Sun 17 Mar 18:55
Good post indiapar .. I read all your posts and they are sensible and positive .. good on ye .. COYP
Thanks Busspasspar! Likewise. I think we have been around long enough to understand that there is no magic wand and it`s down to hard work and positive attitude.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sun 17 Mar 20:12
Quote:
weemike, Sun 17 Mar 19:28
Do you genuinely think if we continued to lose and were within 1 or 2 points of arbroath right now he`d still be here?
Yes.
Maybe it escaped your attention, but our last set of accounts showed 7 figure deficit.
No small part of this was due to paying 3 manager salaries almost all at once.
If they sacked McPake, they would have to pay him for two years plus some highly priced new guy who may or may not last 3 months before the wolves wanted him sacked, too.
Also. The board was aware that injuries had an effect, and several key players were returning.
He was never in danger outside the minds of a handful of fans, most of whom have done little on here other than call for sackings and verbally assassinate players who, in their opinion, are never going to be players yet none of them are fit to lace those players boots.
I don`t think the board believed we would be relegated, but even if we were, McPake has shown he has the ability to get us back up, so why sack him now and incur all the extra costs?
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Topic Originator: KnebworthPar
Date: Sun 17 Mar 20:22
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PARrot, Sun 17 Mar 20:12
Quote:
weemike, Sun 17 Mar 19:28
Do you genuinely think if we continued to lose and were within 1 or 2 points of arbroath right now he`d still be here?
Yes.
Maybe it escaped your attention, but our last set of accounts showed 7 figure deficit.
No small part of this was due to paying 3 manager salaries almost all at once.
If they sacked McPake, they would have to pay him for two years plus some highly priced new guy who may or may not last 3 months before the wolves wanted him sacked, too.
Also. The board was aware that injuries had an effect, and several key players were returning.
He was never in danger outside the minds of a handful of fans, most of whom have done little on here other than call for sackings and verbally assassinate players who, in their opinion, are never going to be players yet none of them are fit to lace those players boots.
I don`t think the board believed we would be relegated, but even if we were, McPake has shown he has the ability to get us back up, so why sack him now and incur all the extra costs?
All this talking sense will get you nowhere 😁
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 17 Mar 20:30
Quote:
KnebworthPar, Sun 17 Mar 20:22
Quote:
PARrot, Sun 17 Mar 20:12
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weemike, Sun 17 Mar 19:28
Do you genuinely think if we continued to lose and were within 1 or 2 points of arbroath right now he`d still be here?
Yes.
Maybe it escaped your attention, but our last set of accounts showed 7 figure deficit.
No small part of this was due to paying 3 manager salaries almost all at once.
If they sacked McPake, they would have to pay him for two years plus some highly priced new guy who may or may not last 3 months before the wolves wanted him sacked, too.
Also. The board was aware that injuries had an effect, and several key players were returning.
He was never in danger outside the minds of a handful of fans, most of whom have done little on here other than call for sackings and verbally assassinate players who, in their opinion, are never going to be players yet none of them are fit to lace those players boots.
I don`t think the board believed we would be relegated, but even if we were, McPake has shown he has the ability to get us back up, so why sack him now and incur all the extra costs?
All this talking sense will get you nowhere 😁
For correctness, Grant and Hughes’ contracts were part of the previous year’s accounts
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sun 17 Mar 20:46
Quote:
PARrot, Sun 17 Mar 20:12
Quote:
weemike, Sun 17 Mar 19:28
Do you genuinely think if we continued to lose and were within 1 or 2 points of arbroath right now he`d still be here?
Yes.
Maybe it escaped your attention, but our last set of accounts showed 7 figure deficit.
No small part of this was due to paying 3 manager salaries almost all at once.
If they sacked McPake, they would have to pay him for two years plus some highly priced new guy who may or may not last 3 months before the wolves wanted him sacked, too.
Also. The board was aware that injuries had an effect, and several key players were returning.
