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Topic Originator: The Boss
Date: Sat 28 Sep 16:57
Time is up. Football has been horrendous for months! Fans are being short changed.
I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
Post Edited (Sat 28 Sep 17:00)
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Topic Originator: SAP PAR
Date: Sat 28 Sep 16:59
Not going to happen. The main investors don’t care what league we are in. They won’t waste money getting rid of the management team.
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Sat 28 Sep 16:59
Agree !
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 28 Sep 17:06
SAP PAR, they are surely more likely to get offer they can take and save face if we are a Championship club? Nobody is going to pay the money they`ll want if we are in League One.
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Topic Originator: SAP PAR
Date: Sat 28 Sep 17:12
We are worth the square root of feck all no matter what league we are in 😀
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 28 Sep 17:43
Some of mcpakes signings have effectively salted the earth for the next guy, well for this season anyway.
It’s looking like yet another poor transfer window by the looks of it. The goalkeeper looks like a crock same as last season, left back has gone from strongest position to weakest as we signed someone who looks meh and we’re still playing players every week who contribute nothing but running about.
Mcpakes no money excuse doesn’t wash now either, he’s just been p1ss poor in the market.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sat 28 Sep 17:48
we cant even defend corners ,Sorry but Mehmet simply doesnt come of his line at corners ,
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Topic Originator: dd23
Date: Sat 28 Sep 17:59
None of the corners they scored from today were down to Mehmet, neither of those crosses were his for the taking. The first was lowish towards the penalty box, the second was way beyond the back post. Those were for the defence to claim but they didn’t.
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sat 28 Sep 18:07
Quote:
dd23, Sat 28 Sep 17:59
None of the corners they scored from today were down to Mehmet, neither of those crosses were his for the taking. The first was lowish towards the penalty box, the second was way beyond the back post. Those were for the defence to claim but they didn’t.
second one he should be coming for ,toomem to the spot
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 28 Sep 18:18
Quote:
Berkey, Sat 28 Sep 17:43
Some of mcpakes signings have effectively salted the earth for the next guy, well for this season anyway.
It’s looking like yet another poor transfer window by the looks of it. The goalkeeper looks like a crock same as last season, left back has gone from strongest position to weakest as we signed someone who looks meh and we’re still playing players every week who contribute nothing but running about.
Mcpakes no money excuse doesn’t wash now either, he’s just been p1ss poor in the market.
The boy at left back who wasn’t playing today?
COYP
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 28 Sep 18:36
Quote:
Berkey, Sat 28 Sept 17:43
Some of mcpakes signings have effectively salted the earth for the next guy, well for this season anyway.
It’s looking like yet another poor transfer window by the looks of it. The goalkeeper looks like a crock same as last season, left back has gone from strongest position to weakest as we signed someone who looks meh and we’re still playing players every week who contribute nothing but running about.
Mcpakes no money excuse doesn’t wash now either, he’s just been p1ss poor in the market.
I wouldn`t have minded if they ran about but none of them did until the last 5 minutes. None made an out ball for the guy on the ball.
I predicted us to be favourites for the drop at the start of the season. We aren`t even in October and I`ve seen nothing from any of this lot to change my mind. These are all of mcpakes players and unfortunately he carries the can for the guff they serve up on a Saturday.
Most of these guys will struggle to stay full time if they continue this lackluster standards over the course of the season. Mcpake wanted backed they gave him funds and the guys he has signed are just as bad as the ones we already have. If you give him another transfer window I fear we will be lumbered withe some of this lot for a few more years.
It takes no talent to run about and we didn`t do that today until it was too late.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 28 Sep 18:47
Nmc he wasn’t but when he’s played he’s not a patch on even otoo at left back.
Who has mcpake signed who is capable of playing at top end championship level?
Otoo? Who else?
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: ParfectXI
Date: Sat 28 Sep 18:53
Every single one of those imposters who fill the bench (barring the players obviously) needs to go! We have been rotten for far too long - The only way we can change is a full sweep out from Manager to coaches to the Chief Scout who doesn’t scout all need to go and start afresh with a new manager and his own choice of people! Obviously it won’t happen since Cook et al think the sun shines out of McPakes butt!
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 28 Sep 20:21
They were crap. We were crap. That’s a crap defeat. Nothing between the 2 teams on the day except we didn’t defend at 2 corners. Didn’t defend at the front post for the first one then we were bullied to the point a we’re standing directly in front of the goalkeeper who surprisingly hadn’t moved from his position.
What happened at the second one, I’m not 100% sure but looked like it Mehmet was stuck on his line as the ball went to the back post. Shocking. Terrible stuff.
Too slow in possession. I’m struggling to take very much positive from today.
COYP
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 28 Sep 20:24
Quote:
Berkey, Sat 28 Sep 18:47
Nmc he wasn’t but when he’s played he’s not a patch on even otoo at left back.
Who has mcpake signed who is capable of playing at top end championship level?
Otoo? Who else?
I think you’re letting your blinkers get in the way again.
We were never going to be signing someone as good as Josh Edward’s. We’ve developed him into the player he is. We are signing someone we can hopefully develop again. Ngwenya certainly seems to fit that mould.
Having Otoo being able to step in there as a 3rd alternative isn’t a bad position to be in.
COYP
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Topic Originator: summeragent
Date: Sat 28 Sep 20:46
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sat 28 Sep 20:21
They were crap. We were crap. That’s a crap defeat. Nothing between the 2 teams on the day except we didn’t defend at 2 corners. Didn’t defend at the front post for the first one then we were bullied to the point a we’re standing directly in front of the goalkeeper who surprisingly hadn’t moved from his position.
What happened at the second one, I’m not 100% sure but looked like it Mehmet was stuck on his line as the ball went to the back post. Shocking. Terrible stuff.
Too slow in possession. I’m struggling to take very much positive from today.
Queens Park weren’t crap..
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sat 28 Sep 20:53
QP …..and I am being kind here , were ….. basic. There for the taking and we failed… why ? Because they have a manager with nous and we don’t….
Post Edited (Sat 28 Sep 20:54)
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Sat 28 Sep 21:06
Ngwenya has been absolutely fine for the most part when he`s played. Then again some of our fans thought Josh Edwards wasn`t good enough with 10+ goal contributions last season at Left wing back in a team that was totally inept going forward.
I can`t remember the last time I sat through a 90 minutes watching the pars thinking "wow that was entertaining attacking football". Certainly there were extenuating circumstances last year with the number of injuries, but between being dreadful in the league cup group and the horrid start to the league campaign as well as the negative football there`s really nothing left to fall back on with the manager.
Thanks for getting us back to the championship at the first time of asking but it feels like McPake has taken us as far as he can.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sat 28 Sep 21:15
Almost every game under JM is the same. After 15 mins you just know it’s going to be another bore fest. Sure there have been the odd exceptions…….like the Rovers game…..why can’t we start every home game like that ? On the front foot…..it’s baffling. Today was the usual dross and you always get the feeling that the opposition will score….and when they do…. Well it’s usually game over..
I know that it is 18 months or so since we lost a game after going ahead but when was the last time we came from a goal down to win ? Patrick away last season ? But it is few and far between.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Sat 28 Sep 21:19
You know we are crap when our main striker is back making tackles at our own box.
The players look visibly frustrated with our tactics.
McCann is clearly better on the left side and Hosler clearly better on the right but they both played out of position in the second half.
Every fan could see we only started making a real effort only after we scored.
Until then it looked lackluster and the same guff we’ve been subjected to for months.
On top of that the team have lost the backing from the NW corner for other reasons than football.
It’s all going pear shaped and I think the manager needs to go.
He’s a nice guy but stubborn and doesn’t seem to realise we can’t dictate a football match with the players we have.
We have to go head to head with other teams and adapt.
Today was totally disheartening.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 28 Sep 21:30
We have no style or pattern to our play that is imposed on the away team. Everything seems so disorganised.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sat 28 Sep 21:39
Quote:
da_no_1, Sat 28 Sep 21:30
We have no style or pattern to our play that is imposed on the away team. Everything seems so disorganised.
sunday league ,game by game
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sat 28 Sep 21:42
Said it before, and I`ll say it again.
You can spot a well drilled, well trained team a mile off.
We are nowhere near it.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sat 28 Sep 22:13
I`ve probably backed him more than most on here, but I`ve got to admit the football has been awful. It`s all very well and fine playing defensive football, but if you do, you need to be at least so miserly in defence that you are not giving away cheap goals easily, and need to be winning games ugly, or not losing games.
I think the penny dropped for me that he wasn`t very good at his job when I seen how Forfar could beat us so easily just by having a well drilled team, where each player knew what he was meant to be doing.
I`m not a fan of chopping and changing managers but he`s not showing any promise at all.
I don`t think he will get the bullet though, with the club currently up for sale
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Topic Originator: Bazzler1981
Date: Sat 28 Sep 22:29
Should of been punted for asking the young lad on twitter for a square go
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Topic Originator: Murchadh
Date: Sat 28 Sep 23:10
Any professional football club would have done so, we are not professional until we are sold. Oh, also, McFake out!
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Topic Originator: Gaz3822
Date: Sat 28 Sep 23:14
😂😂😂😂
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Topic Originator: Murchadh
Date: Sat 28 Sep 23:25
Any professional football club would have sacked a manager for asking a person on “Twitter” or “X” for a fight.
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Topic Originator: Boomer
Date: Sun 29 Sep 00:01
Murchadh at least you are consistent with your comments absolute bell end
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sun 29 Sep 10:28
Quote:
Boomer, Sun 29 Sept 00:01
Murchadh at least you are consistent with your comments absolute bell end
There`s either a comma, or the word "you" missing after "comments" in this sentence - I`m not sure which
Post Edited (Sun 29 Sep 10:29)
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 29 Sep 11:03
Quote:
summeragent, Sat 28 Sep 20:46
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sat 28 Sep 20:21
They were crap. We were crap. That’s a crap defeat. Nothing between the 2 teams on the day except we didn’t defend at 2 corners. Didn’t defend at the front post for the first one then we were bullied to the point a we’re standing directly in front of the goalkeeper who surprisingly hadn’t moved from his position.
What happened at the second one, I’m not 100% sure but looked like it Mehmet was stuck on his line as the ball went to the back post. Shocking. Terrible stuff.
Too slow in possession. I’m struggling to take very much positive from today.
Queens Park weren’t crap..
I don’t know how you come to that conclusion. We were beat by a poor side yesterday. We gave them 2 goals by forgetting we were defending a corner and they offered nothing else 🤷🏻♂️
COYP
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Sat 5 Oct 18:13
Should have been away last week. The football was rotten again today. The same old excuses post match as well….get him out!!!!!!
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Sat 5 Oct 18:17
Yep the predictable utter boring football week in/out. No way can I watch this every week.
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 5 Oct 18:30
I mean unless the opposition gets a guy sent off in 15minutes who are we taking 3 points off this season?
It’s almost not even the p1ss poor the points tally, it’s the way we approach the games and the performances. We are just terrible to watch.
The injuries last season lulled the fans into thinking this season would be better….
Post Edited (Sat 05 Oct 18:43)
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Topic Originator: Pars11
Date: Sat 5 Oct 18:31
I never listen to Managers or Players post match interviews, podcasts are even worse. I like the old fashioned speak by what you see in front of you. At present it is very hard to watch the same boring tactics and watching a Goalkeeper who cannot command his area getting a start regardless of how he is plays. I bet James McPake does not state how many points the Goalkeeping errors are costing the club and the reliance on a low scoring forward line if we can even call it a forward line more like the odd player finds himself in an awkward position of being close to goal then misses the target.
Bluebell Polka
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Topic Originator: Pringlebum8
Date: Sat 5 Oct 18:43
Mehmet’s attempt at stopping Airdrie’s equaliser is totally laughable, if we can’t play our on loan keeper, please please give the young lad Briggs a chance!
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Topic Originator: The Boss
Date: Sat 5 Oct 18:44
You just have to hope the new owner/owners punt McPake as soon as they are in the door.
Football has been absolutely honking for over a year. We are predictable,naive and so soft to play against. We have had such a lack of entertainment and excitement for a long time.
McPake is now comparable to Hughes and Grant.
I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 5 Oct 18:48
That’s yet another mcpake error right there. The keeper from Celtic spent last season collecting injuries too but mcpake decided to take the risk as a favour from/to one of his few contacts o’dea.
When was the last time we signed someone who was a regular and had a good season at the level we are playing at the season before? Hamilton 2 years ago?
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 5 Oct 19:23
Quote:
Berkey, Sat 5 Oct 18:48
That’s yet another mcpake error right there. The keeper from Celtic spent last season collecting injuries too but mcpake decided to take the risk as a favour from/to one of his few contacts o’dea.
When was the last time we signed someone who was a regular and had a good season at the level we are playing at the season before? Hamilton 2 years ago?
My honest feeling is, the recruitment problem isn’t necessarily McPakes problem.
Resigning Mehmet, Chalmers etc etc aye that’s all McPake. That’s actually the decisions that are costing him now. Had he moved them on and brought in fresh faces, we’d have a completely different squad now.
COYP
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 5 Oct 19:25
Would Ian Murray be a decent appointment? Who was his assistant?
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 5 Oct 19:27
Will we have another supporters meeting with cook mcpake and co ? I`m guessing not
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Pars11
Date: Sat 5 Oct 20:02
You do not want Colin Cameron anywhere near EEP. He is Wee Team through and through and was rank rotten at the managerial roles they gave him.
Bluebell Polka
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Sat 5 Oct 20:16
Ex Aberdeen gaffer Barry Robson would be a good shout to get this team going even at 80%
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 5 Oct 20:57
Quote:
JamesAndrew74, Sat 5 Oct 20:30
Quote:
Alter Ego, Sat 5 Oct 20:16
Ex Aberdeen gaffer Barry Robson would be a good shout to get this team going even at 80%
Why?
😂😂😂😂
That was exactly the word that I thought as I read that as well.
I’m just not sold on Barry Robson. He didn’t do enough with a pretty decent Aberdeen squad
COYP
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Sat 5 Oct 21:15
And some of you want the old Campell back on the dugout?😅
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Sat 5 Oct 21:26
We are absolut murder and it’s about time folk on here admit it…relegation fodder unless things change.
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 5 Oct 21:33
Quote:
Alter Ego, Sat 5 Oct 21:15
And some of you want the old Campell back on the dugout?😅
You probably have seen someone write that and as much as I don’t think that’s much of a long term plan for us, I can point to lots of evidence of why “old Campbell” may be a good choice of manager.
I can’t point to anything that Barry Robson has done. Again, he took a pretty decent Aberdeen team close to relegation. Dons fans were wanting him out a long time before he actually left. Apparently not only were results poor the football was crap 🤷🏻♂️
COYP
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Topic Originator: gordi-b
Date: Sat 5 Oct 21:39
Mcpake is clearly out of his depth at this level, tactically inept and constantly playing players out of position, clearly doesn,t have a clue what his best eleven is and long contracts to players that are barely 1st division level, the last few performances have been dire at a new level and its obvious the only way we are going under him is down. time for a change and quickly
G.B
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Topic Originator: Parfect69
Date: Sat 5 Oct 21:51
And along comes the magic money fairy with James’s and co pay off. Not going to happen.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 5 Oct 22:04
Didn’t James McPake get Dundee promoted from the championship?
COYP
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Topic Originator: summeragent
Date: Sat 5 Oct 22:06
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sat 05 Oct 22:04
Didn’t James McPake get Dundee promoted from the championship?
He did and with a team that had a bad start to the season. They played some great football to get into, and through the playoffs. He hasn’t replicated that with the Pars though.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 5 Oct 22:14
Quote:
summeragent, Sat 5 Oct 22:06
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sat 05 Oct 22:04
Didn’t James McPake get Dundee promoted from the championship?
He did and with a team that had a bad start to the season. They played some great football to get into, and through the playoffs. He hasn’t replicated that with the Pars though.
Yeah, I agree with you.
It’s not working for him just now. IMO he gave contracts to players he shouldn’t have and it’s now really biting him in the back side especially with having the budgetary constraints that we have.
COYP
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Topic Originator: summeragent
Date: Sat 5 Oct 22:17
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sat 05 Oct 22:14
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summeragent, Sat 5 Oct 22:06
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NMCmassive, Sat 05 Oct 22:04
Didn’t James McPake get Dundee promoted from the championship?
He did and with a team that had a bad start to the season. They played some great football to get into, and through the playoffs. He hasn’t replicated that with the Pars though.
Yeah, I agree with you.
It’s not working for him just now. IMO he gave contracts to players he shouldn’t have and it’s now really biting him in the back side especially with having the budgetary constraints that we have.
Think he made some judgements on players based on their performance in league one and found they weren’t good enough for the Championship.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 5 Oct 22:24
He was left with a poor championship team that had just been relegated and the tube ended up resigning them all and wanders why we are still a poor championship club.
That’s on him.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 5 Oct 22:24
Quote:
summeragent, Sat 5 Oct 22:17
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sat 05 Oct 22:14
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summeragent, Sat 5 Oct 22:06
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NMCmassive, Sat 05 Oct 22:04
Didn’t James McPake get Dundee promoted from the championship?
He did and with a team that had a bad start to the season. They played some great football to get into, and through the playoffs. He hasn’t replicated that with the Pars though.
Yeah, I agree with you.
It’s not working for him just now. IMO he gave contracts to players he shouldn’t have and it’s now really biting him in the back side especially with having the budgetary constraints that we have.
Think he made some judgements on players based on their performance in league one and found they weren’t good enough for the Championship.
Yeah, absolutely. Of course and with the benefit of hindsight but he really should have taken the previous relegation season into consideration. We’re seeing a lot of the same issues as that season we were relegated now.
As things stand best case scenario is a playoff spot
COYP
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 5 Oct 22:27
Quote:
Berkey, Sat 5 Oct 22:24
He was left with a poor championship team that had just been relegated and the tube ended up resigning them all and wanders why we are still a poor championship club.
That’s on him.
Berkey, I don’t always agree with you but I can absolutely agree with your point there. 2 absolutely shocking summer transfer windows and we’re now propping up the league.
COYP
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Topic Originator: Fethiyespar
Date: Sat 5 Oct 22:27
His management statistics are getting close to being one of the worst on record at EEP, up there with Scott, Forsyth, Stanton, Hay, Grant, Hughes to name but a few. The thread running through this lot are people on the board who haven`t a clue how to run a football club. ICT are not the only club in trouble with the way they are being run.
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Topic Originator: partake
Date: Sun 6 Oct 00:31
Its may be more than co-incidence we have not taken anything from a single game this season in league cup or league where opponent has scored first and that might say something about the resilience / toughness of the squad. You could lay this at the managers door and say he needs to bring in the right types but i think thats harsh as any manager needs to work with a player for a while and observe them closely to understand the character of anyone who has come to the club. JM record in championship of 12 wins in 44 is a poor win rate and compares unfavourably with predecessors but none of the faced anything remotely like the difficulties he faces at present with the whole club limping along in a state of limbo until ownership issues are solved so the comparison with predecessors is deeply unfair and flawed. I would expect all fair minded supporters to stick with with it, applaud James` fortitude and cut the guy a bit of slack in these uniquely challenging times for everyone connected with DAFC.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 6 Oct 00:52
Quote:
partake, Sun 6 Oct 00:31
Its may be more than co-incidence we have not taken anything from a single game this season in league cup or league where opponent has scored first and that might say something about the resilience / toughness of the squad. You could lay this at the managers door and say he needs to bring in the right types but i think thats harsh as any manager needs to work with a player for a while and observe them closely to understand the character of anyone who has come to the club. JM record in championship of 12 wins in 44 is a poor win rate and compares unfavourably with predecessors but none of the faced anything remotely like the difficulties he faces at present with the whole club limping along in a state of limbo until ownership issues are solved so the comparison with predecessors is deeply unfair and flawed. I would expect all fair minded supporters to stick with with it, applaud James` fortitude and cut the guy a bit of slack in these uniquely challenging times for everyone connected with DAFC.
In fairness, we’re on for being relegated
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 6 Oct 08:12
Has to go ASAP. Should have been gone last season. Where`s Stephen Kenny?
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sun 6 Oct 11:15
"Didn’t James McPake get Dundee promoted from the championship?"
Charlie Adam single handedly won them a lot of games though. He doesn`t have that luxury this time round.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 6 Oct 11:38
And you wanted Rhys McCabe???🤔🙈🤣🤣🤣
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Sun 6 Oct 12:01
Ref:partake, Sun 6 Oct 00:31
`I would expect all fair minded supporters to stick with with it, applaud James` fortitude and cut the guy a bit of slack in these uniquely challenging times for everyone connected with DAFC.`
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Well said partake.
We are where we are. Are we gonna fight or fold? It doesn`t look to me like JM or any of our staff have gi`en up. Imagine, JM had a season-long avalanche of injuries. He just starts to get a hold of this season, and the one player we`ve been crying out for - a goalie in form - he brings in - and now he`s feckin` injured! I think we might have had better results if we hadn`t had that stab to the heart from Feckin`Fate. Deniz is a capable goalie but he`s not on form. Tobi made a significant difference. When he got injured, pair James must have been thinkin` - feck sake yet anither feckin kick in the teesh!
