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Topic Originator: Big G Ball
Date: Sat 28 Sep 16:25
Won’t be back until the club changes from top to bottom as we are absolutely stinking……..not a bit of imagination about our play and manager sits on his bottom looking clueless
The board are killing our club and the manager hasn’t a clue what to do with the players he had available
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 28 Sep 16:40
Don’t worry big G, rumours are mcpake close to bringing in another centre back and defensive midfielder next week to help shore us up!
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Big G Ball
Date: Sat 28 Sep 16:56
Hopefully the cheque bounces
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Topic Originator: nazpar
Date: Sat 28 Sep 17:03
So it seems if any player that gets booked in the first half gets hooked at half time .we definitely need an out and out striker .in my opinion Lewis McCann just isn`t up to the job
nazpar
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Topic Originator: Toddyrov
Date: Sat 28 Sep 17:12
It’s time now, bore the life out you too two down then attack
Effe
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Topic Originator: Parster
Date: Sat 28 Sep 17:24
Does the managers tactics come from the same manual as Steve Clarks defend till last quarter and hope to nick a goal things have to change we are that negative none of the players know how to go forward
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 28 Sep 17:29
Don’t say that Naz, he’s one of our own despite being repeatedly proven to be unable to perform at this level and thats enough for some.
Keep playing dross every week don’t be surprised when that’s what you get every week.
Post Edited (Sat 28 Sep 17:36)
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sat 28 Sep 17:33
This plaster should have been ripped off after QP 0-3 last season.
Gotta laugh at the gaslighting statement from the board last month. Wonder if they are still thinking the management team are adequate.
Fannies the lot of them.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sat 28 Sep 17:35
Quote:
Berkey, Sat 28 Sept 17:29
Don’t say that Naz, he’s one of our own despite being repeatedly proven to be unable to perform at this level and that enough for some.
Keep playing dross don’t be suprised when that’s what you get.
It`s the management and coaching, not the players
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sat 28 Sep 17:45
I think we have some good players ,either played out of position or playing tactics alien to them ,I think new manager could lift this team
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Topic Originator: jojo
Date: Sat 28 Sep 17:49
Been reluctant to consider sacking McPake and given him benefit of doubt even through last season and LC group debacle but having seen little or no momentum built on from Rovers Friday night victory it’s time to act. Go for Peter Leven or Andy Kirk
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Topic Originator: PARadise
Date: Sat 28 Sep 17:52
Can’t fault the players efforts, that performance is fully down to the manager. Time is up.
Side note, I assumed he was injured but he takes young off five minutes into the second half after they clearly made changes at half time and had 15 mins to go through them, he then changes again five mins in to get another attacker on. That’s a manager that is out of his depth.
Get Murray in.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 28 Sep 17:55
It’s not always weemike. Poor players can become better with coaching etc but more is required.
In mccanns case he’s he’s plenty of different coaches and managers fail to get anything out of him in the last 6 seasons.
We can defo have more of a go at teams and that comes from the direction of the manager but if they ain’t good enough then ultimately we’ll fall short.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 28 Sep 17:55
There’s a chap who did well at Ayr looking for a job ….
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Turps
Date: Sat 28 Sep 17:58
Quote:
buffy, Sat 28 Sept 17:55
There’s a chap who did well at Ayr looking for a job ….
Ian McCall? He`s at Clyde.
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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar
Date: Sat 28 Sep 18:29
Is he called Lee Bullen by any chance?
matt forsyth
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Topic Originator: The Boss
Date: Sat 28 Sep 18:33
I’d take Bullen.
I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 28 Sep 18:37
Id take anyone who plays our only scoring striker over wighton.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Row_ZZ
Date: Sat 28 Sep 18:43
Enough`s enough. McPake is hopeless. There`ll be plenty managers out there that`ll get this team doing better. Won`t happen though, which is a disgrace. Better managers have been sacked for less.
"A smile might be good!"
"Nothing to smile about in my life"
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 28 Sep 19:03
Imagine how amazing we`ll be when Lewis McCann leaves. All.our woes will disappear. Hopefully some of his "supporters" will too.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Pars Athletic
Date: Sat 28 Sep 19:05
He`s had over 2 seasons in charge and I`ve never seen any identity to our play. What is his goal with this team? People want to see attacking football and be entertained. We constantly play slow turgid football. Even Kane who looked like a burst of energy last season has dropped off due to his management style. Mcpake time should be up but he`s lucky we don`t have a pot to p*ss in or he would be out the door.
