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Topic Originator: The Boss
Date: Sat 28 Sep 16:57
Time is up. Football has been horrendous for months! Fans are being short changed.
I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
Post Edited (Sat 28 Sep 17:00)
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Topic Originator: SAP PAR
Date: Sat 28 Sep 16:59
Not going to happen. The main investors don’t care what league we are in. They won’t waste money getting rid of the management team.
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Sat 28 Sep 16:59
Agree !
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 28 Sep 17:06
SAP PAR, they are surely more likely to get offer they can take and save face if we are a Championship club? Nobody is going to pay the money they`ll want if we are in League One.
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Topic Originator: SAP PAR
Date: Sat 28 Sep 17:12
We are worth the square root of feck all no matter what league we are in 😀
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 28 Sep 17:43
Some of mcpakes signings have effectively salted the earth for the next guy, well for this season anyway.
It’s looking like yet another poor transfer window by the looks of it. The goalkeeper looks like a crock same as last season, left back has gone from strongest position to weakest as we signed someone who looks meh and we’re still playing players every week who contribute nothing but running about.
Mcpakes no money excuse doesn’t wash now either, he’s just been p1ss poor in the market.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sat 28 Sep 17:48
we cant even defend corners ,Sorry but Mehmet simply doesnt come of his line at corners ,
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Topic Originator: dd23
Date: Sat 28 Sep 17:59
None of the corners they scored from today were down to Mehmet, neither of those crosses were his for the taking. The first was lowish towards the penalty box, the second was way beyond the back post. Those were for the defence to claim but they didn’t.
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sat 28 Sep 18:07
Quote:
dd23, Sat 28 Sep 17:59
None of the corners they scored from today were down to Mehmet, neither of those crosses were his for the taking. The first was lowish towards the penalty box, the second was way beyond the back post. Those were for the defence to claim but they didn’t.
second one he should be coming for ,toomem to the spot
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 28 Sep 18:18
Quote:
Berkey, Sat 28 Sep 17:43
Some of mcpakes signings have effectively salted the earth for the next guy, well for this season anyway.
It’s looking like yet another poor transfer window by the looks of it. The goalkeeper looks like a crock same as last season, left back has gone from strongest position to weakest as we signed someone who looks meh and we’re still playing players every week who contribute nothing but running about.
Mcpakes no money excuse doesn’t wash now either, he’s just been p1ss poor in the market.
The boy at left back who wasn’t playing today?
COYP
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 28 Sep 18:36
Quote:
Berkey, Sat 28 Sept 17:43
Some of mcpakes signings have effectively salted the earth for the next guy, well for this season anyway.
It’s looking like yet another poor transfer window by the looks of it. The goalkeeper looks like a crock same as last season, left back has gone from strongest position to weakest as we signed someone who looks meh and we’re still playing players every week who contribute nothing but running about.
Mcpakes no money excuse doesn’t wash now either, he’s just been p1ss poor in the market.
I wouldn`t have minded if they ran about but none of them did until the last 5 minutes. None made an out ball for the guy on the ball.
I predicted us to be favourites for the drop at the start of the season. We aren`t even in October and I`ve seen nothing from any of this lot to change my mind. These are all of mcpakes players and unfortunately he carries the can for the guff they serve up on a Saturday.
Most of these guys will struggle to stay full time if they continue this lackluster standards over the course of the season. Mcpake wanted backed they gave him funds and the guys he has signed are just as bad as the ones we already have. If you give him another transfer window I fear we will be lumbered withe some of this lot for a few more years.
It takes no talent to run about and we didn`t do that today until it was too late.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 28 Sep 18:47
Nmc he wasn’t but when he’s played he’s not a patch on even otoo at left back.
Who has mcpake signed who is capable of playing at top end championship level?
Otoo? Who else?
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Topic Originator: ParfectXI
Date: Sat 28 Sep 18:53
Every single one of those imposters who fill the bench (barring the players obviously) needs to go! We have been rotten for far too long - The only way we can change is a full sweep out from Manager to coaches to the Chief Scout who doesn’t scout all need to go and start afresh with a new manager and his own choice of people! Obviously it won’t happen since Cook et al think the sun shines out of McPakes butt!
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 28 Sep 20:21
They were crap. We were crap. That’s a crap defeat. Nothing between the 2 teams on the day except we didn’t defend at 2 corners. Didn’t defend at the front post for the first one then we were bullied to the point a we’re standing directly in front of the goalkeeper who surprisingly hadn’t moved from his position.
What happened at the second one, I’m not 100% sure but looked like it Mehmet was stuck on his line as the ball went to the back post. Shocking. Terrible stuff.
Too slow in possession. I’m struggling to take very much positive from today.
COYP
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 28 Sep 20:24
Quote:
Berkey, Sat 28 Sep 18:47
Nmc he wasn’t but when he’s played he’s not a patch on even otoo at left back.
Who has mcpake signed who is capable of playing at top end championship level?
Otoo? Who else?
I think you’re letting your blinkers get in the way again.
We were never going to be signing someone as good as Josh Edward’s. We’ve developed him into the player he is. We are signing someone we can hopefully develop again. Ngwenya certainly seems to fit that mould.
Having Otoo being able to step in there as a 3rd alternative isn’t a bad position to be in.
COYP
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Topic Originator: summeragent
Date: Sat 28 Sep 20:46
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sat 28 Sep 20:21
They were crap. We were crap. That’s a crap defeat. Nothing between the 2 teams on the day except we didn’t defend at 2 corners. Didn’t defend at the front post for the first one then we were bullied to the point a we’re standing directly in front of the goalkeeper who surprisingly hadn’t moved from his position.
What happened at the second one, I’m not 100% sure but looked like it Mehmet was stuck on his line as the ball went to the back post. Shocking. Terrible stuff.
Too slow in possession. I’m struggling to take very much positive from today.
Queens Park weren’t crap..