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Topic Originator: MinnesotaAndy
Date: Sun 6 Oct 12:18
There are never any easy answers in football. Just look at what happened and continues to happen with Manchester United after the Fergie era.
Pars really need some wins in the coming handful of games. Matty Todd looks as if he is getting back to his best which could help big time.
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Sun 6 Oct 12:21
That`s right Minnesota, get Matty in form, get Tobi back - things can change, without even bringin` others in - life goes on - we`re no doon yet by a long chalk.
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Sun 6 Oct 12:32
I guess the most amount of optimism I can claw into is that we`ve a few new faces in + Todd and it might come together any minute now. And it`s not like we`re isolated, it would appear as if there`s 4 or 5 pure mince teams this year.
But 5 goals in 8 matches is chronic. One penalty, one massive deflection and two worlides from Otoo and Wotherspoon. One goal from Cooper you could define as being a worked move. We`re shocking to watch.
I think the natural pragmatism of both our soon to be ex-owners and McPake isn`t exactly a dynamic combination.
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Sun 6 Oct 12:41
Today`s a new day Rusty. We canny keep draggin` a` that baggage aboot, it`s bound tae slow us doon.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sun 6 Oct 12:41
I`m sorry but this is alot of happy clapping nonsense.
We don`t look like a well trained side.
The team identity is one of slow turgid play.
Make no mistake. We are struggling.
Our only victory this season was gifted to us by a red card.
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Topic Originator: grelin
Date: Sun 6 Oct 12:58
I`m not one to jump on the `sack the manager bandwagon` when things are not going well, but I must admit my patience is wearing thin. Watching the current brand of football for the last couple of seasons or so is absolute torture and what compounds it for me is the usual dross that JM spouts after each game, is he watching the same game? He seems to be coated in Teflon but I think the current regime might have a different standpoint if we get pumped by Kelty next week which I suspect we might on current form.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 6 Oct 13:07
Quote:
kelty_par, Sun 6 Oct 11:15
"Didn’t James McPake get Dundee promoted from the championship?"
Charlie Adam single handedly won them a lot of games though. He doesn`t have that luxury this time round.
Yeah but yeah but yeah but…
James McPake got Dundee promoted as their manager so deserves the credit for the role he played in that. As much as he deserves the criticism for things going wrong.
Folk in here writing that he doesn’t understand championship football etc etc etc forgetting he has already at least done something in the championship in the past.
COYP
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 6 Oct 13:18
It`s ridiculous to suggest a player single handedly won a team a "a lot of games"
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Sun 06 Oct 13:19)
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sun 6 Oct 13:31
Not a single player we have hasn`t had a contract renewal or been signed by McPake. The buck stops with him. Not good enough in the slightest
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Topic Originator: ParfectXI
Date: Sun 6 Oct 13:32
There’s quite a few of you giving McPake a lot of credit for taking Dundee back to the Premiership, strangely more than the Dundee fans give him and he was “one of their own”. Dundee fans almost to a man thought he was a terrible manager who played boring football and was unable to change his style of play!
I was working for Dundee when McPake was in his first season here and everything they said about him I have seen happening here and I don’t think Dundee is full of Nostradamus’ or even Russell Grants!
McPake is out of his depth, will never take us forward and shouldn’t be here anymore!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 6 Oct 13:45
Some managers have more than one player who wins them a lot of games but that doesn`t seem to detract from their reputations. Funny that isn`t it?
You`ve got to remember that any success anyone connected with the Pars achieves is not due to their own efforts. It`s because the opposition was rubbish, the ref did them a favour, they scored with a deflection, the other team had a man sent off, etc. None of these benefits seems to favour other teams whose success is purely down to their own efforts and the ability of their managers.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sun 6 Oct 14:03
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 6 Oct 13:45
Some managers have more than one player who wins them a lot of games but that doesn`t seem to detract from their reputations. Funny that isn`t it?
You`ve got to remember that any success anyone connected with the Pars achieves is not due to their own efforts. It`s because the opposition was rubbish, the ref did them a favour, they scored with a deflection, the other team had a man sent off, etc. None of these benefits seems to favour other teams whose success is purely down to their own efforts and the ability of their managers.
When you`re as utterly woeful as we are yes, a lot of our points are only because of opposition mistakes.
I can possibly accept trash tier football if we win a lot, but we just dont
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 6 Oct 14:17
Quote:
weemike, Sun 6 Oct 12:41
I`m sorry but this is alot of happy clapping nonsense.
We don`t look like a well trained side.
The team identity is one of slow turgid play.
Make no mistake. We are struggling.
Our only victory this season was gifted to us by a red card.
This 100 percent. Every week you look at the side and you can`t see what they have been working on on training. There doesn`t seem to be a plan B.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 6 Oct 14:22
Why do players make mistakes? It`s usually because the opposition have put them in a position where they are liable to. Most goals in football are the result of mistakes. It doesn`t mean the scoring team is due no credit for the goal.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 6 Oct 14:46
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 6 Oct 14:22
Why do players make mistakes? It`s usually because the opposition have put them in a position where they are liable to. Most goals in football are the result of mistakes. It doesn`t mean the scoring team is due no credit for the goal.
You usually can but considering both our coaches were defenders we aren`t very good at defending when the ball comes into our box. I wouldn`t mind if the guy hits a 40 yarder into the top bag but the goals we use more often than not are avoidable.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Sun 6 Oct 15:17
Pars: weemike like
Date: Sun 6 Oct 12:41
`I`m sorry but this is alot of happy clapping nonsense.
We don`t look like a well trained side.
The team identity is one of slow turgid play.
Make no mistake. We are struggling.
Our only victory this season was gifted to us by a red card.`
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You`re mixing up two things there, weem. There`s what you think of our team. And a whole separate issue is what you think of other folks` posts, such as mine. `Happy clapping` it ain`t. It`s looking at the issue from a different side, as well as my own. A bit more from the side of the manager and staff of Dunfermline Athletic FC. Not just the view of a fan and forum poster.
What would you say is the opposite of happy clapping? Miserable clapping? Happy crapping? I agree, sometimes there`s nothing more satisfying, but once it`s out - flush it. There`s more to do than sit crapping all day long!
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sun 6 Oct 15:22
It`s not mixing up what I think.
It`s fact.
In no uncertain terms, we are $hit. And it stems from the training ground.
You can be in denial all you like.
But the results over the last 12 months speak for themselves.
Christ, the results in the league Cup this year before boardroom drama speak for themselves.
Do you think losing to two lower league part-time teams is OK?
How about 3 after next week?
Post Edited (Sun 06 Oct 15:22)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 6 Oct 15:27
Every goal we lose is dissected to find someone to blame it on. I do it myself, but the fact is we have conceded 10 goals in 8 games which isn`t exactly disastrous. Rovers, Hamilton and Airdrie have all conceded more. It`s at the other end of the pitch that our main problem lies and our difficulty in scoring puts more pressure on the defence to keep a clean sheet.
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Sun 6 Oct 15:46
Never mind weem, we`ll win one day - maybe even beat the mighty Kelty eh? I think a draw with Airdrie was disappointing but shows we`re not complete manure. Still, it takes more than just being better than manure to survive. What`s better than manure? Compost. That`ll be the next stage for us - to become as good as compost. Then? Topsoil!
`Topsoil is far better at retaining its structure.` There ye go. Structure is what we need more of. Get roond tae EEP wi barrowloads o` topsoil now!
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Sun 6 Oct 15:53
Unless we are disciples of Leopold von Sacher-Masoch, no Pars fan is at all happy to be lying a hairs breadth from the bottom of the table. The problem lies in what is the best way to remedy the situation, without spending a fortune, (which we don`t have). Therefore why are we discussing a situation, which is purely hypothetical, and will, for very plain reasons, remain so? The boot the manager out brigade are just big talkers, with nothing to back up their empty rhetoric. Has the penny ( if we still have one) not dropped, that we can`t afford to sack the manager? Some "fans" seem now to be blaming poor training for the players being short of fitness, while others, last season, were blaming over training for players picking up injuries. I`ve never observed a training session but don`t have any reason to doubt that they are thorough and robust. Obviously we don`t like our position but unless some of the jokers who are shouting the loudest, donate a few million to the club, the best way out of it is for the management team and players to keep working away and for the supporters continuing to support.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 6 Oct 15:58
Can we afford not to sack him ? If we don`t we probably get relegated and end up losing another £1m. The German consortium will want to get as much as possible.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sun 6 Oct 15:59
I appreciate your optomisim and enthusiasm.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 6 Oct 16:04
No one is paying the going rate to buy a championship club at or very near the bottom of the table after Christmas. The prudent thing to do would be to wait until safe/down then get back to the table to discuss value.
If we lost a million last time surely mcpake and 2/3 coaching are not earning even a third of that.
Add to that attendances dropping and they might be left with very little choice.
I mean at this point we could sack mcpake and give wotherspoon the player manager gig on temp basis without fear of it getting worse.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Sun 6 Oct 16:35
Is sacking the management team and replacing them with an untried senior player more likely to stave off the threat of relegation? I don`t see that at all. In fact recent experience with the Crawford-Grant-Hughes debacle seems to indicate steady decline and not miraculous improvement.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sun 6 Oct 16:41
Quote:
Paralex, Sun 6 Oct 16:35
Is sacking the management team and replacing them with an untried senior player more likely to stave off the threat of relegation? I don`t see that at all. In fact recent experience with the Crawford-Grant-Hughes debacle seems to indicate steady decline and not miraculous improvement.
Is keeping the manager going to get us up the table?
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave
Date: Sun 6 Oct 16:57
Quote:
cammypar 1995, Sun 6 Oct 15:58
Can we afford not to sack him ? If we don`t we probably get relegated and end up losing another £1m. The German consortium will want to get as much as possible.
^^^^ If you don`t have the money to pay his severance and no funds to pay the new manager`s wages then "We can`t afford to sack him".
Unless of course the outgoings owners decide to dip into their own pockets which is highly unlikely considering their intentions to sell.
DunfyDave
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 6 Oct 17:06
As soon as he starts winning, it clears up the majority of our issues. I just don’t see where a win is coming from.
Falkirk on the 26th. We’ll get a humping through there. I’m thinking if this board is going to sack him. It’s once we get pumped through there
COYP
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 6 Oct 17:16
It would be illogical to sack him without giving a reasonable time to see the outcome of the investment in the playing squad they authorised.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 6 Oct 17:33
Quote:
DunfyDave, Sun 6 Oct 16:57
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cammypar 1995, Sun 6 Oct 15:58
Can we afford not to sack him ? If we don`t we probably get relegated and end up losing another £1m. The German consortium will want to get as much as possible.
^^^^ If you don`t have the money to pay his severance and no funds to pay the new manager`s wages then "We can`t afford to sack him".
Unless of course the outgoings owners decide to dip into their own pockets which is highly unlikely considering their intentions to sell.
If we go down to league 1 we will be -£1m for the season again like we were last time we were in that league worth remembering Falkirk were in the league then. It will cost the current BOD more money to go down than sack mcpake.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 6 Oct 17:36
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 6 Oct 17:16
It would be illogical to sack him without giving a reasonable time to see the outcome of the investment in the playing squad they authorised.
We have already seen they are either unfit or no better than the others we have. Look at the table we are where we are because we are rotten. We have got worse some we beat Raith but yeah give him more time to get us further away from the rest.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave
Date: Sun 6 Oct 17:39
Trust me CP1995, I get it. You make perfect sense but once again, if there is no money currently then you can`t afford to sack him (currently).
DunfyDave
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 6 Oct 17:40
Mebude gets 20 minutes then the .net jury decides his fate.
Harsh
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 6 Oct 17:42
Quote:
DunfyDave, Sun 6 Oct 17:39
Trust me CP1995, I get it. You make perfect sense but once again, if there is no money currently then you can`t afford to sack him (currently).
If your going to cut your losses maybe it`s a price worth paying.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Sun 6 Oct 17:43
"Is keeping the manager going to get us up the table."
No guarantees but more likely to than sacking him.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 6 Oct 17:58
Quote:
Paralex, Sun 6 Oct 17:43
"Is keeping the manager going to get us up the table."
No guarantees but more likely to than sacking him.
What are you basing that on ? We look like conceding goals every time the ball gets put into our box. Our strikers aren`t the answer to getting us the goals required to stay in this league.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sun 6 Oct 18:06
Quote:
Paralex, Sun 6 Oct 17:43
"Is keeping the manager going to get us up the table."
No guarantees but more likely to than sacking him.
I disagree. I believe an experienced manager could get a tune out of this decent group of players. An Ian McCall or even a dick campbell.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 6 Oct 18:53
My assessment of the five players acquired recently is -
Oluwayemi - has brought a bit of confidence and can change the point and method of attack with his kicking. Missing the last three games through injury disappointed everyone and at the moment we can only assume it`s not a long-term injury.
Fogarty - has become a fixture in the centre of the defence and I haven`t heard any serious criticism of him.
Cooper - offers something different floating between midfield and attack. It may be his main contribution will be as an impact sub but that`s no bad thing in the modern game.
Clay - adds a bit of grit in midfield and probably isn`t fully match-fit yet.
Mebude - only played 20 minutes yesterday and showed he too offers something different as he likes to run with the ball and take men on.
I would say the jury is still out on them. I also think Matty Todd will get better as he gains match fitness.
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Mon 7 Oct 09:48
I`m basing my claim that sacking the manager and replacing him in our present situation will be less likely to move us up the table, on our previous history of signing impact managers, who failed to produce the goods and got us relegated. As for septuagenarian Dick Campbell (give us a break). His last stint was to oversee the beginning of the demise of Arbroath and the new impact manager McIntyre sealed the deal. Falkirk also went down the route of several sackings, which consigned them to the seaside league for several years. There were serious calls for McGlynn`s head too in the very recent past. McCall had very limited success at Firhill and I just don`t see him as our man at all.
Post Edited (Mon 07 Oct 10:00)
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Mon 7 Oct 10:18
Absolutely wild take on Campbell`s time at Arbroath.
Also, ignores the job he is currently doing.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
Post Edited (Mon 07 Oct 10:19)
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Mon 7 Oct 10:58
I suggest you listen to Ian Campbells` interview after the 5-0 win.
Paraphrasing, but.."were more glad of the clean sheet as this team will always score goals."
That`s exactly the attitude we need.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 7 Oct 11:17
Quote:
weemike, Mon 7 Oct 10:58
I suggest you listen to Ian Campbells` interview after the 5-0 win.
Paraphrasing, but.."were more glad of the clean sheet as this team will always score goals."
That`s exactly the attitude we need.
That’s comparing apples and oranges tho.
He’s talking about a team in a different league, with a different squad.
COYP
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Mon 7 Oct 11:35
Quote:
NMCmassive, Mon 7 Oct 11:17
Quote:
weemike, Mon 7 Oct 10:58
I suggest you listen to Ian Campbells` interview after the 5-0 win.
Paraphrasing, but.."were more glad of the clean sheet as this team will always score goals."
That`s exactly the attitude we need.
That’s comparing apples and oranges tho.
He’s talking about a team in a different league, with a different squad.
And if you compare celtic to spurs or Barcelona to Man city, you`ll see similarities in style and set up despite different teams in different leagues with different squads.
A teams style is an extension of the coaching staff`s mindset and training.
Our style is tedious at best.
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Topic Originator: gordi-b
Date: Mon 7 Oct 11:46
weemike wrote:
> Quote:
NMCmassive, Mon 7 Oct 11:17
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> Quote:
weemike, Mon 7 Oct 10:58
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> I suggest you listen to Ian Campbells` interview after the 5-0
> win.
>
> Paraphrasing, but.."were more glad of the clean sheet as
> this team will always score goals."
>
> That`s exactly the attitude we need.
>
> That’s comparing apples and oranges tho.
>
> He’s talking about a team in a different league, with a
> different squad.
>
> And if you compare celtic to spurs or Barcelona to Man city,
> you`ll see similarities in style and set up despite different
> teams in different leagues with different squads.
>
> A teams style is an extension of the coaching staff`s mindset
> and training.
>
> Our style is tedious at best.
>
> Post Edited (Mon 07 Oct 11:42)
Tedious is a great description of us , Ponderous is another
G.B
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 7 Oct 12:00
East Fife`s 5-0 win over Bonnyrigg was against 10 men. The man was sent off after 14 minutes for conceding a penalty and it was 0-0 at the time. Three of the goals were scored in the last 20 minutes. I thought wins against 10 men didn`t count in assessing a team`s performance? I`m sure I read that on here somewhere.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Mon 7 Oct 12:25
Depends if it`s in the context of 7 league wins in 8 games - or 2 draws and 5 defeats from the other 7 games.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 7 Oct 12:31
OK; I thought it depended on who the manager was.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Mon 7 Oct 12:53
Ok, depends if the manager has started his campaign with 18 points out of 24 in the other games - or 2 points from 21.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Mon 7 Oct 13:07
Quote:
wee eck, Mon 7 Oct 12:00
East Fife`s 5-0 win over Bonnyrigg was against 10 men. The man was sent off after 14 minutes for conceding a penalty and it was 0-0 at the time. Three of the goals were scored in the last 20 minutes. I thought wins against 10 men didn`t count in assessing a team`s performance? I`m sure I read that on here somewhere.
5-0 is the kind of result you should achieve against 10 men at home.
24 goals In 9 games speaks for itself.
They probably would`ve won the game against 11 men.
We probably wouldn`t have won against 11 men.
Big difference
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 7 Oct 13:46
A few folk would PROBABLY have won the pools if football results had gone the way they should have. I`ve seen plenty teams struggle against 10 men. A lot depends on the score at the time the man was sent off. East Fife converted the penalty so Bonnyrigg were chasing the game. We started from 0-0.
Let`s face it, if we`d beaten Raith playing against 11 men plenty on here would have given McPake no credit anyway. They would just have judged it in the context of the previous results.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Mon 7 Oct 13:53
You picked a very strange hill to die on just for the sake of wanting an argument.
The fact remains they are a potent side going forward! we are not,
It`s the exact attitude we are lacking.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 7 Oct 13:57
Maybe one day you`ll tell us what you think the point of a forum is.
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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar
Date: Mon 7 Oct 14:06
Quote:
wee eck, Mon 7 Oct 13:57
Maybe one day you`ll tell us what you think the point of a forum is.
A forum is a platform where users can engage in discussions , share information, exchange ideas related to various topics
Definitely not for the sake of an argument...........
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Mon 7 Oct 14:07
Quote:
wee eck, Mon 7 Oct 13:57
Maybe one day you`ll tell us what you think the point of a forum is.
You seem to think the point of the forum is to argue. You pick some strange spots. 🤔
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 7 Oct 14:40
If someone goes against the negative clique on .net they`re always seen as being argumentative. Or a happy clapper. Or both.
Kelty will provide a stiff test. If we win, we'll be given zero credit. If we lose it'll be the usual pile on.
What a time to be a Pars fan.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Mon 07 Oct 14:41)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 7 Oct 14:45
At the risk of being accused of starting an argument....
If I post something disagreeing with someone then I`m arguing? How is that different from anyone else who posts an alternative point of view? I`m genuinely curious. I`ve a feeling that there are some posters on here who are so convinced that they are right that they assume anyone who disagrees with them must be doing it deliberately just to provoke an argument. I think that`s why you are more likely to be criticised on here for being positive rather than negative. Negative comments far outnumber positive ones and that becomes the consensus.
ETA - Just saw da no 1`s post after I had posted; interesting that he has the same theory as me!
Post Edited (Mon 07 Oct 14:48)
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Mon 7 Oct 15:04
Quote:
wee eck, Mon 7 Oct 12:00
East Fife`s 5-0 win over Bonnyrigg was against 10 men. The man was sent off after 14 minutes for conceding a penalty and it was 0-0 at the time. Three of the goals were scored in the last 20 minutes. I thought wins against 10 men didn`t count in assessing a team`s performance? I`m sure I read that on here somewhere.
It`s the exact nature of this post specifically the 2nd half of it which is looking for an argument.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 7 Oct 15:14
It was an attempt at humour but I should have realised that was misguided on here. I still think it`s a fair point though. How many folk discounted our win against the Rovers because they had a man sent off?
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Topic Originator: DJAS
Date: Mon 7 Oct 15:15
I’m not sure how anybody can still back him tbh. Patience of a saint. I can’t see us getting rid of him with the current owners in place though unfortunately. Not been easy supporting us the last few years and it gets that bit harder when the temperature drops again!
Predictor league winner 2012/2013
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Mon 7 Oct 15:23
Quote:
wee eck, Mon 7 Oct 15:14
It was an attempt at humour but I should have realised that was misguided on here. I still think it`s a fair point though. How many folk discounted our win against the Rovers because they had a man sent off?
Humour or not.
You meant that In the context it was taken as. You even double down it in your next few posts and even in the last post.
Fwiw, I have discounted our victory against rovers as it was against 10 men.
But the doesn`t change the fact that we should have a more attacking mindset. One that seems to be instilled at East Fife would be fine.
