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Topic Originator: Alf
Date: Thu 15 Aug 18:12
So what players will we go for? Have we missed out on the players McPake was looking at previously?
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Thu 15 Aug 18:16
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Alf, Thu 15 Aug 18:12
So what players will we go for? Have we missed out on the players McPake was looking at previously?
He thinks Wighton is good enough so plenty of players available of that standard š
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 15 Aug 18:17
If anyone thinks we are actually going to go on a spending spree the same time the investors have put the club up for sale then they are mental šš we might get 2/3 loans in but thats itā¦..
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Topic Originator: Alf
Date: Thu 15 Aug 18:20
McPake has clearly had his hands tied and has had to try and cover up for the board,
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 15 Aug 18:38
Quote:
Alf, Thu 15 Aug 18:20
McPake has clearly had his hands tied and has had to try and cover up for the board,
Being Hamstrung by lack of signings doesnāt cover him for his absolute dross football he puts on the park very weekā¦
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Topic Originator: 2004Par
Date: Thu 15 Aug 18:44
Resign Paul allan.
Post Edited (Thu 15 Aug 18:44)
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Thu 15 Aug 18:46
Quote:
2004Par, Thu 15 Aug 18:44
Resign Paul allan.
If he was good enough, wouldn`t he already have a team in this league?
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Topic Originator: AlterPar
Date: Thu 15 Aug 18:48
Stuart Mckinstry
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Topic Originator: ParfectXI
Date: Thu 15 Aug 19:12
Did you not read - itās money for SENSIBILE signings! Thatāll be cheap or loans
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Topic Originator: Alf
Date: Thu 15 Aug 19:21
Quote:
ParfectXI, Thu 15 Aug 19:12
Did you not read - itās money for SENSIBILE signings! Thatāll be cheap or loans
It`s better than what we were going to get, and that was hee haw
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Topic Originator: Row_ZZ
Date: Thu 15 Aug 19:21
We can get a Goalkeeper, left-back and left sided attacker all on loan for decent wages that won`t break the bank. It is desperately required. I`d expect 3/4 loans to come in fairly soon now.
"A smile might be good!"
"Nothing to smile about in my life"
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Thu 15 Aug 19:32
The club is up for sale so there is no cash and funds. Why would they invest anymore money???
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Thu 15 Aug 19:34
Yes, a reserve goalkeeper (ideally one who can legitimately compete with Mehmet), a left back or left sided defender who can play left back and centre back, and a left midfielder/winger would be good. Another centre forward option would be good too although I guess Sutherland would see his minutes limited even further.
I think Kerr McInroy is still without a club should we be looking at getting someone different in the middle of the park?
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Thu 15 Aug 19:46
Who would want to buy into a club marooned at the bottom of the championship?
Thatās why weāre investing some cash now.
Knowing mcpake Iād expect us to sign Stevie May and Charlie Adam!
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Parsfangaz
Date: Thu 15 Aug 19:54
Quote:
Berkey, Thu 15 Aug 19:46
Who would want to buy into a club marooned at the bottom of the championship?
Thatās why weāre investing some cash now.
Knowing mcpake Iād expect us to sign Stevie May and Charlie Adam!
āMaroonedā š
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Thu 15 Aug 20:01
Quote:
nick_dafc1, Thu 15 Aug 18:46
Quote:
2004Par, Thu 15 Aug 18:44
Resign Paul allan.
If he was good enough, wouldn`t he already have a team in this league?
He was good enough
Zwei Pints Bier und ein PƤckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Thu 15 Aug 20:04
Paul Allan isnāt good enough if you also have chalmers in your squad. We need players who have what these guys donāt.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Thu 15 Aug 20:07
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Thu 15 Aug 20:01
Quote:
nick_dafc1, Thu 15 Aug 18:46
Quote:
2004Par, Thu 15 Aug 18:44
Resign Paul allan.
If he was good enough, wouldn`t he already have a team in this league?
He was good enough
If he was he`d have a new club. Shame for the boy but that`s facts
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Thu 15 Aug 20:14
Quote:
Andrew283, Thu 15 Aug 20:07
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Thu 15 Aug 20:01
Quote:
nick_dafc1, Thu 15 Aug 18:46
Quote:
2004Par, Thu 15 Aug 18:44
Resign Paul allan.
If he was good enough, wouldn`t he already have a team in this league?
He was good enough
If he was he`d have a new club. Shame for the boy but that`s facts
Not necessarily. He might`ve turned down offers, one of our better players last season with a higher average Points per game than the squads average without him in it
Paul Allan featured in 27 league matches last season he started 18 and was subbed in 9 times.
We won 9 drew 10 and lost 8,
Average points per game 1.37
The squad played 36. Won 11 drew 12 and lost 13.
Average points per game 1.25
When paul never featured
W2 D2 L5
Average points per game 0.89
He is a decent championship footballer and our squad is currently weaker without him.
That's the facts.
Post Edited (Thu 15 Aug 20:17)
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 15 Aug 20:20
I feel sorry for Paul. He really needed another season in League 1 the season we were promoted. Obviously back then there were warning signs but I genuinely think had he went on loan to a Kelty Hearts, weād have been looking at a much different player. In stead he wasnāt truely 100% over his knee. He only started coming into his game as we let him go and he ended up training at Hamilton ffs
We are desperate for players of championship quality. I canāt see where they will come from
COYP
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Thu 15 Aug 20:32
I don`t know why we have a new thread about Available Players now....they have taken the hump, there`s not going to be any decent players coming in now. Why would they throw good money after bad?
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Topic Originator: Alf
Date: Thu 15 Aug 20:35
Quote:
red-star-par, Thu 15 Aug 20:32
I don`t know why we have a new thread about Available Players now....they have taken the hump, there`s not going to be any decent players coming in now. Why would they throw good money after bad?
Will it be easier to sell a club that are in the top 6 or one that`s rooted to the bottom of the league
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Thu 15 Aug 20:41
Yeah, they wonāt be throwing a lot of money in the slightest, it reads to me like a cheap dig that they had a meeting and were inclined to go and do it anyway given current situation.
It will be some loans and a young GK.
Itās like selling your house right, you start doing it up a little bit in the hope it ups the valuation, this is pretty much exactly the same thing.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Thu 15 Aug 20:42
Sadly we will be shopping in the football equivalent of Primark
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Thu 15 Aug 21:02
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Thu 15 Aug 20:01
Quote:
nick_dafc1, Thu 15 Aug 18:46
Quote:
2004Par, Thu 15 Aug 18:44
Resign Paul allan.
If he was good enough, wouldn`t he already have a team in this league?
He was good enough
Clearly he`s not good enough as none of the other 9 teams in our league see him worthy of a contract.
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Thu 15 Aug 21:04
Quote:
weemike, Thu 15 Aug 20:14
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Andrew283, Thu 15 Aug 20:07
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AdamAntsParsStripe, Thu 15 Aug 20:01
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nick_dafc1, Thu 15 Aug 18:46
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2004Par, Thu 15 Aug 18:44
Resign Paul allan.
If he was good enough, wouldn`t he already have a team in this league?
He was good enough
If he was he`d have a new club. Shame for the boy but that`s facts
Not necessarily. He might`ve turned down offers, one of our better players last season with a higher average Points per game than the squads average without him in it
Paul Allan featured in 27 league matches last season he started 18 and was subbed in 9 times.
We won 9 drew 10 and lost 8,
Average points per game 1.37
The squad played 36. Won 11 drew 12 and lost 13.
Average points per game 1.25
When paul never featured
W2 D2 L5
Average points per game 0.89
He is a decent championship footballer and our squad is currently weaker without him.
That`s the facts.
It wasn`t a 1 man team with or without Allan though. Let me see his personal stats
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Thu 15 Aug 21:11
Jesus the club is put up for sale and everyone thinks there is money for any players to be brought in?? Thatās them done and waiting for a sale.
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Thu 15 Aug 21:12
Paul accrued 1.37 PPG
The squad, on average (with and without paul), accrued 1.25ppg
When he never featured 0.89 ppg
Therefore, when he played, the team performed better.
It`s a team sport, and when part of last seasons team on the pitch, the team performed better than without him
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Thu 15 Aug 21:13
Quote:
Alter Ego, Thu 15 Aug 21:11
Jesus the club is put up for sale and everyone thinks there is money for any players to be brought in?? Thatās them done and waiting for a sale.
They wonāt sell a club in free fall to league one. Money has been released to get us 3-4 players in the door. Hopefully gives us the boost to start getting points on the board.
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Thu 15 Aug 21:17
There is no cash at all in the clubā¦ they wonāt use their own moneyš¤· they are looking to sell so no chance of spending anything!
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 15 Aug 21:36
Quote:
weemike, Thu 15 Aug 21:12
Paul accrued 1.37 PPG
The squad, on average (with and without paul), accrued 1.25ppg
When he never featured 0.89 ppg
Therefore, when he played, the team performed better.
It`s a team sport, and when part of last seasons team on the pitch, the team performed better than without him
Aye very good.
How come heās no in the premier league?
COYP
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Thu 15 Aug 21:42
Quote:
NMCmassive, Thu 15 Aug 21:36
Quote:
weemike, Thu 15 Aug 21:12
Paul accrued 1.37 PPG
The squad, on average (with and without paul), accrued 1.25ppg
When he never featured 0.89 ppg
Therefore, when he played, the team performed better.
It`s a team sport, and when part of last seasons team on the pitch, the team performed better than without him
Aye very good.
How come heās no in the premier league?
I`m just stating the facts that last season, the team accrued more points when paul allan featured. Be as sarcastic as you like, but I would`ve kept him to see if that trend would continue. But those stats look like he was a net positive compared to others in the squad.
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Thu 15 Aug 21:46
The owners want to sell so there will not be any funds for additional playersā¦ why would the want to put anymore money into the club?
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: Alf
Date: Thu 15 Aug 21:50
Quote:
Alter Ego, Thu 15 Aug 21:46
The owners want to sell so there will not be any funds for additional playersā¦ why would the want to put anymore money into the club?
Maybe it`s easier to sell a club that aren`t heading for relegation
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Thu 15 Aug 22:01
Ah but there is no money and when investors want to sell a business they will not put anymore money into the businessā¦.so all they will do is keep the club going untill a buyer comes inā¦ no more investment will be made from their pockets but all through the club. They are done!
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Thu 15 Aug 22:05
Quote:
Alter Ego, Thu 15 Aug 22:01
Ah but there is no money and when investors want to sell a business they will not put anymore money into the businessā¦.so all they will do is keep the club going untill a buyer comes inā¦ no more investment will be made from their pockets but all through the club. They are done!