He was never in danger outside the minds of a handful of fans, most of whom have done little on here other than call for sackings and verbally assassinate players who, in their opinion, are never going to be players yet none of them are fit to lace those players boots.
I don`t think the board believed we would be relegated, but even if we were, McPake has shown he has the ability to get us back up, so why sack him now and incur all the extra costs?
Nothing has escaped my attention, I am fully aware of the obstacles mcpake has faced/faces.
But that doesn`t take away from the fact that in a results/performance based business. He was extremely close to both being declared not good enough.
On the injuries front he has assembled a squad which should navigate whatever circumstances come up so he must still accept responsibility.
Hopefully he has pulled through and the squad are on the up. I have been positive since he was appointed, but last month was worrying indeed.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 17 Mar 20:57
How many injuries would you say we would have had to suffer for them to be `non-navigable`? He must have been missing one-third of his squad at some points of the season and they weren`t spread evenly around the different positions. At times we didn`t have a specialist centre back who was fit.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sun 17 Mar 21:06
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 17 Mar 20:57
How many injuries would you say we would have had to suffer for them to be `non-navigable`? He must have been missing one-third of his squad at some points of the season and they weren`t spread evenly around the different positions. At times we didn`t have a specialist centre back who was fit.
Injuries happen In football, yes this season more than most but his squad has been assembled with players to fill the void if need be. If he ran out of players then that`s on him for choosing a light squad.
The only time it wouldn`t be on him would be if something outside football, virus or a bus crash etc wiped out the squad.
Correct me if I`m wrong.....but Mcpake and Mackay wanted a smaller squad? If its the boards choice then they can be excused somewhat.
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Topic Originator: Football_Par
Date: Sun 17 Mar 21:10
it just shows you how unbelievably fickle and reactionary some fans are.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 17 Mar 21:11
I agree he’s had a poor spell where he was unable to get much out of the players he himself signed. We have to remember that Friday was our best performance this season, it could well prove to be a outlier in the same way getting smashed 5-0 by Morton was the low point and results have not been that bad since.
I’m sure mcpake will have learned a bit about who is good enough and who he needs to bite the bullet with and let move on.
At this point feels like there will be 4 relatively experienced pro’s over 23 years old who will be warming the bench and who will not be cheap. He’ll do well to improve the squad without somehow moving a couple of them on.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Sun 17 Mar 21:22
I think you can look at this in different ways. We may have 3 or 4 experienced pros warming the bench, but they also take part in training and will provide more informal support tand advice to younger players. We play 90 minutes of football on a Saturday but no doubt spend about 3 hours a day in training so I`m sure they contribute there.
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Mon 18 Mar 00:00
I think we have a good management team ,no other team apart from Morton earlier in the season has had to adapt as much as us .so this is why I give our management my support
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Mon 18 Mar 01:40
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Sun 17 Mar 20:30
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KnebworthPar, Sun 17 Mar 20:22
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PARrot, Sun 17 Mar 20:12
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weemike, Sun 17 Mar 19:28
Do you genuinely think if we continued to lose and were within 1 or 2 points of arbroath right now he`d still be here?
Yes.
Maybe it escaped your attention, but our last set of accounts showed 7 figure deficit.
No small part of this was due to paying 3 manager salaries almost all at once.
If they sacked McPake, they would have to pay him for two years plus some highly priced new guy who may or may not last 3 months before the wolves wanted him sacked, too.
Also. The board was aware that injuries had an effect, and several key players were returning.
He was never in danger outside the minds of a handful of fans, most of whom have done little on here other than call for sackings and verbally assassinate players who, in their opinion, are never going to be players yet none of them are fit to lace those players boots.
I don`t think the board believed we would be relegated, but even if we were, McPake has shown he has the ability to get us back up, so why sack him now and incur all the extra costs?
All this talking sense will get you nowhere 😁
For correctness, Grant and Hughes’ contracts were part of the previous year’s accounts
Are you sure? I don`t know how long their contracts were for or when we stopped paying them.