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Topic Originator: summeragent
Date: Sat 28 Sep 19:05
Quote:
nazpar, Sat 28 Sep 17:03
So it seems if any player that gets booked in the first half gets hooked at half time .we definitely need an out and out striker .in my opinion Lewis McCann just isn`t up to the job
Why are you singling out Lewis McCann? Kane and Wighton are less effective than him!
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Sat 28 Sep 19:06
I get that we can`t afford to sack him but it`s going to be very difficult to sell a 1st division team. So maybe it`s better for the owners to speculate to accumulate by getting rid of the management team in the hope of keeping us in the Championship, making us a more attractive purchase.
I can`t see it happening though.
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Topic Originator: summeragent
Date: Sat 28 Sep 19:07
Quote:
weemike, Sat 28 Sep 17:35
Quote:
Berkey, Sat 28 Sept 17:29
Don’t say that Naz, he’s one of our own despite being repeatedly proven to be unable to perform at this level and that enough for some.
Keep playing dross don’t be suprised when that’s what you get.
It`s the management and coaching, not the players
Agree…
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Topic Originator: DJAS
Date: Sat 28 Sep 19:14
Not a McCann fan but picking him out today is poor. Much better than Kane today, in fact much better than most of them out there today.
Predictor league winner 2012/2013
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Topic Originator: Angus_W
Date: Sat 28 Sep 19:15
For an hour we were hopeless & I seriously questioned my sanity to continuously watch this pitiful effort. QP were beating us and quite comfortably. The last 20 minutes were a lot better but we still have nothing to show for it at the end of the day.
McPake - Face facts we are stuck with this management team GmbH have no more interest in the Pars & they’re not bankrolling a new management team - not going to happen.
McPake & Co need to find answers and fast, the Airdrie game is huge - We need to take something from it.
“.........it ain’t over till the Pars score!”
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Topic Originator: summeragent
Date: Sat 28 Sep 19:16
Quote:
DJAS, Sat 28 Sep 19:14
Not a McCann fan but picking him out today is poor. Much better than Kane today, in fact much better than most of them out there today.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 28 Sep 19:18
Not a hard bar, unless effort is all it takes.
Problem is quite a few of this squad took us down last time. So under 3 different managers and still have not performed well enough in this league.
Mcpake has just added or kept more league 1 level players than championship
Players.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: DJAS
Date: Sat 28 Sep 19:34
Quote:
Berkey, Sat 28 Sep 19:18
Not a hard bar, unless effort is all it takes.
Problem is quite a few of this squad took us down last time. So under 3 different managers and still have not performed well enough in this league.
Mcpake has just added or kept more league 1 level players than championship
Players.
Hard bar or not he has been picked out again in a game where he was one of the better ones on the park. We were **** everywhere for 70 odd minutes. Manager needs to take responsibility for the mess we are in.
Predictor league winner 2012/2013
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Sat 28 Sep 19:50
"McPake - Face facts we are stuck with this management team GmbH have no more interest in the Pars & they’re not bankrolling a new management team - not going to happen."
they just bankrolled new signings with presumably Mebude to be announced also, if there is a chance the sale could happen in days or a couple of weeks at the latest then it might save McPake, if not and its "business as usual" as Cook/McPake both said then he should be gone.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 29 Sep 08:12
If your a player in a team where everyone has lost faith in the manager but the only reason he is still there is because there is no money to sack him, how do you play? Do you even care?
Over half this team know this is thier last season at this level regardless.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: The Boss
Date: Sun 29 Sep 09:16
Time should have been up last season. You can’t blame injuries forever. Maybe we need to go down again to rebuild the club. I don’t think there is one part of the club that is a success. It’s amateur from top to bottom.
I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sun 29 Sep 09:25
"Maybe we need to go down again to rebuild the club.`
I think if we go down then a Falkirk style 5 year spell is more likely than a rebuild. And that`s a best case scenario. If the GmbH group are able to sell when we`re in League One it might well be to a group with fewer resources available and we may be heading back to part time football. This season is absolutely massive - stay up and we might have a chance of building up. Go down and there`s no guarantee we`ll be back.
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Topic Originator: ParfectXI
Date: Sun 29 Sep 09:32
The board aren’t going to spend money to sack the manager! The only thing we can do is start telling him to resign in louder volumes during matches, to make it untenable for him to stay and hopefully he’ll get the message and walk.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 29 Sep 09:36
Quote:
ParfectXI, Sun 29 Sept 09:32
The board aren’t going to spend money to sack the manager! The only thing we can do is start telling him to resign in louder volumes during matches, to make it untenable for him to stay and hopefully he’ll get the message and walk.