They still have to manage the club for the next 6-12 months and possibly beyond. That means they still have to protect their investment to some degree. Punting the manager and signing players are difficult decisions they may still have to make.
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Thu 15 Aug 22:47
No money in the clubā¦ā¦no players inš¤·
We have been screwed by the investment into the clubā¦thereās not been much but they have taken all money out!
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: fcda
Date: Thu 15 Aug 22:56
Quote:
Alter Ego, Thu 15 Aug 22:47
No money in the clubā¦ā¦no players inš¤·
We have been screwed by the investment into the clubā¦thereās not been much but they have taken all money out!
Did you read the statement? The reason folk are speculating about signings...
[I]...the board have recognised that the current squad needs to be strengthened in several areas for reasons of both quality and depth. We are more than aware of this. At a board meeting heldĀ onĀ Monday 12 August, resources have been made available to the management team to make sensible additions both by way of signings and by way of the now graduallyĀ activeĀ loan market.Ā [/I]
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Thu 15 Aug 23:22
We shall see..
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: LesliePar
Date: Thu 15 Aug 23:33
Quote:
Alter Ego, Thu 15 Aug 23:22
We shall see..
In other words, no you didn`t read the statement.
COYP!
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 15 Aug 23:36
Quote:
weemike, Thu 15 Aug 21:42
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NMCmassive, Thu 15 Aug 21:36
Quote:
weemike, Thu 15 Aug 21:12
Paul accrued 1.37 PPG
The squad, on average (with and without paul), accrued 1.25ppg
When he never featured 0.89 ppg
Therefore, when he played, the team performed better.
It`s a team sport, and when part of last seasons team on the pitch, the team performed better than without him
Aye very good.
How come heās no in the premier league?
I`m just stating the facts that last season, the team accrued more points when paul allan featured. Be as sarcastic as you like, but I would`ve kept him to see if that trend would continue. But those stats look like he was a net positive compared to others in the squad.
Paul is good with the ball at his feet. He always put a good corner in and could play a good pass but he struggled with the pace of the game in the championship. He wasnāt physical enough and was basically a gaping hole in the middle of the park when defending. It was even worse the few times we played Chalmers and Paul together in central midfield.
I hope the best for Paul since heās a local lad but perhaps the fact heās struggling to get a club shows roughly where he lies in the pecking order of Scottish midfielders.
COYP
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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Fri 16 Aug 06:44
Welch Hayes likely to be coming in
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave
Date: Fri 16 Aug 07:48
Quote:
fcda, Thu 15 Aug 22:56
Quote:
Alter Ego, Thu 15 Aug 22:47
No money in the clubā¦ā¦no players inš¤·
We have been screwed by the investment into the clubā¦thereās not been much but they have taken all money out!
Did you read the statement? The reason folk are speculating about signings...
[I]...the board have recognised that the current squad needs to be strengthened in several areas for reasons of both quality and depth. We are more than aware of this. At a board meeting heldĀ onĀ Monday 12 August, resources have been made available to the management team to make sensible additions both by way of signings and by way of the now graduallyĀ activeĀ loan market.Ā [/I]
^^^ That quote from the board announcement is almost contradictory in nature.
On one hand the fans have been pushing for answers on the lack of strength/numbers in the first team.
On the other hand the board have been silent on the matter this frustrating the fans. On occasion the manager has hinted at being no more signings and appeared down-beat.
Then to publish what can only be described as a hurried messy rant blaming the fans whilst in the same announcement acknowledging the same concerns as the fans on the quality of the squad. Hypocritical !
I am suspicious that no funds will be released for players.
After the recent ICT scandal not paying teams for loanees, what team would send their players to us with the same fear.
DunfyDave
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Fri 16 Aug 07:50
Not sure I consider Welsh hayes a sensible signing when we already have comrie for that position?
We need a central midfielder, a left sided midfielder/winger and a backup goalkeeper. For whoever else we need it depends on whether mcpake is going to stick with his 5311 formation or if we plan on trying to score goals and win games..
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Fri 16 Aug 08:27
Welch Hayes is an excellent signing, better than Comrie.
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Topic Originator: CrossPar
Date: Fri 16 Aug 08:30
Quote:
Bannockburn Par, Fri 16 Aug 08:27
Welch Hayes is an excellent signing, better than Comrie.
Agreed.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Fri 16 Aug 08:32
We donāt need a right sided defender though
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: neilholland999
Date: Fri 16 Aug 08:43
It may be that Comrie will be used as more of a utility player.
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Fri 16 Aug 09:34
Would you sign for us off the back of that statement? It`ll be bargain basement stuff on one year deals if anything.
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"People always talk about Ronaldinho and magic, but I didn't see him today. I saw Henrik Larsson; that's where the magic was."
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 16 Aug 09:45
Quote:
TAFKA_Super_Petrie, Fri 16 Aug 09:34
Would you sign for us off the back of that statement? It`ll be bargain basement stuff on one year deals if anything.
Pretty much as expected then?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 16 Aug 09:50
Quote:
Berkey, Fri 16 Aug 07:50
Not sure I consider Welsh hayes a sensible signing when we already have comrie for that position?
We need a central midfielder, a left sided midfielder/winger and a backup goalkeeper. For whoever else we need it depends on whether mcpake is going to stick with his 5311 formation or if we plan on trying to score goals and win games..
Comrie got injuredā¦
COYP
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 16 Aug 09:51
Quote:
Bannockburn Par, Fri 16 Aug 08:27
Welch Hayes is an excellent signing, better than Comrie.
Thereās also thisā¦
COYP
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Fri 16 Aug 10:52
Comrie is a good enough championship player though, we need to bring in players so that those who are not good enough for the championship are moved to the bench.
From the team on Saturday Iād suggest a decent left back or left wing back, as not convinced the new guy is at the required standard and canāt lose otoo from the middle of the park. Chalmers should be on the bench at this level, McCann on the bench at this level, ideally Iād want better than fisher and with pace to cover bene who is struggling and thereās no cover for him. We obviously need players with pace and legs as the team doesnāt have either and as such thereās no forward impetus. Another option is needed if wotherspoon gets injured or struggles to play so often on the heavy pitches.
Iād even argue KRH needs to really show something or weāll need better but he might improve with better around him.
For me this is prob mcpakes last money to bring in players, needs to really improve his success rate.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 16 Aug 10:58
Quote:
Berkey, Fri 16 Aug 10:52
Comrie is a good enough championship player though, we need to bring in players so that those who are not good enough for the championship are moved to the bench.
From the team on Saturday Iād suggest a decent left back or left wing back, as not convinced the new guy is at the required standard and canāt lose otoo from the middle of the park. Chalmers should be on the bench at this level, McCann on the bench at this level, ideally Iād want better than fisher and with pace to cover bene who is struggling and thereās no cover for him. We obviously need players with pace and legs as the team doesnāt have either and as such thereās no forward impetus. Another option is needed if wotherspoon gets injured or struggles to play so often on the heavy pitches.
Iād even argue KRH needs to really show something or weāll need better but he might improve with better around him.
For me this is prob mcpakes last money to bring in players, needs to really improve his success rate.
Iāve no doubt about Conrie being good enough btw. Heās a good player for us. Solid 7 out of 10 every week - works hard, solid in the tackle. I like him. He did need surgery on his knee last season hence Welsh-Hayes on loan.
Iām not sold on Ngwenya yet either but that could be because weāre comparing him to Josh Edwardsš¤·š»āāļø I think he deserves a little time especially since we wonāt have the funds.
I agree with everything else youāve said. I think youāve summed it up pretty well.
COYP
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Topic Originator: OorWullie
Date: Fri 16 Aug 11:02
Ngwenya is a big downgrade on Josh.
Have to laugh at the ceo saying he was our first choice. Well, he aināt good enough
Play comrie as a right back in a four and he is absolutely a reliable player.
Post Edited (Fri 16 Aug 11:02)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 16 Aug 11:03
Aye, it`s simple for you, Berkey - we just need a completely new squad!
I`ve no idea if we`re going to sign MWH but I think he would strengthen the squad. He can play RB, RWB or CB, possibly even LB, and is energetic and `streetwise`.
I agree we need cover at LB/LWB but where is the cover for Comrie at RB/RWB? It would also free him up to play CB if required.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Fri 16 Aug 11:31
Quote:
wee eck, Fri 16 Aug 11:03
Aye, it`s simple for you, Berkey - we just need a completely new squad!
I`ve no idea if we`re going to sign MWH but I think he would strengthen the squad. He can play RB, RWB or CB, possibly even LB, and is energetic and `streetwise`.
I agree we need cover at LB/LWB but where is the cover for Comrie at RB/RWB? It would also free him up to play CB if required.
You still attack him when he`s talking the absolute truth? You`re honestly a bit weird. He wasn`t wrong at all in his post.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 16 Aug 11:39
Quote:
Andrew283, Fri 16 Aug 11:31
Quote:
wee eck, Fri 16 Aug 11:03
Aye, it`s simple for you, Berkey - we just need a completely new squad!
I`ve no idea if we`re going to sign MWH but I think he would strengthen the squad. He can play RB, RWB or CB, possibly even LB, and is energetic and `streetwise`.
I agree we need cover at LB/LWB but where is the cover for Comrie at RB/RWB? It would also free him up to play CB if required.
You still attack him when he`s talking the absolute truth? You`re honestly a bit weird. He wasn`t wrong at all in his post.
"Attack"?! Are you OK?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 16 Aug 11:39
How much money does he think is being made available? He was wanting at least 5 additions to Saturday`s squad.
You think I`m weird? I can`t recall him making a positive post about the club in all the years I`ve followed this Forum.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Fri 16 Aug 11:47
Considering every time Berkey posts, you two are climbing out the woodwork to criticise his posts...
And he`s not wrong in the slightest at saying we need 5 players or more. This current squad are relegation fodder.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 16 Aug 11:58
I try not to respond to his posts but sometimes I`m overcome by the stream of negativity. I`ll try harder next time.
`Weird`, `climbing out the woodwork`.
Classy.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 16 Aug 12:05
Quote:
Andrew283, Fri 16 Aug 11:47
Considering every time Berkey posts, you two are climbing out the woodwork to criticise his posts...
And he`s not wrong in the slightest at saying we need 5 players or more. This current squad are relegation fodder.
I find it weird that anyone who questions his views or opinions is accused of attacking or abusing him.