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Topic Originator: DunPar
Date: Mon 18 Mar 03:28
McPake has a thankless task. A smaller squad or a bigger squad ? He`s maybe got a player salary budget of a million per year ? So, 20 players at 50k per year or 25 at 40k per year average. He`s obviously trying to get quality for his money rather than spreading it thin....not easy and it hasn`t worked for him with injuries etc.
If we`re a million quid for salaries, Callum McGregor earns twice our annual squad salary ! Mo Salah (and a few others) will earn the combined salary of our squad in 3 weeks !!
Note - I`m using round figures for simplicity and I don`t know exact squad salary. Wikipedia reckons we have 31 in squad including 7 loan players. So money has been spread even thinner to compensate for injuries.
How does budget grow and let him strengthen squad for next season ?
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Topic Originator: DulochConvert
Date: Mon 18 Mar 04:29
Topic Originator: wee eck like
Date: Sun 17 Mar 20:57
How many injuries would you say we would have had to suffer for them to be `non-navigable`? He must have been missing one-third of his squad at some points of the season and they weren`t spread evenly around the different positions. At times we didn`t have a specialist centre back who was fit.
The squad! Clapping the young boys around the pitch during the Arbroath game in Feb were definitely stronger than the team on the park, I reckon 7 out the 11 weren’t our first choice that day, with new signings chucked straight in.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Mon 18 Mar 09:18
DunPar, must have missed Ayr signing MacGregor and Morton signing Salah? Cracking signings tbf.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 18 Mar 09:35
Silly reply tbf
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Mon 18 Mar 11:43
I imagine we are all glad he has started to turn it around now he has the majority of players available for selection. There is no doubt we have suffered because of injuries to key players. Let’s see if we can take consistency into our next match. Were good enough to beat any team in this league and with a wee bit of luck we could end up in the playoffs.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 18 Mar 13:30
I`m not one for calling for change but......the guy seemed done in after the recent defeats to QP and Morton. Says a lot about him that he`s got a few decent results since and I noticed in the post match interview he hinted at his own stubbornness to adapt to different formations to suit whatever circumstances may arise. Good to hear.
Here`s hoping we can push on in the last few games and finish as high as possible
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: ParfectXI
Date: Mon 18 Mar 17:04
I’ve never been a fan of McPake, I have seen nothing in the last 2 years to change that opinion. With our team last season we should have won the league (which we did).
This season, I think he’s been found wanting for big periods, yes you can blame the injuries and that to a certain extent is a reasonable excuse, however it also highlighted our poor recruitment leaving us with a threadbare team at times.
Then there’s the contract extensions to Wighton and Mehmet- 1 year with an option for the club to extend perhaps so they can prove themselves in this league but certainly not a straight 3 years! Neither have shown this year that they are Championship standard.
WE are in serious danger of becoming the wee team if things don’t change soon.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Mon 18 Mar 17:41
Quote:
ParfectXI, Mon 18 Mar 17:04
I’ve never been a fan of McPake, I have seen nothing in the last 2 years to change that opinion. With our team last season we should have won the league (which we did).
This season, I think he’s been found wanting for big periods, yes you can blame the injuries and that to a certain extent is a reasonable excuse, however it also highlighted our poor recruitment leaving us with a threadbare team at times.
Then there’s the contract extensions to Wighton and Mehmet- 1 year with an option for the club to extend perhaps so they can prove themselves in this league but certainly not a straight 3 years! Neither have shown this year that they are Championship standard.
WE are in serious danger of becoming the wee team if things don’t change soon.
YYYYYYYAAAAAAAAWWWWWNNNNNNN!!!!!
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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar
Date: Mon 18 Mar 17:41
Quote:
ParfectXI, Mon 18 Mar 17:04
I’ve never been a fan of McPake, I have seen nothing in the last 2 years to change that opinion. With our team last season we should have won the league (which we did).
This season, I think he’s been found wanting for big periods, yes you can blame the injuries and that to a certain extent is a reasonable excuse, however it also highlighted our poor recruitment leaving us with a threadbare team at times.
