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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Mon 23 Sep 12:22
I know not all of us follow the EPL - but I`m interested in the Pars view on the yellows given to my local team (Bottomnal) for `delaying the restart`.
It does seem slightly odd - given that this kind of thing happens almost every free-kick, that only, to my memory, 4 players have been booked for it this season. Rice (second yellow v Brighton), Saliba (v Spurs), Bruno Fernandes (Man Utd vs Southampton) and Trossard (yesterday).
My memory might be being incredibly selective (alas the EPL doesn`t seem to provide data on yellows given and reasons, so happy to hear additional examples not involving Bottomnal), but it does seem that Bottomnal are being punished for this way more than other teams. Do they delay the restart more than other teams, or have they been unlucky?
There seem to be plenty of examples of restarts being delayed (including in the same game as the Bottomnal yellows) that have not been punished in the same way.
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Mon 23 Sep 13:16
I thought Trossard should have been yellow carded for the "shoulder charge" on the Man City player, which amounted to grievous bodily harm. He wiped him out, barged into him with no attempt to play the ball. Going by the highlights, to be fair, it was a very physical game and maybe he was reacting in a sense of injustice to a previous bad tackle on himself, but he badly let the side down with the reckless challenge.
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Mon 23 Sep 13:42
I really don`t think the shoulder charge was a booking. If you watch it he`s tracking the ball and Bernardo actually moves towards Trossard before contact is made. Foul - probably, but not a booking for me (especially after what Haaland got away with later in the game.
Sky have timed the gap between the whistle blowing and trossard delaying the restart at 0.84s - his leg was already in the kicking motion prior to the whistle blowing. It`s actually quite hard to stop a kick once you`ve started it...so I feel Trossard has been hard done by here. As I said above, if every player gets booked for it, fine. But they don`t
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Mon 23 Sep 14:54
Arsenal fans are getting progressively more paranoid as the weeks go by.
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Mon 23 Sep 14:58
That may be the case DA-go. Do you have evidence to substantiate?
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Mon 23 Sep 15:16
Your post about Declan Rice a couple of weeks back, for starters...
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 23 Sep 15:18
Quote:
Paralex, Mon 23 Sep 13:16
I thought Trossard should have been yellow carded for the "shoulder charge" on the Man City player, which amounted to grievous bodily harm. He wiped him out, barged into him with no attempt to play the ball. Going by the highlights, to be fair, it was a very physical game and maybe he was reacting in a sense of injustice to a previous bad tackle on himself, but he badly let the side down with the reckless challenge.
If thats the case then surelt Haaland should have gone too then? Nearly as bad as Harry Kane for putting defenders in danger from his dodgey tactics
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Mon 23 Sep 15:28
Not sure what you`re getting at DA Go. I posted about it because I can`t comprehend how any ref (let alone a whole panel) can look at that incident and conclude that the correct decision was a yellow for rice, and nothing for Veltman who`s deliberately punted him in the shins.
I am quite conscious that I`m looking at this through biased lenses, and am willing to be corrected. But, as I say, give how prevalent delaying the restart is, that 3 of the 4 yellows given for it this season have been to Arsenal players, is an incredible statistical anomaly.
If you can show evidence to the contrary id be really grateful.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Mon 23 Sep 15:51
As a neutral, I`m not really fussed about trying to prove there`s not a conspiracy against Arsenal. I just find it amusing.
I`m guessing that you could find other examples in history of non-Arsenal players getting booked for kicking a ball away after committing a foul though.
Apparently, plenty lost their minds when Odegaard got injured on international duty, too. Virtually arguing for the whole thing to be scrapped.
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Mon 23 Sep 17:08
"Apparently, plenty lost their minds when Odegaard got injured on international duty, too. Virtually arguing for the whole thing to be scrapped."
Not me. That`s a nonsense.
"I`m guessing that you could find other examples in history of non-Arsenal players getting booked for kicking a ball away after committing a foul though."
Yes. I gave one myself at the start of the thread. Bruno Fernandes against Southampton last week.