If they can do it, then why can`t we?
I believe our coaching staff is incapable.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 7 Oct 15:56
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 7 Oct 14:40
If someone goes against the negative clique on .net they`re always seen as being argumentative. Or a happy clapper. Or both.
Kelty will provide a stiff test. If we win, we`ll be given zero credit. If we lose it`ll be the usual pile on.
What a time to be a Pars fan.
If we lose to Kelty then heads should roll. That`s nothing against Kelty. They`re a very good team but they`re lower league. We should be beating them with relative ease.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Mon 7 Oct 16:09
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 7 Oct 14:40
If someone goes against the negative clique on .net they`re always seen as being argumentative. Or a happy clapper. Or both.
Kelty will provide a stiff test. If we win, we`ll be given zero credit. If we lose it`ll be the usual pile on.
What a time to be a Pars fan.
Should all be forgiven if we beat kelty surely we should be expecting to beat a team in the lower division? If we get beat we absolutely should be asking questions of the management surely ?
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 7 Oct 16:12
Quote:
cammypar 1995, Mon 7 Oct 16:09
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 7 Oct 14:40
If someone goes against the negative clique on .net they`re always seen as being argumentative. Or a happy clapper. Or both.
Kelty will provide a stiff test. If we win, we`ll be given zero credit. If we lose it`ll be the usual pile on.
What a time to be a Pars fan.
Should all be forgiven if we beat kelty surely we should be expecting to beat a team in the lower division? If we get beat we absolutely should be asking questions of the management surely ?
No but it`s a start.
Yes. You don`t ask questions. You repeatedly denand for them to be bulleted. This won`t happen til new owners are in place.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Mon 07 Oct 16:12)
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Mon 7 Oct 16:19
Quote:
wee eck, Mon 7 Oct 15:14
It was an attempt at humour but I should have realised that was misguided on here. I still think it`s a fair point though. How many folk discounted our win against the Rovers because they had a man sent off?
I was prepared to give him a chance after the Raith game. Not for the win but how we came out from the start and had a go, showed some attacking intent.
In the 3 games since then we`ve went back to offering very little.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Mon 7 Oct 17:01
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 7 Oct 16:12
Quote:
cammypar 1995, Mon 7 Oct 16:09
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 7 Oct 14:40
If someone goes against the negative clique on .net they`re always seen as being argumentative. Or a happy clapper. Or both.
Kelty will provide a stiff test. If we win, we`ll be given zero credit. If we lose it`ll be the usual pile on.
What a time to be a Pars fan.
Should all be forgiven if we beat kelty surely we should be expecting to beat a team in the lower division? If we get beat we absolutely should be asking questions of the management surely ?
No but it`s a start.
Yes. You don`t ask questions. You repeatedly denand for them to be bulleted. This won`t happen til new owners are in place.
I wouldn`t say I`m in any position of authority to demand anyone to be sacked. What I do though is provide stats on which i base my opinion around for guys like wee Eck and co who still think that the management team are somehow unfairly treated by the majority on here.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Mon 7 Oct 17:26
Quote:
wee eck, Mon 7 Oct 13:57
Maybe one day you`ll tell us what you think the point of a forum is.
The absolute irony of this
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 7 Oct 17:30
I just think it`s pointless to keep making the same arguments over and over again. It really doesn`t matter what anyone on here thinks. Having given McPake money to spend I can`t see the board sacking him, at least until they see the outcome of his dealings.
On the financial side I would imagine the German owners will want their loans repaid so any expenditure to get rid of the management team will just add to the cost of any potential investors.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 7 Oct 17:32
You`ll have to explain that one to me, Andrew 283. Is that ironical too?
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 7 Oct 21:42
Quote:
weemike, Mon 7 Oct 11:35
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NMCmassive, Mon 7 Oct 11:17
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weemike, Mon 7 Oct 10:58
I suggest you listen to Ian Campbells` interview after the 5-0 win.
Paraphrasing, but.."were more glad of the clean sheet as this team will always score goals."
That`s exactly the attitude we need.
That’s comparing apples and oranges tho.
He’s talking about a team in a different league, with a different squad.
And if you compare celtic to spurs or Barcelona to Man city, you`ll see similarities in style and set up despite different teams in different leagues with different squads.
A teams style is an extension of the coaching staff`s mindset and training.
Our style is tedious at best.
is it better to be relegated playing under Kompany or winning European Trophies playing under David Moyes?
Secondly, you’ve paraphrased a quote talking about being more happy about the defensive performance rather than the attacking performance and made that into something about attacking mindset.
Funnily enough, the common thread between Celtic, Spurs, Man City, Barcelona and East Fife is that they all have some of the best squads in their respective leagues.
Do you think we’ve got one of the best squads in our league?
COYP
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Topic Originator: d3monstrate
Date: Mon 7 Oct 22:10
We had one of the best squads when in League 1, but the style was very much the same as it is now...
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Topic Originator: DNCH
Date: Tue 8 Oct 03:37
Unless we get to the Christmas period and are cut adrift, let`s stick with McPake.
I`ve previously expressed concern about his ability to attract players. But I`d love him to improve as a coach and learn how to improve our players. Rather than sack him how about we bring in an experienced coach to help him develop?
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Tue 8 Oct 05:53
Weemike said: And if you compare celtic to spurs or Barcelona to Man city, you`ll see similarities in style and set up despite different teams in different leagues with different squads. A team`s style is an extension of the coaching staff`s mindset and training. Our style is tedious at best.
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The last time I was genuinely excited by the Pars` playing style, Jimmy Calderwood was in charge.
But for out-and-out entertainment, I`d be looking to Bert & Dick. That was when football at EEP was largely a joy to watch—a solid and aggressive defence, creative midfield, attacking wing plays and potent finishers. It was backed up by an experienced and technically skilled management team.
These past twenty years, it seems that simple tactics like these have gone out the window, replaced by a turgid style that relies on possession, slow build-ups from the back, crossfield and backwards passing, and attacking moves that are so slow they are telegraphed to the opposition defence way in advance. As a result, our forwards rarely see the ball.
I don`t think it`s the players. For the most part, they are technically suitable for this level. Sadly, it is down to our management, who don`t display that crucial ability to change a game.
I am all for encouraging a young manager, and McPake has many fine attributes. But his overall performance in the Championship has not met our expectations. There may well be extenuating circumstances, but whether there are or not, a parting of the ways looks desirable for both parties pretty soon.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Tue 8 Oct 06:33
Do you think we’ve got one of the best squads in our league?
Yes!
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Tue 8 Oct 08:29
The fact we have fans debating giving him more time surprises me. The football under him is absolutely awful. How much more time does he need?? He should have been out the door last week.
I have absolutely zero drive to attend matches at the moment but do so in hope we will improve, that hope is all but gone…..change is needed.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Tue 8 Oct 08:40
Got to appreciate our champions of mediocrity to be fair.
Players who have never performed consistently at this level are just about to come good, strikers who have never consistently scored goals just need the chances, players who were decent in league 1 are just about to come good in the championship. A manager who has kept and signed all these players is on the cusp of finding the winning formula. Attacking football will be there for all to see once we have a full squad available.
Meanwhile back to reality….
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Tue 8 Oct 08:53
Quote:
Berkey, Tue 8 Oct 08:40
Got to appreciate our champions of mediocrity to be fair.
Players who have never performed consistently at this level are just about to come good, strikers who have never consistently scored goals just need the chances, players who were decent in league 1 are just about to come good in the championship. A manager who has kept and signed all these players is on the cusp of finding the winning formula. Attacking football will be there for all to see once we have a full squad available.
Meanwhile back to reality….
And the best one is the "remember all those injuries" one that still gets wheeled out every once in a while.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 8 Oct 09:03
Back to reality you say?
We are in the middle of a change of ownership so expecting the manager to be bulleted anytime soon is unrealistic and demanding it repeatedly on a football forum is just stupid.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Tue 08 Oct 09:04)
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 8 Oct 09:10
Quote:
Berkey, Tue 8 Oct 08:40
Got to appreciate our champions of mediocrity to be fair.
Players who have never performed consistently at this level are just about to come good, strikers who have never consistently scored goals just need the chances, players who were decent in league 1 are just about to come good in the championship. A manager who has kept and signed all these players is on the cusp of finding the winning formula. Attacking football will be there for all to see once we have a full squad available.
Meanwhile back to reality….
And we`re told it`s wee Eck who deliberately tries to start arguments?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 8 Oct 09:33
`And the best one is the "remember all those injuries" one that still gets wheeled out every once in a while.`
There seems to be a campaign to airbrush these injuries out of our history. I recall most fans were quite concerned when we were suffering that spate of injuries.
I wonder how many of those screaming for McPake`s demise expected us to be relegated last season?
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Tue 8 Oct 09:37
It’s very, very unlikely that the owners will stump up the cash needed to pay off the management team.
Even if they were to, what manager would want to take the job knowing that there are new owners coming in at some point in the near future?
By all means, let’s discuss the performances of the team, but to keep bleating on about sacking the manager is waste of time, imo
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Tue 8 Oct 10:09
Quote:
wee eck, Tue 8 Oct 09:33
`And the best one is the "remember all those injuries" one that still gets wheeled out every once in a while.`
There seems to be a campaign to airbrush these injuries out of our history. I recall most fans were quite concerned when we were suffering that spate of injuries.
I wonder how many of those screaming for McPake`s demise expected us to be relegated last season?
Nobody is trying to airbrush them but your right they are history. We need to moved on although the team are still not capable at this level which has shown yet again by battling it out at the bottom of the league. We can`t keep blaming injuries and unfortunately we need to call it for what it is which is lack of ability.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 8 Oct 10:14
Who`s blaming injuries for this seasons form out of interest?
Certainly not any members of the "champions of mediocrity" society.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Tue 08 Oct 10:14)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 8 Oct 10:17
Folk keep quoting McPake`s stats against him. That`s history too and they include the results when we were struggling to put a decent team on the park. I don`t think anyone`s blaming injuries for where we are just now. The board`s decision to withhold funds for the playing budget in the early part of the transfer window didn`t help though.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Tue 8 Oct 10:25
Quote:
wee eck, Tue 8 Oct 10:17
Folk keep quoting McPake`s stats against him. That`s history too and they include the results when we were struggling to put a decent team on the park. I don`t think anyone`s blaming injuries for where we are just now. The board`s decision to withhold funds for the playing budget in the early part of the transfer window didn`t help though.
Neither did signing players who can`t compete at this level on new deals. As a manager you live and die by your signings and he hasn`t improved the team since he has been here.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Bucuresti Par
Date: Tue 8 Oct 10:40
In order to discuss the performance of the team, you need to discuss the performance of the management.
I`d argue this is exactly the place to moan about the manager, especially if it saves people doing in the stadium which is never helpful to anyone.
It is a fair question to continue to discuss/debate. Can we afford to sack McPake? Can also be re-worded - Can we afford to stick with him? Crowds will drop and our form only suggests at best at relegation battle. Is there much evidence that he is able to improve results and performances? Not for me, sadly. It`s his team, he has long enough to build it and it doesn`t perform.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Tue 8 Oct 10:50
I don’t think anyone is saying this isn’t mcpakes fault?
These are his players and his team and has been set up and plays the way he wants it.
We can only partially blame the board for lack of investment, after all the bench still had wighton o’hallaran and chalmers on it at the start of the season, it’s just the money mcpake has had has been poorly used. In particular with contracts to players who he inherited.
The buck stops with mcpake, what happens if we are bottom come Jan, is there more money made available for recruits then we have to see if it makes a difference while previously heralded good signings by management are relegated to the bench after making zero impact?
Where do you draw the line? It’s just not been good enough.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: parathletic
Date: Tue 8 Oct 10:51
Quote:
wee eck, Tue 8 Oct 10:17
Folk keep quoting McPake`s stats against him. That`s history too and they include the results when we were struggling to put a decent team on the park. I don`t think anyone`s blaming injuries for where we are just now. The board`s decision to withhold funds for the playing budget in the early part of the transfer window didn`t help though.
On average a footballer gets injured twice a season and we used 30 players last season-did we have 60 injuries? We may well have done, but I don`t think so. We didn`t have a strong enough squad at the start of the season to cope and I`m not giving my opinion with the benefit of hindsight.I thought we lacked an experienced head or two before a ball was kicked.
I remember Peter Grant getting the dreaded vote of confidence and bad luck with injuries were used as an excuse.Our preparations for every season under these owners has been poor imo.The question is, therefore, is the manager getting the best out of what he has available to him, and that`s a no from me.Some of the players have regressed and I haven`t seen a lot of improvement elsewhere.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 8 Oct 11:44
`On average a footballer gets injured twice a season and we used 30 players last season-did we have 60 injuries? We may well have done, but I don`t think so.`
That`s a very simplistic way of assessing the effect of injuries. It doesn`t take account of the nature of the injury, the length of the lay-off or the positions affected. I recall just after the turn of the year we had around 8 players who were out for a month of more with injuries and they included three of our regular centre backs, Bene, Fisher and Breen, as well as Comrie who sometimes played in that position as cover for the others. The term `unprecedented` which was used to describe the incidence of injuries around that time wasn`t used lightly.
We went 9 games without a win between mid-December and mid-February and there were plenty forecasting relegation. We picked up with a win at Firhill in late February which was the start of a decent run as some of the injured players returned and the squad benefited from some astute loan signings. Of course this was accepted as normal, despite the pessimistic forecasts, and McPake got little credit for it. In fact, he got criticised by some for not making the promotion play-offs.
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Topic Originator: parathletic
Date: Tue 8 Oct 12:14
Even after the turn of the year with players coming back and the transfer window open we won 5 of our last 19 league games. As I mentioned above we used 30 players, the division average was 28.1 so other teams were suffering from injuries, too.
The record now stands at 6 wins from 27 league games this year scoring 26 and conceding 38-in 12 of the games we haven`t scored.
`The term unprecedented wasn`t used lightly` except that the board used injuries as an excuse the last time we were in the division?
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Tue 8 Oct 12:18
He got criticism and rightly so after morton 5-0 and QP 3-0 both at home, which were an abomination. 2 of the worst performances I`ve seen at EEP. That set the alarm bells off for me.
Add to that the two home defeats to part-time lower league teams when we are almost full strength after pre season (in which a Forfar player commented on our fitness levels or lack thereof) and the alarm bells are louder.
I`m afraid the manager has been found wanting.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 8 Oct 12:30
I think you`re just looking for an argument, mike.
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Tue 8 Oct 14:09
Oh no he`s not.
Oh yes he is.
etc. 😊
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Tue 8 Oct 14:14
Whatever we think of the squad`s deficiencies, I think we`d be doing OK if Tobi and Matty weren`t injured. So it`s not all about injuries or the standard of our players, it`s degrees of each and I think Tobi and Matty out, plus the loss ( a significant loss) of Josh, has been enough to tip us from being OK to not OK. Those three players in form, plus Bene in form and a few other details would have made us a lot lot better.
Post Edited (Tue 08 Oct 14:22)
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Tue 8 Oct 14:27
Mcpake said on more than one occasion last year we weren`t using injuries as an excuse for the defeats. We have been full strength more often than not this season albeit the early stages not having a back up Keeper (manager or BOD choice ) we have been well off it. These are the managers players with no players that he hasn`t given extensions too if he didn`t sign them, and they are not up to the task. Evidence of this can be seen in the table.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Tue 8 Oct 14:31
I have a number of competing thoughts:
1. McPake has no doubt made mistakes with contract extensions - the most obvious being Mehmet - which has had a negative impact on budgets.
2. He`s also naturally pragmatic/cautious.
3. So are our soon-to-be-ex-owners. That`s quite a toxic combination when things aren`t going well.
4. The injury situation was simply awful for a huge chunk of last year and it does no-one any credit to play it down. It was just the most awful situation I can recall seeing since I started watching in 1988.
5. He deserves credit for getting out of League 1 with one defeat.
6. But he`s also presided over some all-timers in terms of performances and defeats. Not quite Hafnafjordor in Perth levels of despair but some of our performances and results at home have been stinking.
7. I think he`s really suffered with losing progressive/difference-making players to injury at crappy times. Todd, KRH and to a lesser extent Otoo have had their development hampered by injury. There`s so little between the teams in this league that we could be in a fundamentally different place with even a little bit more luck. Laterally Tobi as well.
8. Calling folk happy clappers or willing to accept mediocrity is terrible patter.
Is he still or was he ever the right guy for the job? Maybe not. Increasingly looking like a probably not situation. Is a change in management a silver bullet? Try asking Raith that. Is going for one of the fashionable next-big-thing bosses a silver bullet? Try asking Airdrie that. It`s really, really difficult. Running a football club is a nightmare.
Post Edited (Tue 08 Oct 14:32)
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Tue 8 Oct 14:42
Regarding Deniz - if I remember right he`d been in excellent form for a good while when he got the extension. It didn`t seem a bad idea at the time.
I think we`ve got good enough players, but some haven`t been here long. We`ve not had a settled team - one where you know more or less what the team sheet will be, and it`s just a case of an occasional swap, due to injury or suspension. McPake has got it right sometimes, and the players have gelled sometimes. They can do it, but we need it more consistently. Settled team, consistency. McPake to see out the season and then look at options.
I recommend reading Chris Hamilton`s write-up, it`s encouraging:
`Captain Reflects on Hard-Fought Draw`
https://dafc.co.uk/captain-reflects-on-hard-fought-draw/
Post Edited (Tue 08 Oct 14:53)
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Tue 8 Oct 15:25
Quote:
onandupthepars, Tue 8 Oct 14:42
Regarding Deniz - if I remember right he`d been in excellent form for a good while when he got the extension. It didn`t seem a bad idea at the time.
I think we`ve got good enough players, but some haven`t been here long. We`ve not had a settled team - one where you know more or less what the team sheet will be, and it`s just a case of an occasional swap, due to injury or suspension. McPake has got it right sometimes, and the players have gelled sometimes. They can do it, but we need it more consistently. Settled team, consistency. McPake to see out the season and then look at options.
I recommend reading Chris Hamilton`s write-up, it`s encouraging:
`Captain Reflects on Hard-Fought Draw`
https://dafc.co.uk/captain-reflects-on-hard-fought-draw/
He was just as suspect last time he was at this level.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Tue 8 Oct 15:27
Quote:
Rusty Shackleford, Tue 8 Oct 14:31
I have a number of competing thoughts:
1. McPake has no doubt made mistakes with contract extensions - the most obvious being Mehmet - which has had a negative impact on budgets.
2. He`s also naturally pragmatic/cautious.
3. So are our soon-to-be-ex-owners. That`s quite a toxic combination when things aren`t going well.
4. The injury situation was simply awful for a huge chunk of last year and it does no-one any credit to play it down. It was just the most awful situation I can recall seeing since I started watching in 1988.
5. He deserves credit for getting out of League 1 with one defeat.
6. But he`s also presided over some all-timers in terms of performances and defeats. Not quite Hafnafjordor in Perth levels of despair but some of our performances and results at home have been stinking.
7. I think he`s really suffered with losing progressive/difference-making players to injury at crappy times. Todd, KRH and to a lesser extent Otoo have had their development hampered by injury. There`s so little between the teams in this league that we could be in a fundamentally different place with even a little bit more luck. Laterally Tobi as well.
8. Calling folk happy clappers or willing to accept mediocrity is terrible patter.
Is he still or was he ever the right guy for the job? Maybe not. Increasingly looking like a probably not situation. Is a change in management a silver bullet? Try asking Raith that. Is going for one of the fashionable next-big-thing bosses a silver bullet? Try asking Airdrie that. It`s really, really difficult. Running a football club is a nightmare.
Good, sensible and rational post, Rusty.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Tue 8 Oct 16:08
He kept us in this league last year, and he can do it again. I wouldn`t risk a change and go down, that could be fatal.
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Tue 8 Oct 16:48
As someone said earlier, we probably can`t afford to sack Mcpake ,so we have to hope he can keep us up , but I certainly wouldn`t give him a new contract, for keeping us up .
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Topic Originator: Bazzler1981
Date: Tue 8 Oct 17:47
I think we should get some boys fae here running our club we would European champions in no time 🤣🤣
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 8 Oct 18:44
`Topic Originator: Bazzler1981 like
Date: Tue 8 Oct 17:47
I think we should get some boys fae here running our club we would European champions in no time 🤣`
Great idea, Bazzler!
Put Berkey in charge of recruitment. That way we wouldn`t sign any duds or `old pals`.
cammypar 1985 could be Head Physio. Any talk of injuries would be given short shrift.
And wee mike would decide the formation and game plan and give the team talk. Pity anyone who questioned or contradicted him though. We don`t want any argumentative types in the dressing room.
😊😊😊
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Tue 8 Oct 19:10
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wee eck, Tue 8 Oct 18:44
`Topic Originator: Bazzler1981 like
Date: Tue 8 Oct 17:47
I think we should get some boys fae here running our club we would European champions in no time 🤣`
Great idea, Bazzler!
Put Berkey in charge of recruitment. That way we wouldn`t sign any duds or `old pals`.
cammypar 1985 could be Head Physio. Any talk of injuries would be given short shrift.