Has it been considered that we likely have a lot of fans who aren`t ridiculously wealthy but could band together in their hundreds (thousands?) to contribute an agreed amount to firstly buy out the Germans and then continue a monthly subscription in the longer term?
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 29 Sep 09:48
Quote:
ParfectXI, Sun 29 Sept 09:32
The board aren’t going to spend money to sack the manager! The only thing we can do is start telling him to resign in louder volumes during matches, to make it untenable for him to stay and hopefully he’ll get the message and walk.
Do you really think any manager, with a mortgage and other bills to pay and a young family to support, is going to resign because a group of fans shout at him to do so? It may be the honourable thing to do in your eyes, but it`s not how it works in the real world. There was no lack of teachers that I worked alongside that weren`t that great ( and I include myself when I started out) but not one of them ever tendered their resignation.
Another consideration is that if the manager resigns, he puts the rest of his management team in a difficult situation.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sun 29 Sep 09:55
An ex pro turned football manager should have enough put by for 12 months outta work.
If he wants to get his next job at any meaningful level, QOS, arbroath, etc, then resigning now means he has a higher chance.
The longer this goes on, the lower his stock becomes.
At some point, he has to think of his career.
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Topic Originator: KirklistonPar
Date: Sun 29 Sep 10:14
Something has to change and I can’t see it being a new manager, sadly. We should be starting every home game on the front foot. Like we did against Raith. Were never gonna win a game if we’re only playing for the last 20 minutes trying to get back into the game. McPake has always commented on training sessions being great but it very rarely shows in match. Do our training sessions need to change, are players being trained to hard? We still seem to have an issue with player injuries.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 29 Sep 10:19
Quote:
KirklistonPar, Sun 29 Sept 10:14
Something has to change and I can’t see it being a new manager, sadly. We should be starting every home game on the front foot. Like we did against Raith. Were never gonna win a game if we’re only playing for the last 20 minutes trying to get back into the game. McPake has always commented on training sessions being great but it very rarely shows in match. Do our training sessions need to change, are players being trained to hard? We still seem to have an issue with player injuries.
Ayr Falkirk and Raith all missing important players thro injuries yesterday.
Dunno what it is but it`s not just us.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: MinnesotaAndy
Date: Sun 29 Sep 10:21
Yesterday was about as bad a performance as you can get. It was almost as if the players had not woken up on the need to compete until the closing minutes. All very strange.
I`d give current management another seven games to see if they can get things turned around.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 29 Sep 10:26
Quote:
Berkey, Sat 28 Sep 17:29
Don’t say that Naz, he’s one of our own despite being repeatedly proven to be unable to perform at this level and thats enough for some.
Keep playing dross every week don’t be surprised when that’s what you get every week.
McCann wasn’t the problem yesterday.
COYP
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 29 Sep 10:39
Quote:
DJAS, Sat 28 Sep 19:14
Not a McCann fan but picking him out today is poor. Much better than Kane today, in fact much better than most of them out there today.
☝🏻 this.
I honestly don’t know what some folk are watching.
Someone round me yesterday started shouting at Hamilton because of Witherspoon’s pass 🤷🏻♂️ like seriously, have a look at what’s happening in front of you. Giving away that foul was about the only positive thing Hamilton done yesterday.
McCann to his credit has been one of the better performers this season.
The team as a whole though, I don’t know. Feeling a bit perplexed today. I still don’t think sacking the manager with 0 plans is the answer but if we had someone who can offer something, get the guys moving… It would be hard to say no to. That was seriously crap yesterday.
COYP
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 29 Sep 10:42
I`m resigned to watching dross like yesterday until we somehow find new owners.
There`s no chance of McPake being sacked by the current owners.
And another thing.......booing one of your own players' name being read out at 2.55......just **** off and don't come back.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Sun 29 Sep 10:43)
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 29 Sep 10:43
Quote:
weemike, Sun 29 Sep 09:55
An ex pro turned football manager should have enough put by for 12 months outta work.
If he wants to get his next job at any meaningful level, QOS, arbroath, etc, then resigning now means he has a higher chance.
The longer this goes on, the lower his stock becomes.
At some point, he has to think of his career.
Speculation on someone’s personal finances because they’ve been in the public eye. I’ve no doubt McPake has been a good earner but I also doubt he drives about in a Dacia.
More money = more bills
COYP
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 29 Sep 10:45
Quote:
da_no_1, Sun 29 Sep 10:42
I`m resigned to watching dross like yesterday until we somehow find new owners.