Then there’s the contract extensions to Wighton and Mehmet- 1 year with an option for the club to extend perhaps so they can prove themselves in this league but certainly not a straight 3 years! Neither have shown this year that they are Championship standard.
WE are in serious danger of becoming the wee team if things don’t change soon.
Nope , impossible, it can`t actually happen
The Rovers are and always will be the wee team....
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Mon 18 Mar 18:26
Parrot, You were given space to give your opinion, it’s a shame you don’t seem to be willing to give others the same courtesy
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 18 Mar 18:32
Nobody is being denied an opinion.
I love these posts that say `Yes, we`ve had a lot of injuries, BUT...`. I wonder how people would feel if they were asked to do a job then, through no fault of their own, were denied about a third of the resources they expected to have at their disposal.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Mon 18 Mar 18:34
I was quite vociferously against the appointment of McPake.
However, to give him no credit for winning the league last season blows any credibility.
Re contracts, he also tied up KRH, Otoo, Fisher and Todd - all, I think, on 3 year deals. Do we just ignore that and pick on other players?
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Mon 18 Mar 18:39
I`ve always been a fan of James McPake. He has an appealing level of humility and honesty, a genuine affection for our club and a real desire for success. Contrary to the assertions of many of our managerial critics, he seems to be universally popular with the players, and win or lose, he hasn`t lost that. I really believe that he has assembled the basis of an excellent squad and that the only issue that has hindered us from being right in the promotion stakes has been our catastrophic injury situation. Our current squad can gel and mature together and our current management team can take them to the next level. Let`s solidify our place in the Championship and we`ll be well placed for a powerful campaign next season.
Post Edited (Mon 18 Mar 18:45)
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Mon 18 Mar 19:12
Quote:
wee eck, Mon 18 Mar 18:32
Nobody is being denied an opinion.
I love these posts that say `Yes, we`ve had a lot of injuries, BUT...`. I wonder how people would feel if they were asked to do a job then, through no fault of their own, were denied about a third of the resources they expected to have at their disposal.
Injuries and suspensions are part of this sport which is why the manager assembles a squad.
Yes he has been unfortunate but he still has to accept responsibility for poor form and performances. And I`m sure he does.
He cannot just get a free pass.
I`m glad he is still here and hope the whole club have learned something this season.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 18 Mar 19:25
Of course injuries are part of football but ours have been way above the norm this season. Maybe having a football man like Meggle on the board has helped them avoid the sort of knee-jerk reaction that is all too common on here.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Mon 18 Mar 19:42
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wee eck, Mon 18 Mar 19:25
Of course injuries are part of football but ours have been way above the norm this season. Maybe having a football man like Meggle on the board has helped them avoid the sort of knee-jerk reaction that is all too common on here.
Sacking someone after the morton game would`ve been 100% justified,
I can`t remember exactly but was it no wins in 8 and 3 points from 24?
It`s his job to train, motivate coach and prepare a squad to get the best result and performance possible v the next opponent, the morton game was an absolute shambles.
Again I`m glad he has turned it around, and only hope he has learned.
I actually imagine the whole squad will be better for getting through the hard times,
Hopefully we will kick on this weekend,
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 18 Mar 19:52
But if it had been up to you and a few others on her he wouldn`t have had the chance to turn things round!
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Mon 18 Mar 20:09
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wee eck, Mon 18 Mar 19:52
But if it had been up to you and a few others on her he wouldn`t have had the chance to turn things round!
That doesn`t make our opinion wrong or invalid, only different from the current course of action. Likewise if we get hammered again on Saturday, doesn`t make us correct.
And to be fair, any healthy fanbase should have opposite opinions on every topic.
As long as it doesn`t become toxic it should be beneficial.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 18 Mar 20:12
Quote:
wee eck, Mon 18 Mar 18:32
Nobody is being denied an opinion.
I love these posts that say `Yes, we`ve had a lot of injuries, BUT...`. I wonder how people would feel if they were asked to do a job then, through no fault of their own, were denied about a third of the resources they expected to have at their disposal.