He`s not always right.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar
Date: Fri 16 Aug 12:10
Quote:
da_no_1, Fri 16 Aug 12:05
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Andrew283, Fri 16 Aug 11:47
Considering every time Berkey posts, you two are climbing out the woodwork to criticise his posts...
And he`s not wrong in the slightest at saying we need 5 players or more. This current squad are relegation fodder.
I find it weird that anyone who questions his views or opinions is accused of attacking or abusing him.
He`s not always right.
I guess it more to do with the initial sarky response which is then followed by the differing opinion which makes the post less reputable .....
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Fri 16 Aug 12:18
That escalated fast.
It tells me something when all the players Iāve consistently said are not good enough are playing every week and we wonder why we are not winning games and not even looking like scoring.
Weāre watching the same game so will be interesting to see which areas mcpake looks to strengthen if heās only able to bring 2-3 in. Hopefully he looks outside of his friends network for a change, thereās a whole world of players out there we donāt even consider.
Post Edited (Fri 16 Aug 12:34)
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Fri 16 Aug 12:26
I`ll be very surprised if anyone comes in other than a keeper on loan. No one will want to be associated with the club until this gets ironed out, which could take months
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 16 Aug 12:37
Do you really think players are bothered about stuff like that? As long as they think they`ll get paid (if not a loanee) and have a good chance of playing I can`t imagine they`re interested in ownership matters.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Fri 16 Aug 12:40
Quote:
wee eck, Fri 16 Aug 12:37
Do you really think players are bothered about stuff like that? As long as they think they`ll get paid (if not a loanee) and have a good chance of playing I can`t imagine they`re interested in ownership matters.
Of course they do,
Would you want to sign for a team that`s marooned at the bottom of the league and playing rubbish football with an ownership model which has no interest in the club going forward?
I wouldn`t!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 16 Aug 12:55
I would hope the player would have enough confidence in his own ability to help the club so `marooned` (by one point!) at the foot of the table to improve on the `rubbish football`. I can`t see us offering long-term deals so he can get away if things don`t work out.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 16 Aug 12:55
Quote:
weemike, Fri 16 Aug 12:40
Quote:
wee eck, Fri 16 Aug 12:37
Do you really think players are bothered about stuff like that? As long as they think they`ll get paid (if not a loanee) and have a good chance of playing I can`t imagine they`re interested in ownership matters.
Of course they do,
Would you want to sign for a team that`s marooned at the bottom of the league and playing rubbish football with an ownership model which has no interest in the club going forward?
I wouldn`t!
"Marooned" - Two games played.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Fri 16 Aug 14:40
Quote:
weemike, Fri 16 Aug 12:40
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wee eck, Fri 16 Aug 12:37
Do you really think players are bothered about stuff like that? As long as they think they`ll get paid (if not a loanee) and have a good chance of playing I can`t imagine they`re interested in ownership matters.
Of course they do,
Would you want to sign for a team that`s marooned at the bottom of the league and playing rubbish football with an ownership model which has no interest in the club going forward?
I wouldn`t!
If you didn`t have a club and had a mortgage and a family to feed I`m sure you would. The players don`t care aslong as they get a good deal.
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Fri 16 Aug 15:05
Wow, the announce theyāre selling up and making funds available and first thing people think his go bring back Paul Allan, just wow.
If people think heās the answer to our problems then I have no more words.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 16 Aug 15:33
After it was announced Paul Allan wasn`t being awarded a new contract, JMcP gave the impression he would like to have kept him but the financial position prevented this. Although I wondered at the time if this really was the reason, now that additional funds have been made available and the player is too should we expect him to be signed?
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Fri 16 Aug 15:36
Paul Allan is an upgrade on chalmers but heās still not really what we need to turn this around. We need creative players with pace who can make things happen. A decent left back. Also a goalie who is better than Mehmet.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Fri 16 Aug 16:21
We`re gonna end up marooned and the club won`t be sold by end of January
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Fri 16 Aug 17:19
Hard not to argue all of them need replaced based on performances this season.
Be quicker naming who has been on form?
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 16 Aug 17:43
Quote:
Ahoy!Ahoy!, Fri 16 Aug 15:05
Wow, the announce theyāre selling up and making funds available and first thing people think his go bring back Paul Allan, just wow.
If people think heās the answer to our problems then I have no more words.
This was my thoughts.
I wish him all the best but he struggled last season.
COYP
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Fri 16 Aug 17:54
the free agent market up here is very limited, the loan market doesnt scream obvious options either so im not holding my breath in terms of quality or numbers, time will tell if the "resources" are enough to get these "sensible additions" whatever that means.
Post Edited (Fri 16 Aug 17:56)
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Topic Originator: Par-timer
Date: Fri 16 Aug 18:39
I hope that we have made an enquiry about MFW again. He got 20 mins of Cardiffās League Cup win during the week but after the game their manager said that he needs to go out on loan again and ācome back strongerā.
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Topic Originator: CrossPar
Date: Fri 16 Aug 19:15
Quote:
Par-timer, Fri 16 Aug 18:39
I hope that we have made an enquiry about MFW again. He got 20 mins of Cardiffās League Cup win during the week but after the game their manager said that he needs to go out on loan again and ācome back strongerā.
That would be excellent if it happened.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Fri 16 Aug 19:23
Quote:
Par-timer, Fri 16 Aug 18:39
I hope that we have made an enquiry about MFW again. He got 20 mins of Cardiffās League Cup win during the week but after the game their manager said that he needs to go out on loan again and ācome back strongerā.
I`d have him back in a minute but I`d imagine they will be looking for him to go to a higher level.
Apart from the obvious need for a 2nd keeper we are crying out for some pace further forward as others have said so I`m not sure we would be recruiting for MFW`s position.
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Topic Originator: parathletic
Date: Fri 16 Aug 19:28
I wonder if the players we did bring in believed that 44 points and survival was the aim or whether they thought we would be challenging higher up the league with a more competitive squad? Morale must be pretty low just now. Hopefully, we manage to get a couple in and start picking up points sooner rather than later.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sat 17 Aug 00:29
Quote:
wee eck, Fri 16 Aug 12:37
Do you really think players are bothered about stuff like that? As long as they think they`ll get paid (if not a loanee) and have a good chance of playing I can`t imagine they`re interested in ownership matters.
I think they are more bothered about getting assassinated by their own fans before the ink is dry.
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Topic Originator: thebear
Date: Sat 17 Aug 09:33
Keeper and a forward who can kick a ball properly at the goal, beyond that money limits us hugely
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Topic Originator: incognito
Date: Sat 17 Aug 10:51
We wouldn`t pay the money to keep Paul Allan but people believe we might sign MWH that`s under contract and on circa Ā£3000 a week is laughable.
The Germans now have to at the least protect their investment if not improve it if they wish the recover their funds so I fully believe they will bring in a couple of players but its not going to be world beaters it will players to get us off the bottom of the table.
"Did you see what happened to the magic car?
It turned into a street!"
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Topic Originator: fcda
Date: Sat 17 Aug 12:33
The Paul Allen situation - it`s not that we simply couldn`t afford him, it`s that we have a limited budget and choose to spend it on other players.
It sounds like they would have liked to have kept him for another year in case he developed but maybe the money went towards Kane and/or Wotherspoon?
On MFW, I don`t think folk are expecting we can sign him on a permanent deal, just a loan. In that case our contribution depends on the loan arrangement. Cardiff might want him to go on loan at a higher level of course.
Agree with others, defence is probably not the priority.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sat 17 Aug 12:50
Quote:
PARrot, Sat 17 Aug 00:29
Quote:
wee eck, Fri 16 Aug 12:37
Do you really think players are bothered about stuff like that? As long as they think they`ll get paid (if not a loanee) and have a good chance of playing I can`t imagine they`re interested in ownership matters.
I think they are more bothered about getting assassinated by their own fans before the ink is dry.
If your daft enough to read a fan forum when you and the team are playing crap, I really don`t know what to say other than what do you expect?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 17 Aug 16:38
MFW came on as a sub for Cardiff today when they went 0-3 down. Might get a start next time.
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Sat 17 Aug 16:42
A bucket full of sand could legitimately compete with Mehmet for the goalkeeper jersey.
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Topic Originator: piepar
Date: Sat 17 Aug 17:01
Does nobody consider the reason that our management team have had to go for previous teams players is that the manager has had to use the his history to cajole players into playing for us on reduced wages ???
Post Edited (Sat 17 Aug 17:02)
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 17 Aug 18:59
Just putting it out there but Anthony Martial, Adrian Rabiot, Raphael Varane and David De Gea are all without clubs so farā¦
COYP
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Topic Originator: StevenPar77
Date: Sat 17 Aug 19:09
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sat 17 Aug 18:59
Just putting it out there but Anthony Martial, Adrian Rabiot, Raphael Varane and David De Gea are all without clubs so farā¦
Varane signed for Como a couple of weeks ago and de Gea signed for Fiorentina.
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Topic Originator: AlterPar
Date: Sat 17 Aug 20:32
Looking forward to seeing who we sign!
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 17 Aug 22:36
Quote:
StevenPar77, Sat 17 Aug 19:09
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sat 17 Aug 18:59
Just putting it out there but Anthony Martial, Adrian Rabiot, Raphael Varane and David De Gea are all without clubs so farā¦
Varane signed for Como a couple of weeks ago and de Gea signed for Fiorentina.
Aw wellā¦ shows I donāt keep up with much that doesnāt surround Scottish football š¤·š»āāļøš
Still Iām sure Rabiot would push super joe for a starting spot.
Martial seems to be a bit erratic with his form but heās got pace so could play off Kane well
COYP
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 18 Aug 08:12
Piepar do you really beleive that?
Kane, oāhallaran, and wotherspoon are on less wages than they could get elsewhere as mcpake just convinced them to come here for the fresh air rather than the money?
Wotherspoon already ditched us last year for the money. Starting to wonder if oāhallaren has a big fee if he starts a game and Kane is a total gamble that other clubs might not have been prepared to take, espech on a 2 year deal.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: DJAS
Date: Sun 18 Aug 08:18
Quote:
Berkey, Sun 18 Aug 08:12
Piepar do you really beleive that?
Kane, oāhallaran, and wotherspoon are on less wages than they could get elsewhere as mcpake just convinced them to come here for the fresh air rather than the money?
Wotherspoon already ditched us last year for the money. Starting to wonder if oāhallaren has a big fee if he starts a game and Kane is a total gamble that other clubs might not have been prepared to take, espech on a 2 year deal.
Wotherspoon went to ICT for less money than he was offered here.