And wee mike would decide the formation and game plan and give the team talk. Pity anyone who questioned or contradicted him though. We don`t want any argumentative types in the dressing room.
😊😊😊
As long as DA No1 isn`t doing the team talks nothing would be relevant.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 8 Oct 19:37
Quote:
onandupthepars, Tue 8 Oct 16:08
He kept us in this league last year, and he can do it again. I wouldn`t risk a change and go down, that could be fatal.
So you wouldn’t risk a change that MAY see us stay up, despite being turgid, but also wouldn’t risk a change that MAY see us in the promotional play offs with a change of style? 🤔 talk about a negative mindset! 😃
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Tue 8 Oct 20:05
Whether we can or can’t afford to sack McPake I just don’t see it happening at this moment in time.
As things stand, there’s 4 different sets of international investors that have each signed NDA’s and are currently going through the clubs books. At this point in time the “local” directors must be very hopeful that at least one of them will be joining us. Usually, new owners/investors have their own ideas and plans and you’d expect that will probably include their own management team. I honestly think that unless it gets absolutely ridiculously bad, they’ll wait it out with McPake and see what happens with the new investors. Given that they are at a certain level of talks with numerous groups - I believe they’ll hope to have the new directors/investors/owners in place this side of Christmas so… until then… I wouldn’t expect much on the management front
COYP
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 8 Oct 20:13
Quote:
cammypar 1995, Tue 8 Oct 19:10
Quote:
wee eck, Tue 8 Oct 18:44
`Topic Originator: Bazzler1981 like
Date: Tue 8 Oct 17:47
I think we should get some boys fae here running our club we would European champions in no time 🤣`
Great idea, Bazzler!
Put Berkey in charge of recruitment. That way we wouldn`t sign any duds or `old pals`.
cammypar 1985 could be Head Physio. Any talk of injuries would be given short shrift.
And wee mike would decide the formation and game plan and give the team talk. Pity anyone who questioned or contradicted him though. We don`t want any argumentative types in the dressing room.
😊😊😊
As long as DA No1 isn`t doing the team talks nothing would be relevant.
Quality retort. I`m sure it made sense in your wee head.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Tue 8 Oct 20:19
Quote:
da_no_1, Tue 8 Oct 20:13
Quote:
cammypar 1995, Tue 8 Oct 19:10
Quote:
wee eck, Tue 8 Oct 18:44
`Topic Originator: Bazzler1981 like
Date: Tue 8 Oct 17:47
I think we should get some boys fae here running our club we would European champions in no time 🤣`
Great idea, Bazzler!
Put Berkey in charge of recruitment. That way we wouldn`t sign any duds or `old pals`.
cammypar 1985 could be Head Physio. Any talk of injuries would be given short shrift.
And wee mike would decide the formation and game plan and give the team talk. Pity anyone who questioned or contradicted him though. We don`t want any argumentative types in the dressing room.
😊😊😊
As long as DA No1 isn`t doing the team talks nothing would be relevant.
Quality retort. I`m sure it made sense in your wee head.
It`s not hard to understand maybe ask a grown up of your struggling.....
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 8 Oct 20:57
Quick.....edit it before anyone notices.......or you run the risk of looking stupid.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Tue 8 Oct 21:07
Ref: Dave_1885
Tue 8 Oct 19:37
"So you wouldn’t risk a change that MAY see us stay up... talk about a negative mindset!"
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You mean we`re already dead in the water! 🤔
Another gem from Dave 1885`s Big Bumper Book of Positivity. 😃
Post Edited (Tue 08 Oct 21:09)
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 8 Oct 21:55
Quote:
onandupthepars, Tue 8 Oct 21:07
Ref: Dave_1885
Tue 8 Oct 19:37
"So you wouldn’t risk a change that MAY see us stay up... talk about a negative mindset!"
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You mean we`re already dead in the water! 🤔
Another gem from Dave 1885`s Big Bumper Book of Positivity. 😃
Accepting 8th as a positive result just shows how low we have sunk really……
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Tue 8 Oct 23:05
We`re all passionate Pars supporters Dave - we just have different ways of managing our feelings about it. Took me a long time to get used to us playing in the same league as the likes of Cove Rangers, Kelty, Edinburgh City etc. We`ve moved on a wee bit from there, we`re a bottom half Champ team now - it`s where we finished last season and where we`re likely to finish this season. We`ve been tae fitba` hell and back - still trying to make our way back up - keep having setbacks. I think there`s a mood of determination among our players - that`s according to our Captain, Chris Hamilton, and that geez me a wee lift. We`re better than we were in the League cup, that`s for sure. If we were still that bad we`d be justified in screaming blue murder!
I like it that Hamilton`s where he likes to be, at centre half. That`s another wee positive. Matty`s getting there. Tobi must be getting closer to coming back. We`ve got a few new players that can improve us. There`s room for a wee bit optimism afore we clash wi` the mighty maroons o` Kelty.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Wed 9 Oct 10:36
Quote:
weemike, Tue 8 Oct 12:18
He got criticism and rightly so after morton 5-0 and QP 3-0 both at home, which were an abomination. 2 of the worst performances I`ve seen at EEP. That set the alarm bells off for me.
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Obviously you haven`t been supporting the Pars for long!🤔😲
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 9 Oct 11:53
Quote:
onandupthepars, Tue 8 Oct 23:05
We`re all passionate Pars supporters Dave - we just have different ways of managing our feelings about it. Took me a long time to get used to us playing in the same league as the likes of Cove Rangers, Kelty, Edinburgh City etc. We`ve moved on a wee bit from there, we`re a bottom half Champ team now - it`s where we finished last season and where we`re likely to finish this season. We`ve been tae fitba` hell and back - still trying to make our way back up - keep having setbacks. I think there`s a mood of determination among our players - that`s according to our Captain, Chris Hamilton, and that geez me a wee lift. We`re better than we were in the League cup, that`s for sure. If we were still that bad we`d be justified in screaming blue murder!
I like it that Hamilton`s where he likes to be, at centre half. That`s another wee positive. Matty`s getting there. Tobi must be getting closer to coming back. We`ve got a few new players that can improve us. There`s room for a wee bit optimism afore we clash wi` the mighty maroons o` Kelty.
We won 1 in 4 games in the league cup - we have won 1 in 8 in the league - how have we improved exactly? 🤔😂
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Wed 9 Oct 12:49
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Wed 9 Oct 10:36
Quote:
weemike, Tue 8 Oct 12:18
He got criticism and rightly so after morton 5-0 and QP 3-0 both at home, which were an abomination. 2 of the worst performances I`ve seen at EEP. That set the alarm bells off for me.
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Obviously you haven`t been supporting the Pars for long!🤔😲
About 35 years, I can`t think of much worse performances.
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Wed 9 Oct 13:25
Topic Originator: Dave_1885 like
Date: Wed 9 Oct 11:5
"We won 1 in 4 games in the league cup - we have won 1 in 8 in the league - how have we improved exactly? 🤔😂"
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It`s a good question, and you might not agree with the answer, but losing to Forfar and Cove Rangers at home, suggested to me that we might be up the creek when it came to the League. But we haven`t been mangled to pieces by any team in our league, as I feared we might after getting soundly beaten by Forfar in particular. We did very well against the Rovers and Ayr, we nearly got a point fae the Jags, we nearly beat Airdrie. We`ve not been humiliated, in any league game, like we were v Forfar. That`s progress I`d say. We need more, and only time will tell. I can`t help being a wee bit positive, and I`m as hungry for better results and performances as you are.
Post Edited (Wed 09 Oct 13:43)
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 9 Oct 13:29
McPake has a win % of 27.2% in the Championship with Dunfermline, and 1 win in the last 8. This season its 12.5%. We have also had one of our worst cup performances this season (in the League Cup).
This squad is now fully his team - his resignings, new signings and loanees.
Really simple question - is this acceptable for him to keep his position as our manager? Yes or No?
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Wed 9 Oct 13:45
Yes.
In different circumstances, no.
But the circumstances provide mitigation.
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Topic Originator: thebear
Date: Wed 9 Oct 14:02
Manager has a lot to answer for, but the players more so, stupid defensive mistakes that affect moral and nothing up front, players who run out of ideas and blast the ball wide or directly at a defenders foot, too many players not contributing but many fans still support them, the manager needs to leave chalmers,wighton and mcann out for a few weeks to scare them and see if they work harder and straight away change the front and also have more forwards and less defenders.
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Topic Originator: The Boss
Date: Wed 9 Oct 15:06
Quote:
Rusty Shackleford, Tue 08 Oct 14:31
I have a number of competing thoughts:
1. McPake has no doubt made mistakes with contract extensions - the most obvious being Mehmet - which has had a negative impact on budgets.
2. He`s also naturally pragmatic/cautious.
3. So are our soon-to-be-ex-owners. That`s quite a toxic combination when things aren`t going well.
4. The injury situation was simply awful for a huge chunk of last year and it does no-one any credit to play it down. It was just the most awful situation I can recall seeing since I started watching in 1988.
5. He deserves credit for getting out of League 1 with one defeat.
6. But he`s also presided over some all-timers in terms of performances and defeats. Not quite Hafnafjordor in Perth levels of despair but some of our performances and results at home have been stinking.
7. I think he`s really suffered with losing progressive/difference-making players to injury at crappy times. Todd, KRH and to a lesser extent Otoo have had their development hampered by injury. There`s so little between the teams in this league that we could be in a fundamentally different place with even a little bit more luck. Laterally Tobi as well.
8. Calling folk happy clappers or willing to accept mediocrity is terrible patter.
Is he still or was he ever the right guy for the job? Maybe not. Increasingly looking like a probably not situation. Is a change in management a silver bullet? Try asking Raith that. Is going for one of the fashionable next-big-thing bosses a silver bullet? Try asking Airdrie that. It`s really, really difficult. Running a football club is a nightmare.
Post Edited (Tue 08 Oct 14:32)
Try asking Raith? That’s madness comparing the two. They sacked Murray after he guided them to second in the league, putting up a great challenge to United and playing some good football. Also winning 5 consecutive derbies. I think most fans were shocked at this and most would agree that was totally unfair.
I don’t think it’s unfair or unreasonable for us to be questioning McPake after more than two seasons of awful football, dire results, early cup exits and pretty miserable signings. You can’t defend him forever. Something will have to give eventually.
I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Wed 9 Oct 15:42
Quote:
onandupthepars, Wed 9 Oct 13:45
Yes.
In different circumstances, no.
But the circumstances provide mitigation.
What circumstances though he resigned a striker who is hardly ever fit and when he is he never scores. He resigned another 2 who has proved they don`t have what it takes at this level and his signings have failed to make us better. What else does he have to fail at to change your mind.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Wed 9 Oct 15:49
Quote:
The Boss, Wed 9 Oct 15:06
Quote:
Rusty Shackleford, Tue 08 Oct 14:31
I have a number of competing thoughts:
1. McPake has no doubt made mistakes with contract extensions - the most obvious being Mehmet - which has had a negative impact on budgets.
2. He`s also naturally pragmatic/cautious.
3. So are our soon-to-be-ex-owners. That`s quite a toxic combination when things aren`t going well.
4. The injury situation was simply awful for a huge chunk of last year and it does no-one any credit to play it down. It was just the most awful situation I can recall seeing since I started watching in 1988.
5. He deserves credit for getting out of League 1 with one defeat.
6. But he`s also presided over some all-timers in terms of performances and defeats. Not quite Hafnafjordor in Perth levels of despair but some of our performances and results at home have been stinking.
7. I think he`s really suffered with losing progressive/difference-making players to injury at crappy times. Todd, KRH and to a lesser extent Otoo have had their development hampered by injury. There`s so little between the teams in this league that we could be in a fundamentally different place with even a little bit more luck. Laterally Tobi as well.
8. Calling folk happy clappers or willing to accept mediocrity is terrible patter.
Is he still or was he ever the right guy for the job? Maybe not. Increasingly looking like a probably not situation. Is a change in management a silver bullet? Try asking Raith that. Is going for one of the fashionable next-big-thing bosses a silver bullet? Try asking Airdrie that. It`s really, really difficult. Running a football club is a nightmare.
Post Edited (Tue 08 Oct 14:32)
Try asking Raith? That’s madness comparing the two. They sacked Murray after he guided them to second in the league, putting up a great challenge to United and playing some good football. Also winning 5 consecutive derbies. I think most fans were shocked at this and most would agree that was totally unfair.
I don’t think it’s unfair or unreasonable for us to be questioning McPake after more than two seasons of awful football, dire results, early cup exits and pretty miserable signings. You can’t defend him forever. Something will have to give eventually.
Read the post again.
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Topic Originator: LEGEND85
Date: Wed 9 Oct 15:54
Results are poor have been for ages.
The football on offer is dreadful and what worries me is both McPake and Hamilton both think Saturday was somehow OK or a step in the right direction.
The only positive was we didn`t get beat.
I`m really struggling to understand how on this forum some people seem positive.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 9 Oct 15:54
It`s unbelievable how many people mash the keyboard in response to a post they clearly haven`t read properly
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 9 Oct 16:06
Imagine being told you were being sacked about 6 months into your third year of employment based on the results for the whole period despite the fact that you`d achieved the targets you`d been set in years 1 and 2. I don`t know about you but I`d be raging, especially when my bosses had frozen my budget at the start of year 3 and had only restored it recently so it was too early to judge how well I`d spent the money.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Wed 9 Oct 16:12
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 9 Oct 16:06
Imagine being told you were being sacked about 6 months into your third year of employment based on the results for the whole period despite the fact that you`d achieved the targets you`d been set in years 1 and 2. I don`t know about you but I`d be raging, especially when my bosses had frozen my budget at the start of year 3 and had only restored it recently so it was too early to judge how well I`d spent the money.
That`s football management. Poor performances and results lead to you getting shown the door. We have been rotten and only survived last season because Arbroath and ict were in the league and were worse than us.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: The Boss
Date: Wed 9 Oct 16:16
Quote:
LEGEND85, Wed 09 Oct 15:54
Results are poor have been for ages.
The football on offer is dreadful and what worries me is both McPake and Hamilton both think Saturday was somehow OK or a step in the right direction.
The only positive was we didn`t get beat.
I`m really struggling to understand how on this forum some people seem positive.
Exactly this. I’m not sure if they just do it for attention to be honest. I think every other club in our division would have chased him out the door by now.
I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
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Topic Originator: Bucuresti Par
Date: Wed 9 Oct 16:19
I wouldn`t describe 8 league games and 4 league cup games as too early - add to the fact he is 2 years into the job with a squad entirely of his making. We are on course for 22/23 points. The target for the league cup will have already not been met.
1st season - winning the league, above expectations
2nd season - mid table (just), meeting (low) expectations
3rd season - joint bottom, not meeting (low) expectations
In which direction are we trending?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 9 Oct 16:27
`That`s football management. Poor performances and results lead to you getting shown the door. We have been rotten and only survived last season because Arbroath and ict were in the league and were worse than us.`
Your memory`s let you down again, cammypar, just like it did re injuries. There were four teams below us last season, not two. I suppose Dundee United were lucky to win the league because all the other teams were worse than them! 😂😂😂
It`s quite amusing, if it wasn`t such a serios subject, to see how McPake`s detractors twist the facts to support their case, even including two seasons where he achieved the targets he was set. Are you related to Donald Trump by any chance?
Post Edited (Wed 09 Oct 16:32)
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Wed 9 Oct 16:31
Quote:
The Boss, Wed 9 Oct 16:16
Quote:
LEGEND85, Wed 09 Oct 15:54
Results are poor have been for ages.
The football on offer is dreadful and what worries me is both McPake and Hamilton both think Saturday was somehow OK or a step in the right direction.
The only positive was we didn`t get beat.
I`m really struggling to understand how on this forum some people seem positive.
Exactly this. I’m not sure if they just do it for attention to be honest. I think every other club in our division would have chased him out the door by now.
Pretty much no-one is being positive. They might have a different perspective but no-one is enjoying this. Doesn`t help if you patently don`t read posts properly either.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 9 Oct 16:36
It`s as I said yesterday. There are so many posters on here who are so convinced they are right they can`t believe anyone who disagrees with them has a genuinely-held opinion but are just mischief-makers.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Wed 9 Oct 16:51
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 9 Oct 16:27
`That`s football management. Poor performances and results lead to you getting shown the door. We have been rotten and only survived last season because Arbroath and ict were in the league and were worse than us.`
Your memory`s let you down again, cammypar, just like it did re injuries. There were four teams below us last season, not two. I suppose Dundee United were lucky to win the league because all the other teams were worse than them! 😂😂😂
It`s quite amusing, if it wasn`t such a serios subject, to see how McPake`s detractors twist the facts to support their case, even including two seasons where he achieved the targets he was set. Are you related to Donald Trump by any chance?
Dundee united won more games than they lost hence why they won the league and are going well in the premiership, we actually lost more games than we won. Meanwhile we sit exactly where we should be with the utter guff produced by mcpakes players, out of the cup after a favourable draw and 1 win in the league. You can come out with whatever you want Eck but the facts are the facts. We are not good enough and the league table shows that and I`ve seen nothing to say that it will show otherwise at the end of the season if we keep this clown in charge.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 9 Oct 17:10
`Facts are the facts` you say but I just pointed out that one of your `facts` was wrong and you`re now making a totally irrelevant point about losing more games than we won! You`re so blinkered you just move the goalposts any time somebody points out your lack of logic.
Go on bleating away but I don`t think anything will happen while there is uncertainty over the club`s ownership.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 9 Oct 17:22
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 9 Oct 16:36
It`s as I said yesterday. There are so many posters on here who are so convinced they are right they can`t believe anyone who disagrees with them has a genuinely-held opinion but are just mischief-makers.
The irony of you thinking others always believe they are right is staggering. The fact you think we should keep a guy in a job because he achieved a mediocre finish last year and has won 1 game in 8 this year is just unbelievable tbh.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Wed 9 Oct 17:23
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 9 Oct 17:10
`Facts are the facts` you say but I just pointed out that one of your `facts` was wrong and you`re now making a totally irrelevant point about losing more games than we won! You`re so blinkered you just move the goalposts any time somebody points out your lack of logic.
Go on bleating away but I don`t think anything will happen while there is uncertainty over the club`s ownership.
How is it irrelevant that we lost more games than we won last year when talking about us underperforming? I`d say a team losing more than they win is a pretty accurate description of an underperforming football team ?
Facts are indeed facts we lost 13 games last season while winning 11- losing 2 more than we won since you`re obviously struggling to grasp that.
We have won 1 league game this season (Raith) out of 8, drawing 3 and losing 5 again pointing to a team underperforming and that is further evident when you see we are only above Airdrie because we have lost less goals than them.
If you look at it with an open mind you can see we`re a team struggling. Mcpake signed these guys and they either aren`t good enough at this level or he can`t get the right tune out of them. Either way he brought them here or kept them around so he has to carry the can for the position we are currently in.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 9 Oct 17:41
First of all I have never said McPake should keep his job. I said to a friend after the QP game that the only thing saving him is the current uncertainty over the ownership of the club and I`ve repeated that on here. Needless to say this forum has a habit of misrepresenting people`s views.
We seem to have yet another criterion for success now - winning more games than we lose. Obviously that would be great but I don`t remember it ever being set as a target. On average you would expect the teams in the bottom half of a league to fail to meet this target each season. Are we to expect all these teams to sack their managers? The failure rate of managers is high enough already without pushing the bar even higher.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 9 Oct 17:45
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 9 Oct 17:41
First of all I have never said McPake should keep his job. I said to a friend after the QP game that the only thing saving him is the current uncertainty over the ownership of the club and I`ve repeated that on here. Needless to say this forum has a habit of misrepresenting people`s views.
We seem to have yet another criterion for success now - winning more games than we lose. Obviously that would be great but I don`t remember it ever being set as a target. On average you would expect the teams in the bottom half of a league to fail to meet this target each season. Are we to expect all these teams to sack their managers? The failure rate of managers is high enough already without pushing the bar even higher.
Jesus wept I hope none of our future managers are hired on a target of not winning more games than drawing/losing or we are in real bother 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Wed 9 Oct 17:52
I would imagine that all of the uncertainty over the ownership of the club must be difficult for those employed there.
I hope that this can be resolved soon for all those affected. At this stage in the season there is time to turn things around. For me that involves everyone pulling in the same direction. We aren`t the best team in the league and I don`t think we are the worst. Personally I believe we will improve so just have to keep plugging away.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Wed 9 Oct 17:54
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 9 Oct 17:41
First of all I have never said McPake should keep his job. I said to a friend after the QP game that the only thing saving him is the current uncertainty over the ownership of the club and I`ve repeated that on here. Needless to say this forum has a habit of misrepresenting people`s views.
We seem to have yet another criterion for success now - winning more games than we lose. Obviously that would be great but I don`t remember it ever being set as a target. On average you would expect the teams in the bottom half of a league to fail to meet this target each season. Are we to expect all these teams to sack their managers? The failure rate of managers is high enough already without pushing the bar even higher.