There`s no chance of McPake being sacked by the current owners.
And another thing.......booing one of your own players` name being read out at 2.55......just **** off and don`t come back.
I noticed that as well.
I didn’t like it either.
COYP
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sun 29 Sep 10:50
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sun 29 Sept 10:43
Quote:
weemike, Sun 29 Sep 09:55
An ex pro turned football manager should have enough put by for 12 months outta work.
If he wants to get his next job at any meaningful level, QOS, arbroath, etc, then resigning now means he has a higher chance.
The longer this goes on, the lower his stock becomes.
At some point, he has to think of his career.
Speculation on someone’s personal finances because they’ve been in the public eye. I’ve no doubt McPake has been a good earner but I also doubt he drives about in a Dacia.
More money = more bills
I`ve no doubt his bills are higher, but the nature of his profession should dictate that he has the ability to withstand longer periods without a job than the normal person.
This is in response to GG`s comment which makes it sound like he is just like the rest of us.
His professional situation is not like ours and his finances will accommodate the difference.
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Topic Originator: sonofpetrie
Date: Sun 29 Sep 10:55
Quote:
GG Riva, Sun 29 Sep 09:48
Quote:
ParfectXI, Sun 29 Sept 09:32
The board aren’t going to spend money to sack the manager! The only thing we can do is start telling him to resign in louder volumes during matches, to make it untenable for him to stay and hopefully he’ll get the message and walk.
Do you really think any manager, with a mortgage and other bills to pay and a young family to support, is going to resign because a group of fans shout at him to do so? It may be the honourable thing to do in your eyes, but it`s not how it works in the real world. There was no lack of teachers that I worked alongside that weren`t that great ( and I include myself when I started out) but not one of them ever tendered their resignation.
Another consideration is that if the manager resigns, he puts the rest of his management team in a difficult situation.
He`s not been very sensible with his money if he can`t go. He has earned a great deal of money throughout his career, in particular as a player. Maybe should cut back on the £900 jackets he wears in the dugout and fancy cars?
Comparing it to your career isn`t particularly accurate GG. I work alongside teachers in the public sector and you probably know more than most how protected and safe that sector is.
Probably easier to compare it to an unskilled private sector job where you are constantly at risk. If you are gash at your job you are out. Redundancies coming up? You are out. Constantly making the same mistakes at work? You are out. It would make no difference sitting down at a performance review or round of redundancy meeting to say "but I`ve got a family". I`ve seen it first hand in real life. I`ve experienced it first hand.
When he finished as a player absolutely no-one put a gun to his head and said the only thing you can now do is be a manager. So for that reason I have no sympathy for him. He`s just not very good at his job.
I suppose the same thing rings true for me when people say the "but he`s got a family" about players too. This career is a privilege not an entitlement.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary"
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Sun 29 Sep 11:14
I don`t think blaming individual players helps to be honest. It`s a team sport so there should be collective responsibility. I get individual mistakes cause goals but it was an overall poor performance tgat led to a defeat which is the more important consideration.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 29 Sep 11:19
I don`t think anyone builds up a nest-egg to make it easy for them to resign from a job without immediate prospects of re-employment. Life has plenty of other unforeseeable pitfalls you have to insure against without creating one yourself. There might be exceptional circumstances which might trigger a resignation (eg a health issue) but otherwise I can`t see it happening.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sun 29 Sep 11:30
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 29 Sept 11:19
I don`t think anyone builds up a nest-egg to make it easy for them to resign from a job without immediate prospects of re-employment. Life has plenty of other unforeseeable pitfalls you have to insure against without creating one yourself. There might be exceptional circumstances which might trigger a resignation (eg a health issue) but otherwise I can`t see it happening.
It`s for a period without a job, which his profession will have more than the laymans.
I believe that given our situation, it will be more likely that he resigns than sacked.
The sooner he resigns, the better for his career unless he turns it around.
But as it looks, we are going down. Unless we can play against 10 men at home every week.
He is uninspiring, and the squad has regressed under his leadership. The longer he says, the more the outside world can see it.
If he leaves today.....he has the uncertainty of the board as benefit of the doubt.
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Topic Originator: The Boss
Date: Sun 29 Sep 11:37
Quote:
MinnesotaAndy, Sun 29 Sep 10:21
Yesterday was about as bad a performance as you can get. It was almost as if the players had not woken up on the need to compete until the closing minutes. All very strange.
I`d give current management another seven games to see if they can get things turned around.