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sat 28 Sep 20:53
QP …..and I am being kind here , were ….. basic. There for the taking and we failed… why ? Because they have a manager with nous and we don’t….
Post Edited (Sat 28 Sep 20:54)
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Sat 28 Sep 21:06
Ngwenya has been absolutely fine for the most part when he`s played. Then again some of our fans thought Josh Edwards wasn`t good enough with 10+ goal contributions last season at Left wing back in a team that was totally inept going forward.
I can`t remember the last time I sat through a 90 minutes watching the pars thinking "wow that was entertaining attacking football". Certainly there were extenuating circumstances last year with the number of injuries, but between being dreadful in the league cup group and the horrid start to the league campaign as well as the negative football there`s really nothing left to fall back on with the manager.
Thanks for getting us back to the championship at the first time of asking but it feels like McPake has taken us as far as he can.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sat 28 Sep 21:15
Almost every game under JM is the same. After 15 mins you just know it’s going to be another bore fest. Sure there have been the odd exceptions…….like the Rovers game…..why can’t we start every home game like that ? On the front foot…..it’s baffling. Today was the usual dross and you always get the feeling that the opposition will score….and when they do…. Well it’s usually game over..
I know that it is 18 months or so since we lost a game after going ahead but when was the last time we came from a goal down to win ? Patrick away last season ? But it is few and far between.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Sat 28 Sep 21:19
You know we are crap when our main striker is back making tackles at our own box.
The players look visibly frustrated with our tactics.
McCann is clearly better on the left side and Hosler clearly better on the right but they both played out of position in the second half.
Every fan could see we only started making a real effort only after we scored.
Until then it looked lackluster and the same guff we’ve been subjected to for months.
On top of that the team have lost the backing from the NW corner for other reasons than football.
It’s all going pear shaped and I think the manager needs to go.
He’s a nice guy but stubborn and doesn’t seem to realise we can’t dictate a football match with the players we have.
We have to go head to head with other teams and adapt.
Today was totally disheartening.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 28 Sep 21:30
We have no style or pattern to our play that is imposed on the away team. Everything seems so disorganised.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sat 28 Sep 21:39
Quote:
da_no_1, Sat 28 Sep 21:30
We have no style or pattern to our play that is imposed on the away team. Everything seems so disorganised.
sunday league ,game by game
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sat 28 Sep 21:42
Said it before, and I`ll say it again.
You can spot a well drilled, well trained team a mile off.
We are nowhere near it.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sat 28 Sep 22:13
I`ve probably backed him more than most on here, but I`ve got to admit the football has been awful. It`s all very well and fine playing defensive football, but if you do, you need to be at least so miserly in defence that you are not giving away cheap goals easily, and need to be winning games ugly, or not losing games.
I think the penny dropped for me that he wasn`t very good at his job when I seen how Forfar could beat us so easily just by having a well drilled team, where each player knew what he was meant to be doing.
I`m not a fan of chopping and changing managers but he`s not showing any promise at all.
I don`t think he will get the bullet though, with the club currently up for sale
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Topic Originator: Bazzler1981
Date: Sat 28 Sep 22:29
Should of been punted for asking the young lad on twitter for a square go
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Topic Originator: Murchadh
Date: Sat 28 Sep 23:10
Any professional football club would have done so, we are not professional until we are sold. Oh, also, McFake out!
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Topic Originator: Gaz3822
Date: Sat 28 Sep 23:14
😂😂😂😂
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Topic Originator: Murchadh
Date: Sat 28 Sep 23:25
Any professional football club would have sacked a manager for asking a person on “Twitter” or “X” for a fight.
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Topic Originator: Boomer
Date: Sun 29 Sep 00:01
Murchadh at least you are consistent with your comments absolute bell end
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sun 29 Sep 10:28
Quote:
Boomer, Sun 29 Sept 00:01
Murchadh at least you are consistent with your comments absolute bell end
There`s either a comma, or the word "you" missing after "comments" in this sentence - I`m not sure which
Post Edited (Sun 29 Sep 10:29)
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 29 Sep 11:03
Quote:
summeragent, Sat 28 Sep 20:46
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sat 28 Sep 20:21
They were crap. We were crap. That’s a crap defeat. Nothing between the 2 teams on the day except we didn’t defend at 2 corners. Didn’t defend at the front post for the first one then we were bullied to the point a we’re standing directly in front of the goalkeeper who surprisingly hadn’t moved from his position.
What happened at the second one, I’m not 100% sure but looked like it Mehmet was stuck on his line as the ball went to the back post. Shocking. Terrible stuff.
Too slow in possession. I’m struggling to take very much positive from today.
Queens Park weren’t crap..
I don’t know how you come to that conclusion. We were beat by a poor side yesterday. We gave them 2 goals by forgetting we were defending a corner and they offered nothing else 🤷🏻♂️
COYP
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Sat 5 Oct 18:13
Should have been away last week. The football was rotten again today. The same old excuses post match as well….get him out!!!!!!
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Sat 5 Oct 18:17
Yep the predictable utter boring football week in/out. No way can I watch this every week.
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 5 Oct 18:30
I mean unless the opposition gets a guy sent off in 15minutes who are we taking 3 points off this season?
It’s almost not even the p1ss poor the points tally, it’s the way we approach the games and the performances. We are just terrible to watch.
The injuries last season lulled the fans into thinking this season would be better….
Post Edited (Sat 05 Oct 18:43)
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Topic Originator: Pars11
Date: Sat 5 Oct 18:31
I never listen to Managers or Players post match interviews, podcasts are even worse. I like the old fashioned speak by what you see in front of you. At present it is very hard to watch the same boring tactics and watching a Goalkeeper who cannot command his area getting a start regardless of how he is plays. I bet James McPake does not state how many points the Goalkeeping errors are costing the club and the reliance on a low scoring forward line if we can even call it a forward line more like the odd player finds himself in an awkward position of being close to goal then misses the target.