Absolutely if we are under performing which we are. The target was to get a cup run confirmed by cook in his recent statement at the fans Q&A evening. Despite having a favourable draw we failed no excuses we failed. We have continued the poor performances into the league campaign so why should he keep his job.
I get set certain targets at my work which are set out to me annually by my manager and area manager. If I fail and my team continues to perform below the levels set I will lose my job. Mcpake should be no different. We are out of the cup and potentially be out of another after Saturday and the squad is worse than last season as we lost Edwards.
c'mon the pars
Post Edited (Wed 09 Oct 18:00)
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Wed 9 Oct 18:03
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 9 Oct 17:41
First of all I have never said McPake should keep his job. I said to a friend after the QP game that the only thing saving him is the current uncertainty over the ownership of the club and I`ve repeated that on here. Needless to say this forum has a habit of misrepresenting people`s views.
So you agree he should be punted then?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 9 Oct 18:12
I don`t think it`s appropriate to make a decision now while there is uncertainty over the ownership of the club. When that`s resolved we`ll have to see how things stand but it will be a decision for the new owners.
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Topic Originator: The Boss
Date: Wed 9 Oct 18:12
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Rusty Shackleford, Wed 09 Oct 16:31
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The Boss, Wed 9 Oct 16:16
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LEGEND85, Wed 09 Oct 15:54
Results are poor have been for ages.
The football on offer is dreadful and what worries me is both McPake and Hamilton both think Saturday was somehow OK or a step in the right direction.
The only positive was we didn`t get beat.
I`m really struggling to understand how on this forum some people seem positive.
Exactly this. I’m not sure if they just do it for attention to be honest. I think every other club in our division would have chased him out the door by now.
Pretty much no-one is being positive. They might have a different perspective but no-one is enjoying this. Doesn`t help if you patently don`t read posts properly either.
I did read it. It’s all empty questions though. What do YOU think we should do? Do you still back him? Do you think we’ve had value for money?
I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 9 Oct 18:20
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wee eck, Wed 9 Oct 18:12
I don`t think it`s appropriate to make a decision now while there is uncertainty over the ownership of the club. When that`s resolved we`ll have to see how things stand but it will be a decision for the new owners.
We could be relegated by the time it’s resolved……
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Wed 9 Oct 18:21
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wee eck, Wed 9 Oct 18:12
I don`t think it`s appropriate to make a decision now while there is uncertainty over the ownership of the club. When that`s resolved we`ll have to see how things stand but it will be a decision for the new owners.
Would you sacrifice our championship status because you didn`t think it was appropriate?
Where do we draw the line? Similar form until January? after January?
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Topic Originator: KirklistonPar
Date: Wed 9 Oct 18:31
I’ve been racking my brain thinking what might kickstart our season.
Going back to a 4-4-2 formation like we did to steady the ship and get off the bottom of the table last season.
A convincing win against Kelty Hearts at the weekend with 3 different players scoring goals to help boast the team’s confidence.
New owner’s coming in which could take away some of the uncertainty that is around the club just now as this will certainly be effecting all the staff.
Change of management, coaching but I don’t think that is a possibility due to money constraints. At least under the current management.
The only part we can really influence as supporters is getting along to EEP and giving the players our backing. Not that it’s an easy ask in our current form.
I will be heading over on Saturday for my first game of the season and I’m sure we can get a victory Need to try and stay confident that we can change things around soon otherwise what’s the point in going.
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Topic Originator: CrossPar
Date: Wed 9 Oct 18:45
The board will be forced to react if results continue like this because McPake has had a lot of patience from fans at matches up to now, due to the unprecedented injuries last season and the lack of budget provided for players at the beginning of the season.
Both these scenarios have passed. There are no excuses from here-on. It is his team, his tactics, his formations and his selections. He has good enough players to be doing better than he is currently doing. If it doesn`t improve, the fans patience will be exhausted, they will vote with their feet and make their feelings known at the games and the board will have no option other than change management or accept relegation.
And this old argument that we cannot afford to sack them is hogwash. Managers get sacked all the time in football. We are no different from other clubs in that respect.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 9 Oct 18:48
If the situation continues to deteriorate then that may change things but the hope is things will improve when the new signings settle.
Plenty hypothetical questions to me but here`s a practical question to those calling for him to be sacked now - how do you persuade the present owners to incur the expenditure necessary to get rid of the present management team and how do you persuade someone to take the job on given the uncertainty over ownership? Raymie asked these questions at 9:37 yesterday morning but I don`t think anyone has addressed them.
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Topic Originator: KirklistonPar
Date: Wed 9 Oct 18:56
The present owner’s obviously believe in McPake and that’s why extra funds were given to him to get extra players in rather than money to pay him off.
Post Edited (Wed 09 Oct 18:59)
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Wed 9 Oct 19:01
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wee eck, Wed 9 Oct 18:48
If the situation continues to deteriorate then that may change things but the hope is things will improve when the new signings settle.
Plenty hypothetical questions to me but here`s a practical question to those calling for him to be sacked now - how do you persuade the present owners to incur the expenditure necessary to get rid of the present management team and how do you persuade someone to take the job on given the uncertainty over ownership? Raymie asked these questions at 9:37 yesterday morning but I don`t think anyone has addressed them.
If we don`t act now and we get relegated which is possible when you watch what we are watching. Then we might not have any offers on the table and if we do it will be significantly less than if we stay up. I have said this before along with others if you care to read previous posts. That`s probably how you persuade them. How do you get a new manager to come in? Easy, you pay them. You can`t seriously be saying that guys would prefer to dip into savings or collect dole money than take a job here.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Wed 9 Oct 19:08
The past 5 games have been 2 wins, two defeats and a draw. That is a slight upturn on our earlier results. None of us are suggesting that we are ecstatic about that. But when the players and management appear to be doing all they can to turn things around and there is virtually no probability of any major change taking place right now, the grown up thing to do is to continue to give our best support and be positive where we can. Positivity rather negativity in our present circumstances is the best way to keep the management and players motivated. Booing and gestures of frustration are likely to demotivate.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Wed 9 Oct 19:18
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wee eck, Wed 9 Oct 18:48
If the situation continues to deteriorate then that may change things but the hope is things will improve when the new signings settle.
Plenty hypothetical questions to me but here`s a practical question to those calling for him to be sacked now - how do you persuade the present owners to incur the expenditure necessary to get rid of the present management team and how do you persuade someone to take the job on given the uncertainty over ownership? Raymie asked these questions at 9:37 yesterday morning but I don`t think anyone has addressed them.
The cost of not sacking him may be greater than the cost of retaining him. (Which I think the board will do as sacking him is basically saying the fans were correct, which goes against the gaslighting statement)
plenty of managers would apply for the job regardless of the ownership situation.
Hoping mcpake is suddenly going to transform this team is madness.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Wed 9 Oct 19:24
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wee eck, Wed 9 Oct 18:48
If the situation continues to deteriorate then that may change things but the hope is things will improve when the new signings settle.
Where do you draw the line?
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Wed 9 Oct 19:30
Hoping an untried or previously unsuccessful manager ( for these are the only ones available) will suddenly and lastingly, turn our fortunes around is equal madness, but keeping the present management team is, in our present circumstances, the most likely scenario.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 9 Oct 19:30
As is usual in football you react to the situation you are confronted with from game to game.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Wed 9 Oct 19:38
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wee eck, Wed 9 Oct 19:30
As is usual in football you react to the situation you are confronted with from game to game.
I believe you haven`t addressed the earlier question from wee mike at 1924
c'mon the pars
Post Edited (Wed 09 Oct 19:39)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 9 Oct 19:50
I think I have.
Is wee mike the judge and jury on here?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 9 Oct 19:52
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. In our case there are two potential insanities - keeping the same manager despite the same crap every week, or sack the manager again and expect someone amazing.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Wed 9 Oct 19:54
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wee eck, Wed 9 Oct 19:50
I think I have.
Is wee mike the judge and jury on here?
To be fair, you haven`t stated when enough is enough for you.
You`ve dodged it like a politician.
Post Edited (Wed 09 Oct 19:54)
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Wed 9 Oct 20:01
Insanity is also spending money we don`t have in an uncertain outcome and leaving us in a similar situation to Inverness. We`ve been down that particular road before and most of us don`t want it to happen again.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 9 Oct 20:07
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jake89, Wed 9 Oct 19:52
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. In our case there are two potential insanities - keeping the same manager despite the same crap every week, or sack the manager again and expect someone amazing.
2 and a half years with the same manager isn’t really following suit though as thats a fairly decent stint at our level these days…
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Wed 9 Oct 20:15
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The Boss, Wed 9 Oct 18:12
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Rusty Shackleford, Wed 09 Oct 16:31
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The Boss, Wed 9 Oct 16:16
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LEGEND85, Wed 09 Oct 15:54
Results are poor have been for ages.
The football on offer is dreadful and what worries me is both McPake and Hamilton both think Saturday was somehow OK or a step in the right direction.
The only positive was we didn`t get beat.
I`m really struggling to understand how on this forum some people seem positive.
Exactly this. I’m not sure if they just do it for attention to be honest. I think every other club in our division would have chased him out the door by now.
Pretty much no-one is being positive. They might have a different perspective but no-one is enjoying this. Doesn`t help if you patently don`t read posts properly either.
I did read it. It’s all empty questions though. What do YOU think we should do? Do you still back him? Do you think we’ve had value for money?
There are no empty questions at all. There are two rhetorical questions in there, one of which you missed the point on.
I don`t know what I`d do because I don`t have a sense of the inner workings of either the dressing room or the finances. In magic wand territory I`d prefer an attacking outlook with a far quicker recruitment policy but these things are just ramblings when it`s not my business or money. I doubt an outgoing board who are seeking to recoup a loss of capital are going to authorise tens of thousands of pounds of further outlay and another manager search while they`re also going through due diligence on (supposedly) several potential new owners.
A minority of you just don`t live in the real world and get angry when a guy like Wee Eck politely and calmly chooses to disagree with you. On a forum. Whose primary focus is to discuss the club.
If it`s any consolation Raith Rovers are in full head-loss territory as well if you want to pass the time by reading their forums. It`s cheering me up a wee bit.
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Topic Originator: LEGEND85
Date: Wed 9 Oct 20:21
The real world is losing games and the standard of football is rubbish I`m able to tell this from attending games week in and week out.
That is the reality.
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Wed 9 Oct 20:30
"The only part we can really influence as supporters is getting along to EEP and giving the players our backing. Not that it’s an easy ask in our current form"
Although I`m not sure if I well head along on Saturday yet, I do agree with this
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Wed 9 Oct 20:40
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LEGEND85, Wed 9 Oct 20:21
The real world is losing games and the standard of football is rubbish I`m able to tell this from attending games week in and week out.
That is the reality.
Yes, agree.
Also reality is our owners actively seeking an exit.
Two competing thoughts and situations. This is the essence of adulthood.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Wed 9 Oct 20:44
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Rusty Shackleford, Wed 9 Oct 20:40
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LEGEND85, Wed 9 Oct 20:21
The real world is losing games and the standard of football is rubbish I`m able to tell this from attending games week in and week out.
That is the reality.
Yes, agree.
Also reality is our owners actively seeking an exit.
Two competing thoughts and situations. This is the essence of adulthood.
The balancing act is that supporters are starting to not show up week on week.
There must be a tipping point.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 9 Oct 20:48
Some absolute heads-gone roasters on here.
Talk about a witch hunt....
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Wed 9 Oct 20:51
Quote:
da_no_1, Wed 9 Oct 20:48
Some absolute heads-gone roasters on here.
Talk about a witch hunt....
It`s a fans forum maybe this type of thing isn`t for you.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Wed 9 Oct 21:03
McPake going nowhere in the near future.
Clubs not got the money while going through the change of ownership.
4 separate investors are currently going through the process of looking through the club’s finances.
If all goes to plan someone will hopefully be in place this side of Christmas.
IMO we’re better to stick with McPake for now (unless it goes totally bonkers of course) aswe don’t exactly have the funds to pay off McPake and get in a new manager.
The new investment group will want their own manager in anyway so either way it’s only a matter of time plus it would be better to start a fresh with their new man rather than putting up with someone they’ve not hired/having to pay out for sacking a second manager
COYP
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Topic Originator: The Boss
Date: Wed 9 Oct 21:08
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Rusty Shackleford, Wed 09 Oct 20:15
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The Boss, Wed 9 Oct 18:12
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Rusty Shackleford, Wed 09 Oct 16:31
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The Boss, Wed 9 Oct 16:16
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LEGEND85, Wed 09 Oct 15:54
Results are poor have been for ages.
The football on offer is dreadful and what worries me is both McPake and Hamilton both think Saturday was somehow OK or a step in the right direction.
The only positive was we didn`t get beat.
I`m really struggling to understand how on this forum some people seem positive.
Exactly this. I’m not sure if they just do it for attention to be honest. I think every other club in our division would have chased him out the door by now.
Pretty much no-one is being positive. They might have a different perspective but no-one is enjoying this. Doesn`t help if you patently don`t read posts properly either.
I did read it. It’s all empty questions though. What do YOU think we should do? Do you still back him? Do you think we’ve had value for money?
There are no empty questions at all. There are two rhetorical questions in there, one of which you missed the point on.
I don`t know what I`d do because I don`t have a sense of the inner workings of either the dressing room or the finances. In magic wand territory I`d prefer an attacking outlook with a far quicker recruitment policy but these things are just ramblings when it`s not my business or money. I doubt an outgoing board who are seeking to recoup a loss of capital are going to authorise tens of thousands of pounds of further outlay and another manager search while they`re also going through due diligence on (supposedly) several potential new owners.
A minority of you just don`t live in the real world and get angry when a guy like Wee Eck politely and calmly chooses to disagree with you. On a forum. Whose primary focus is to discuss the club.
If it`s any consolation Raith Rovers are in full head-loss territory as well if you want to pass the time by reading their forums. It`s cheering me up a wee bit.
I don’t think I’ve got angry at all. The situation is really becoming tiresome. People are entitled to their opinions but at the end of the day it’s majority rule and that’s what will eventually force him out. There has been a lot of managers over the years I would have kept be we chose to sack them. Them’s the breaks. The majority wanted them out so they were sacked. Fans will always dictate.
I didn’t ask you about if you were the manager or on the board. I asked you as a fan what do YOU think we should do? It’s not exactly hard to answer. Just the usual cop out on .net. Glad you’re sticking up for your wee pal though. Strange though considering I’ve bypassed most of his posts.
I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 9 Oct 21:44
Quote:
cammypar 1995, Wed 9 Oct 20:51
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da_no_1, Wed 9 Oct 20:48
Some absolute heads-gone roasters on here.
Talk about a witch hunt....
It`s a fans forum maybe this type of thing isn`t for you.
You`re a fan aye? Christ on a bike.....
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Wed 9 Oct 22:42
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The Boss, Wed 9 Oct 21:08
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Rusty Shackleford, Wed 09 Oct 20:15
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The Boss, Wed 9 Oct 18:12
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Rusty Shackleford, Wed 09 Oct 16:31
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The Boss, Wed 9 Oct 16:16
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LEGEND85, Wed 09 Oct 15:54
Results are poor have been for ages.
The football on offer is dreadful and what worries me is both McPake and Hamilton both think Saturday was somehow OK or a step in the right direction.
The only positive was we didn`t get beat.
I`m really struggling to understand how on this forum some people seem positive.
Exactly this. I’m not sure if they just do it for attention to be honest. I think every other club in our division would have chased him out the door by now.
Pretty much no-one is being positive. They might have a different perspective but no-one is enjoying this. Doesn`t help if you patently don`t read posts properly either.
I did read it. It’s all empty questions though. What do YOU think we should do? Do you still back him? Do you think we’ve had value for money?
There are no empty questions at all. There are two rhetorical questions in there, one of which you missed the point on.
I don`t know what I`d do because I don`t have a sense of the inner workings of either the dressing room or the finances. In magic wand territory I`d prefer an attacking outlook with a far quicker recruitment policy but these things are just ramblings when it`s not my business or money. I doubt an outgoing board who are seeking to recoup a loss of capital are going to authorise tens of thousands of pounds of further outlay and another manager search while they`re also going through due diligence on (supposedly) several potential new owners.
A minority of you just don`t live in the real world and get angry when a guy like Wee Eck politely and calmly chooses to disagree with you. On a forum. Whose primary focus is to discuss the club.
If it`s any consolation Raith Rovers are in full head-loss territory as well if you want to pass the time by reading their forums. It`s cheering me up a wee bit.
I don’t think I’ve got angry at all. The situation is really becoming tiresome. People are entitled to their opinions but at the end of the day it’s majority rule and that’s what will eventually force him out. There has been a lot of managers over the years I would have kept be we chose to sack them. Them’s the breaks. The majority wanted them out so they were sacked. Fans will always dictate.
I didn’t ask you about if you were the manager or on the board. I asked you as a fan what do YOU think we should do? It’s not exactly hard to answer. Just the usual cop out on .net. Glad you’re sticking up for your wee pal though. Strange though considering I’ve bypassed most of his posts.
Weird last paragraph.
What do I think we should do? Who is "we"? The German consortium or the old Pars remainder? Like I said, it`s too hard to answer without knowing the facts. If you think that`s a cop out then carry on thinking it`s a cop out. I`m drawing on my experience of running a business.
For the avoidance of doubt because I feel like to have a valid voice on here these days you need to spell things out...I think we`re mince most of the time and I don`t like it. Rusty not like the football. Rusty not happy.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 9 Oct 22:55
If I`m being identified as Rusty`s `wee pal` can I just say that I haven`t a clue who he is and I suspect he doesn`t know me.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 9 Oct 23:22
Wee Eck, he’s LOVELY and a tv star too!
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 9 Oct 23:22
I don`t think anyone can be happy with how we play, the recent performances or the results. Some of us can discuss this without simply saying things like "the clown should be bulleted" immediately.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Wed 9 Oct 23:44
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NMCmassive, Wed 9 Oct 21:03
McPake going nowhere in the near future.
Clubs not got the money while going through the change of ownership.
4 separate investors are currently going through the process of looking through the club’s finances.
If all goes to plan someone will hopefully be in place this side of Christmas.
IMO we’re better to stick with McPake for now (unless it goes totally bonkers of course) aswe don’t exactly have the funds to pay off McPake and get in a new manager.
The new investment group will want their own manager in anyway so either way it’s only a matter of time plus it would be better to start a fresh with their new man rather than putting up with someone they’ve not hired/having to pay out for sacking a second manager
The rest of this thread is a load of rubbish, except for this post by NMCmassive.
There is no chance that we are going to sack McPake. He`s in charge at least until new owners are found. There is no way we are going to pay him off, and get a replacement in from another club who would be willing to come here on the off chance that they won`t get their jotters when new owners do take over.
So then we are looking around the out of work managers in Scotland. That`s a small and uninspiring pool - Steven Naismith, Craig Levein, Jim McIntyre, Ian Murray, Barry Robson
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 9 Oct 23:58
I agree for the most part.....but if it gets worse over the next couple of weeks he could be removed and replaced in the interim by one of our more experienced players......Bene/Chalmers/Wotherspoon.
Arguably they couldn`t do much worse on current form.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Thu 10 Oct 10:12
Posted something very similar da no1 earlier in the week.
Punt mcpake if this continues and give bene or wotherspoon the gig on a temp basis (haven’t included chalmers as he’s only 30). The club might be more attractive without any severance for mcpake having to be priced in and we can put an end to years of quite frankly crap football.
The club needs a new direction both off and on the park.
I’m not sure mcpake has the ability to turn this round, results might pick up a wee bit with a few narrow wins but end of the day the way he wants to play would get football stopped and even now he doesn’t have the right players in the squad to make the difference.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 10 Oct 11:41
That assumes that any of the current squad would be good managers or even want the responsibility.
Management in any sector can be hard, particularly if your inexperienced and being asked to manage guys who used to be your team mates.
How many games did Shields get as interim manager? I remember one win but not sure how long he had the role?
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Topic Originator: Bamba-Daft
Date: Thu 10 Oct 12:03
Ian McCall out of a job now. Sure he’d jump at the chance to take us until the end of the season..
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Thu 10 Oct 12:04
Ian McCall just left Clyde by mutual consent.
Did well to save Clyde last year but struggled this season.
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Thu 10 Oct 12:50
Folk are posting that all we need to do is give the job to one of our senior players and that`s gonna resolve everything - new style of play, zooming up the league, better scouting and signing etc etc. All that is irrelevant. We`re in a tight spot. We have to survive this season, nothing else. We can work at playing like Pars `68, next season and thereafter. We can look for a Stein-like genius to transform us. For now, it`s all about giving our all. I believe McPake still has the dressing room, and the players still have ambition with us. While we`re waiting for one o` these schemes or dreams to materialise, let`s get on and support the team, thin times though they may be.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Thu 10 Oct 12:52
I would like to think the board have told mcpake what he needs to achieve in the next 3-5 games to not be sacked, surely even with the ongoing ownership change this will have had happened.
the Germans would not put themselves in a situation where a management team who they refuse to sack regardless are effectively devaluing the club with every result? If we’re bottom at Christmas I’d assume the price to buy would then be that of a league 1 club. Especially if mcpake is still there and he needs replaced and a new manager and some players required in Jan.