People would adapt and alter their approach based on what was given to them. McPake did adapt by playing people out of position, but he didnt alter the approach when things were going badly.
Thankfully we appear to be doing just about enough to stave off the drop this year despite the issues.
But to say he was never in danger and believe that to be the case, is also a worrying position to hold. It shows your willingness to back anyone no matter what the run of results is. Also calling out others weeks later for believing it just shows an “I told you so” and “Im always right” kind of attitude.
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Mon 18 Mar 20:19
People would change their Yes or No after nearly every result.
Given how close it is I think it would be worth filling out his report card at the end of the season.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Mon 18 Mar 20:28
You’ve caught a few tiddlers there, ParfectXI
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 18 Mar 21:00
I don`t think I ever responded to these `in or out` questions to be honest. It really doesn`t matter what we think. I don`t think we`ve had a manager who hasn`t signed a player or extended a contract of a player I haven`t rated but I haven`t thought it warranted sacking. I usually give the benefit of the doubt to somebody who has been involved in professional football all his adult life even if I`ve been a fan a lot longer.
I`m fed up saying that disagreeing with someone`s opinion isn`t denying them one. It`s really quite worrying that so many people can`t grasp that.
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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar
Date: Mon 18 Mar 21:27
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wee eck, Mon 18 Mar 21:00
I don`t think I ever responded to these `in or out` questions to be honest. It really doesn`t matter what we think. I don`t think we`ve had a manager who hasn`t signed a player or extended a contract of a player I haven`t rated but I haven`t thought it warranted sacking. I usually give the benefit of the doubt to somebody who has been involved in professional football all his adult life even if I`ve been a fan a lot longer.
I`m fed up saying that disagreeing with someone`s opinion isn`t denying them one. It`s really quite worrying that so many people can`t grasp that.
Disagreeing with someone`s opinion along with some substance to why you disagree with it is the path to healthy debate
Disagreeing with someone`s opinion just because you think it`s wrong can come across as being disrespectful and can provoke reactions along the lines of the poster thinking that you find their opinion irrelevant
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Mon 18 Mar 21:37
I`d be lying if he was an inspiring appointment but I found him incredibly likeable pretty much from Day 1.
All signs point towards him having built a great team spirit. Got us out of the doldrums at the first attempt with very little stress. We were absolutely stinking when he took over, it`s worth remembering. Most of his signings have been decent. Not all, but a hit rate that`s way better than average.
He`s not perfect but that`s life. Surely it`s a given that anyone at any level is flawed in some respect? Always room for growth and learning.
Ultimately, and this is the bit people aren`t going to like, but I find it really infantile to even debate people about the injury crisis. I can`t even entertain it any more. Can`t remember what match it was, maybe Arbroath at home, and it was just depressing to the point of comedy to see talent after talent hanging around the dugout injured. We saw with Partick away and last Friday what might have been this season.
Maybe it`s just getting older and experiencing more of life (because make no mistake, twenty years ago I was a bit of a fanny on this website) but I`m way more optimistic and tolerant of folk than I used to be. They`re just people trying their best and they`re not even a fraction of a fraction as well paid as the grotesque monopoly at the top end of the game.
That doesn`t mean we can never criticise, of course, but if things are generally going in the right direction, or if you`ve been dealt a rough hand (as we have) then I reckon you should cut folk some slack. I wonder how many of the more vocal, perpetual critics have run a business or managed a team? It`s a nightmare!
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Mon 18 Mar 21:46
Wise words, Rusty.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Mon 18 Mar 21:47
"(because make no mistake, twenty years ago I was a bit of a fanny on this website)"
Especially those words...
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Tue 19 Mar 06:23
Great post from Rusty, above. Fortunately, I have no recollection of his persona from 20 years ago, but he`s one of the voices of reason now. 🙂
I didn`t know much about James McPake when he was appointed, but I reasoned he had to be an improvement on Grant and Hughes. I went to the first supporters meeting and thought, like Paralex, that he spoke very well. He came across as a young, humble man who openly admitted that he was learning the game and was disappointed to have been sacked by Dundee as he felt he could have kept them in the Premiership.