Seven games? Deary me! I wouldn’t even give him until Monday. They’ve had plenty of time and money to turn things around. Nothing has improved. It’s still the same dull football with hardly no attacking.
Booing your own players is shocking to be honest. Never understood it. I remember fans booing Stephen Simmons on the park as a sub. I remember fans didn’t seem to bother about booing him at the time though 🤔. How things change.
I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 29 Sep 11:41
I think football people have a different mindset from fans. They need to have self-belief or they would get nowhere in their chosen career.
`If he leaves today.....he has the uncertainty of the board as benefit of the doubt.`
I haven`t a clue what that means.
Btw, I`ve seen plenty teams struggle against 10 men, including the Pars.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sun 29 Sep 11:49
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 29 Sept 11:41
I think football people have a different mindset from fans. They need to have self-belief or they would get nowhere in their chosen career.
`If he leaves today.....he has the uncertainty of the board as benefit of the doubt.`
I haven`t a clue what that means.
Btw, I`ve seen plenty teams struggle against 10 men, including the Pars.
At his next job interview, he can state that the board situation had impacted his ability to do his job.
The longer he sticks around, the more the focus of blame will shift to him.
Our only positive game this season came on the back of playing against 10 men for the majority of the game.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 29 Sep 11:56
Managers and coaches are like contractors so know they can be paid off at a moments notice. If they aren`t smart enough to have a reserve to cover gaps then they`re clearly not that clever!
That all said, why would you choose to walk away when you`ve got a pay off waiting if you get sacked? Walking away wouldn`t be clever either.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 29 Sep 12:30
Quote:
weemike, Sun 29 Sep 10:50
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sun 29 Sept 10:43
Quote:
weemike, Sun 29 Sep 09:55
An ex pro turned football manager should have enough put by for 12 months outta work.
If he wants to get his next job at any meaningful level, QOS, arbroath, etc, then resigning now means he has a higher chance.
The longer this goes on, the lower his stock becomes.
At some point, he has to think of his career.
Speculation on someone’s personal finances because they’ve been in the public eye. I’ve no doubt McPake has been a good earner but I also doubt he drives about in a Dacia.
More money = more bills
I`ve no doubt his bills are higher, but the nature of his profession should dictate that he has the ability to withstand longer periods without a job than the normal person.
This is in response to GG`s comment which makes it sound like he is just like the rest of us.
His professional situation is not like ours and his finances will accommodate the difference.
https://www.moneynest.co.uk/bankrupt-footballers/
More money = more bills.
COYP
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sun 29 Sep 12:45
More money = more bills
More money = more bills.
More money = more savings.
Especially a football manager whose profession has long periods of unemployment.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 29 Sep 13:03
Quote:
weemike, Sun 29 Sep 12:45
More money = more bills
More money = more bills.
More money = more savings.
Especially a football manager whose profession has long periods of unemployment.
😂😂😂
You seem green with envy at McPakes money 🤷🏻♂️
I take it you never read the article?
What use is speculation about his personal finances anyway? Apart from the fact it’s got absolutely nothing to do with anyone apart from McPake, imagine making stuff up about how much money someone may or may not have on a football forum…
COYP
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Sun 29 Sep 13:13
Exactly.
If you are sacked then you get the remainder of your contract paid up so would have the luxury of that buffer at least for the money dropping in for x amount of months, obviously wouldn`t last forever or you would surrender that if you then took on another job.
Remember hearing that one of the reasons Jim McIntyre doesn`t hold us in particularly high regard is that he lost out on a fair bit of money due in severance pay by virtue of us going into administration.
Anyways it`s a bit daft to be talking about personal stuff like this on a forum.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sun 29 Sep 13:20
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NMCmassive, Sun 29 Sept 13:03
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weemike, Sun 29 Sep 12:45
More money = more bills
More money = more bills.
More money = more savings.
Especially a football manager whose profession has long periods of unemployment.
😂😂😂
You seem green with envy at McPakes money 🤷🏻♂️
I take it you never read the article?
What use is speculation about his personal finances anyway? Apart from the fact it’s got absolutely nothing to do with anyone apart from McPake, imagine making stuff up about how much money someone may or may not have on a football forum…
The speculation is about if he can afford to resign or not.
Yes, I`m green with envy.
You seem hell-bent on arguing?
Do you think he should resign or be sacked?
I did read the article, but it doesn`t really apply as post retirement. Mcpake has found a line of work.