"As a neutral, I`m not really fussed about trying to prove there`s not a conspiracy against Arsenal. I just find it amusing."
Totally fine. FWIW I don`t think there`s a conspiracy against Arsenal either.
I do think biases, possibly unconscious ones, (e.g Arsenal are `dirty`, Arsenal employ the `dark arts`) affect decision making. I remember a particularly hilarious situation where Xhaka was yellowed for `persistent fouling` after his first foul. That`s entirely down to the referee`s perception of Xhaka as a `dirty` player, rather than anything Xhaka did in the game. I think it`s a similar reason why Arsenal are getting treated differently to other teams with regards to delaying the restart.
As an aside, I do think it`s ludicrous that Michael Oliver is allowed to be paid by Sheikh Mansour (through his company ADNOC) to referee games in UAE for massively inflated fees. In any `normal` workplace that would be a clear conflict of interest and grounds for dismissal.
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Topic Originator: DJAS
Date: Mon 23 Sep 17:27
Quote:
Paralex, Mon 23 Sep 13:16
I thought Trossard should have been yellow carded for the "shoulder charge" on the Man City player, which amounted to grievous bodily harm. He wiped him out, barged into him with no attempt to play the ball. Going by the highlights, to be fair, it was a very physical game and maybe he was reacting in a sense of injustice to a previous bad tackle on himself, but he badly let the side down with the reckless challenge.
Agree with this.
Predictor league winner 2012/2013
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Mon 23 Sep 18:01
^^^
Assume you also agree that Haaland should have seen red (at least two yellows for his antics after the goal and after the restart then)?
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Topic Originator: d3monstrate
Date: Mon 23 Sep 18:48
Did Havertz get booked for the same barge in the first 8 seconds of the game?
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Mon 23 Sep 19:00
No.
Because it wasn`t the same.
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Topic Originator: DJAS
Date: Mon 23 Sep 20:27
Quote:
Bandy, Mon 23 Sep 18:01
^^^
Assume you also agree that Haaland should have seen red (at least two yellows for his antics after the goal and after the restart then)?
You assume wrong
Predictor league winner 2012/2013
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Mon 23 Sep 21:02
It`s great that you disagree! Different opinions make the game interesting!
Can you explain why you felt Trossards foul on Silva was a booking, but neither throwing a ball at someones head, nor running into someone a full speed off the ball do not?
Genuinely interested in your rationale.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Mon 23 Sep 23:26
Quote:
Bandy, Mon 23 Sep 21:02
It`s great that you disagree! Different opinions make the game interesting!
Can you explain why you felt Trossards foul on Silva was a booking, but neither throwing a ball at someones head, nor running into someone a full speed off the ball do not?
Genuinely interested in your rationale.
He was booked for kicking the ball away in anger.
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Mon 23 Sep 23:35
I know.
People above are arguing that point is moot because he should have been booked for the preceding foul.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 24 Sep 01:07
How you can be booked for kicking the ball away in anger, with under 1 second reaction time from the referees whistle, is genuinely mind boggling 😂 had it been a couple of seconds after then fair enough, but the whistles still in the refs mouth in that time!
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Tue 24 Sep 05:56
The Rice one was fair enough I reckon - it was clearly delaying the restart as the Brighton player was about to play the ball. But I don`t see how Trossard could be pinged for delaying the restart when Silva was on his back and the game wasn`t going to be restarted for a good minute or so anyway.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Tue 24 Sep 08:37
Arsenal fans are just like Celtic fans.
None are from their home city.
They greet about everything.
They’re 100% positive (even when decisions go there way) that there’s it’s a conspiracy.
I doubt you’ll find any tin foil in their cupboards. It’s most likely wrapped round their heid.
Tbf I don’t watch any of the EPL. Most times I sit to watch it, it’s a pure snooze fest. Loads of good players down there but that doesn’t necessarily make for entertaining games.