Bluebell Polka
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Topic Originator: Pringlebum8
Date: Sat 5 Oct 18:43
Mehmet’s attempt at stopping Airdrie’s equaliser is totally laughable, if we can’t play our on loan keeper, please please give the young lad Briggs a chance!
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Topic Originator: The Boss
Date: Sat 5 Oct 18:44
You just have to hope the new owner/owners punt McPake as soon as they are in the door.
Football has been absolutely honking for over a year. We are predictable,naive and so soft to play against. We have had such a lack of entertainment and excitement for a long time.
McPake is now comparable to Hughes and Grant.
I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 5 Oct 18:48
That’s yet another mcpake error right there. The keeper from Celtic spent last season collecting injuries too but mcpake decided to take the risk as a favour from/to one of his few contacts o’dea.
When was the last time we signed someone who was a regular and had a good season at the level we are playing at the season before? Hamilton 2 years ago?
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 5 Oct 19:23
Quote:
Berkey, Sat 5 Oct 18:48
That’s yet another mcpake error right there. The keeper from Celtic spent last season collecting injuries too but mcpake decided to take the risk as a favour from/to one of his few contacts o’dea.
When was the last time we signed someone who was a regular and had a good season at the level we are playing at the season before? Hamilton 2 years ago?
My honest feeling is, the recruitment problem isn’t necessarily McPakes problem.
Resigning Mehmet, Chalmers etc etc aye that’s all McPake. That’s actually the decisions that are costing him now. Had he moved them on and brought in fresh faces, we’d have a completely different squad now.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 5 Oct 19:25
Would Ian Murray be a decent appointment? Who was his assistant?
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 5 Oct 19:27
Will we have another supporters meeting with cook mcpake and co ? I`m guessing not
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: JamesAndrew74
Date: Sat 5 Oct 19:27
Quote:
jake89, Sat 5 Oct 19:25
Would Ian Murray be a decent appointment? Who was his assistant?
Colin Cameron. Who knows
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Topic Originator: Pars11
Date: Sat 5 Oct 20:02
You do not want Colin Cameron anywhere near EEP. He is Wee Team through and through and was rank rotten at the managerial roles they gave him.
Bluebell Polka
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Sat 5 Oct 20:16
Ex Aberdeen gaffer Barry Robson would be a good shout to get this team going even at 80%
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: JamesAndrew74
Date: Sat 5 Oct 20:30
Quote:
Alter Ego, Sat 5 Oct 20:16
Ex Aberdeen gaffer Barry Robson would be a good shout to get this team going even at 80%
Why?
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 5 Oct 20:57
Quote:
JamesAndrew74, Sat 5 Oct 20:30
Quote:
Alter Ego, Sat 5 Oct 20:16
Ex Aberdeen gaffer Barry Robson would be a good shout to get this team going even at 80%
Why?
😂😂😂😂
That was exactly the word that I thought as I read that as well.
I’m just not sold on Barry Robson. He didn’t do enough with a pretty decent Aberdeen squad
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Sat 5 Oct 21:15
And some of you want the old Campell back on the dugout?😅
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Sat 5 Oct 21:26
We are absolut murder and it’s about time folk on here admit it…relegation fodder unless things change.
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 5 Oct 21:33
Quote:
Alter Ego, Sat 5 Oct 21:15
And some of you want the old Campell back on the dugout?😅
You probably have seen someone write that and as much as I don’t think that’s much of a long term plan for us, I can point to lots of evidence of why “old Campbell” may be a good choice of manager.
I can’t point to anything that Barry Robson has done. Again, he took a pretty decent Aberdeen team close to relegation. Dons fans were wanting him out a long time before he actually left. Apparently not only were results poor the football was crap 🤷🏻♂️
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Topic Originator: gordi-b
Date: Sat 5 Oct 21:39
Mcpake is clearly out of his depth at this level, tactically inept and constantly playing players out of position, clearly doesn,t have a clue what his best eleven is and long contracts to players that are barely 1st division level, the last few performances have been dire at a new level and its obvious the only way we are going under him is down. time for a change and quickly
G.B
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Topic Originator: Parfect69
Date: Sat 5 Oct 21:51
And along comes the magic money fairy with James’s and co pay off. Not going to happen.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 5 Oct 22:04
Didn’t James McPake get Dundee promoted from the championship?
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Topic Originator: summeragent
Date: Sat 5 Oct 22:06
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sat 05 Oct 22:04
Didn’t James McPake get Dundee promoted from the championship?
He did and with a team that had a bad start to the season. They played some great football to get into, and through the playoffs. He hasn’t replicated that with the Pars though.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 5 Oct 22:14
Quote:
summeragent, Sat 5 Oct 22:06
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sat 05 Oct 22:04
Didn’t James McPake get Dundee promoted from the championship?
He did and with a team that had a bad start to the season. They played some great football to get into, and through the playoffs. He hasn’t replicated that with the Pars though.
Yeah, I agree with you.
It’s not working for him just now. IMO he gave contracts to players he shouldn’t have and it’s now really biting him in the back side especially with having the budgetary constraints that we have.
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Topic Originator: summeragent
Date: Sat 5 Oct 22:17
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sat 05 Oct 22:14
Quote:
summeragent, Sat 5 Oct 22:06
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sat 05 Oct 22:04
Didn’t James McPake get Dundee promoted from the championship?
He did and with a team that had a bad start to the season. They played some great football to get into, and through the playoffs. He hasn’t replicated that with the Pars though.
Yeah, I agree with you.
It’s not working for him just now. IMO he gave contracts to players he shouldn’t have and it’s now really biting him in the back side especially with having the budgetary constraints that we have.
Think he made some judgements on players based on their performance in league one and found they weren’t good enough for the Championship.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 5 Oct 22:24
He was left with a poor championship team that had just been relegated and the tube ended up resigning them all and wanders why we are still a poor championship club.
That’s on him.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 5 Oct 22:24
Quote:
summeragent, Sat 5 Oct 22:17
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sat 05 Oct 22:14
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summeragent, Sat 5 Oct 22:06
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NMCmassive, Sat 05 Oct 22:04
Didn’t James McPake get Dundee promoted from the championship?