More compelling evidence comes from his players. Even those who are not regular starters rate him and Dave Mackay very highly. Even at the height of our injury crisis, none of them believed we would be relegated. I don`t know if that belief is an individual, built in confidence, or whether it stems from the management team. The harmony in the squad is top notch - quite a contrast from our season under Grant and Hughes.
So, in a nutshell, I`ve never been of the opinion that we should sack the management team in mid-season, the reason being that a new manager coming in would have the same mix of fit and injured players at his disposal and would not be armed with a magic wand. The time to make a decision should always be at the end of the season, in my humble one. The "New Manager Bounce" is a very rare phenomenon, but we tend to remember it when it happens and forget when it doesn`t, because that`s how our brains work.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Tue 19 Mar 07:40
We could still equal the finish under Stevie Crawford when we had Kevin Nisbett. This is despite injuries etc. I think they deserve alot more credit for that.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 19 Mar 08:29
Good Posts Rusty and GG
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Tue 19 Mar 12:34
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DBP, Mon 18 Mar 18:26
Parrot, You were given space to give your opinion, it’s a shame you don’t seem to be willing to give others the same courtesy
You are quite right. I apologise and take it back.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 19 Mar 12:48
We should always be critical or managers and coaches but attempt to do so in a fair and constructive way. We don`t necessarily know the details as to why a sub was made or why a player didn`t play. Sometimes it`s not for reasons the club or player wants to make public.
We should be aspirational. We`re a "big" club in Scottish terms but the issue is getting into the top league WILL require spending beyond our current means, which is a very risky option. Assuming we can keep playing like we have been, we should keep our spot in the Championship and seek to build on it. I`m going to say that Dundee Utd will go up. I don`t think Raith will get the play off spot and will likely lose some players in the summer. Even with that pair sort of out the way, there are still decent clubs like Partick, Morton and ICT potentially in this league next year.
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Topic Originator: Angus_W
Date: Tue 19 Mar 13:12
IMO......
Anyone who doubts McPakes commitment just needs to look at his reaction to the third goal on Friday.
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“.........it ain’t over till the Pars score!”
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 19 Mar 13:25
The great unknown, of course, is where we would be now if the board had sacked the manager after either of the home defeats to Morton and QP.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 19 Mar 14:07
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wee eck, Tue 19 Mar 13:25
The great unknown, of course, is where we would be now if the board had sacked the manager after either of the home defeats to Morton and QP.
Or appointed the dog/boy from Woof rather than Grant.
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Topic Originator: parathletic
Date: Tue 19 Mar 14:41
In terms of points per game in the Championship I think Hughes had a slightly better record for us than McPake currently has?(I`m not asking to bring him back though!🤣)
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Tue 19 Mar 16:22
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parathletic, Tue 19 Mar 14:41
In terms of points per game in the Championship I think Hughes had a slightly better record for us than McPake currently has?(I`m not asking to bring him back though!🤣)
Hope Hughes doesn’t read that comment or he will be on the BBC bumping his gums, telling us all how great he is. 😄
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Tue 19 Mar 16:25
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parathletic, Tue 19 Mar 14:41
In terms of points per game in the Championship, I think Hughes had a slightly better record for us than McPake currently has?(I`m not asking to bring him back, though!🤣)
Thank fek for that, parathletic! 😱
I didn`t want to over old ground in my post further up, but there was no harmony in the playing squad during Hughes` short spell as Pars manager. The players were split into two cliques - those who simply didn`t like him and those who despised him.....
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: NW 1966
Date: Tue 19 Mar 18:25
McPake stays, and rightly so. He`ll keep us up.
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Topic Originator: DNCH
Date: Thu 21 Mar 05:52
Is there a function on this forum where you`re able to see if someone has responded to your message?
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