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Topic Originator: SeasonedPar
Date: Sun 29 Sep 14:13
There might come a tipping point when declining attendances, hospitality, merchandise etc outweigh the cost of giving that P45 to a manager who’s lost his way. Nobody likes to see people losing jobs, but that tipping point must become a real possibility if he can’t turn things around soon.
Keeping fingers crossed we scrape enough points together to avoid relegation isn’t going to encourage me or many others back. It’s not entertainment. Very disillusioned with the Pars atm.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 29 Sep 15:26
Yeah loose the next 2 games and we’ll be clear at the bottom and attendances will really dip as the rot sets in.
Then they might well be in a position where they can’t afford not to sack him then.
Perhaps they can bring in someone else to ‘support’ mcpake? Ie another manager, and if it helps pushes mcpake out the door that’s on him or on the other hand it might be the making of him.
What I don’t get is if mcpake is in sackable due to cost then why the duck not have a go every game? He’s got nothing to lose then.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Sun 29 Sep 15:33
For some reason, I’m not able to quote but just picking up on 2 points.
- Stephen Simmons, blast from the past, what an awful player he was but I did feel sorry for the abuse he took at the time, ironically we’ve had worse since him and they’ve had nowhere near the same amount of verbals.
- Sacked managers get their contracts paid up…..I believe (from an Ex-SPFL Chairman) that they don’t, the club have to come up with an agreement to pay them off, that agreement tends to be 3 months pay but not always. Multiply this by his backroom staff, then it can be expensive but not as expensive as paying out the 3 or 4 contracts.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 29 Sep 15:44
Quote:
weemike, Sun 29 Sep 13:20
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NMCmassive, Sun 29 Sept 13:03
Quote:
weemike, Sun 29 Sep 12:45
More money = more bills
More money = more bills.
More money = more savings.
Especially a football manager whose profession has long periods of unemployment.
😂😂😂
You seem green with envy at McPakes money 🤷🏻♂️
I take it you never read the article?
What use is speculation about his personal finances anyway? Apart from the fact it’s got absolutely nothing to do with anyone apart from McPake, imagine making stuff up about how much money someone may or may not have on a football forum…
The speculation is about if he can afford to resign or not.
Yes, I`m green with envy.
You seem hell-bent on arguing?
Do you think he should resign or be sacked?
I did read the article, but it doesn`t really apply as post retirement. Mcpake has found a line of work.
I’m no arguing with you.
I’m saying you’re talking 💩
COYP
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 29 Sep 15:50
Quote:
sonofpetrie, Sun 29 Sept 10:55
He`s not been very sensible with his money if he can`t go. He has earned a great deal of money throughout his career, in particular as a player. Maybe should cut back on the £900 jackets he wears in the dugout and fancy cars?
Comparing it to your career isn`t particularly accurate GG. I work alongside teachers in the public sector and you probably know more than most how protected and safe that sector is.
Probably easier to compare it to an unskilled private sector job where you are constantly at risk. If you are gash at your job you are out. Redundancies coming up? You are out. Constantly making the same mistakes at work? You are out. It would make no difference sitting down at a performance review or round of redundancy meeting to say "but I`ve got a family". I`ve seen it first hand in real life. I`ve experienced it first hand.
When he finished as a player absolutely no-one put a gun to his head and said the only thing you can now do is be a manager. So for that reason I have no sympathy for him. He`s just not very good at his job.
I suppose the same thing rings true for me when people say the "but he`s got a family" about players too. This career is a privilege not an entitlement.
I wasn`t actually comparing teaching to football management, SoP, although I did take a school team for many years. 😀 I`m also aware that teachers are a protected species and once you`re in, you`re in. It`s the only sector I have any experience in, however. We weren`t discussing anyone being sacked, though, but the probability of anyone resigning.
A football manager/head coach could be absolutely minted and still not resign, no matter how bad things get. Remember Jocky Scott? He wanted £90k after he was sacked for failing to win promotion from an almost impregnable position. And what about Jose Mourinho? How often has he resigned? He`s hardly short of a few quid. Didn`t he get an £18m pay off from Man U, not to mention Real, Spurs and Chelsea (twice). Tbh, I don`t blame him. If club owners/CEOs are stupid enough to offer such crazy contracts, they deserve all they get
How much James McPake earns now or as a player, is totally irrelevant to this discussion. I don`t agree with those who maintain that by refusing to walk away now, will damage his chances of getting another job. I`m sure we can all think of p,enty of managers who seem to get sacked and then walk almost straight into another job.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sun 29 Sep 16:37
I’m no arguing with you.