The longer mcpake churns out that garbage the riskier it gets for any buyer. At what point does it become too risky to do a deal this season if we are at the bottom?
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 10 Oct 12:57
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onandupthepars, Thu 10 Oct 12:50
Folk are posting that all we need to do is give the job to one of our senior players and that`s gonna resolve everything - new style of play, zooming up the league, better scouting and signing etc etc
That`s definitely not what anyone is saying. Just you.
I was talking about an interim measure until new owners are on board.
Wish folk would actually read posts before replying
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Thu 10 Oct 12:57
Berkey, that record`s near worn oot. You`re like a donkey on a treadmill.
Post Edited (Thu 10 Oct 12:58)
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Thu 10 Oct 12:59
All dreams and schemes da no 1.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 10 Oct 13:37
Ian McCall`s experience at Clyde just illustrates the fickleness of football management. Last season he was hailed as a hero for saving them from the possibility of losing their League 2 status and rewarded with a year`s contract. Now, despite beating Partick at Firhill in the League Cup, he is leaving after going 8 games without a win. It`s interesting that some folk still feel he could do a good job at the Pars though.
Post Edited (Thu 10 Oct 13:45)
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 10 Oct 13:46
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onandupthepars, Thu 10 Oct 12:59
All dreams and schemes da no 1.
And (relatively) young teams....
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 10 Oct 14:55
Quote:
Bamba-Daft, Thu 10 Oct 12:03
Ian McCall out of a job now. Sure he’d jump at the chance to take us until the end of the season..
Seriously?!? 😂😂
COYP
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 10 Oct 14:58
Quote:
Berkey, Thu 10 Oct 12:52
I would like to think the board have told mcpake what he needs to achieve in the next 3-5 games to not be sacked, surely even with the ongoing ownership change this will have had happened.
the Germans would not put themselves in a situation where a management team who they refuse to sack regardless are effectively devaluing the club with every result? If we’re bottom at Christmas I’d assume the price to buy would then be that of a league 1 club. Especially if mcpake is still there and he needs replaced and a new manager and some players required in Jan.
The longer mcpake churns out that garbage the riskier it gets for any buyer. At what point does it become too risky to do a deal this season if we are at the bottom?
They’re not going to remove McPake at this moment in time, there are interested parties looking at the club books. We are just going to have to wait and see what happens over the next month or 2
COYP
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Thu 10 Oct 19:49
I wonder if we do have new owners ,if they will ask for the lifeline money to be put into the first team pot
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Fri 11 Oct 00:48
Quote:
onandupthepars, Thu 10 Oct 12:59
All dreams and schemes da no 1.
You`re up and you`re down
You`re wearing a frown
Are you sick of this city and the people around?
Do you ask yourself from time to time
Should I stick around forever is it gonna be fine?
So go and tell me now, will you get out?
You can live your life forever with your head in the clouds
And you can chase those dreams
Through all of the schemes
You can take on all the world
Show us what it means
The dreams and the schemes and all the young teams
The dreams and the schemes and all the young teams
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 11 Oct 07:38
Quote:
red-star-par, Fri 11 Oct 00:48
Quote:
onandupthepars, Thu 10 Oct 12:59
All dreams and schemes da no 1.
You`re up and you`re down
You`re wearing a frown
Are you sick of this city and the people around?
Do you ask yourself from time to time
Should I stick around forever is it gonna be fine?
So go and tell me now, will you get out?
You can live your life forever with your head in the clouds
And you can chase those dreams
Through all of the schemes
You can take on all the world
Show us what it means
The dreams and the schemes and all the young teams
The dreams and the schemes and all the young teams
👏👏👏
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Fri 11 Oct 08:21
Can`t believe people are even suggesting McCall until the end of the season....there was a time many years ago that I thought McCall would have been the ideal appointment for us, but not now.
I do wonder if he has failed to adapt his methods going into Part Time football however he was given a very healthy budget to get Clyde out of League 2 this season, but has isolated players and supporters alike. He did the same at Ayr and Partick in the end, that`s the last thing we need.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 11 Oct 08:31
Quote:
da_no_1, Fri 11 Oct 07:38
Quote:
red-star-par, Fri 11 Oct 00:48
Quote:
onandupthepars, Thu 10 Oct 12:59
All dreams and schemes da no 1.
You`re up and you`re down
You`re wearing a frown
Are you sick of this city and the people around?
Do you ask yourself from time to time
Should I stick around forever is it gonna be fine?
So go and tell me now, will you get out?
You can live your life forever with your head in the clouds
And you can chase those dreams
Through all of the schemes
You can take on all the world
Show us what it means
The dreams and the schemes and all the young teams
The dreams and the schemes and all the young teams
👏👏👏
Quoting Raith supporters?
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 11 Oct 09:02
Quote:
jake89, Fri 11 Oct 08:31
Quote:
da_no_1, Fri 11 Oct 07:38
Quote:
red-star-par, Fri 11 Oct 00:48
Quote:
onandupthepars, Thu 10 Oct 12:59
All dreams and schemes da no 1.
You`re up and you`re down
You`re wearing a frown
Are you sick of this city and the people around?
Do you ask yourself from time to time
Should I stick around forever is it gonna be fine?
So go and tell me now, will you get out?
You can live your life forever with your head in the clouds
And you can chase those dreams
Through all of the schemes
You can take on all the world
Show us what it means
The dreams and the schemes and all the young teams
The dreams and the schemes and all the young teams
👏👏👏
Quoting Raith supporters?
Oh no......think of the children
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 11 Oct 10:00
Should be ashamed of yourself bringing such filth to this forum. It`s the work of the devil I tell you!
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 11 Oct 10:49
Quote:
jake89, Fri 11 Oct 10:00
Should be ashamed of yourself bringing such filth to this forum. It`s the work of the devil I tell you!
Think you`re losing your mind......losing your mind......🎵😉
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: PARadise
Date: Fri 11 Oct 15:13
Would seem Mcpake is chasing a disaster
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Fri 11 Oct 19:34
There’s a saying in business something along the lines of “if the people won’t change, change the people”. I always thought this was one of those glib phrases that middle management loved to quote in lieu of doing any actual managing but as with most cliches there is a kernel of truth.
The cult of the manager (or head coach??) in football must seem bizarre (if not actually insane) to newcomers to the industry. So much is invested in the one, often relatively inexperienced, individual who typically comes as a package with at least one assistant and maybe a coach or two. all of whom are likely to be binned for some reason or another within a couple of years, and often whilst you are still paying off the last lot.
Given your management team may be regarded as one of the club’s biggest risks, you would hope that a decent amount of due diligence would be done before appointing them, yet often bad choices are made and you can’t help but wonder why. Possibly the view is that if you roll the die often enough you are bound to get a 6 sooner or later.
Once appointed then the board must have a duty to try to get the best out of their staff – this should involve providing them with the resources (usually players), the support and training that they need. It would be quite easy to come up with a dozen or more areas where performance could be measured (some more important than others). If a manager were struggling in any area (particularly results on the pitch) you would hope that assistance would be provided, be it financial or personal, with advice or training, or by reallocating tasks. But there is a risk that your management team wastes their budget on a pile of duds, and this queers the pitch for their successors. You can understand why particular care may be taken in transfer dealings.
I often think that some managers are over-rated (and the opposite is true also) as not enough attention is paid to external factors. John Hughes and George Farm each won a Scottish Cup, but were they that good, or did they get lucky?
Of course, sometimes unreasonable demands are made, particularly over timescales (and this is a function of the structure of Scottish Football). I wonder how the likes of Mourinho, Clough, SAF, Moyes etc would get on with some of the jobs in Scottish football. They’d probably be given short shrift (I think they’ve all been emptied at some point in their careers).
It also seems likely that different skill-sets are required to manage in different circumstances – such as a successful team with a big budget that is playing well, or a team that is struggling, or playing in a lower division. I think we saw this with AJ – picked as he had a track record of achieving promotion from tier 3, less good at challenging in tier 2. A turnaround specialist may be inappropriate once the ship is sailing in the right direction.
Post Edited (Fri 11 Oct 19:35)
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Fri 11 Oct 19:37
To an extent McPake has achieved what he was asked – I think it is a matter of record his first task was to win games of football. He did.
I assume the next item on his “to do” list was to win promotion, then to consolidate in the championship, which he just about managed, despite a horrendous injury list.
I would like to think he has been asked to make progress. This is where the jury is out. Can he produce a winning and entertaining team? Can he produce either?
What needs to change to make it happen and who`s paying?
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Topic Originator: pars4life1
Date: Fri 11 Oct 19:55
`To an extent McPake has achieved what he was asked – I think it is a matter of record his first task was to win games of football. He did.
I assume the next item on his “to do” list was to win promotion, then to consolidate in the championship, which he just about managed, despite a horrendous injury list`
Tasks given to him by a weak as **** boardroom who were willing to accept **** standards. Hopefully once we see a change there then he`ll be judged by proper standards, standards he`ll fail, but we`ve got to sit around and wait on folk that shouldn`t ever have been involved in the club making a decision on who should be given control.
PST and their board need severe questioning, they were given a hell of a lot of money to help save the club and secure the 25% stake in the club, but they gave that up to a bunch of charlatans without ever consulting the fan base.
Somethings ****** about that.
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Topic Originator: k76
Date: Fri 11 Oct 20:08
If we do end up replacing McPake which is very doubtful short term, I would be looking at Tidser.
Got Kelty top of league 1 without the funding of the previous owner.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sat 12 Oct 09:19
Duplicate post.
Not your average Sunday League player.
Post Edited (Sat 12 Oct 09:23)
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sat 12 Oct 09:22
Quote:
pars4life1, Fri 11 Oct 19:55
Tasks given to him by a weak as **** boardroom who were willing to accept **** standards. Hopefully once we see a change there then he`ll be judged by proper standards, standards he`ll fail, but we`ve got to sit around and wait on folk that shouldn`t ever have been involved in the club making a decision on who should be given control.
PST and their board need severe questioning, they were given a hell of a lot of money to help save the club and secure the 25% stake in the club, but they gave that up to a bunch of charlatans without ever consulting the fan base.
Somethings ****** about that.
Has it occurred to you that perhaps the outgoing investors have not delivered on the promises and guarantees they gave when they came in?
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: pars4life1
Date: Sat 12 Oct 09:50
`Has it occurred to you that perhaps the outgoing investors have not delivered on the promises and guarantees they gave when they came in?`
I`m certain of it. They have lied since day 1.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 12 Oct 10:04
What do you think their motive was in getting involved with the Pars?
Post Edited (Sat 12 Oct 10:48)
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sat 12 Oct 10:46
Quote:
wee eck, Sat 12 Oct 10:04
What do you think there motive was in getting involved with the Pars?
That`s a really interesting question Wee Eck, something I have often pondered.
Until recently I was right behind the investment group, I had done a bit of research into their individual backgrounds and they all seemed like respectable and responsible people in their field, they probably still are despite the poorly worded statement when they took the huff.
I think they had a vision in mind of how they would shape the whole ethos of the club and it`s fans and expect us to all get right behind it. Possibly they thought they could turn us into a mini St Pauli. The idea of the Academy and training ground is a good one, and we are seeing some decent young players coming through it now. It feels like they wanted to go with a very small squad of experienced players, which would allow these young players to be introduced. I do have a feeling that they were probably not too worried about which division we were in, it might have actually helped if we were in League 1 to give the youngsters the chance to develop.
I do think they underestimated the patience of the fans, people these days don`t want a 10 year plan, they want instant success without the groundwork, they want other people to be splashing their cash. I also think they underestimated how much it costs to run a club.
I think they had a vision, but didn`t communicate it correctly to get the fans on board, that`s where they failed. I feel let down that they didn`t have the commitment to see it through
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 12 Oct 10:52
That pretty much sums up my own feelings, r-s-p.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 12 Oct 11:55
That’s feels about right red star.
The fans don’t expect immediate success at championship level, they just expected us to punch at our own weight.
The mistakes that were made in not producing a better product on the pitch were not the making of the board.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sat 12 Oct 12:39
Quote:
pars4life1, Sat 12 Oct 09:50
`Has it occurred to you that perhaps the outgoing investors have not delivered on the promises and guarantees they gave when they came in?`
I`m certain of it. They have lied since day 1.
Ah,your earlier post seems to imply that you think that those who allowed the investors to buy into the Pars were to blame, but if they failed to keep the promises given, how can that be the fault of the PST and BoD when they cam in?
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 12 Oct 13:22
Saying it now - today was the final chance. He needs to go.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 12 Oct 13:23
Quote:
jake89, Sat 12 Oct 13:22
Saying it now - today was the final chance. He needs to go.
But he wont go…..remember, we are looking for a big cup run this year 😃
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Sat 12 Oct 13:25
The fans need to make their feelings felt. We need a new manager, time is up on Mcfail.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Sat 12 Oct 13:29
I`m in the new manager camp, but if today is his final chance, probably wait until full time rather than 20 minutes in.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: pars4life1
Date: Sun 13 Oct 10:59
GG
I said they needed questioning, I don`t blame them nearly as much as GBMH. Questions like why give the club up without written in stone guarantees, things like making sure funding was there for a training ground, a proper training ground, not an Astro pitch and portocabins. Did they just trust that GBMH would follow through with their promises? Also why did everything get signed off without any fan consultation? The whole point of PST getting 25% was so we`d be protected from ownership just coming in and doing whatever the hell they wanted.
I know why GBMH wouldn`t want things put out in public and scrutinised and insisting on that may have put and end to their investment. But if someone doesn`t want scrutinised that`s exactly why they should be.
That`s not to say things would have been any different, a lot of people got excited when the sale happened, and we`ve seen with Dundee that fans will vote to give up their share, but also with Motherwell that they will turn it down too.
As for why GmbH are here? I don`t know, they have been quite cagey when that question was asked.
They talked of us being a community club and how that was important in their decision to come. But I think they thought we were like some twee little club who everyone just likes getting together to watch football and whilst it`s nice to win that`s not the important part. They were entirely wrong with that.
They also talked about wanting to change how things are done in football and I think that was trying to have clubs playing youth players, and where nobody cheated and everyone just has a jolly good time win or lose, which is ridiculously naive.
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Topic Originator: Socks
Date: Sun 13 Oct 11:39
That`s pretty close to my own view.
I was one of the minority on this forum at the time who was doubtful about it, and the key question has always been about why they came in the first place.
At the time I mentioned the Anelka situation at the Rovers, where someone with no understanding of Scottish football came in thinking they were coming to some hopeless league and could make a success of bringing in players who had only ever played 7-a-side football in France. Our situation is not on the same level of stupidity as that was, but I do think there are parallels. I think both situations came about because someone thought they were getting into some diddy wee league where their grand visions would be embraced by an adoring public and would lead to success, however that be defined. And probably did think that because it wasn`t a top league in Europe there would be less pressure and fans not as desperate to win as they`d been used to in Germany.
I also mentioned at the time that I was disappointed at the lack of scrutiny by many, who seemed delighted by it. Given that it was only 7 years after our last brush with disaster at the end of the Masterton regime, I was surprised by that. I too was disappointed that the PST just voluntarily accepted that the safeguard against a Masterton situation would be revoked. I`d had membership on and off in the past, but decided then that I never would again.
I was also surprised that most seemd happy when the `true sportsmanship` thing came out. I thought it was a lot of utter nonsense from the first moment I read it. I read it again a few weeks ago and noticed that accountability is a key value listed - strange how they now don`t seem to be so keen on that one.
The manager absolutely should be questioned, but the ownership group should be questioned more.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 13 Oct 20:21
Quote:
pars4life1, Sun 13 Oct 10:59
GG
I said they needed questioning, I don`t blame them nearly as much as GBMH. Questions like why give the club up without written in stone guarantees, things like making sure funding was there for a training ground, a proper training ground, not an Astro pitch and portocabins. Did they just trust that GBMH would follow through with their promises? Also why did everything get signed off without any fan consultation? The whole point of PST getting 25% was so we`d be protected from ownership just coming in and doing whatever the hell they wanted.
I know why GBMH wouldn`t want things put out in public and scrutinised and insisting on that may have put and end to their investment. But if someone doesn`t want scrutinised that`s exactly why they should be.
That`s not to say things would have been any different, a lot of people got excited when the sale happened, and we`ve seen with Dundee that fans will vote to give up their share, but also with Motherwell that they will turn it down too.
As for why GmbH are here? I don`t know, they have been quite cagey when that question was asked.
They talked of us being a community club and how that was important in their decision to come. But I think they thought we were like some twee little club who everyone just likes getting together to watch football and whilst it`s nice to win that`s not the important part. They were entirely wrong with that.
They also talked about wanting to change how things are done in football and I think that was trying to have clubs playing youth players, and where nobody cheated and everyone just has a jolly good time win or lose, which is ridiculously naive.
Thanks for clarifying, pars4life1. My understanding is that GmbH came in good faith and had lots of ideas and proposals that chimed with the previous custodians` aspirations for our club. Factor in that the incoming investors weren`t short of a few bob (11 millionaires AND a billionaire) and you can well understand why our old BoD and the PST were excited and eager to bring GmbH in. Sadly, for all concerned, it hasn`t turned out the way we all hoped it would.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Sun 13 Oct 21:28
So a few millionaires and a billionaire comes in and leaves DAFC like this?? Wanting to bring youth in and we have an Astro with a few portakabins??
Post Edited (Sun 13 Oct 21:31)
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Topic Originator: pars4life1
Date: Mon 14 Oct 06:40
Aye, if they`re not committed to spending the money then fawning over their net worth`s seems a tad silly.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 14 Oct 06:52
Quote:
pars4life1, Mon 14 Oct 06:40
Aye, if they`re not committed to spending the money then fawning over their net worth`s seems a tad silly.
Is that aimed at me or those who brought our outgoing investors in?
I don`t think it`s unreasonable to believe that a group of people with considerably deep pockets would be quite relaxed about throwing more than a few quid into the Pars coffers, to at least allow the manager to assemble a competitive squad for the league we`re in and even have a tilt at promotion.
My understanding is that they`ve invested around £2m and while that`s more than "a few quid," it`s only loose change to these guys, and it certainly hasn`t gone on new players.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Mon 14 Oct 08:56
That`s what I don`t get. I`ve no reason to doubt GG when he says they are so wealthy but when you look at things that actually happened on the ground then it`s clear they weren`t interested at all. They mentioned being a community club - well one part of the community couldn`t access the bars and suites, so the Disabled Supporters Club started fundraising for lift access. If these guys were so wealthy and wanted to show their "community club" credentials then funding that lift would have been achievable by collecting loose chance from the backs of their expensive sofas. The training ground is to be used by the community, so why did it take public funds and grants to become available before it got started? The stupid mission statement (why do companies and councils and clubs have to employ such nonsensical Linked-in managementspeak bollocks?) has ACCOUNTABILITY as one of the four pillars but the GmbH group don`t accept any accountability at all. Anyway, no matter who is in control of things at the club, surely another defeat on Saturday has to be the end? We can`t go through a quarter of the league campaign with only one win and still pretend everything is OK.
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Topic Originator: Steve mcgregor
Date: Mon 14 Oct 11:08
I’m not enjoying the football that we are playing but if I remember rightly, did McPake not have a list of 8 players he wanted at end of last season and was told no! Not sure if it would of made us any better but what I’m trying to say is, shouldn’t the board be getting some flak as well
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Mon 14 Oct 11:20
Kelty - my reading of the situation is that whilst they might all be extremely wealthy & successful etc we were no doubt part of a portfolio of investments for each of them i.e. I doubt we`re keeping any one of them awake at night.
Plus, you tend not to get extremely wealthy by frittering cash away on unprofitable ventures, hence the slow and steady approach.
I do agree with you on the lift thing though, would have been a great PR move.
What we really need is a rich benefactor, with huge emotional ties to the club and one who doesn`t mind losing money or offsetting losses against something else.
Step forward!
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Mon 14 Oct 11:21
Oluwayami, Fogarty, Ngwenya, Wotherspoon, Cooper, Clay, Kane, Madube...
There`s a list of 8 players he has signed. Who were the 8 that he was not allowed to bring in?
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 14 Oct 12:43
Wealthy people tend to be happy to accept any public money available for their ventures; that`s part of the reason they become wealthy (c.f. Jim Ratcliffe who seems to think public money should be invested in Old Trafford) so I`m not surprised they applied for grants to develop Rosyth.
I think the question of them investing in the stair-lift was maybe raised before and an explanation given - maybe Stanza can help. Generally I think the club didn`t want the new investment to discourage the normal fund-raising efforts of the fans which were seen as an essential ongoing element of a club like ours.
Unfortunately because private company accounts are not required to give any detail regarding expenditure we are unlikely to know exactly what their investment was spent on but the fact is they invested around £2m at a time when we seem to have lost around that amount in two years so they helped finance these losses.