He did and with a team that had a bad start to the season. They played some great football to get into, and through the playoffs. He hasn’t replicated that with the Pars though.
Yeah, I agree with you.
It’s not working for him just now. IMO he gave contracts to players he shouldn’t have and it’s now really biting him in the back side especially with having the budgetary constraints that we have.
Think he made some judgements on players based on their performance in league one and found they weren’t good enough for the Championship.
Yeah, absolutely. Of course and with the benefit of hindsight but he really should have taken the previous relegation season into consideration. We’re seeing a lot of the same issues as that season we were relegated now.
As things stand best case scenario is a playoff spot
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 5 Oct 22:27
Quote:
Berkey, Sat 5 Oct 22:24
He was left with a poor championship team that had just been relegated and the tube ended up resigning them all and wanders why we are still a poor championship club.
That’s on him.
Berkey, I don’t always agree with you but I can absolutely agree with your point there. 2 absolutely shocking summer transfer windows and we’re now propping up the league.
COYP
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Topic Originator: Fethiyespar
Date: Sat 5 Oct 22:27
His management statistics are getting close to being one of the worst on record at EEP, up there with Scott, Forsyth, Stanton, Hay, Grant, Hughes to name but a few. The thread running through this lot are people on the board who haven`t a clue how to run a football club. ICT are not the only club in trouble with the way they are being run.
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Topic Originator: partake
Date: Sun 6 Oct 00:31
Its may be more than co-incidence we have not taken anything from a single game this season in league cup or league where opponent has scored first and that might say something about the resilience / toughness of the squad. You could lay this at the managers door and say he needs to bring in the right types but i think thats harsh as any manager needs to work with a player for a while and observe them closely to understand the character of anyone who has come to the club. JM record in championship of 12 wins in 44 is a poor win rate and compares unfavourably with predecessors but none of the faced anything remotely like the difficulties he faces at present with the whole club limping along in a state of limbo until ownership issues are solved so the comparison with predecessors is deeply unfair and flawed. I would expect all fair minded supporters to stick with with it, applaud James` fortitude and cut the guy a bit of slack in these uniquely challenging times for everyone connected with DAFC.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 6 Oct 00:52
Quote:
partake, Sun 6 Oct 00:31
Its may be more than co-incidence we have not taken anything from a single game this season in league cup or league where opponent has scored first and that might say something about the resilience / toughness of the squad. You could lay this at the managers door and say he needs to bring in the right types but i think thats harsh as any manager needs to work with a player for a while and observe them closely to understand the character of anyone who has come to the club. JM record in championship of 12 wins in 44 is a poor win rate and compares unfavourably with predecessors but none of the faced anything remotely like the difficulties he faces at present with the whole club limping along in a state of limbo until ownership issues are solved so the comparison with predecessors is deeply unfair and flawed. I would expect all fair minded supporters to stick with with it, applaud James` fortitude and cut the guy a bit of slack in these uniquely challenging times for everyone connected with DAFC.
In fairness, we’re on for being relegated
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 6 Oct 08:12
Has to go ASAP. Should have been gone last season. Where`s Stephen Kenny?
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sun 6 Oct 11:15
"Didn’t James McPake get Dundee promoted from the championship?"
Charlie Adam single handedly won them a lot of games though. He doesn`t have that luxury this time round.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 6 Oct 11:38
And you wanted Rhys McCabe???🤔🙈🤣🤣🤣
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Sun 6 Oct 12:01
Ref:partake, Sun 6 Oct 00:31
`I would expect all fair minded supporters to stick with with it, applaud James` fortitude and cut the guy a bit of slack in these uniquely challenging times for everyone connected with DAFC.`
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Well said partake.
We are where we are. Are we gonna fight or fold? It doesn`t look to me like JM or any of our staff have gi`en up. Imagine, JM had a season-long avalanche of injuries. He just starts to get a hold of this season, and the one player we`ve been crying out for - a goalie in form - he brings in - and now he`s feckin` injured! I think we might have had better results if we hadn`t had that stab to the heart from Feckin`Fate. Deniz is a capable goalie but he`s not on form. Tobi made a significant difference. When he got injured, pair James must have been thinkin` - feck sake yet anither feckin kick in the teesh!
Post Edited (Sun 06 Oct 12:18)
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Topic Originator: MinnesotaAndy
Date: Sun 6 Oct 12:18
There are never any easy answers in football. Just look at what happened and continues to happen with Manchester United after the Fergie era.
Pars really need some wins in the coming handful of games. Matty Todd looks as if he is getting back to his best which could help big time.
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Sun 6 Oct 12:21
That`s right Minnesota, get Matty in form, get Tobi back - things can change, without even bringin` others in - life goes on - we`re no doon yet by a long chalk.
Post Edited (Sun 06 Oct 12:22)
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Sun 6 Oct 12:32
I guess the most amount of optimism I can claw into is that we`ve a few new faces in + Todd and it might come together any minute now. And it`s not like we`re isolated, it would appear as if there`s 4 or 5 pure mince teams this year.
But 5 goals in 8 matches is chronic. One penalty, one massive deflection and two worlides from Otoo and Wotherspoon. One goal from Cooper you could define as being a worked move. We`re shocking to watch.
I think the natural pragmatism of both our soon to be ex-owners and McPake isn`t exactly a dynamic combination.
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Sun 6 Oct 12:41
Today`s a new day Rusty. We canny keep draggin` a` that baggage aboot, it`s bound tae slow us doon.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sun 6 Oct 12:41
I`m sorry but this is alot of happy clapping nonsense.
We don`t look like a well trained side.
The team identity is one of slow turgid play.
Make no mistake. We are struggling.
Our only victory this season was gifted to us by a red card.