I’m saying you’re talking 💩
So do you think his time is up?
What`s your opinion on his tenure?
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Topic Originator: sonofpetrie
Date: Sun 29 Sep 17:28
Quote:
GG Riva, Sun 29 Sep 15:50
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sonofpetrie, Sun 29 Sept 10:55
He`s not been very sensible with his money if he can`t go. He has earned a great deal of money throughout his career, in particular as a player. Maybe should cut back on the £900 jackets he wears in the dugout and fancy cars?
Comparing it to your career isn`t particularly accurate GG. I work alongside teachers in the public sector and you probably know more than most how protected and safe that sector is.
Probably easier to compare it to an unskilled private sector job where you are constantly at risk. If you are gash at your job you are out. Redundancies coming up? You are out. Constantly making the same mistakes at work? You are out. It would make no difference sitting down at a performance review or round of redundancy meeting to say "but I`ve got a family". I`ve seen it first hand in real life. I`ve experienced it first hand.
When he finished as a player absolutely no-one put a gun to his head and said the only thing you can now do is be a manager. So for that reason I have no sympathy for him. He`s just not very good at his job.
I suppose the same thing rings true for me when people say the "but he`s got a family" about players too. This career is a privilege not an entitlement.
I wasn`t actually comparing teaching to football management, SoP, although I did take a school team for many years. 😀 I`m also aware that teachers are a protected species and once you`re in, you`re in. It`s the only sector I have any experience in, however. We weren`t discussing anyone being sacked, though, but the probability of anyone resigning.
A football manager/head coach could be absolutely minted and still not resign, no matter how bad things get. Remember Jocky Scott? He wanted £90k after he was sacked for failing to win promotion from an almost impregnable position. And what about Jose Mourinho? How often has he resigned? He`s hardly short of a few quid. Didn`t he get an £18m pay off from Man U, not to mention Real, Spurs and Chelsea (twice). Tbh, I don`t blame him. If club owners/CEOs are stupid enough to offer such crazy contracts, they deserve all they get
How much James McPake earns now or as a player, is totally irrelevant to this discussion. I don`t agree with those who maintain that by refusing to walk away now, will damage his chances of getting another job. I`m sure we can all think of p,enty of managers who seem to get sacked and then walk almost straight into another job.
Fair points GG. I suppose it`s more of a frustration on my part that some (not implying you in any way) say things like "he`s got a young family" so we should "give him the benefit of the doubt" I am asking why? I parked next to a £60000 motor in the car park at east end yesterday that belongs to a very ineffectual striker from the club that has many years left in the workforce (football or otherwise) and I couldn`t help but shake my head. I`m sure everyone on here will jump on my reaction to that with "it`s no one`s business about personal finances" and they`re probably correct but football is unique in the way we as fans fund it. It`s very visible to all. I walked to the ground with the wife of a player right next to me with her £1500 hand bag. Again none of my business..however do not expect sympathy from me when it goes wrong.
Maybe it`s a cultural thing as footballers are held up on a pedestal. I`m watching the Man U spurs game and I wonder if the guys playing at our level get carried along with the glamour of the bigger leagues. Do they feel more akin to those guys? When in reality they are much closer to us?
I am not envious in the slightest. I am perfectly happy with the life I`ve built and that my family are taken care of. I do have to work hard and well for that to continue though. No-one is going to chap on my door and offer me a years wages to walk if I am 5hite at my job.
If McPake decided tomorrow "I really am failing here so I will resign" he would be on radio or TV within the fortnight being paid more for the appearance fee than some minimum wage workers get in a month.
So is it my business what he earns? No, probably not.
Does it bother me that they live beyond there means? Yes, but there is nothing I could do about that.
Would I sympathise if he lost his job tomorrow? Absolutely not. There are plenty of jobs out there. Asda, Tesco, fife council etc.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary"
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Sun 29 Sep 17:57
I don`t think there are many jobs where people are subjected to so much scrutiny. Personally, I would step back from calling for the sacking of anybody. These are peoples livelihoods. I think booing our own players is counter productive. We are going to lose games in this league. For me, it`s about the manner in which we lose and addressing the performance and how to create chances to score goals. Play to your strengths and work on your weaknesses.
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave
Date: Sun 29 Sep 19:02
Quote:
jake89, Sun 29 Sep 09:36
Quote:
ParfectXI, Sun 29 Sept 09:32
The board aren’t going to spend money to sack the manager! The only thing we can do is start telling him to resign in louder volumes during matches, to make it untenable for him to stay and hopefully he’ll get the message and walk.