Predictor league winner 2012/2013
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 18 Aug 08:54
Realistically, we are looking at teenagers from larger clubs, such as Summers etc
I doubt the board will push the boat out ?
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 18 Aug 11:46
DJAS if true (big if) than thatās even worse considering we gave him access to training facilities etc.
I suspect it might have been a higher guaranteed wage at ICT and we wanted a low wage with various bonuses.
If the best we are likely to get is a summers or Moffat type player with zero experience in the menās game then thatās not going to improve our league position. At the moment in time we need both quality and numbers. Not just numbers.
I wouldnāt be surprised to see Jakubiak back if we have the money for more experience, canāt hit a cows worse with a banjo but at least has strength and pace.
Post Edited (Sun 18 Aug 11:49)
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Topic Originator: DJAS
Date: Sun 18 Aug 12:36
Quote:
Berkey, Sun 18 Aug 11:46
DJAS if true (big if) than thatās even worse considering we gave him access to training facilities etc.
I suspect it might have been a higher guaranteed wage at ICT and we wanted a low wage with various bonuses.
If the best we are likely to get is a summers or Moffat type player with zero experience in the menās game then thatās not going to improve our league position. At the moment in time we need both quality and numbers. Not just numbers.
I wouldnāt be surprised to see Jakubiak back if we have the money for more experience, canāt hit a cows worse with a banjo but at least has strength and pace.
No. He left it too long and we moved on . Ended up at ICT when there was no other options. Badly managed between him and agent.
Predictor league winner 2012/2013
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 18 Aug 13:10
More completely unfounded speculation from .nets resident football expert.
Hot air.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: summeragent
Date: Sun 18 Aug 13:42
Quote:
weemike, Thu 15 Aug 20:14
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Andrew283, Thu 15 Aug 20:07
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AdamAntsParsStripe, Thu 15 Aug 20:01
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nick_dafc1, Thu 15 Aug 18:46
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2004Par, Thu 15 Aug 18:44
Resign Paul allan.
If he was good enough, wouldn`t he already have a team in this league?
He was good enough
If he was he`d have a new club. Shame for the boy but that`s facts
Not necessarily. He might`ve turned down offers, one of our better players last season with a higher average Points per game than the squads average without him in it
Paul Allan featured in 27 league matches last season he started 18 and was subbed in 9 times.
We won 9 drew 10 and lost 8,
Average points per game 1.37
The squad played 36. Won 11 drew 12 and lost 13.
Average points per game 1.25
When paul never featured
W2 D2 L5
Average points per game 0.89
He is a decent championship footballer and our squad is currently weaker without him.
That`s the facts.
Post Edited (Thu 15 Aug 20:17)
I agree entirely. Paul worked hard and played well for us last season and shouldnāt have been let go.
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Topic Originator: summeragent
Date: Sun 18 Aug 13:45
Quote:
Parsfangaz, Thu 15 Aug 19:54
Quote:
Berkey, Thu 15 Aug 19:46
Who would want to buy into a club marooned at the bottom of the championship?
Thatās why weāre investing some cash now.
Knowing mcpake Iād expect us to sign Stevie May and Charlie Adam!
āMaroonedā š
Thanks - I will have a pint of lager š¤£š¤£š¤£š
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Sun 18 Aug 14:11
Pars linked with Liam Grimshaw, told he can leave Dundee Utd
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Sun 18 Aug 14:40
Quote:
Bannockburn Par, Sun 18 Aug 14:11
Pars linked with Liam Grimshaw, told he can leave Dundee Utd
That would be a great signing. Although not sure we need a right back. Although he can maybe play midfield.
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Sun 18 Aug 15:15
Considering weāve got 1 RB, and he can also play centre mid where we are also light. It would be a good signing. Whereās he been linked to us as canāt see it anywhere?
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 18 Aug 16:32
Quote:
da_no_1, Sun 18 Aug 13:10
More completely unfounded speculation from .nets resident football expert.
Hot air.
Wish you had wrote that before I read
COYP
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 18 Aug 22:57
Not sure what you mean summer agent?
Unless we start picking up some points the club becomes less valuable every week. If it takes a few months to set up the club could well be adrift at the bottom of the league which might jeopardise the value of the sale. Hence the reason some cash has been made available to try and keep us in the pack.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar
Date: Mon 19 Aug 06:12
Quote:
Berkey, Sun 18 Aug 22:57
Not sure what you mean summer agent?
Unless we start picking up some points the club becomes less valuable every week. If it takes a few months to set up the club could well be adrift at the bottom of the league which might jeopardise the value of the sale. Hence the reason some cash has been made available to try and keep us in the pack.
Ffs Berkey...
Marooned...
Ma roond..
My round..
š¤£
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Topic Originator: OorWullie
Date: Mon 19 Aug 07:36
Josh Cooper expected
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Mon 19 Aug 08:28
Ah I see! š
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Mon 19 Aug 08:30
Josh cooper might be a good move. 7 goals last season from midfield albeit at strirling, safe to assume heās more forward thinking.
Back to the strategy of giving promising youngsters in lower leagues a chance. Strange he hasnāt been snapped up already but we are where we are.
Post Edited (Mon 19 Aug 08:32)
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Topic Originator: OorWullie
Date: Mon 19 Aug 08:51
without a club since 1st July. He has been training with us
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 19 Aug 09:14
Quote:
Berkey, Mon 19 Aug 08:30
Josh cooper might be a good move. 7 goals last season from midfield albeit at strirling, safe to assume heās more forward thinking.
Back to the strategy of giving promising youngsters in lower leagues a chance. Strange he hasnāt been snapped up already but we are where we are.
Didnt Stirling get relegated from League One last year? š¤ any evidence of him being a promising youngster that will thrive in the Champ?
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Mon 19 Aug 09:24
Signing guys like this while letting Paul allan go and not signing owen moffat when he was available on a free could be an indication of how low down the barrel we are scraping.
He could be an upgrade, but it`s looking unlikely.
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Mon 19 Aug 10:42
Hibs have made a 500k bid for Kevin Nisbet
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Topic Originator: parathletic
Date: Mon 19 Aug 12:47
Quote:
saltonsgonagetu, Mon 19 Aug 10:42
Hibs have made a 500k bid for Kevin Nisbet
I`d be surprised to see him back there.You never know but there were talks of him refusing to play when he was there until they agreed to sell him.
He has had a few off-field issues recently, skipping training and also being banned from the squad back in May for a `disciplinary issue`.
I wonder if now he has made some money if he has lost some of the desire? At 500k, he could be worth a punt for them, though if they can get him fit.
Post Edited (Mon 19 Aug 12:48)
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Mon 19 Aug 13:27
Could well be right about Kevin Nisbets attitude, he admits himself his attitude wasn`t right when he was younger. When he joined Raith Rovers he was probably thinking if this doesn`t work out it will be part time football next. He managed to screw the nut and get 3 successive moves to bigger clubs and international recognition, you do wonder if he now thinks he`s `made it` and has taken his foot off the gas again.
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Mon 19 Aug 13:48
"without a club since 1st July. He has been training with us"
fits our Ā£200 a week contract model
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Mon 19 Aug 18:01
I mean Josh cooper might not be good enough but itās worth a shot, its better to try someone who might be good enough than the persevere with players who we know are not good enough.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 19 Aug 18:05
Congratulations on being appointed fans spokesman.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 19 Aug 18:07
Do we get `add-ons` if Kevin Nisbet comes back to Hibs? ššš
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Mon 19 Aug 18:15
Quote:
Berkey, Mon 19 Aug 18:01
I mean Josh cooper might not be good enough but itās worth a shot, its better to try someone who might be good enough than the persevere with players who we know are not good enough.
Thatās the right tactics, letās just have a puntā¦.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 19 Aug 18:22
If the lad has been training with us it`s not exactly `taking a punt` if we decide he`s worth a contract. I don`t know anything of his history but presumably he was part-time with Stirling. Full-time training itself may help him improve.
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Mon 19 Aug 18:35
Quote:
wee eck, Mon 19 Aug 18:07
Do we get `add-ons` if Kevin Nisbet comes back to Hibs? ššš
We will be due 1/4 of 5% Nisbets transfer fee from Millwall.
Post Edited (Mon 19 Aug 18:39)
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 19 Aug 19:05
Quote:
Playup_Pompey, Mon 19 Aug 13:48
"without a club since 1st July. He has been training with us"
fits our Ā£200 a week contract model
My thoughts on this as well. Going after players that are part time and were in a relegated team from League One last year isnāt exactly awe inspiring.
The last one we had on trial that we offered a contract to we couldnāt even register and decided we would rather be without a back up goalieā¦ā¦
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Mon 19 Aug 20:09
Quote:
wee eck, Mon 19 Aug 18:22
If the lad has been training with us it`s not exactly `taking a punt` if we decide he`s worth a contract. I don`t know anything of his history but presumably he was part-time with Stirling. Full-time training itself may help him improve.
Iām more referencing the āhe may not be good enough but worth a shotā comment from Berkey.
For someone whoās complained quite excessively about the state of our playing squad, adopting that kind of principle seems at bit at odds.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Mon 19 Aug 22:13
Well itās a week since we were told thereās money available and at this point the lad is the only name Iāve seen mentioned. Itās that desperate to see someone come in.
He has been training with us so at least mcpake will have seen him close up. Although even that doesnāt exactly fill me with confidence.
Anything is better than nothing, whoās left thatās not under contract and free?
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 19 Aug 22:54
5pm on Thursday. This is Monday.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 19 Aug 23:02
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 19 Aug 22:54
5pm on Thursday. This is Monday.
To be fair, we will have had a 2 week gap between fixtures to get some names in - I dont see it happening now. Disappointing to say the least.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 19 Aug 23:09
Quote:
Dave_1885, Mon 19 Aug 23:02
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da_no_1, Mon 19 Aug 22:54
5pm on Thursday. This is Monday.
To be fair, we will have had a 2 week gap between fixtures to get some names in - I dont see it happening now. Disappointing to say the least.
I do see it happening but I`ve no doubt even when it does you`ll still be disappointed.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 19 Aug 23:15
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 19 Aug 23:09
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Dave_1885, Mon 19 Aug 23:02
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da_no_1, Mon 19 Aug 22:54
5pm on Thursday. This is Monday.
To be fair, we will have had a 2 week gap between fixtures to get some names in - I dont see it happening now. Disappointing to say the least.
I do see it happening but I`ve no doubt even when it does you`ll still be disappointed.
What you may have missed over the years DA is that I may be sceptical about certain signings etc but always allow them a chance to prove themself.