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Topic Originator: grelin
Date: Sun 6 Oct 12:58
I`m not one to jump on the `sack the manager bandwagon` when things are not going well, but I must admit my patience is wearing thin. Watching the current brand of football for the last couple of seasons or so is absolute torture and what compounds it for me is the usual dross that JM spouts after each game, is he watching the same game? He seems to be coated in Teflon but I think the current regime might have a different standpoint if we get pumped by Kelty next week which I suspect we might on current form.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 6 Oct 13:07
Quote:
kelty_par, Sun 6 Oct 11:15
"Didn’t James McPake get Dundee promoted from the championship?"
Charlie Adam single handedly won them a lot of games though. He doesn`t have that luxury this time round.
Yeah but yeah but yeah but…
James McPake got Dundee promoted as their manager so deserves the credit for the role he played in that. As much as he deserves the criticism for things going wrong.
Folk in here writing that he doesn’t understand championship football etc etc etc forgetting he has already at least done something in the championship in the past.
COYP
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 6 Oct 13:18
It`s ridiculous to suggest a player single handedly won a team a "a lot of games"
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Sun 06 Oct 13:19)
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sun 6 Oct 13:31
Not a single player we have hasn`t had a contract renewal or been signed by McPake. The buck stops with him. Not good enough in the slightest
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Topic Originator: ParfectXI
Date: Sun 6 Oct 13:32
There’s quite a few of you giving McPake a lot of credit for taking Dundee back to the Premiership, strangely more than the Dundee fans give him and he was “one of their own”. Dundee fans almost to a man thought he was a terrible manager who played boring football and was unable to change his style of play!
I was working for Dundee when McPake was in his first season here and everything they said about him I have seen happening here and I don’t think Dundee is full of Nostradamus’ or even Russell Grants!
McPake is out of his depth, will never take us forward and shouldn’t be here anymore!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 6 Oct 13:45
Some managers have more than one player who wins them a lot of games but that doesn`t seem to detract from their reputations. Funny that isn`t it?
You`ve got to remember that any success anyone connected with the Pars achieves is not due to their own efforts. It`s because the opposition was rubbish, the ref did them a favour, they scored with a deflection, the other team had a man sent off, etc. None of these benefits seems to favour other teams whose success is purely down to their own efforts and the ability of their managers.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sun 6 Oct 14:03
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 6 Oct 13:45
Some managers have more than one player who wins them a lot of games but that doesn`t seem to detract from their reputations. Funny that isn`t it?
You`ve got to remember that any success anyone connected with the Pars achieves is not due to their own efforts. It`s because the opposition was rubbish, the ref did them a favour, they scored with a deflection, the other team had a man sent off, etc. None of these benefits seems to favour other teams whose success is purely down to their own efforts and the ability of their managers.
When you`re as utterly woeful as we are yes, a lot of our points are only because of opposition mistakes.
I can possibly accept trash tier football if we win a lot, but we just dont
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 6 Oct 14:17
Quote:
weemike, Sun 6 Oct 12:41
I`m sorry but this is alot of happy clapping nonsense.
We don`t look like a well trained side.
The team identity is one of slow turgid play.
Make no mistake. We are struggling.
Our only victory this season was gifted to us by a red card.
This 100 percent. Every week you look at the side and you can`t see what they have been working on on training. There doesn`t seem to be a plan B.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 6 Oct 14:22
Why do players make mistakes? It`s usually because the opposition have put them in a position where they are liable to. Most goals in football are the result of mistakes. It doesn`t mean the scoring team is due no credit for the goal.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 6 Oct 14:46
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 6 Oct 14:22
Why do players make mistakes? It`s usually because the opposition have put them in a position where they are liable to. Most goals in football are the result of mistakes. It doesn`t mean the scoring team is due no credit for the goal.
You usually can but considering both our coaches were defenders we aren`t very good at defending when the ball comes into our box. I wouldn`t mind if the guy hits a 40 yarder into the top bag but the goals we use more often than not are avoidable.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Sun 6 Oct 15:17
Pars: weemike like
Date: Sun 6 Oct 12:41
`I`m sorry but this is alot of happy clapping nonsense.
We don`t look like a well trained side.
The team identity is one of slow turgid play.
Make no mistake. We are struggling.
Our only victory this season was gifted to us by a red card.`
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You`re mixing up two things there, weem. There`s what you think of our team. And a whole separate issue is what you think of other folks` posts, such as mine. `Happy clapping` it ain`t. It`s looking at the issue from a different side, as well as my own. A bit more from the side of the manager and staff of Dunfermline Athletic FC. Not just the view of a fan and forum poster.
What would you say is the opposite of happy clapping? Miserable clapping? Happy crapping? I agree, sometimes there`s nothing more satisfying, but once it`s out - flush it. There`s more to do than sit crapping all day long!
Post Edited (Sun 06 Oct 15:22)
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sun 6 Oct 15:22
It`s not mixing up what I think.
It`s fact.
In no uncertain terms, we are $hit. And it stems from the training ground.
You can be in denial all you like.
But the results over the last 12 months speak for themselves.
Christ, the results in the league Cup this year before boardroom drama speak for themselves.
Do you think losing to two lower league part-time teams is OK?
How about 3 after next week?
Post Edited (Sun 06 Oct 15:22)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 6 Oct 15:27
Every goal we lose is dissected to find someone to blame it on. I do it myself, but the fact is we have conceded 10 goals in 8 games which isn`t exactly disastrous. Rovers, Hamilton and Airdrie have all conceded more. It`s at the other end of the pitch that our main problem lies and our difficulty in scoring puts more pressure on the defence to keep a clean sheet.
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Sun 6 Oct 15:46
Never mind weem, we`ll win one day - maybe even beat the mighty Kelty eh? I think a draw with Airdrie was disappointing but shows we`re not complete manure. Still, it takes more than just being better than manure to survive. What`s better than manure? Compost. That`ll be the next stage for us - to become as good as compost. Then? Topsoil!
`Topsoil is far better at retaining its structure.` There ye go. Structure is what we need more of. Get roond tae EEP wi barrowloads o` topsoil now!