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Topic Originator: neilholland999
Date: Mon 14 Oct 16:28
Quote:
Rusty Shackleford, Mon 14 Oct 11:20
What we really need is a rich benefactor, with huge emotional ties to the club and one who doesn`t mind losing money or offsetting losses against something else.
Step forward!
Can we not encourage Sir Alex Ferguson to help us out, or at least ask him to pull a few strings? 😀
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Mon 14 Oct 16:49
The only Fifer I`m aware of who loosened the purse strings was Andrew Carnegie and he`s a distant memory.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 14 Oct 16:59
Quote:
Paralex, Mon 14 Oct 16:49
The only Fifer I`m aware of who loosened the purse strings was Andrew Carnegie and he`s a distant memory.
And even then, it was only after he realised he couldn’t take it with him...... 🙄
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Mon 14 Oct 18:28
GG Riva wrote:
> Quote:
Paralex, Mon 14 Oct 16:49
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> The only Fifer I`m aware of who loosened the purse strings was
> Andrew Carnegie and he`s a distant memory.
>
> And even then, it was only after he realised he couldn’t take
> it with him...... 🙄
Not far wrong with that I guess. I did hear that he was a bit stingy with the wages for his workers. Not sure he was a Pars man either. Bit of a Mason, I heard. 😊
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 14 Oct 19:56
Quote:
Paralex, Mon 14 Oct 18:28
GG Riva wrote:
> Quote:
Paralex, Mon 14 Oct 16:49
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> The only Fifer I`m aware of who loosened the purse strings was
> Andrew Carnegie and he`s a distant memory.
>
> And even then, it was only after he realised he couldn’t take
> it with him...... 🙄
Not far wrong with that I guess. I did hear that he was a bit stingy with the wages for his workers. Not sure he was a Pars man either. Bit of a Mason, I heard. 😊
>
Did slaves get paid wages back then? 🤔
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 14 Oct 20:51
Quote:
Dave_1885, Mon 14 Oct 19:56
Quote:
Paralex, Mon 14 Oct 18:28
GG Riva wrote:
> Quote:
Paralex, Mon 14 Oct 16:49
>
> The only Fifer I`m aware of who loosened the purse strings was
> Andrew Carnegie and he`s a distant memory.
>
> And even then, it was only after he realised he couldn’t take
> it with him...... 🙄
Not far wrong with that I guess. I did hear that he was a bit stingy with the wages for his workers. Not sure he was a Pars man either. Bit of a Mason, I heard. 😊
>
Did slaves get paid wages back then? 🤔
Carnegie`s company employed a lot of African Americans on very low wages. It`s a safe bet to conclude that he was a lot less revered in the US than Dunfermline.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Stanza
Date: Mon 14 Oct 21:36
Quote:
wee eck, Mon 14 Oct 12:43
I think the question of them investing in the stair-lift was maybe raised before and an explanation given - maybe Stanza can help. Generally I think the club didn`t want the new investment to discourage the normal fund-raising efforts of the fans which were seen as an essential ongoing element of a club like ours.
Having retired as a Trustee and Secretary of DADSC once the current scheme got Board approval, it wouldn`t be right for me to make any comment on behalf of DADSC.
But as a point of history, the need to make the 1st Floor function suites accessible to those with mobility problems was a resolution of the Supporters Council in 2014 (from memory), and fundraising started in 2016, long before GmbH came on the scene.
As to the personal worth of the GmbH investors, I would gently suggest that anyone who doesn`t have visibility of their personal finances is only speculating.
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Mon 14 Oct 21:42
GG Riva wrote:
> Quote:
Dave_1885, Mon 14 Oct 19:56
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> Quote:
Paralex, Mon 14 Oct 18:28
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> GG Riva wrote:
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> > Quote:
Paralex, Mon 14 Oct 16:49
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> > The only Fifer I`m aware of who loosened the purse strings
> was
> > Andrew Carnegie and he`s a distant memory.
> >
> > And even then, it was only after he realised he couldn’t
> take
> > it with him...... 🙄
>
> Not far wrong with that I guess. I did hear that he was a bit
> stingy with the wages for his workers. Not sure he was a Pars
> man either. Bit of a Mason, I heard. 😊
> >
>
> Did slaves get paid wages back then? 🤔
>
> Carnegie`s company employed a lot of African Americans on very
> low wages. It`s a safe bet to conclude that he was a lot less
> revered in the US than Dunfermline.
Yes, Carnegie was active making his fortune in the period after slavery had been abolished in the USA. It was officially abolished in 1865 and Carnegie operated in the latter part of the 19th century and into the 20th.
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Mon 14 Oct 22:39
So what is the wealth of our investors?? If there is 11 or so then what is their wealth? They put in 2million so it would be good to know where that 2 million went?
Imo we as a club have been left with a whole pile of ****! Stadium need work and the proposed major training complex is a dump..All funded so where did their 2 million pound investment go to???
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: pars4life1
Date: Mon 14 Oct 23:14
1. GG I wasn`t targeting anyone with my post, it was purely inspired by yours. Ultimately I think it`s been proven those who wanted to get involved were not in the slightest relaxed about giving us money. I think it got to a point of getting blood from a stone for even things they said they`d pay for. Your right nothing has gone towards getting us players, indeed it looks like they`ve taken money that should have been spent on that through normal dafc facilities and used it to fund their fantasy. Not only does our first team look less funded than than if was before they interfered, but funding that should have been a fantastic relief to help us grow through the likes of nisbet sale has disappeared into the wind.
They have spend some money that there is no doubt, but how much have they cost us? Relegation likely cost upwards of a million in revenue with most being through prize money. You add onto that fans being disillusioned, not paying CC fees etc(and those that do still pay in have again had their money paid into the GmbH fantasy) as wee eck says, we don`t know where that money has gone, it`s not gone on first team, only a small amount has gone to the the training ground. So where`s the rest? Youth academy? Ok cheers for the performance level we had already if under a different badge and the choice of a burden of continuing to find or just let it go back to what it was.( I`d choose B, there is almost no evidence of clubs improving their first team by improving their youths as a priority)
2. There`s a level of wealth you can`t attain without being exploitative to some extent. Carnegie was and whoever the anonymous billionaire(the fact they are anonymous says a lot) also have been.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 14 Oct 23:23
As mentioned earlier private companies are not required to give details of expenditure but we can make informed guesses at where their investment may have gone.
Costs of Rosyth, including professional fees, net of any grants
Cost of employing professionals to perform duties previously carried out by volunteers
Repairs to floodlights
Repairs to tannoy system
Repairs to USH
Repairs to drainage
Compensation to former managers
Bonuses to players for winning League 1
Medical expenses not covered by insurance
Most of these could be classified as exceptional or non-recurring and there may be others I haven`t thought of.
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Topic Originator: pars4life1
Date: Mon 14 Oct 23:47
A few hundred K went to rosyth, you can just apply basics maths from the publicly announced cost and the grant amount.
Tannoy, USH etc, these sort of maintenance were often being carried out before GbMH investment, they have maybe spent a hundred or so K beyond what would normally have been spend.
Wages for jobs normally for by volunteers, only done cos volunteers have been pissed off. Entire point of that professionalism was they`d pay for themselves in in increased revenue compared to what a volunteer could generate.
Managers compensation. 1. If you don`t **** up recruitment then this doesn`t happenen. Crawford resigned I believe for free and grant/hughes should have never been employed.
League one bonuses, again should never needed to been paid if they hadn`t humiliated the club and even once they were they should have been covered by the better prize money.
Medical expenses? Yea we had a bad year, we have done on the past and will do again. Nature or football, sometimes you get a good year. Sometimes you get bad ones, that would be covered within a normal business model. Not that additional one GmbH was meant to provide .
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 15 Oct 00:20
You`re not living in the real world though. The fact is Ross McArthur was working for nothing. You wouldn`t get that anywhere else in the commercial world and the club would have to pay the market rate to replace him.
It`s also a fact they would have paid compensation, certainly to Grant. Whether they should have employed him in the first place is another matter. Similarly with players` bonuses; given the reduced revenue in League 1 the prize money would be unlikely to cover bonuses.
I don`t understand what your point is re medical bills. The fact is we had a lot of injuries and I can`t imagine our normal insurance would cover the consultants` fees. When you hear what some procedures cost patients who `go private` it`s fair to assume the medical costs we incurred last season would be excessive.
Football is a very unpredictable business and financial forecasting can be a guessing game. It`s hard to imagine that successful businessmen were spending money if they could have avoided it.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 15 Oct 07:15
The floodlights were hundreds of thousands of pounds. The tannoy system won`t have been cheap either.
The key thing is we previously had volunteers doing a number of things in the club. I`ve said this a few times but you only benefit from a salaried, permanent member of staff if that means they can use that dedicated, paid time to increase revenues and/or deliver a bet product. We were very fortunate to have some massively skilled employees working for nothing or very little financial gain.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Tue 15 Oct 12:10
Quote:
GG Riva, Mon 14 Oct 20:51
Quote:
Dave_1885, Mon 14 Oct 19:56
Quote:
Paralex, Mon 14 Oct 18:28
GG Riva wrote:
> Quote:
Paralex, Mon 14 Oct 16:49
>
> The only Fifer I`m aware of who loosened the purse strings was
> Andrew Carnegie and he`s a distant memory.
>
> And even then, it was only after he realised he couldn’t take
> it with him...... 🙄
Not far wrong with that I guess. I did hear that he was a bit stingy with the wages for his workers. Not sure he was a Pars man either. Bit of a Mason, I heard. 😊
>
Did slaves get paid wages back then? 🤔
Carnegie`s company employed a lot of African Americans on very low wages. It`s a safe bet to conclude that he was a lot less revered in the US than Dunfermline.
Part of Carnegie’s story in America has been mixed up with the dynasty families who are still kicking around to this day.
Him being rich and giving money to education has been conflated with him wanting to create perfect workers for his family business… ignoring the fact he gave away his family fortune only leaving enough for his wife. After she wife passed the rest of the family were kicked out of their home and ended up in an average housing estate.
I know that’s the short story like but it’s the jist of it.
COYP
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Topic Originator: The Boss
Date: Sat 19 Oct 17:42
Bump
I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
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Topic Originator: The Boss
Date: Sat 2 Nov 17:11
Please go!
I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Sat 2 Nov 17:20
Livi win bought him more
Time
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 2 Nov 17:23
Quote:
RMGpar, Sat 2 Nov 17:20
Livi win bought him more
Time
Probably gets him to Xmas although we were better today than usual.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 2 Nov 17:32
Quote:
RMGpar, Sat 2 Nov 17:20
Livi win bought him more
Time
Agreed, and it shouldn’t, but thats the way this board works. Maybe let off a little bit today but we have zero end product despite playing more attacking football.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sat 2 Nov 17:35
Absolute fraud
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Topic Originator: The Boss
Date: Sat 2 Nov 17:35
Quote:
Dave_1885, Sat 02 Nov 17:32
Quote:
RMGpar, Sat 2 Nov 17:20
Livi win bought him more
Time
Agreed, and it shouldn’t, but thats the way this board works. Maybe let off a little bit today but we have zero end product despite playing more attacking football.
The board are absolutely woeful as well.
I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
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Topic Originator: The Boss
Date: Sat 2 Nov 17:36
Quote:
Andrew283, Sat 02 Nov 17:35
Absolute fraud
Every other club in this division would have sacked him by now. We’ve been served up utter garbage for far too long.
I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
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Topic Originator: fergie
Date: Sat 2 Nov 17:37
Enough of this ****, get him out now. In a dire game today we never looked like doing anything. No other manager in any league would survive with his appalling record so stop the fannying about and get him out tonight
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Sat 2 Nov 17:39
Draw would’ve been a fairer result, thought both teams cancelled each other out most of the time.
The goal felt inevitable with the height of some of their players with dead balls.
Disappointed, but don’t care enough at the moment to really ruin my night.
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Topic Originator: Row_ZZ
Date: Sat 2 Nov 17:40
Doesn`t help when fans applaud that absolute dung either. Board will be thinking everything is rosy. Our fans are deluded.
He won`t get sacked until the new board come in, which could be well after Christmas. An absolute joke and we need to stand up and make our voices be heard.
"A smile might be good!"
"Nothing to smile about in my life"
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Topic Originator: Stozy
Date: Sat 2 Nov 17:46
Surviving on the occasional outlier result. Same ponderous play and toothless attack for multiple seasons.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 2 Nov 17:47
That’s squad is always going to struggle when your bringing on the likes of wighton and cooper when looking for a goal.
Most of this team need to have a pretty good game just to look like they can live in this league. If they have an average game they look like league 1 level.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 2 Nov 17:55
Quote:
Row_ZZ, Sat 2 Nov 17:40
Doesn`t help when fans applaud that absolute dung either. Board will be thinking everything is rosy. Our fans are deluded.
He won`t get sacked until the new board come in, which could be well after Christmas. An absolute joke and we need to stand up and make our voices be heard.
To be fair, the applause at full time was fairly muted and there was the odd shout for his head 😂 a draw pre match would have been acceptable. A loss today in such a poor game though isn’t.
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Sat 2 Nov 18:13
Until the club is sold he`s going nowhere, close thread .
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 2 Nov 18:15
Quote:
saltonsgonagetu, Sat 2 Nov 18:13
Until the club is sold he`s going nowhere, close thread .
Seconded
COYP
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Topic Originator: fergie
Date: Sat 2 Nov 18:25
Only close the thread when he is gone, and as said earlier, he must go now.
The longer decisions are delayed in firing him , the more he devalues the club
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 2 Nov 18:28
Quote:
fergie, Sat 2 Nov 18:25
Only close the thread when he is gone, and as said earlier, he must go now.
The longer decisions are delayed in firing him , the more he devalues the club
So we have just paid grant and Hughes off so we pay this team off and bring in who ?
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 2 Nov 18:38
Might as well give it to o’hallaran, he’s free every Saturday.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: PARadise
Date: Sat 2 Nov 18:52
I’m struggling to understand the absolute apathy towards the club just now, of which I am experiencing as well. I think it’s because we’re in limbo, there’s no one held accountable at board level and although I believe Mcpakes time is up there’s no anger towards him, probably because he done what was asked of him in league 1.
I think we really need to start making our voices heard, Dunfermline should never accept being a league 1/champ yo-yo club which we have been for the past few years and the current showing every week is an absolute drag to go and watch. I don’t even flicker an inch when we get near the opponents box and it genuinely catches me by surprise when we do score. There’s no attacking build up, no rotations, poor positioning in wide areas and no targets in the box. Compare that to Mr Murrays raith last year.
There has to be a decision made here and quickly, the season is well and truly underway and the points we’ve dropped today and against accies (a), airdrie (a), partick (a), QP (h), Morton (h), livi (a) all “there for the taking” games is simply not good enough and points we’ll look to at the end of the season in vain.
I get the club saying they’re not willing to update regarding new ownership but does that mean you totally ignore the other moving parts of a football club that the fans may want an insight into what the plan is?
If we are too skint to sack a manager of James Mcpakes quality then that’s even more evidence has to how utterly incompetent the Germans have set our finances up. Get them to f*ck asap.
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Topic Originator: fergie
Date: Sat 2 Nov 19:03
Quote:
cammypar 1995, Sat 2 Nov 18:28
Quote:
fergie, Sat 2 Nov 18:25
Only close the thread when he is gone, and as said earlier, he must go now.
The longer decisions are delayed in firing him , the more he devalues the club
So we have just paid grant and Hughes off so we pay this team off and bring in who ?
Quoting a list of our recent **** ex-managers only emphasises why we need to make a thoughtful and decisive appointment after McPake. As to who is a whole level of debate in its own right. For the record I do not want to see anyone getting sacked but equally I am totally convinced McPake must go now as he is detroying our team and in football management terms of ability, simply put, has not got any.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sat 2 Nov 19:28
McPake is no better or worse than most managers in this division.
He doesn`t deserve the abuse he gets on here. He isn`t a fake or a fraud. He is a manager at Scottish championship level struggling, like several others at the same level, to compete against equal and opposite forces.
I understand the fans` frustration and desire for better entertainment, but who is likely to provide that on what cash we would not have left if we paid off the current management team.
All I have heard for the 20 or so years I`ve been on dotnet is, "Sack the manager."
Don`t think McPake has the ability to get us out of this league. We need an upgrade, but there is no need for the vitriol.
Unless someone comes in with enough investment to finance a significant upgrade, sacking him could be worse for us than seeing out his contract unless relegation looks more likely than it does at the moment.
As long as he is in touch with the middle of the table he is going nowhere.
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Sat 2 Nov 19:34
Why don`t clubs put certain clauses into a manager`s contract?
i.e if the club has less than so many points after so many games then that is considered reasonable grounds for termination. Managers have far too much armour.
Ordinary people in everyday jobs don`t expect a payout if they are sacked due to underperforming,so why should football managers be exempt.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 2 Nov 19:35
Quote:
fergie, Sat 2 Nov 19:03
Quote:
cammypar 1995, Sat 2 Nov 18:28
Quote:
fergie, Sat 2 Nov 18:25
Only close the thread when he is gone, and as said earlier, he must go now.
The longer decisions are delayed in firing him , the more he devalues the club
So we have just paid grant and Hughes off so we pay this team off and bring in who ?
Quoting a list of our recent **** ex-managers only emphasises why we need to make a thoughtful and decisive appointment after McPake. As to who is a whole level of debate in its own right. For the record I do not want to see anyone getting sacked but equally I am totally convinced McPake must go now as he is detroying our team and in football management terms of ability, simply put, has not got any.
That`s not what I asked though. My question is if we sack mcpake tomorrow who gets the job ? I`ve yet to see any viable suggestions.
For what its worth I don`t think mcpake is the answer. That being said I don`t think he goes until we at least have a new owner.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 2 Nov 19:58
I wasn`t there today so perhaps there was logic, but why did Todd come on when Kane was injured rather than use Wighton or Sutherland? I`m (clearly) not a football manager but even my Champ Man skills tell me you don`t put a midfielder upfront.
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Sat 2 Nov 19:59
Time was up months ago. He is not going anywhere whilst the Germans are at the club. I will stay away until he is gone, not watching that garbage anymore.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 2 Nov 20:04
Quote:
Bannockburn Par, Sat 2 Nov 19:59
Time was up months ago. He is not going anywhere whilst the Germans are at the club. I will stay away until he is gone, not watching that garbage anymore.
So you will only attend when we win games ?
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 2 Nov 20:08
Quote:
Row_ZZ, Sat 2 Nov 17:40
Doesn`t help when fans applaud that absolute dung either. Board will be thinking everything is rosy. Our fans are deluded.
He won`t get sacked until the new board come in, which could be well after Christmas. An absolute joke and we need to stand up and make our voices be heard.
Blame the fans who appreciate the effort.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 2 Nov 20:08
Quote:
Bannockburn Par, Sat 2 Nov 19:59
Time was up months ago. He is not going anywhere whilst the Germans are at the club. I will stay away until he is gone, not watching that garbage anymore.
Good.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: cfad
Date: Sat 2 Nov 20:23
He’s going nowhere this season, whatever your opinion may be (unless he decides to resign which is very unlikely). Just a reality of the position the club is in at the moment. So choose your attitude people.
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Sat 2 Nov 21:27
Quote:
Berkey, Sat 2 Nov 17:47
That’s squad is always going to struggle when your bringing on the likes of wighton and cooper when looking for a goal.
Most of this team need to have a pretty good game just to look like they can live in this league. If they have an average game they look like league 1 level.
There`s been plenty time to determine Wighton isn`t good enough but that feels a bit harsh on Cooper. He may have been here since preseason but he`s not played enough and has just come from part time football.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 2 Nov 22:38
"That’s squad is always going to struggle when your bringing on the likes of wighton and cooper when looking for a goal."
Wighton I get but Cooper is one of the few who tries to run at players and has actually scored a very nice goal for us. Bizarre to lump him in when there are plenty of others who don`t look like they are ever going to score in a month of Sundays.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 2 Nov 23:04
Quote:
jake89, Sat 2 Nov 19:58
I wasn`t there today so perhaps there was logic, but why did Todd come on when Kane was injured rather than use Wighton or Sutherland? I`m (clearly) not a football manager but even my Champ Man skills tell me you don`t put a midfielder upfront.
No idea behind the logic of the change as he moved Dapo up front and we created next to heehaw for him.
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Topic Originator: Boomer
Date: Sat 2 Nov 23:21
Bannockburn Par your suggestion to stay away is spot on. We don’t need bell ends like you so please do as you say. We were not outplayed today a mistake cost a goal and Hammy would have scored 9 out of 10. McPake makes mistakes as do the players but the effort can’t be faulted imo.