I donāt think Ive ever been disappointed with us making signings until after they have shown themself on the park. But the current situation does require us to make the right signings to move us forward. Now is not the time to throw the eggs into the development basket.
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Topic Originator: DNCH
Date: Tue 20 Aug 04:02
I`m sure there`ll be a willing contender to jump down my throat for suggesting this but what about a player like Gary Mackay-Steven on loan? He`s at Killie but he`s very much a squad player. His skill, talent and attacking flare might help inspire confidence in the forwards?
Just a thought. Looking forward to being slaughtered.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Tue 20 Aug 07:47
Would be excellent, I think? Left sided too.
Big problem would be the wages. It seems we can`t offer enough to tempt young teenage goalies, so GMS would likely be outside of a "sensible" signing?
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: parathletic
Date: Tue 20 Aug 08:58
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DNCH, Tue 20 Aug 04:02
I`m sure there`ll be a willing contender to jump down my throat for suggesting this but what about a player like Gary Mackay-Steven on loan? He`s at Killie but he`s very much a squad player. His skill, talent and attacking flare might help inspire confidence in the forwards?
Just a thought. Looking forward to being slaughtered.
He just signed a new 1 year contract with them in May.Good player on his day but suffered with injuries over the last few years.
Post Edited (Tue 20 Aug 08:58)
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Topic Originator: Parsdaft
Date: Tue 20 Aug 09:59
Nisbet to Aberdeen
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Tue 20 Aug 10:12
Will Fish ex hibe loaned, leaves Man United signs for Cardiff , less chance of Fagan Walcott getting game time .
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Tue 20 Aug 11:38
Itās worrying that weāre over a week down the line with no players signed. I hope we get business done but wouldnāt be surprised to see no one come in.
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Tue 20 Aug 11:39
"whoās left thatās not under contract and free?"
Fenton, Allan, Jakubiak...
Tony Gallacher, Kerr McInroy, Stuart McKinstry, Gabby McGill
there are a few others that are either out of our league or not good enough.
down south there will still be a few if looking further afield.
if Josh Cooper is the level being looked at though, can forget any of those...
Post Edited (Tue 20 Aug 11:55)
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Tue 20 Aug 12:00
The "funds" will be used to accommodate loan signings. The outgoing board have made it clear they are not willing to spend money. They have probably exhausted most of the funds they had available for this project of their`s.
The level of our club was probably too high for their budget.
They would`ve been better trying it at kelty hearts of east fife.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 20 Aug 12:38
I don`t understand that comment. Signings cost money whether they are loans or contract signings surely?
They probably put around Ā£2m into the club. If our level is `too high` for them how likely is it we`re going to find an alternative who can afford to finance us?
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 20 Aug 13:18
Gabby McGill wouldn`t be a bad shout. Surprised Airdrie let him go.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Tue 20 Aug 13:57
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wee eck, Tue 20 Aug 12:38
I don`t understand that comment. Signings cost money whether they are loans or contract signings surely?
They probably put around Ā£2m into the club. If our level is `too high` for them how likely is it we`re going to find an alternative who can afford to finance us?
Our level and the budget required to do what they wanted was too high. They probably needed 5/6 mil to do everything they wanted and keep us competitive for the 5/10 years required. A smaller club like east fife might have been able to professionalise, training ground etc and maintain a first team at league 1/2 for 5/10 years at 2/3 mil.
The funds allocated for signings will be for accommodation costs for loan signings, which we are not paying full wages/signing on fees for. That`ll be our lot till they sell up.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 20 Aug 14:25
How can you possibly know the full cost of their plans was `probably` 5/6 million and the financial capacity of a club like East Fife? Did you prepare a business plan? If only the expertise available on this forum was available FOC to the club. Think of the money we would save. I remember thinking the same about the medical expertise available on social media during the COVID pandemic.
As for the cost of signings, not all loanees require accommodation.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Tue 20 Aug 14:48
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wee eck, Tue 20 Aug 14:25
How can you possibly know the full cost of their plans was `probably` 5/6 million and the financial capacity of a club like East Fife? Did you prepare a business plan? If only the expertise available on this forum was available FOC to the club. Think of the money we would save. I remember thinking the same about the medical expertise available on social media during the COVID pandemic.
As for the cost of signings, not all loanees require accommodation.
You`re quite argumentative today eh?
It`s quite obvious that 2 mil wasn`t enough and seeing as we are 4/5 years into their failed reign as owners. Therefore, it`s not unreasonable to guess the total cost would be around double that.
While not all loanees will require accommodation, most will. And almost all of them will want expenses etc covered.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 20 Aug 14:54
I`m always sceptical about people who are convinced they are right - usually based on limited knowledge and information - so don`t expect me to stop any time soon.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Tue 20 Aug 15:06
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wee eck, Tue 20 Aug 14:54
I`m always sceptical about people who are convinced they are right - usually based on limited knowledge and information - so don`t expect me to stop any time soon.
I`m not convinced, hence the word "probably" and bear in mind we are looking at this in hindsight. So it`s easier to judge.
I am convinced their attack on the fans is just a smokescreen because they`ve made a mess of the task at hand and won`t admit they underestimated the level of investment required.
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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar
Date: Tue 20 Aug 15:10
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wee eck, Tue 20 Aug 14:54
I`m always sceptical about people who are convinced they are right - usually based on limited knowledge and information - so don`t expect me to stop any time soon.
You only assume that it is based on limited knowledge and information and therefore you tend to put everyone who comments into the same pool even when there are some on here who do have the correct information.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 20 Aug 15:31
Well how are those of us who are mere spectators supposed to know who is in possession of correct information and who isn`t? A lot of the `inside information` on here is contradictory.
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Topic Originator: AlterPar
Date: Tue 20 Aug 15:33
Available players right enough
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 20 Aug 17:20
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wee eck, Tue 20 Aug 15:31
Well how are those of us who are mere spectators supposed to know who is in possession of correct information and who isn`t? A lot of the `inside information` on here is contradictory.
Probably because senior people in the club won`t typically tell their mates or randoms in the pub the truth or full story even if best pals.
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Tue 20 Aug 17:26
Of course the German owners didn`t have or won`t fund the Pars project properly, we have a training ground that can`t be hired out ,can`t be used for the reserves , and a first team operating without a back up keeper through the league cup section, and are struggling to recruit Div 1 players .
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Topic Originator: fergie
Date: Tue 20 Aug 20:23
How about Stuart McKinstry that was mentioned in the papers today as looking for a club? Could be out of our reach, but it`s worth asking after methinks
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Wed 21 Aug 08:47
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wee eck, Tue 20 Aug 14:54
I`m always sceptical about people who are convinced they are right - usually based on limited knowledge and information - so don`t expect me to stop any time soon.
Oh the irony
Anyway what he is saying is if they tried the project with a smaller club then the demands of the fans would be less, meaning they would be able to develop an infrastructure project without being seen to be the detriment of the first team.
If they had looked at the performance of DAFC they would see that they are a 2nd tier yo-yo team with dips into 3rd tier so the expectations of the fan base would at the minimum be second tier. If they could not afford to maintain that level while building infrastructure then obviously the relationship would fracture and impact income.
Clearly even with limited information they do not have the funds to do both or we would have things like a 2nd goalkeeper or a team that looks vaguely capable of competing int he division.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 21 Aug 08:59
My frustration is that fans never have sufficient information to make a rational judgement on these decisions so I would never claim to be right about them. There`s an awful lot of wisdom after the event being expressed on here.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 21 Aug 09:09
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wee eck, Wed 21 Aug 08:59
My frustration is that fans never have sufficient information to make a rational judgement on these decisions so I would never claim to be right about them. There`s an awful lot of wisdom after the event being expressed on here.
Therese plenty of information and evidence out there for the world to see that the investor group has got it wildly wrong in terms of the costs required to make us competitive in this league.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 21 Aug 09:26
They might argue that we were competitive, even last season despite unprecedented injuries.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Wed 21 Aug 09:35
They can argue that legitimately. Especially if we survive this season and they don`t find a buyer. But the statement issued has burnt bridges, and it was very damning.
It`s a shame really.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 21 Aug 11:10
Quote:
P, Wed 21 Aug 08:47
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wee eck, Tue 20 Aug 14:54
I`m always sceptical about people who are convinced they are right - usually based on limited knowledge and information - so don`t expect me to stop any time soon.
Oh the irony
Anyway what he is saying is if they tried the project with a smaller club then the demands of the fans would be less, meaning they would be able to develop an infrastructure project without being seen to be the detriment of the first team.
If they had looked at the performance of DAFC they would see that they are a 2nd tier yo-yo team with dips into 3rd tier so the expectations of the fan base would at the minimum be second tier. If they could not afford to maintain that level while building infrastructure then obviously the relationship would fracture and impact income.
Clearly even with limited information they do not have the funds to do both or we would have things like a 2nd goalkeeper or a team that looks vaguely capable of competing int he division.
Or they looked and saw an incredibly well supported team with low overheads who were clearly underperforming. Unfortunately, you need to spend decent sums of money to build up that consistency. The statement they released suggested fans wanted money thrown at the club but the reality is all most fans want is incremental improvements. We were a pretty consistent Championship side but got relegated and spent last season looking like relegation fodder. This season it appears almost guaranteed we`ll be relegated again and it`ll cost more to support a promotion campaign than to build a mid-table championship team.
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Topic Originator: The Boss
Date: Wed 21 Aug 11:27
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wee eck, Wed 21 Aug 08:59
My frustration is that fans never have sufficient information to make a rational judgement on these decisions so I would never claim to be right about them. There`s an awful lot of wisdom after the event being expressed on here.
There were also a lot of fans that werenāt happy with this experiment to begin with, including myself. Weāve been getting short changed for a while.
Wee eck, Even when theyāve publicly come out slating the fans for their failed experiment youāre still standing by them. I bet you also defended Masterton to the end.
I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 21 Aug 11:39
I`m not `standing by` anyone. I`m saying there are still an awful lot of unanswered questions. If you don`t go along with the party line on here you`re labelled as some sort of freak - `you`re either for us or against us`. It`s a lynch mob mentality.
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Wed 21 Aug 11:44
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 21 Aug 09:26
They might argue that we were competitive, even last season despite unprecedented injuries.
Their definition of competitive clearly differed from the general fan view of competitive at this level. Before they fully were on board, the club was in a good position in 4th, just needing a little more help to push us up to 2nd/3rd or past the first round of the playoffs.
Now, we`ve been relegated and having come back up, to McPake`s credit of turning that squad around in league 1, we were only 3 points off the relegation playoffs last season. This squad is also worse than what we finished with by some distance in what looks to be a more competitive league.