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Sun 6 Oct 15:53
Unless we are disciples of Leopold von Sacher-Masoch, no Pars fan is at all happy to be lying a hairs breadth from the bottom of the table. The problem lies in what is the best way to remedy the situation, without spending a fortune, (which we don`t have). Therefore why are we discussing a situation, which is purely hypothetical, and will, for very plain reasons, remain so? The boot the manager out brigade are just big talkers, with nothing to back up their empty rhetoric. Has the penny ( if we still have one) not dropped, that we can`t afford to sack the manager? Some "fans" seem now to be blaming poor training for the players being short of fitness, while others, last season, were blaming over training for players picking up injuries. I`ve never observed a training session but don`t have any reason to doubt that they are thorough and robust. Obviously we don`t like our position but unless some of the jokers who are shouting the loudest, donate a few million to the club, the best way out of it is for the management team and players to keep working away and for the supporters continuing to support.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 6 Oct 15:58
Can we afford not to sack him ? If we don`t we probably get relegated and end up losing another £1m. The German consortium will want to get as much as possible.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sun 6 Oct 15:59
I appreciate your optomisim and enthusiasm.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 6 Oct 16:04
No one is paying the going rate to buy a championship club at or very near the bottom of the table after Christmas. The prudent thing to do would be to wait until safe/down then get back to the table to discuss value.
If we lost a million last time surely mcpake and 2/3 coaching are not earning even a third of that.
Add to that attendances dropping and they might be left with very little choice.
I mean at this point we could sack mcpake and give wotherspoon the player manager gig on temp basis without fear of it getting worse.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Sun 6 Oct 16:35
Is sacking the management team and replacing them with an untried senior player more likely to stave off the threat of relegation? I don`t see that at all. In fact recent experience with the Crawford-Grant-Hughes debacle seems to indicate steady decline and not miraculous improvement.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sun 6 Oct 16:41
Quote:
Paralex, Sun 6 Oct 16:35
Is sacking the management team and replacing them with an untried senior player more likely to stave off the threat of relegation? I don`t see that at all. In fact recent experience with the Crawford-Grant-Hughes debacle seems to indicate steady decline and not miraculous improvement.
Is keeping the manager going to get us up the table?
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave
Date: Sun 6 Oct 16:57
Quote:
cammypar 1995, Sun 6 Oct 15:58
Can we afford not to sack him ? If we don`t we probably get relegated and end up losing another £1m. The German consortium will want to get as much as possible.
^^^^ If you don`t have the money to pay his severance and no funds to pay the new manager`s wages then "We can`t afford to sack him".
Unless of course the outgoings owners decide to dip into their own pockets which is highly unlikely considering their intentions to sell.
DunfyDave
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 6 Oct 17:06
As soon as he starts winning, it clears up the majority of our issues. I just don’t see where a win is coming from.
Falkirk on the 26th. We’ll get a humping through there. I’m thinking if this board is going to sack him. It’s once we get pumped through there
COYP
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 6 Oct 17:16
It would be illogical to sack him without giving a reasonable time to see the outcome of the investment in the playing squad they authorised.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 6 Oct 17:33
Quote:
DunfyDave, Sun 6 Oct 16:57
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cammypar 1995, Sun 6 Oct 15:58
Can we afford not to sack him ? If we don`t we probably get relegated and end up losing another £1m. The German consortium will want to get as much as possible.
^^^^ If you don`t have the money to pay his severance and no funds to pay the new manager`s wages then "We can`t afford to sack him".
Unless of course the outgoings owners decide to dip into their own pockets which is highly unlikely considering their intentions to sell.
If we go down to league 1 we will be -£1m for the season again like we were last time we were in that league worth remembering Falkirk were in the league then. It will cost the current BOD more money to go down than sack mcpake.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 6 Oct 17:36
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 6 Oct 17:16
It would be illogical to sack him without giving a reasonable time to see the outcome of the investment in the playing squad they authorised.
We have already seen they are either unfit or no better than the others we have. Look at the table we are where we are because we are rotten. We have got worse some we beat Raith but yeah give him more time to get us further away from the rest.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave
Date: Sun 6 Oct 17:39
Trust me CP1995, I get it. You make perfect sense but once again, if there is no money currently then you can`t afford to sack him (currently).
DunfyDave
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 6 Oct 17:40
Mebude gets 20 minutes then the .net jury decides his fate.
Harsh
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 6 Oct 17:42
Quote:
DunfyDave, Sun 6 Oct 17:39
Trust me CP1995, I get it. You make perfect sense but once again, if there is no money currently then you can`t afford to sack him (currently).
If your going to cut your losses maybe it`s a price worth paying.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Sun 6 Oct 17:43
"Is keeping the manager going to get us up the table."
No guarantees but more likely to than sacking him.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 6 Oct 17:58
Quote:
Paralex, Sun 6 Oct 17:43
"Is keeping the manager going to get us up the table."
No guarantees but more likely to than sacking him.
What are you basing that on ? We look like conceding goals every time the ball gets put into our box. Our strikers aren`t the answer to getting us the goals required to stay in this league.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sun 6 Oct 18:06
Quote:
Paralex, Sun 6 Oct 17:43
"Is keeping the manager going to get us up the table."
No guarantees but more likely to than sacking him.
I disagree. I believe an experienced manager could get a tune out of this decent group of players. An Ian McCall or even a dick campbell.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 6 Oct 18:53
My assessment of the five players acquired recently is -
Oluwayemi - has brought a bit of confidence and can change the point and method of attack with his kicking. Missing the last three games through injury disappointed everyone and at the moment we can only assume it`s not a long-term injury.
Fogarty - has become a fixture in the centre of the defence and I haven`t heard any serious criticism of him.
Cooper - offers something different floating between midfield and attack. It may be his main contribution will be as an impact sub but that`s no bad thing in the modern game.
Clay - adds a bit of grit in midfield and probably isn`t fully match-fit yet.
