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Topic Originator: brian
Date: Sat 15 Jun 13:59
Is a draw a good result for Scotland?
Post Edited (Sat 15 Jun 14:19)
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 15 Jun 14:07
Probably although a Switzerland win would then see them likely be happy with a draw against us on Wednesday which I`d also take.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 15 Jun 14:25
I thought Switzerland would be weaker than Hungary so I thought beat the Swiss and draw with the Magyars - might have to reassess things now...
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Sat 15 Jun 14:30
Aye, got 3/1 on Hungary this morning and thought it was great value. Not looking clever at the moment.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 15 Jun 15:11
After fifty odd minutes Hungary look woeful
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: brian
Date: Sat 15 Jun 15:21
Scotland Hungary will be the decider for 3rd place
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 15 Jun 16:54
Draw on Wednesday makes it winner takes all v Hungary. A win on Wednesday really sets the cat amongst the cuckoos. Still in with a chance but needs big improvements in ball retention and aggression.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sat 15 Jun 16:55
Quote:
brian, Sat 15 Jun 15:21
Scotland Hungary will be the decider for 3rd place
Love the positivity đź’Ş
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sat 15 Jun 17:40
Don’t think either of these two looked anything special. They were both combative, set up well, had pace and dangerous looking attacking midfielders/strikers. Basically everything Scotland did not.
FWIW I think the Swiss are beatable but by goodness we need Scotland to turn up to have any chance against what is just an average team really.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: USMac
Date: Sat 15 Jun 18:52
With the poor GD as a result of the first match and the Swiss win today, a draw on Wed no longer works. 4 pts can still be sufficient, but it has to be a W on Wed.
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Sat 15 Jun 19:19
No 9 for Hungary was built like a brick…🤷
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 15 Jun 19:22
Sorry USMac I don`t understand. If four points is sufficient then why can`t it be a draw on Wednesday and win against Hungary?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: USMac
Date: Sat 15 Jun 19:27
TOWK, as I understand it, GD is first tiebreaker after pts. A draw on Wed would give the Swiss 4 pts, and they will most likely end up with a superior GD.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Sat 15 Jun 19:30
Yes, but we don`t need to finish 2nd to qualify.
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Sat 15 Jun 19:56
A draw with Switzerland and a win against Hungary guarantees we finish at least third.
A win against Switzerland and a draw against Hungary doesn’t quite guarantee third place as it’d be possible - though pretty unlikely- for all 4 teams to end up on 4 points and we’d likely be bottom on goal difference. This happened to Norway in the 1994 World Cup.
4 points has always been good enough for one of the top 4 third place teams even with a shocking goal difference. Not guaranteed though.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 15 Jun 20:17
I thought the commentator last night said that, in the event of teams being level on points, the first `tie-breaker` was head-to-head results?
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Sat 15 Jun 20:49
wee eck wrote:
> I thought the commentator last night said that, in the event of
> teams being level on points, the first `tie-breaker` was
> head-to-head results?
Yes, that’s right. Goal difference is likely to come into play when comparing third placed teams though. It’s likely that at least 2 third placed teams will have less than 4 points, so 4 points and third place should be good enough.
If 3 teams in a group end up with the same points, then it’s points in games between those 3 teams that count and then goal difference in games between those 3. If these rules were in place in the 1974 World Cup, I think Scotland and Yugoslavia would’ve gone through ahead of Brazil as our lack of goals against Zaire wouldn’t have been a problem.
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sat 15 Jun 21:05
Can`t see either Switzerland or Hungary taking any points from Germany ,
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 15 Jun 22:48
It`s all a game of chance with teams outside the top dozen or so but even the big teams can be undone. Let`s hope Germany have some goals left in the tank so we can focus on winning our games.
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Topic Originator: parathletic
Date: Sun 16 Jun 01:05
Quote:
Rigger Al, Sat 15 Jun 21:05
Can`t see either Switzerland or Hungary taking any points from Germany ,
Hungary won in Germany in the Nations League, took 4 points from 6 them and finished above them in the group.Switzerland have lost one game in 15.
I`m not saying they will definitely take points from Germany but I wouldn’t be writing either off completely.We made the Germans look better than they are.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sun 16 Jun 09:43
Assuming Germany win both of their remaining games, its hard to see how we would have a better goal difference than Switzerland or 2 of the 3rd place teams. This suggests we need to beat Switzerland to have a chance of going through.
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Sun 16 Jun 09:52
Quote:
JTH123, Sun 16 Jun 09:43
Assuming Germany win both of their remaining games, its hard to see how we would have a better goal difference than Switzerland or 2 of the 3rd place teams. This suggests we need to beat Switzerland to have a chance of going through.
There`s been no previous of a team with a win and a draw going out in 3rd. But listen... It`s Scotland we`re talking about!
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Sun 16 Jun 10:15
At the last euros, Ukraine went through in 3rd place with only 3 points as did Northern Ireland and Portugal in 2016.
So 4 points should be enough. Tall order though.
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Sun 16 Jun 10:23
Four should be enough, six might not be.
Have to play to win.
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Topic Originator: parathletic
Date: Sun 16 Jun 10:59
We`ll be lucky to get 0 points.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 16 Jun 11:12
We won’t muster 4 points, so all a bit irrelevant.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sun 16 Jun 11:15
Fair point guys, I hadn`t appreciated that a couple of 3rd placed teams could have 3 points.
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Mon 17 Jun 05:47
I think we should be aiming to have a few shots on goal before we try to achieve anything else.
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