Nobody was ever asking for huge sums to be spent on the first team, but they certainly have allowed it to stagnate and have not looked to improve it year on year whilst most of the league has strengthened
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Topic Originator: StevenPar77
Date: Wed 21 Aug 12:04
Stevie May set to sign for Livi.
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Topic Originator: Alf
Date: Thu 22 Aug 16:32
Quote:
AlterPar, Tue 20 Aug 15:33
Available players right enough
I presume you will be apologising?
Post Edited (Thu 22 Aug 16:33)
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Topic Originator: AlterPar
Date: Thu 22 Aug 17:21
I was referring to the conversation on the thread being nothing at all to do with available players. So bite it.
Post Edited (Thu 22 Aug 17:23)
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Topic Originator: Alf
Date: Thu 22 Aug 17:25
Quote:
Alter Ego, Thu 15 Aug 19:32
The club is up for sale so there is no cash and funds. Why would they invest anymore money???
Aye OK,
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Topic Originator: Alf
Date: Thu 22 Aug 17:26
Quote:
Alter Ego, Thu 15 Aug 21:11
Jesus the club is put up for sale and everyone thinks there is money for any players to be brought in?? Thatās them done and waiting for a sale.
Wrong again
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 22 Aug 17:33
Quote:
Alf, Thu 22 Aug 17:26
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Alter Ego, Thu 15 Aug 21:11
Jesus the club is put up for sale and everyone thinks there is money for any players to be brought in?? Thatās them done and waiting for a sale.
Wrong again
Do you factually know that we are paying Celtic anything for the loan? Just wondering btw šš»
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 22 Aug 17:55
Quote:
Dave_1885, Thu 22 Aug 17:33
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Alf, Thu 22 Aug 17:26
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Alter Ego, Thu 15 Aug 21:11
Jesus the club is put up for sale and everyone thinks there is money for any players to be brought in?? Thatās them done and waiting for a sale.
Wrong again
Do you factually know that we are paying Celtic anything for the loan? Just wondering btw šš»
Do you actually no we`re not? Just wondering btw
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: AlterPar
Date: Thu 22 Aug 17:56
You do realise that this was Alter Ego that posted these comments, not me. You should pay a little more attention.
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Fri 23 Aug 12:15
12:09Scott Burns
Pars to land Cooper
Dunfermline Athletic have agreed a deal to sign Josh Cooper.
The midfielder is set to pen a deal at East End Park for the season. The 21-year-old moves to Fife from Stirling Albion.
Cooper has been training with the Pars all summer. Manager James McPake had to free up budget before he could get a deal done.
Cooper was outstanding in a recent closed door game with Livingston and now a contract has been finalised.
Cooper is likely to go into the squad for tomorrowās clash with Hamilton.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 23 Aug 12:33
Quote:
GJS93, Fri 23 Aug 12:15
12:09Scott Burns
Pars to land Cooper
Dunfermline Athletic have agreed a deal to sign Josh Cooper.
The midfielder is set to pen a deal at East End Park for the season. The 21-year-old moves to Fife from Stirling Albion.
Cooper has been training with the Pars all summer. Manager James McPake had to free up budget before he could get a deal done.
Cooper was outstanding in a recent closed door game with Livingston and now a contract has been finalised.
Cooper is likely to go into the squad for tomorrowās clash with Hamilton.
Hopefully he does well šš» what budget has McPake freed up though for this to go through exactly? š¤
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 23 Aug 12:40
Presumably it has come out of the additional funds announced in the Gmbh statement.
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Topic Originator: LEGEND85
Date: Fri 23 Aug 12:47
Quote:
wee eck, Fri 23 Aug 12:40
Presumably it has come out of the additional funds announced in the Gmbh statement.
Sounds like they`ve emptied the piggy bank then
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 23 Aug 12:51
Does anyone know how much went in and how much has come out?
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Fri 23 Aug 16:46
No playing budget has been freed up? Unless loan has been agreed for one of our players and yet to be announced or itās a back room person who has left?
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 23 Aug 19:28
I hate to hit a negative note (!) but that could mean just one more signing - either by tomorrow or, if not, by next week.
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Fri 23 Aug 20:35
same interview, different quote, this time in the Press
Asked if the fans could expect more new recruits, Athletic boss James McPake said: "Hopefully, yeah.
"In time for tomorrow? Iām hopeful. If not then certainly early next week, one or two.ā
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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar
Date: Fri 23 Aug 22:17
Quote:
wee eck, Fri 23 Aug 19:28
I hate to hit a negative note (!) but that could mean just one more signing - either by tomorrow or, if not, by next week.
If, buts and maybes............
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 23 Aug 22:23
It did suggest a specific target or targets rather than just wishful thinking though.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Fri 23 Aug 23:13
A Celtic loanee, according to a well kent face at EEP that I had the good fortune or mis fortune.. of talking to in Coadys todayā¦ā¦..
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Sat 24 Aug 11:41
all seems a bit foggy at the moment, see what next week brings.
wonder if might see the likes of Young going out on loan too
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 24 Aug 13:33
Another youngster from Celtic?
Does mcpake only know like 3 folk in fitba?
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 24 Aug 13:39
McPake in the Courier saying following on from Josh and Toby more signings are expected next weekā¦ Iāll believe it when I see it but itās certainly a positive sign
COYP
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Sat 24 Aug 14:42
Quote:
GJS93, Sat 24 Aug 11:41
all seems a bit foggy at the moment, see what next week brings.
wonder if might see the likes of Young going out on loan too
Good clue. Looks like the other new boy is on the benchā¦.. number 16.
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Sat 24 Aug 15:39
The way we are playing at present and gifting teams goals , we probably need a complete New team
We certainly need goal scorers because at present we couldn`t score in a Brothel
happy to be proven wrong ( regarding the goals )
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 24 Aug 15:46
Wrang thread
āBuffyās Buns are the finest in Fifeā, J. Spence 2019ā
Post Edited (Sat 24 Aug 15:47)
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Topic Originator: summeragent
Date: Sat 24 Aug 19:16
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Berkey, Sun 18 Aug 22:57
Not sure what you mean summer agent?
Unless we start picking up some points the club becomes less valuable every week. If it takes a few months to set up the club could well be adrift at the bottom of the league which might jeopardise the value of the sale. Hence the reason some cash has been made available to try and keep us in the pack.
Marooned = my round - Just my SOH!! š¤£š¤£
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Sat 24 Aug 19:40
thought i might get maybe a day out of it Kdy_Par but not to be.
it wont happen but we really need a lot more changes, in and out, whether its before the normal window closes or beyond.
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Topic Originator: bannerpar
Date: Sun 25 Aug 09:21
The BBC are reporting that St Johnstone have decided to let 22 year old Max Kucheriavyi, who will be out of contact next summer, leave Mcdiarmid Park on loan. Has that one got you thinking Berkey?
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Topic Originator: JimDAFC
Date: Sun 25 Aug 09:57
We could bring in 11 new players but don`t think it would make any difference if we keep on playing in the same style of football we are at present.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 25 Aug 10:04
I think Dave Mackay had left SJ before Max arrived so he doesn`t fit the required criteria.
The lad has an interesting story though. Craig Levein spotted him playing in Kiyv when he was there to watch a European match and offered him facilities at Hearts. He used to make regular trips between Kiyv and Edinburgh for training and coaching. When Levein left Hearts they let him go and SJ picked him up. He`s had loan spells at Brechin, Kelty and Falkirk. I think it`s fair to say he hasn`t quite fulfilled the potential Craig Levein first saw in him.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sun 25 Aug 10:12
Quote:
JimDAFC, Sun 25 Aug 09:57
We could bring in 11 new players but don`t think it would make any difference if we keep on playing in the same style of football we are at present.
Correct. It`s getting to the point where careers are being stagnated. Otoo, Todd Allan, sutherland, McCann etc are all going to go nowhere playing for mcpake.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 25 Aug 10:24
That`s a bit harsh. Edwards got a move to Charlton and Otoo has attracted attention from Crawley. Allan should be able to kick on now that he`s free of McPake by your argument.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sun 25 Aug 10:37
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 25 Aug 10:24
That`s a bit harsh. Edwards got a move to Charlton and Otoo has attracted attention from Crawley. Allan should be able to kick on now that he`s free of McPake by your argument.
It`s not harsh, Allan will kick on. Edwards will go on to improve drastically. The rest are not fulfilling their potential.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 25 Aug 10:56
Edwards should improve by playing at a higher level not because McPake held him back. We`ll have to see how Allan does but he`s now in League 1.
I wouldn`t say McPake`s main fault was a failure to improve players but you are so against the guy you give him no credit at all.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sun 25 Aug 11:38
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 25 Aug 10:56
Edwards should improve by playing at a higher level not because McPake held him back. We`ll have to see how Allan does but he`s now in League 1.
I wouldn`t say McPake`s main fault was a failure to improve players but you are so against the guy you give him no credit at all.
I never said that was his main fault.
But it`s a by-product of playing for him in this style. The players are not performing and haven`t been for 12 months, really. That`s 5% of a players career. it`s pretty much wasted add in this season, and it`s 10% (if they have a 20-year career)
It`s hard to give him credit. Yes, he won League one. But he should have. Yes, we stayed up last season, but performances were not great by any stretch of the imagination.
Morton and QP at East End, the worst I have seen in 35 years.
Let`s add to that Cove and Forfar.
His job is to win football matches and develop players. He is failing on both counts, and that`s not harsh.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sun 25 Aug 11:39
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wee eck, Sun 25 Aug 10:24
That`s a bit harsh. Edwards got a move to Charlton and Otoo has attracted attention from Crawley. Allan should be able to kick on now that he`s free of McPake by your argument.
I don`t think this is harsh at all, I`m struggling to think of any players who have improved under McPake. Edwards main improvement came under Stevie Crawford (like many others), he`s been treading water since. I was actually frustrated that his improvement seemed to have stalled
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sun 25 Aug 11:43
Eck. That first team yesterday should beat Hamilton comfortably. As I`ve said umpteen times before.
You can spot a well trained, well drilled team a mile off.
We are nowhere near it.