Mebude - only played 20 minutes yesterday and showed he too offers something different as he likes to run with the ball and take men on.
I would say the jury is still out on them. I also think Matty Todd will get better as he gains match fitness.
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Mon 7 Oct 09:48
I`m basing my claim that sacking the manager and replacing him in our present situation will be less likely to move us up the table, on our previous history of signing impact managers, who failed to produce the goods and got us relegated. As for septuagenarian Dick Campbell (give us a break). His last stint was to oversee the beginning of the demise of Arbroath and the new impact manager McIntyre sealed the deal. Falkirk also went down the route of several sackings, which consigned them to the seaside league for several years. There were serious calls for McGlynn`s head too in the very recent past. McCall had very limited success at Firhill and I just don`t see him as our man at all.
Post Edited (Mon 07 Oct 10:00)
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Mon 7 Oct 10:18
Absolutely wild take on Campbell`s time at Arbroath.
Also, ignores the job he is currently doing.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
Post Edited (Mon 07 Oct 10:19)
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Mon 7 Oct 10:58
I suggest you listen to Ian Campbells` interview after the 5-0 win.
Paraphrasing, but.."were more glad of the clean sheet as this team will always score goals."
That`s exactly the attitude we need.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 7 Oct 11:17
Quote:
weemike, Mon 7 Oct 10:58
I suggest you listen to Ian Campbells` interview after the 5-0 win.
Paraphrasing, but.."were more glad of the clean sheet as this team will always score goals."
That`s exactly the attitude we need.
That’s comparing apples and oranges tho.
He’s talking about a team in a different league, with a different squad.
COYP
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Mon 7 Oct 11:35
Quote:
NMCmassive, Mon 7 Oct 11:17
Quote:
weemike, Mon 7 Oct 10:58
I suggest you listen to Ian Campbells` interview after the 5-0 win.
Paraphrasing, but.."were more glad of the clean sheet as this team will always score goals."
That`s exactly the attitude we need.
That’s comparing apples and oranges tho.
He’s talking about a team in a different league, with a different squad.
And if you compare celtic to spurs or Barcelona to Man city, you`ll see similarities in style and set up despite different teams in different leagues with different squads.
A teams style is an extension of the coaching staff`s mindset and training.
Our style is tedious at best.
Post Edited (Mon 07 Oct 11:42)
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Topic Originator: gordi-b
Date: Mon 7 Oct 11:46
weemike wrote:
> Quote:
NMCmassive, Mon 7 Oct 11:17
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> Quote:
weemike, Mon 7 Oct 10:58
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> I suggest you listen to Ian Campbells` interview after the 5-0
> win.
>
> Paraphrasing, but.."were more glad of the clean sheet as
> this team will always score goals."
>
> That`s exactly the attitude we need.
>
> That’s comparing apples and oranges tho.
>
> He’s talking about a team in a different league, with a
> different squad.
>
> And if you compare celtic to spurs or Barcelona to Man city,
> you`ll see similarities in style and set up despite different
> teams in different leagues with different squads.
>
> A teams style is an extension of the coaching staff`s mindset
> and training.
>
> Our style is tedious at best.
>
> Post Edited (Mon 07 Oct 11:42)
Tedious is a great description of us , Ponderous is another
G.B
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 7 Oct 12:00
East Fife`s 5-0 win over Bonnyrigg was against 10 men. The man was sent off after 14 minutes for conceding a penalty and it was 0-0 at the time. Three of the goals were scored in the last 20 minutes. I thought wins against 10 men didn`t count in assessing a team`s performance? I`m sure I read that on here somewhere.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Mon 7 Oct 12:25
Depends if it`s in the context of 7 league wins in 8 games - or 2 draws and 5 defeats from the other 7 games.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 7 Oct 12:31
OK; I thought it depended on who the manager was.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Mon 7 Oct 12:53
Ok, depends if the manager has started his campaign with 18 points out of 24 in the other games - or 2 points from 21.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Mon 7 Oct 13:07
Quote:
wee eck, Mon 7 Oct 12:00
East Fife`s 5-0 win over Bonnyrigg was against 10 men. The man was sent off after 14 minutes for conceding a penalty and it was 0-0 at the time. Three of the goals were scored in the last 20 minutes. I thought wins against 10 men didn`t count in assessing a team`s performance? I`m sure I read that on here somewhere.
5-0 is the kind of result you should achieve against 10 men at home.
24 goals In 9 games speaks for itself.
They probably would`ve won the game against 11 men.
We probably wouldn`t have won against 11 men.
Big difference
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 7 Oct 13:46
A few folk would PROBABLY have won the pools if football results had gone the way they should have. I`ve seen plenty teams struggle against 10 men. A lot depends on the score at the time the man was sent off. East Fife converted the penalty so Bonnyrigg were chasing the game. We started from 0-0.
Let`s face it, if we`d beaten Raith playing against 11 men plenty on here would have given McPake no credit anyway. They would just have judged it in the context of the previous results.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Mon 7 Oct 13:53
You picked a very strange hill to die on just for the sake of wanting an argument.
The fact remains they are a potent side going forward! we are not,
It`s the exact attitude we are lacking.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 7 Oct 13:57
Maybe one day you`ll tell us what you think the point of a forum is.
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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar
Date: Mon 7 Oct 14:06
Quote:
wee eck, Mon 7 Oct 13:57
Maybe one day you`ll tell us what you think the point of a forum is.
A forum is a platform where users can engage in discussions , share information, exchange ideas related to various topics
Definitely not for the sake of an argument...........
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Mon 7 Oct 14:07
Quote:
wee eck, Mon 7 Oct 13:57
Maybe one day you`ll tell us what you think the point of a forum is.
You seem to think the point of the forum is to argue. You pick some strange spots. 🤔
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 7 Oct 14:40
If someone goes against the negative clique on .net they`re always seen as being argumentative. Or a happy clapper. Or both.