Has it been considered that we likely have a lot of fans who aren`t ridiculously wealthy but could band together in their hundreds (thousands?) to contribute an agreed amount to firstly buy out the Germans and then continue a monthly subscription in the longer term?
^^^ Never been done before 🤔
DunfyDave
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 29 Sep 19:27
Quote:
sonofpetrie, Sun 29 Sept 17:28
Fair points GG. I suppose it`s more of a frustration on my part that some (not implying you in any way) say things like "he`s got a young family" so we should "give him the benefit of the doubt" I am asking why? I parked next to a £60000 motor in the car park at east end yesterday that belongs to a very ineffectual striker from the club that has many years left in the workforce (football or otherwise) and I couldn`t help but shake my head. I`m sure everyone on here will jump on my reaction to that with "it`s no one`s business about personal finances" and they`re probably correct but football is unique in the way we as fans fund it. It`s very visible to all. I walked to the ground with the wife of a player right next to me with her £1500 hand bag. Again none of my business..however do not expect sympathy from me when it goes wrong.
Maybe it`s a cultural thing as footballers are held up on a pedestal. I`m watching the Man U spurs game and I wonder if the guys playing at our level get carried along with the glamour of the bigger leagues. Do they feel more akin to those guys? When in reality they are much closer to us?
I am not envious in the slightest. I am perfectly happy with the life I`ve built and that my family are taken care of. I do have to work hard and well for that to continue though. No-one is going to chap on my door and offer me a years wages to walk if I am 5hite at my job.
If McPake decided tomorrow "I really am failing here so I will resign" he would be on radio or TV within the fortnight being paid more for the appearance fee than some minimum wage workers get in a month.
So is it my business what he earns? No, probably not.
Does it bother me that they live beyond there means? Yes, but there is nothing I could do about that.
Would I sympathise if he lost his job tomorrow? Absolutely not. There are plenty of jobs out there. Asda, Tesco, fife council etc.
Aye, there`s no doubt many young footballers have more money than sense. I guess it has a lot to do with their age. I`m sure I`d have loved a flash car at their age but I couldn`t afford one. Now I can, I couldn`t care less. Ironic, eh? It`s not the players (or managers) fault if they are offered silly money. Life will go on as normal if the Pars decide to dispense withJames McPake`s services, and he will be ready for it. I`d guess the majority of managers end up being sacked when results and performances take a turn for the worse.
I`ll be very surprised if he tenders his resignation. It would make no sense whatsoever to his family and could well initiate a domestic dispute. 🙄
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Sun 29 Sep 19:39
There`s just way too many times when we`re brutally difficult to watch.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 29 Sep 21:17
Quote:
weemike, Sun 29 Sep 16:37
I’m no arguing with you.
I’m saying you’re talking 💩
So do you think his time is up?
What`s your opinion on his tenure?
I’m really swithering.
That was god awful yesterday. I’d probably give him next week but if we’re going week to week then at some point somethings got to give.
Would a Lee Bullen or Ian Murray do a better job 🤷🏻♂️
COYP
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Topic Originator: thebear
Date: Mon 30 Sep 00:04
We now have squad, that should do well, but are not. Three players I would llose straight away, chalmers, mcann and wigton, but we need to improve defence and goal scoring., are we capable of it, is the manager capable of changing or motivating the team.
I am not syre
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Mon 30 Sep 00:09
Quote:
thebear, Mon 30 Sept 00:04
We now have squad, that should do well, but are not. Three players I would llose straight away, chalmers, mcann and wigton, but we need to improve defence and goal scoring., are we capable of it, is the manager capable of changing or motivating the team.
I am not syre
Wighton is more than capable, as he proved on Sat when given the chance.
Would you keep OHalloran ahead of Chalmers and McCann? Strange to single them out!
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Mon 30 Sep 06:35
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DBA, Mon 30 Sept 00:09
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thebear, Mon 30 Sept 00:04
We now have squad, that should do well, but are not. Three players I would llose straight away, chalmers, mcann and wigton, but we need to improve defence and goal scoring., are we capable of it, is the manager capable of changing or motivating the team.
I am not syre
Wighton is more than capable, as he proved on Sat when given the chance.
Would you keep OHalloran ahead of Chalmers and McCann? Strange to single them out!
Capable of what exactly? It wasn`t hard to come on and look okay on Saturday as we were that bad. He is a striker who doesn`t score enough goals. When we had the only striker at the club who is scoring ending the game on the bench. Criminal from the management team.
c'mon the pars
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