It`s actually scandalous.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 25 Aug 11:58
I wish it was as simple as that, mike. Would you say Airdrie, Partick and the Rovers were well-drilled sides under McCabe, Doolan and Murray? Most fans would have said yes before the season started and praised their recruitment. What`s gone wrong there? There are probably lots of factors at play but the simple answer is to blame the manager. I bet McCabe and Doolan are getting pelters on their fans` forums.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sun 25 Aug 12:18
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 25 Aug 11:58
I wish it was as simple as that, mike. Would you say Airdrie, Partick and the Rovers were well-drilled sides under McCabe, Doolan and Murray? Most fans would have said yes before the season started and praised their recruitment. What`s gone wrong there? There are probably lots of factors at play but the simple answer is to blame the manager. I bet McCabe and Doolan are getting pelters on their fans` forums.
I bet they are,
But with us, it`s been for his WHOLE tenure.
Add to that the comments about his previous position, and it seems to be systematic of his style.
We had a junior sprint champion on our books at CB 2nd half of last season. He`s probably one of the fastest players in Scotland. Did we play a higher line and take more risks? No. That, to me, tells me that he isn`t willing to play to players` strengths.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 25 Aug 14:04
Quote:
weemike, Sun 25 Aug 12:18
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wee eck, Sun 25 Aug 11:58
I wish it was as simple as that, mike. Would you say Airdrie, Partick and the Rovers were well-drilled sides under McCabe, Doolan and Murray? Most fans would have said yes before the season started and praised their recruitment. What`s gone wrong there? There are probably lots of factors at play but the simple answer is to blame the manager. I bet McCabe and Doolan are getting pelters on their fans` forums.
I bet they are,
But with us, it`s been for his WHOLE tenure.
Add to that the comments about his previous position, and it seems to be systematic of his style.
We had a junior sprint champion on our books at CB 2nd half of last season. He`s probably one of the fastest players in Scotland. Did we play a higher line and take more risks? No. That, to me, tells me that he isn`t willing to play to players` strengths.
Who was the junior sprint champion?
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sun 25 Aug 14:34
Malachi Fagan-walcott,
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Topic Originator: Par
Date: Sun 25 Aug 15:08
MFW not in the Cardiff squad for the South Wales Derby today
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Topic Originator: DJAS
Date: Sun 25 Aug 15:10
Quote:
Par, Sun 25 Aug 15:08
MFW not in the Cardiff squad for the South Wales Derby today
They confirmed he was going out on loan.
Predictor league winner 2012/2013
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 25 Aug 15:30
Quote:
weemike, Sun 25 Aug 14:34
Malachi Fagan-walcott,
Thatās great but absolutely nobody else in the back line has any pace whatsoever and weād need to change the way the team as a whole defended to accommodate it - while weāve got 9 first team players sitting in the stand injured.
MFW played well for us and we got what we needed from him. Putting the rest of the team and him under pressure by changing how we defended would have been a huge risk - that we wouldnāt have needed to make.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Sun 25 Aug 15:34
MFW would be a great addition if we can get him back. He has a few goals in him. The championship is a good competitive league for him to develop. He would improve with a full season under his belt in my view.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 25 Aug 15:46
Quote:
Indiapar, Sun 25 Aug 15:34
MFW would be a great addition if we can get him back. He has a few goals in him. The championship is a good competitive league for him to develop. He would improve with a full season under his belt in my view.
I agree! I just wonder if Cardiff would want him in a higher level?
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Topic Originator: Par
Date: Sun 25 Aug 15:52
Watching the Cardiff game, they will be preparing him to play in the English 1st Division next season
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sun 25 Aug 17:06
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sun 25 Aug 15:30
Quote:
weemike, Sun 25 Aug 14:34
Malachi Fagan-walcott,
Thatās great but absolutely nobody else in the back line has any pace whatsoever and weād need to change the way the team as a whole defended to accommodate it - while weāve got 9 first team players sitting in the stand injured.
MFW played well for us and we got what we needed from him. Putting the rest of the team and him under pressure by changing how we defended would have been a huge risk - that we wouldnāt have needed to make.
Nonsense. the whole team was playing rubbish for most of his time here. You utilise your players strengths,one of his is his pace. He looked like he was coasting up here because he was.
If someone springs your highline, you know you got pace there to stop/disrupt them while the rest catch back up with play.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 25 Aug 17:08
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 25 Aug 10:56
Edwards should improve by playing at a higher level not because McPake held him back. We`ll have to see how Allan does but he`s now in League 1.
I wouldn`t say McPake`s main fault was a failure to improve players but you are so against the guy you give him no credit at all.
We are at the bottom of the league without scoring goals? What credit can we give to the guy.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Sun 25 Aug 17:22
still need a left back option and a centre midfielder.
anyone that leaves would need replaced also, in most cases like for like.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 25 Aug 17:46
If only the club was run by some of the experts on here. They wouldn`t have appointed McPake despite the fact he got Dundee promoted to the Premiership. I wonder if their choice would have got us out of League 1 in one season and safe in the Championship last season despite a horrific injury list? We`ll never know of course.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sun 25 Aug 17:50
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 25 Aug 17:46
If only the club was run by some of the experts on here. They wouldn`t have appointed McPake despite the fact he got Dundee promoted to the Premiership. I wonder if their choice would have got us out of League 1 in one season and safe in the Championship last season despite a horrific injury list? We`ll never know of course.
Absolute broken record. Find me a Dundee fan that was ever happy with him as manager. His football is torture, his team building laughable.
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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar
Date: Sun 25 Aug 17:56
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 25 Aug 17:46
If only the club was run by some of the experts on here. They wouldn`t have appointed McPake despite the fact he got Dundee promoted to the Premiership. I wonder if their choice would have got us out of League 1 in one season and safe in the Championship last season despite a horrific injury list? We`ll never know of course.
So no opinions allowed then..........š¤¦āāļø
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sun 25 Aug 18:05
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 25 Aug 17:46
If only the club was run by some of the experts on here. They wouldn`t have appointed McPake despite the fact he got Dundee promoted to the Premiership. I wonder if their choice would have got us out of League 1 in one season and safe in the Championship last season despite a horrific injury list? We`ll never know of course.
Eck. The manager is p!sh. Did you see the Morton,QP,Forfar, and Cove games? The squad are downing tools. It`s over, and so will our championship status be if we don`t act now.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 25 Aug 18:06
Of course opinions are allowed. Where have I suggested otherwise? Have I got to agree with yours but you don`t have to agree with mine?
All I`m saying is a manager`s entire career record shouldn`t be trashed because he has a poor start to a season. Should Rovers have appointed Ian Murray in the first place? At what point will Rhys McCabe`s record at Airdrie be called into question? Most managers` careers end in failure. It doesn`t mean they were total failures the whole time.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sun 25 Aug 18:08
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 25 Aug 18:06
Of course opinions are allowed. Where have I suggested otherwise? Have I got to agree with yours but you don`t have to agree with mine?
All I`m saying is a manager`s entire career record shouldn`t be trashed because he has a poor start to a season. Should Rovers have appointed Ian Murray in the first place? At what point will Rhys McCabe`s record at Airdrie be called into question? Most managers` careers end in failure. It doesn`t mean they were total failures the whole time.
We have been dire since the beginning of the year. It`s been a lot longer than the start of the season. Add to that the league Cup. He can`t get us motivated. It`s over.
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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar
Date: Sun 25 Aug 18:11
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 25 Aug 18:06
Of course opinions are allowed. Where have I suggested otherwise? Have I got to agree with yours but you don`t have to agree with mine?
All I`m saying is a manager`s entire career record shouldn`t be trashed because he has a poor start to a season. Should Rovers have appointed Ian Murray in the first place? At what point will Rhys McCabe`s record at Airdrie be called into question? Most managers` careers end in failure. It doesn`t mean they were total failures the whole time.
You haven`t suggested anything which is kind of the problem, just a disagreement with no substance until you followed it up with your next post in which you gave a reasoned differing opinion to which I agree partly with ......
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 25 Aug 18:12
Wee mike, we actually recovered from the Morton and QP disasters. I agree the Forfar and Cove performances and results were two of the worst I`ve seen but we have to move on now. I don`t think the players have downed tools. I`m not a great fan of clapping the team after a defeat but in the main the fans yesterday seemed to be happy with the effort, especially in the second half.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 25 Aug 18:15
I`m sorry you`ve lost me, alwaysaPar. Debating on the internet isn`t ideal.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sun 25 Aug 18:23
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 25 Aug 18:12
Wee mike, we actually recovered from the Morton and QP disasters. I agree the Forfar and Cove performances and results were two of the worst I`ve seen but we have to move on now. I don`t think the players have downed tools. I`m not a great fan of clapping the team after a defeat but in the main the fans yesterday seemed to be happy with the effort, especially in the second half.
We don`t have to move on, as we keep losing and playing badly in the process.
To me, the Morton and QP performances were unforgivable.
The Cove and Forfar performances were almost expected.
And I fully expect us to go down with an almost record lowest points/goals totals.
Somethings gotta change.
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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar
Date: Sun 25 Aug 18:23
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 25 Aug 18:15
I`m sorry you`ve lost me, alwaysaPar. Debating on the internet isn`t ideal.
That`s understandable, and where it always falls apart, people just having reactionary replies instead of actually engaging in proper formal discussion...
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 25 Aug 18:29
Surely weāll do better than Brechin did wee Mike!
We are setting up exactly the same as the did in this league though and itās giving us the same results.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 25 Aug 18:30
Quote:
weemike, Sun 25 Aug 17:06
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sun 25 Aug 15:30
Quote:
weemike, Sun 25 Aug 14:34
Malachi Fagan-walcott,
Thatās great but absolutely nobody else in the back line has any pace whatsoever and weād need to change the way the team as a whole defended to accommodate it - while weāve got 9 first team players sitting in the stand injured.
MFW played well for us and we got what we needed from him. Putting the rest of the team and him under pressure by changing how we defended would have been a huge risk - that we wouldnāt have needed to make.
Nonsense. the whole team was playing rubbish for most of his time here. You utilise your players strengths,one of his is his pace. He looked like he was coasting up here because he was.
If someone springs your highline, you know you got pace there to stop/disrupt them while the rest catch back up with play.
You should send in your CV mate, I think weāre going to need a manager soon. Iām 100% certain with your knowledge and understanding of springing back lines, weāll be absolutely golden like. I think your plan to build the whole teams defensive unit around a loan signing thatās going to be with you for months is a rock solid plan like. Doesnāt matter the strengths and weaknesses of the players roundabout him
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Topic Originator: The Boss
Date: Sun 25 Aug 18:46
It doesnāt matter what players we sign. Theyāll be set up the same way. Itās absolutely torture. We have to be the worst team to watch in Scotland, maybe even Britain.
I donāt want to see pen gifs or statements telling us nothing. The only thing I want to read from the club is that McPake is sacked.