Kelty will provide a stiff test. If we win, we'll be given zero credit. If we lose it'll be the usual pile on.
What a time to be a Pars fan.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Mon 07 Oct 14:41)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 7 Oct 14:45
At the risk of being accused of starting an argument....
If I post something disagreeing with someone then I`m arguing? How is that different from anyone else who posts an alternative point of view? I`m genuinely curious. I`ve a feeling that there are some posters on here who are so convinced that they are right that they assume anyone who disagrees with them must be doing it deliberately just to provoke an argument. I think that`s why you are more likely to be criticised on here for being positive rather than negative. Negative comments far outnumber positive ones and that becomes the consensus.
ETA - Just saw da no 1`s post after I had posted; interesting that he has the same theory as me!
Post Edited (Mon 07 Oct 14:48)
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Mon 7 Oct 15:04
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wee eck, Mon 7 Oct 12:00
East Fife`s 5-0 win over Bonnyrigg was against 10 men. The man was sent off after 14 minutes for conceding a penalty and it was 0-0 at the time. Three of the goals were scored in the last 20 minutes. I thought wins against 10 men didn`t count in assessing a team`s performance? I`m sure I read that on here somewhere.
It`s the exact nature of this post specifically the 2nd half of it which is looking for an argument.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 7 Oct 15:14
It was an attempt at humour but I should have realised that was misguided on here. I still think it`s a fair point though. How many folk discounted our win against the Rovers because they had a man sent off?
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Topic Originator: DJAS
Date: Mon 7 Oct 15:15
I’m not sure how anybody can still back him tbh. Patience of a saint. I can’t see us getting rid of him with the current owners in place though unfortunately. Not been easy supporting us the last few years and it gets that bit harder when the temperature drops again!
Predictor league winner 2012/2013
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Mon 7 Oct 15:23
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wee eck, Mon 7 Oct 15:14
It was an attempt at humour but I should have realised that was misguided on here. I still think it`s a fair point though. How many folk discounted our win against the Rovers because they had a man sent off?
Humour or not.
You meant that In the context it was taken as. You even double down it in your next few posts and even in the last post.
Fwiw, I have discounted our victory against rovers as it was against 10 men.
But the doesn`t change the fact that we should have a more attacking mindset. One that seems to be instilled at East Fife would be fine.
If they can do it, then why can`t we?
I believe our coaching staff is incapable.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 7 Oct 15:56
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da_no_1, Mon 7 Oct 14:40
If someone goes against the negative clique on .net they`re always seen as being argumentative. Or a happy clapper. Or both.
Kelty will provide a stiff test. If we win, we`ll be given zero credit. If we lose it`ll be the usual pile on.
What a time to be a Pars fan.
If we lose to Kelty then heads should roll. That`s nothing against Kelty. They`re a very good team but they`re lower league. We should be beating them with relative ease.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Mon 7 Oct 16:09
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da_no_1, Mon 7 Oct 14:40
If someone goes against the negative clique on .net they`re always seen as being argumentative. Or a happy clapper. Or both.
Kelty will provide a stiff test. If we win, we`ll be given zero credit. If we lose it`ll be the usual pile on.
What a time to be a Pars fan.
Should all be forgiven if we beat kelty surely we should be expecting to beat a team in the lower division? If we get beat we absolutely should be asking questions of the management surely ?
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 7 Oct 16:12
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cammypar 1995, Mon 7 Oct 16:09
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 7 Oct 14:40
If someone goes against the negative clique on .net they`re always seen as being argumentative. Or a happy clapper. Or both.
Kelty will provide a stiff test. If we win, we`ll be given zero credit. If we lose it`ll be the usual pile on.
What a time to be a Pars fan.
Should all be forgiven if we beat kelty surely we should be expecting to beat a team in the lower division? If we get beat we absolutely should be asking questions of the management surely ?
No but it`s a start.
Yes. You don`t ask questions. You repeatedly denand for them to be bulleted. This won`t happen til new owners are in place.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Mon 07 Oct 16:12)
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Mon 7 Oct 16:19
Quote:
wee eck, Mon 7 Oct 15:14
It was an attempt at humour but I should have realised that was misguided on here. I still think it`s a fair point though. How many folk discounted our win against the Rovers because they had a man sent off?
I was prepared to give him a chance after the Raith game. Not for the win but how we came out from the start and had a go, showed some attacking intent.
In the 3 games since then we`ve went back to offering very little.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Mon 7 Oct 17:01
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da_no_1, Mon 7 Oct 16:12
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cammypar 1995, Mon 7 Oct 16:09
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da_no_1, Mon 7 Oct 14:40
If someone goes against the negative clique on .net they`re always seen as being argumentative. Or a happy clapper. Or both.
Kelty will provide a stiff test. If we win, we`ll be given zero credit. If we lose it`ll be the usual pile on.
What a time to be a Pars fan.
Should all be forgiven if we beat kelty surely we should be expecting to beat a team in the lower division? If we get beat we absolutely should be asking questions of the management surely ?
No but it`s a start.
Yes. You don`t ask questions. You repeatedly denand for them to be bulleted. This won`t happen til new owners are in place.
I wouldn`t say I`m in any position of authority to demand anyone to be sacked. What I do though is provide stats on which i base my opinion around for guys like wee Eck and co who still think that the management team are somehow unfairly treated by the majority on here.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Mon 7 Oct 17:26
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wee eck, Mon 7 Oct 13:57
Maybe one day you`ll tell us what you think the point of a forum is.
The absolute irony of this
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 7 Oct 17:30
I just think it`s pointless to keep making the same arguments over and over again. It really doesn`t matter what anyone on here thinks. Having given McPake money to spend I can`t see the board sacking him, at least until they see the outcome of his dealings.
On the financial side I would imagine the German owners will want their loans repaid so any expenditure to get rid of the management team will just add to the cost of any potential investors.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 7 Oct 17:32
You`ll have to explain that one to me, Andrew 283. Is that ironical too?
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