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Tue 24 Sep 09:56
Thing is, Celtic had a bit of point - Jim Farry was proven to have deliberately delayed the registration of Cadete, and was sacked for gross misconduct when this was uncovered.
It`s only a bit of point because they do get (and have always gotten) favourable decisions against most teams - but not against Rangers.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Tue 24 Sep 11:28
By the numbers of comments in the news and here also. Sounds like a right tasty return if still neck and neck. Hope it continues. Love a good old scrap in footballing terms. Much nicer than having a big cuddle in before the game with the opposition.
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Tue 24 Sep 12:13
I certainly see the fan frustration about "consistency" with decisons. The Rice red card for example and then the kicking the ball event that happned in same game from brighton player. Difference being Brighton played launched a ball already out of play into Row ZZ however in "modern" time of multi-ball there was no delay to restart given there is a spare match ball less than a tard away to then continue with the restart as was.
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Tue 24 Sep 12:43
Exactly Playup_pompey.
Another good example is Liverpool v Forest last week. Same ref (Michael Oliver), same circumstance (Szoboszlai, on a second yellow, punts the ball away after the whistle for a foul against him), same delay between whistle and action (circa one sec), same impact (virtually none). Different outcome. It`s bonkers.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Tue 24 Sep 13:24
The very fact you’re going back to Cadete says it all. Have you really had that one in the locker for 28years?
Funnily enough the blue side of Glasgow didn’t like him cos he wanted to play football on the day of Diana’s funeral
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Tue 24 Sep 13:42
No - I was giving an example one when apparently `tinpotted` conspiracy theories actually had `a bit` of merit. The fact that is was a while ago doesn`t negate the fact that it happened.
To restate what I`ve said above, i do NOT think there is a conspiracy against Arsenal.
I DO think the delaying the restart rule has been applied inconsistently this season to Arsenal`s detriment.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Tue 24 Sep 13:52
What Trossard did looked like dissent to me - rather than delaying the game.
Oliver also played a big part in Arsenal getting their equaliser and some refs would have disallowed their 2nd goal.
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Tue 24 Sep 15:20
Officially (according to PGMOL twitter) he was booked for delaying the restart.
On Oliver playing a `big part` in Arsenal`s first goal, I disagree (although you knew I would!). His part is minor at best. The major contributors are laziness from the City defence, and a great finish by Calafiori.
1. Oliver turns his back on Walker (indicating the conversation is over) then Walker continues chuntering at him whilst standing still for a few seconds despite Oliver clearly ending the conversation and planning to restart the game. Those few seconds Walker could have used to get himself `set`.
2. Walker then jogs slowly back to position - still chuntering at Oliver.
3. When the ball is played Walker is actually in line with the Man City defensive line, so he`s hardly `out of position`.
4. Walker actually gets back to jockey Martinelli anyway, it`s not like Martinelli has a clear run on goal, and slows him down forcing him to pass inside.
5. For some reason Man City`s winger (Savio?) doesn`t track Calafiori - nothing to do with Walker or the free kick - just laziness.
6. Calafiori then hits an absolutely worldie of a finish. I reckon the quality of that finish from Calafiori played a much bigger part in the goal than anything Oliver did.
If you want me to be really pedantic - when the whistle blew Arsenal`s captain (Saka) was further out of position than Walker ever was, because he had further to walk from his position to get to Oliver when he called the captains over!
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Tue 24 Sep 18:12
Quote:
Bandy, Tue 24 Sep 13:42
No - I was giving an example one when apparently `tinpotted` conspiracy theories actually had `a bit` of merit. The fact that is was a while ago doesn`t negate the fact that it happened.
To restate what I`ve said above, i do NOT think there is a conspiracy against Arsenal.
I DO think the delaying the restart rule has been applied inconsistently this season to Arsenal`s detriment.
Aye, 28 year ago and the boy got the sack for it. There’s no really any merit in a conspiracy when the boy in the wrong gets sacked.
I don’t know why you’re here greetin about it? Don’t arsenal have a fan’s forum? 😂
COYP
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