Ayr on Saturday is just another inevitability.
I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sun 25 Aug 18:57
You should send in your CV mate, I think weāre going to need a manager soon. Iām 100% certain with your knowledge and understanding of springing back lines, weāll be absolutely golden like. I think your plan to build the whole teams defensive unit around a loan signing thatās going to be with you for months is a rock solid plan like. Doesnāt matter the strengths and weaknesses of the players roundabout him
OK. By that logic, then you wouldn`t use a new strikers blistering pace to spring offside traps even though the rest of the squad are not used to playing alongside him.
It`s not reinventing the wheel....its being 5-10 yards further up the pitch and playing in a more positive manner as a result, knowing you`ve got a safety net of someone rapid in the back line.
And as for taking the p!ss outta my knowledge....you didn`t even know he was fast until this afternoon.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 25 Aug 19:58
Quote:
weemike, Sun 25 Aug 18:57
You should send in your CV mate, I think weāre going to need a manager soon. Iām 100% certain with your knowledge and understanding of springing back lines, weāll be absolutely golden like. I think your plan to build the whole teams defensive unit around a loan signing thatās going to be with you for months is a rock solid plan like. Doesnāt matter the strengths and weaknesses of the players roundabout him
OK. By that logic, then you wouldn`t use a new strikers blistering pace to spring offside traps even though the rest of the squad are not used to playing alongside him.
It`s not reinventing the wheel....its being 5-10 yards further up the pitch and playing in a more positive manner as a result, knowing you`ve got a safety net of someone rapid in the back line.
And as for taking the p!ss outta my knowledge....you didn`t even know he was fast until this afternoon.
Why are you comparing defending and attacking? Literally opposite ends of the spectrum.
All Iāve said is I wouldnāt change the entire way the team defends. Which going by results, turned out to be the correct decision.
Iām getting the feeling you donāt like other peopleās opinions?
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 25 Aug 19:59
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 25 Aug 17:46
If only the club was run by some of the experts on here. They wouldn`t have appointed McPake despite the fact he got Dundee promoted to the Premiership. I wonder if their choice would have got us out of League 1 in one season and safe in the Championship last season despite a horrific injury list? We`ll never know of course.
Did we have a horrific injury list ? You never mentioned it. We are missing Matty todd and have been rotten since the players returned from pre season. Maybe it`s time to wake up and smell the coffee.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 25 Aug 20:04
Quote:
The Boss, Sun 25 Aug 18:46
It doesnāt matter what players we sign. Theyāll be set up the same way. Itās absolutely torture. We have to be the worst team to watch in Scotland, maybe even Britain.
I donāt want to see pen gifs or statements telling us nothing. The only thing I want to read from the club is that McPake is sacked.
Ayr on Saturday is just another inevitability.
Itās hard not to agree with you. I think he deserves the Ayr game but I really need to see a difference. I think heāll get the rovers game as well tho. If we loose those 2 itās going to be extremely difficult to justify his position.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sun 25 Aug 20:34
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sun 25 Aug 19:58
Quote:
weemike, Sun 25 Aug 18:57
You should send in your CV mate, I think weāre going to need a manager soon. Iām 100% certain with your knowledge and understanding of springing back lines, weāll be absolutely golden like. I think your plan to build the whole teams defensive unit around a loan signing thatās going to be with you for months is a rock solid plan like. Doesnāt matter the strengths and weaknesses of the players roundabout him
OK. By that logic, then you wouldn`t use a new strikers blistering pace to spring offside traps even though the rest of the squad are not used to playing alongside him.
It`s not reinventing the wheel....its being 5-10 yards further up the pitch and playing in a more positive manner as a result, knowing you`ve got a safety net of someone rapid in the back line.
And as for taking the p!ss outta my knowledge....you didn`t even know he was fast until this afternoon.
Why are you comparing defending and attacking? Literally opposite ends of the spectrum.
All Iāve said is I wouldnāt change the entire way the team defends. Which going by results, turned out to be the correct decision.
Iām getting the feeling you donāt like other peopleās opinions?
Yes I don`t agree with your opinion but I`m not responding with sarcastic comments about sending my CV in!!
If you think last seasons results were acceptable, then this season will be ok for you as well.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 25 Aug 20:50
What are you on about Mike?
We were newly promoted and ended up with 2/3rds of the 1st team injured for the majority of the season and youāre complaining cos we werenāt pushing for promotion and playing a high defensive line?
Iām all for moving McPake on if it doesnāt improve quickly but I donāt think making stuff up about him no playing to one loan signing strengths last season is helping anything, useful or even relevant at this point in time.
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Sun 25 Aug 20:51
Good to see some bodies coming in but still badly need a naturally left side attacking player IMO
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 25 Aug 20:53
Quote:
TAFKA_Super_Petrie, Sun 25 Aug 20:51
Good to see some bodies coming in but still badly need a naturally left side attacking player IMO
Where was Cooper? I couldnāt make it yesterday but I actually watched the highlights (I know, absolute gluten for punishment) and it looked like McCann was on the right so I assumed Cooper was on the left?
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sun 25 Aug 21:04
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sun 25 Aug 20:50
What are you on about Mike?
We were newly promoted and ended up with 2/3rds of the 1st team injured for the majority of the season and youāre complaining cos we werenāt pushing for promotion and playing a high defensive line?
Iām all for moving McPake on if it doesnāt improve quickly but I donāt think making stuff up about him no playing to one loan signing strengths last season is helping anything, useful or even relevant at this point in time.
I never mentioned promotion. You`ve made that up.
I`m complaining about his limited management ability.
He didn`t utilise the squad as best as he could. I`m not making that up.
MFW is an example of that. He`s already been trying to play KRH as a wing back or through the middle.
He gets a keeper who is terrible with the ball at his feet under pressure to play out from the back.
Have I made all of that up as well?
Oh, and by the way 2/3rds of the 1st team being out for the majority of the season is a massive exaggeration.
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Sun 25 Aug 21:12
Cooper was central. Box to box if you like.
Wotherspoon started on the left with McCann in the middle; they swapped after about 30 minutes; presumably Spoony was a bit deeper than McCann had been.
Young came on for Fisher
Cooper come on for Ngwenya with Otoo moving to LB
Chalmers came on for Bene with Hamilton dropping back to LCB.
Wighton replaced Kane;
Sutherland replaced KRH with McCann moving to the right wing (so TS was more on the left)
At least, that`s how I remember it.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 25 Aug 22:31
Quote:
weemike, Sun 25 Aug 21:04
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NMCmassive, Sun 25 Aug 20:50
What are you on about Mike?
We were newly promoted and ended up with 2/3rds of the 1st team injured for the majority of the season and youāre complaining cos we werenāt pushing for promotion and playing a high defensive line?
Iām all for moving McPake on if it doesnāt improve quickly but I donāt think making stuff up about him no playing to one loan signing strengths last season is helping anything, useful or even relevant at this point in time.
I never mentioned promotion. You`ve made that up.
I`m complaining about his limited management ability.
He didn`t utilise the squad as best as he could. I`m not making that up.
MFW is an example of that. He`s already been trying to play KRH as a wing back or through the middle.
He gets a keeper who is terrible with the ball at his feet under pressure to play out from the back.
Have I made all of that up as well?
Oh, and by the way 2/3rds of the 1st team being out for the majority of the season is a massive exaggeration.
Well we didnāt push for promotion but we were safe from relegation. So all things considered, what were you expecting? We got a mid table finish, anything more and weād have been pushing for promotion š¤·š»āāļø
Maybe he looked at the strengths and weaknesses of all players he had available in stead of highlighting one thing about one player.
He never changed how we defended because itās not just the back line it affects, itās everyone in front of it as well. They all need to be working to the same plan.
KRH was signed as a central midfielder but was moved out wide after Montrose bullied him off the ball numerous times and ended up beating us. Heās been giving him time back in the centre since but heās still a developing young player. Itās also not unusual for players to play in numerous positions. I donāt see what your problem is?
Mehmets mistakes are his mistakes. McPakes mistake was giving him a longer contract than necessary that being said, Do you think heās asking him to play out like Ederson type of thing or do you think he asks him to pass it one of the defenders first instead of hitting it long every time?
I honestly have no clue what you were expecting him to do with the squad last year? Our injury list was that long guys were playing with injuries when normally they would have been given a rest. Breen, Comrie, Bene & Ben Summers all played at times they probably shouldnāt have. Breen and Bene ended up aggravating injuries because they did. There could well have been others that played with injuries.
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Sun 25 Aug 22:33
Did I hear right that Nisbett is off to Aberdeen on loan ?
It was on the radio today but I didn`t hear the whole thing.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 25 Aug 22:38
Nisbet is indeed at Aberdeen on loan for the rest of the season, widtink. He came on as a sub this afternoon.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 25 Aug 22:38
You heard it correctly, signed yesterday and got game time today
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Mon 26 Aug 12:53
Aberdeen have started well and nisbet should do okay for them if they can keep him on the straight and narrow. loan is the best they will get as wonāt be able to match his wages etc.
They might well pop hearts to third this season
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Wed 28 Aug 18:37
Do we think weāre likely to see Clay announced by deadline then?
Also on the striker front I see Hearts have said James Wilson can leave on loan, very good young striker who played some minutes towards the end of last season. Know a few Jambos who think he is a talent and a very good finisher. Would be interesting to see if we are looking into that option.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Wed 28 Aug 20:25
He might well be better than what we have but would be suprised if we brought in another strikerā¦.unless heās free and we can loan out Sutherland. Even then would he get the game time ahead of Kane and mcpakes favs McCann and wighton?
We should be looking for a decent winger if we only have 1 more signing. Although mcpake would prob play him at wing back with no license to go forward.
We could really do with trying to loan some of the experienced proās out and getting better in but no one wants them.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Bouncer
Date: Wed 28 Aug 21:56
MFW played the full 90 mins for Cardiff v Southampton tonight.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 29 Aug 08:13
Quote:
Bouncer, Wed 28 Aug 21:56
MFW played the full 90 mins for Cardiff v Southampton tonight.
Great to see him kicking on. Ending was a bit of a sickener for them no doubt. Some great goals from outside the box.
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Topic Originator: bannerpar
Date: Sat 31 Aug 04:18
MFW out on loan to York City of the National League for the season.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 31 Aug 14:29
Hard to argue York are at a higher level that the second league in Scotland. But they can pay more towards his wagesā¦.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 31 Aug 19:52
Kevin Nisbet scores 98th minute winner for Aberdeen at Ross County.
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