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Sun 3 Nov 00:18
Quote:
Boomer, Sat 2 Nov 23:21
Bannockburn Par your suggestion to stay away is spot on. We don’t need bell ends like you so please do as you say. We were not outplayed today a mistake cost a goal and Hammy would have scored 9 out of 10. McPake makes mistakes as do the players but the effort can’t be faulted imo.[/
Bell end you say…go feck yourself knob
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sun 3 Nov 00:30
Quote:
Bannockburn Par, Sun 3 Nov 00:18
Quote:
Boomer, Sat 2 Nov 23:21
Bannockburn Par your suggestion to stay away is spot on. We don’t need bell ends like you so please do as you say. We were not outplayed today a mistake cost a goal and Hammy would have scored 9 out of 10. McPake makes mistakes as do the players but the effort can’t be faulted imo.[/
Bell end you say…go feck yourself knob
Now now children! Just because you are a bellend you don`t have to call a knob a knob
Post Edited (Sun 03 Nov 00:30)
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sun 3 Nov 01:40
Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot like
Date: Sat 2 Nov 19:34
Why don`t clubs put certain clauses into a manager`s contract?
i.e if the club has less than so many points after so many games then that is considered reasonable grounds for termination. Managers have far too much armour.
Ordinary people in everyday jobs don`t expect a payout if they are sacked due to underperforming,so why should football managers be exempt.
Because great coaches/managers like JM would not sign on the dotted line.
Just bin him ( and his equally inept coach ) and give the job to any player who has the relevant coaching badges. We could not be any worse….
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 3 Nov 08:07
Quote:
Boomer, Sat 2 Nov 23:21
Bannockburn Par your suggestion to stay away is spot on. We don’t need bell ends like you so please do as you say. We were not outplayed today a mistake cost a goal and Hammy would have scored 9 out of 10. McPake makes mistakes as do the players but the effort can’t be faulted imo.
Hamilton would not score that chance 9 out of 10 times……
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 3 Nov 08:27
Quote:
Dave_1885, Sun 3 Nov 08:07
Quote:
Boomer, Sat 2 Nov 23:21
Bannockburn Par your suggestion to stay away is spot on. We don’t need bell ends like you so please do as you say. We were not outplayed today a mistake cost a goal and Hammy would have scored 9 out of 10. McPake makes mistakes as do the players but the effort can’t be faulted imo.
Hamilton would not score that chance 9 out of 10 times……
I`d like to know how anyone can conclude that any player would/would not score 9 times out of 10 (or any other percentage) from any given chance. I`ll bet you even the player himself wouldn`t be able to guess with any certainty.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 3 Nov 08:35
My point was the squad is not good enough in an attacking sense. Cooper is lightweight and making a massive step up to this level, in an ideal world he’d be on loan at a league 1 team this season so he’s unlikely to make any impact against a team sitting in. Wighton is wighton, not a target man not a
Willing runner, what’s he going to do again against a team sitting in.
KRH came on and we decided to go down the the other side most of the time.
Who in this squad is good in the air outside of the centre backs? We have no focal point to the team. Ashcroft won everything with ease.
I agree for all Hamilton wears his heart on his sleeve and puts a shift in it doesn’t mean he’s good enough to take us further than where we currently are.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Sun 3 Nov 08:35
Ian Murray is free and would have this team playing a lot better.
As other have stated, we’re stuck with him until this takeover happens but if we don’t beat Airdrie at home in a couple of weeks he would surely have to get punted at 5pm.
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Topic Originator: 7 Eleven
Date: Sun 3 Nov 08:36
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GG Riva, Sun 3 Nov 08:27
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Dave_1885, Sun 3 Nov 08:07
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Boomer, Sat 2 Nov 23:21
Bannockburn Par your suggestion to stay away is spot on. We don’t need bell ends like you so please do as you say. We were not outplayed today a mistake cost a goal and Hammy would have scored 9 out of 10. McPake makes mistakes as do the players but the effort can’t be faulted imo.
Hamilton would not score that chance 9 out of 10 times……
I`d like to know how anyone can conclude that any player would/would not score 9 times out of 10 (or any other percentage) from any given chance. I`ll bet you even the player himself wouldn`t be able to guess with any certainty.
This is literally what expected goals (xG) data determines. For example, a penalty kick has a xG value of 0.78, which means penalties should be scored on ‘average’ 78% of the time.
Post Edited (Sun 03 Nov 08:39)
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sun 3 Nov 09:34
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Ahoy!Ahoy!, Sun 3 Nov 08:35
Ian Murray is free and would have this team playing a lot better.
Hard to disagree with this when I think back to his team swarming over the opposition in some games last season. That approach would be a breath of fresh air.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 3 Nov 11:06
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7 Eleven, Sun 3 Nov 08:36
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GG Riva, Sun 3 Nov 08:27
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Dave_1885, Sun 3 Nov 08:07
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Boomer, Sat 2 Nov 23:21
Bannockburn Par your suggestion to stay away is spot on. We don’t need bell ends like you so please do as you say. We were not outplayed today a mistake cost a goal and Hammy would have scored 9 out of 10. McPake makes mistakes as do the players but the effort can’t be faulted imo.
Hamilton would not score that chance 9 out of 10 times……
I`d like to know how anyone can conclude that any player would/would not score 9 times out of 10 (or any other percentage) from any given chance. I`ll bet you even the player himself wouldn`t be able to guess with any certainty.
This is literally what expected goals (xG) data determines. For example, a penalty kick has a xG value of 0.78, which means penalties should be scored on ‘average’ 78% of the time.
Ah, cheers mate. I had no idea how xG was calculated. Who calculated Hammy`s xG? 🤔😃
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Sun 3 Nov 11:16
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Berkey, Sun 3 Nov 08:35
Cooper is lightweight and making a massive step up to this level, in an ideal world he’d be on loan at a league 1 team this season so he’s unlikely to make any impact against a team sitting in.
Exactly, I think there was a reason he was a bench warmer at Stirling in League 2 and last season in League 1. Darren Young pretty much did with him what McPake is doing. However, McPake and Mackay have judged him good enough to make the step up, I’m not sure he can, but he’s lively and forces errors, which others in the squad don’t do. On ability though, he’s as you said, just not going to break down teams at this level who sit in. I’m not sure what a loan back to League 1 would achieve personally, he’s already been there, he’s either good enough for the here and now or he’s not.
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Ahoy!Ahoy!, Sun 3 Nov 08:35
Ian Murray is free and would have this team playing a lot better.
Totally agree, he’s the obvious man. My fear is that someone (suppose it would only really be a return to Airdrie or a move to Morton) swoops in for him while our board are still wondering if McPake is going to work or not.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sun 3 Nov 11:56
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Ahoy!Ahoy!, Sun 3 Nov 08:35
Ian Murray is free and would have this team playing a lot better.
As other have stated, we’re stuck with him until this takeover happens but if we don’t beat Airdrie at home in a couple of weeks he would surely have to get punted at 5pm.
Are you gonny pay his wages
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Sun 3 Nov 13:13
League 1 last time round, Finished 1st and lost 1 million.
Don`t convince yourself that the costs of replacing a manager would be more daunting than relegation. The Livingston result bought him time but that bubble barely got off the ground before it was burst yesterday.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sun 3 Nov 17:15
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Westies squint kicks, Sun 3 Nov 13:13
League 1 last time round, Finished 1st and lost 1 million.
Don`t convince yourself that the costs of replacing a manager would be more daunting than relegation. The Livingston result bought him time but that bubble barely got off the ground before it was burst yesterday.
Who suggested that?
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 3 Nov 17:56
Quote:
Westies squint kicks, Sun 3 Nov 13:13
League 1 last time round, Finished 1st and lost 1 million.
Don`t convince yourself that the costs of replacing a manager would be more daunting than relegation. The Livingston result bought him time but that bubble barely got off the ground before it was burst yesterday.
This was also with 2 home games with Falkirk. Take those gate receipts out and we will lose more money. If we go down.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Sun 3 Nov 18:33
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cammypar 1995, Sun 3 Nov 17:56
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Westies squint kicks, Sun 3 Nov 13:13
League 1 last time round, Finished 1st and lost 1 million.
Don`t convince yourself that the costs of replacing a manager would be more daunting than relegation. The Livingston result bought him time but that bubble barely got off the ground before it was burst yesterday.
This was also with 2 home games with Falkirk. Take those gate receipts out and we will lose more money. If we go down.
Very good point, and if you look at the teams that are likely to still be there, none of them are bringing anymore than a bus load to EEP
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 3 Nov 18:37
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Buster_Brown, Sun 3 Nov 18:33
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cammypar 1995, Sun 3 Nov 17:56
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Westies squint kicks, Sun 3 Nov 13:13
League 1 last time round, Finished 1st and lost 1 million.
Don`t convince yourself that the costs of replacing a manager would be more daunting than relegation. The Livingston result bought him time but that bubble barely got off the ground before it was burst yesterday.
This was also with 2 home games with Falkirk. Take those gate receipts out and we will lose more money. If we go down.
Very good point, and if you look at the teams that are likely to still be there, none of them are bringing anymore than a bus load to EEP
This and also the home crowd we get in these sort of games are lower than Falkirk and rovers.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 3 Nov 19:04
We won’t lose a £1m if we go down as we are more fortunate that a larger number of players will be out of contract at the end of the season where last time there were not as many and everyone we we could let go were let go.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: 7 Eleven
Date: Sun 3 Nov 23:32
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GG Riva, Sun 3 Nov 11:06
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7 Eleven, Sun 3 Nov 08:36
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GG Riva, Sun 3 Nov 08:27
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Dave_1885, Sun 3 Nov 08:07
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Boomer, Sat 2 Nov 23:21
Bannockburn Par your suggestion to stay away is spot on. We don’t need bell ends like you so please do as you say. We were not outplayed today a mistake cost a goal and Hammy would have scored 9 out of 10. McPake makes mistakes as do the players but the effort can’t be faulted imo.
Hamilton would not score that chance 9 out of 10 times……
I`d like to know how anyone can conclude that any player would/would not score 9 times out of 10 (or any other percentage) from any given chance. I`ll bet you even the player himself wouldn`t be able to guess with any certainty.
This is literally what expected goals (xG) data determines. For example, a penalty kick has a xG value of 0.78, which means penalties should be scored on ‘average’ 78% of the time.
Ah, cheers mate. I had no idea how xG was calculated. Who calculated Hammy`s xG? 🤔😃
Data providers such as Wyscout will calculate xG values of individual shots, but I don’t have access to Wyscout anymore. However, I can categorically state that Hamilton’s chance was not 0.9xG, 90% chance or 9/10 times. Yet, it would definitely be classified as a big chance, which I think means it would have been over 0.4xG. Having watched it back on the highlights he should at least be hitting the target and giving the GK or the defender something to do.
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Topic Originator: The Boss
Date: Sat 9 Nov 17:10
Bump
I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Sat 9 Nov 17:14
He should be gone !
But we know it isn`t going to happen
Today we were beaten by a team that isn`t a good team , and they have done the double over us now !
So it let`s you see how bad we are as a team
I still reckon the right man would get more from this bunch of players though
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Topic Originator: Steviethepar2
Date: Sat 9 Nov 17:17
Should just come out and resign tonight enough is enough
Certainly won’t be at Alloa game and I havnt missed a home game for a wee while
Post Edited (Sat 09 Nov 17:22)
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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Sat 9 Nov 17:18
I have a strange strange feeling, that he will resign
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Topic Originator: par-91
Date: Sat 9 Nov 17:21
2 wins in our last 18 league games. If he sticks around, he’ll struggle to get another job in management. We’re dreadful.
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Sat 9 Nov 17:22
What’s the point of it all ffs. He will still be in charge this time next week. The club is a shambles top to bottom…
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 9 Nov 17:25
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par-91, Sat 9 Nov 17:21
2 wins in our last 18 league games. If he sticks around, he’ll struggle to get another job in management. We’re dreadful.
Its a disgrace he is still in the position he is
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Topic Originator: Steviethepar2
Date: Sat 9 Nov 17:30
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Bannockburn Par, Sat 09 Nov 17:22
What’s the point of it all ffs. He will still be in charge this time next week. The club is a shambles top to bottom…
Aye that’s the problem and totally agree no matter what most of us think apathy / lack of any leadership form a non existent board etc…
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Topic Originator: MikeyLeonard
Date: Sat 9 Nov 17:45
James, come on min. . . .it`s time to go.
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Sat 9 Nov 17:48
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par-91, Sat 9 Nov 17:21
2 wins in our last 18 league games. If he sticks around, he’ll struggle to get another job in management. We’re dreadful.
Was about to say exactly the same. I`m not sure where he goes from here as his record looks worse and worse all the time.
The very positive chap on the TN10Y podcast (posted the other day on here) described McPake as something like, `a very average Championship manager`, if he is average what are any number of other managers?
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 9 Nov 17:59
I wasn’t there today so I don’t have that display to make a comment on but I don’t think he’ll resign. Maybe if we get beat by Airdrie but honestly I think we’ll win next week and it’ll drag on another month
COYP
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Topic Originator: Higgys Mohawk
Date: Sat 9 Nov 18:05
No way he will resign. He’ll be in charge next week, and we’ll probably win.
If we don’t though….surely the board will have to pull the trigger.
Unless they are happy with us fighting for 9th and 10th position.
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Sat 9 Nov 18:12
Why would he resign, he is getting a decent wage and will get paid off if he gets sacked. His next job he`ll be lucky if it`s league 1. The club is an embarrassment right now and the fans have a right to be furious with the performances
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Topic Originator: The Boss
Date: Sat 9 Nov 18:20
Even Forfar have pulled the trigger on McKinnon. How bad does it need to get for us to sack McPake?
I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 9 Nov 18:33
Who are the "local directors" at EEP ? in a previous statement they said "All directors remain fully committed and, like you, we all want to build a prosperous and successful club on, and off, the pitch".
If so wake up and smell the coffee we are now at serious risk of cutting ourselves off from the rest of the league and in a relegation dog fight with Airdrie.
We insist we are all for bringing on and developing academy graduates yet we have a perfectly good striker who is the only one at the club with any idea on where the goal is sitting on the bench watching the embarrassing performances week in week out by the so called professionals that mcpake picks ahead of him.
This squad lack fight and desire when it gets tough and you need both of them to stand a chance in a relegation dog fight which we are well and truly in. Our manager and assistant who are both defenders can`t seem to instill the fundamentals to our back line as we continue to ship the softest of goals on a weekly basis.
In a league where we can potentially have Falkirk (if they don`t win the league ) Rovers and Hibs (who seem to be in the same rut as we find ourselves in) next year can we afford to drop out the league. We lost £1m in league one last time round with Falkirk in the league so will end up losing more as we won`t have the big home gates twice a year.
What is the draw to EEP anymore for a punter or a fan? A roasting hot overpriced pint in legends to then waltz into your seat in a half empty run down stadium fairly certain you will witness another lifeless performance and a defeat.
This has to be one of the worst pars teams I have witnessed watching the club. There is no fight that makes you go "look we got beat but we had a go". The problem we have is I don`t think mcpake going sorts the situation. It means another lot of payoffs and bringing in another guy who has the impossible task of making this league 1 at best group look even remotely close to winning a few games in this league.
We need to get out ducks in a row and make us look even remotely investable because if I had a spare few million to invest I probably would look elsewhere to put it.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Sat 9 Nov 18:35
Don’t want anyone to lose their job but McPake needs to do the decent thing and resign. He won’t however.
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Topic Originator: Angus_W
Date: Sat 9 Nov 18:37
So where is the money coming from to sack JMcP & replace him?
Shouting “sack the manager” is the easy bit, in our present predicament I can’t see it happening.
“.........it ain’t over till the Pars score!”
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 9 Nov 18:38
The local directors are the likes of Braisby. Guys who will probably have disposable income to throw at the club but not massively deep pockets.
It`s getting very dangerous now though. McPake HAS to go and the longer it goes on the more expensive it will be. I don`t want to propose a fund to sack a guy as he`s trying his best, but could something like that be set up?
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 9 Nov 18:56
Mcpake ain’t resigning, this might be his last job for a while and almost certainly his last full time managers job at least.
The worry is he’s not long added 4-5 more players and nothing has changed except we have even less money to do anything in Jan to improve the dross we have and pay him off.
The next manager has a poisoned chalice now, plenty players to chose from but only 2-3 good enough to compete in this league.
Not sure what the answer but we know that doing nothing is playoff lottery at best. Who wants to go into the playoffs with a load of players who are more interested in their next club than playing for us when they know they are out the door.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Parsweep
Date: Sat 9 Nov 19:03
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Angus_W, Sat 9 Nov 18:37
So where is the money coming from to sack JMcP & replace him?
Shouting “sack the manager” is the easy bit, in our present predicament I can’t see it happening.
Sack him now and pay the comp , or keep him , very possibly get relegated and suffer massive financial losses?
I`d go for the former .
Bobvo
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Topic Originator: par-91
Date: Sat 9 Nov 19:04
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Jeffery, Sat 9 Nov 17:48
The very positive chap on the TN10Y podcast (posted the other day on here) described McPake as something like, `a very average Championship manager`, if he is average what are any number of other managers?
Yeah, for him to be ‘average’ there would have to be at least 3 managers who could be considered worse. I’m struggling to see who they could be.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 9 Nov 19:22
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jake89, Sat 9 Nov 18:38
The local directors are the likes of Braisby. Guys who will probably have disposable income to throw at the club but not massively deep pockets.
It`s getting very dangerous now though. McPake HAS to go and the longer it goes on the more expensive it will be. I don`t want to propose a fund to sack a guy as he`s trying his best, but could something like that be set up?
Technically, week by week it gets cheaper to sack a manager…….but it wont happen
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Topic Originator: Bamba-Daft
Date: Sat 9 Nov 19:22
People should vote with their feet. Honestly hope the attendance for the Alloa game is in the low hundreds, the board, that absolute clown of a gaffer and our senior players don’t deserve a penny more from the fans.
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Topic Originator: thebear
Date: Sat 9 Nov 19:30
I have always resisted, but subject to finances I agree. We must not get relegated or we struggle for a long time.
It's not longer about having a defence that does not give away goals, it's about having an attack that scores more than they do
Post Edited (Sat 09 Nov 19:32)
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Topic Originator: summeragent
Date: Sat 9 Nov 19:52
I don’t agree we have a bad squad. I don’t even agree that the players are not trying. I think the management team cannot organise the players to get a ‘tune’ out of them.
I would take Ian McCall, or Ian Murray, on a short term contract to see how he does if JMc was to somehow depart.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 9 Nov 19:56
Dave are you sure mcpake isn’t on a years rolling contract?
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 9 Nov 20:08
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Berkey, Sat 9 Nov 19:56
Dave are you sure mcpake isn’t on a years rolling contract?
I think he signed a 3 year deal when we won league 1?? Surely there is severance terms in that contract tho?
COYP
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 9 Nov 20:11
Ah okay, so we have to pay him the rest of this season and the next? Surely there’s a clause in the to reduce the payoff?
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 9 Nov 20:13
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Berkey, Sat 9 Nov 20:11
Ah okay, so we have to pay him the rest of this season and the next? Surely there’s a clause in the to reduce the payoff?
That`s not how it works.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 9 Nov 20:14
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Berkey, Sat 9 Nov 20:11
Ah okay, so we have to pay him the rest of this season and the next? Surely there’s a clause in the to reduce the payoff?
Honestly I don’t know how it works with McPake and his deal but I would have hoped we would have some kind of clause that if he were to be sacked we’d only pay out a maximum of X amount but genuinely I’ve no insight into it
COYP
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Topic Originator: par-91
Date: Sat 9 Nov 20:34
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NMCmassive, Sat 9 Nov 20:14
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Berkey, Sat 9 Nov 20:11
Ah okay, so we have to pay him the rest of this season and the next? Surely there’s a clause in the to reduce the payoff?
Honestly I don’t know how it works with McPake and his deal but I would have hoped we would have some kind of clause that if he were to be sacked we’d only pay out a maximum of X amount but genuinely I’ve no insight into it
I’d assume that’s the case. It is with most managers’ contracts in football anyway. Can’t see any reason we wouldn’t have a clause that details compensation on termination.
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Sat 9 Nov 20:41
Mcpake won’t even hit the Germans target of 44 points this season lol
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Sat 9 Nov 20:45
Ian McColl couldn`t get a tune out of a Stradavarius. He`s not long been sacked by Clyde. Leave well alone.
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Sat 9 Nov 21:27
Doesn`t seem that long ago there was a feelgood factor about the place and a connection between the fans & players i had not seen or felt since the Bert & Dick era.
Not just from winning promotion but something genuinely felt different even from the promotions under Calderwood & McIntyre yer they were at a level/league above.
I still think there will be two teams worse than us this year but the reality and expectation of hoping and settling for 8th in the Championship - and a bang average one at that - is pretty depressing in itself.
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"People always talk about Ronaldinho and magic, but I didn't see him today. I saw Henrik Larsson; that's where the magic was."
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 9 Nov 21:57
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Dave_1885, Sat 9 Nov 19:22
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jake89, Sat 9 Nov 18:38
The local directors are the likes of Braisby. Guys who will probably have disposable income to throw at the club but not massively deep pockets.
It`s getting very dangerous now though. McPake HAS to go and the longer it goes on the more expensive it will be. I don`t want to propose a fund to sack a guy as he`s trying his best, but could something like that be set up?
Technically, week by week it gets cheaper to sack a manager…….but it wont happen
Week by week it gets harder to perform a recovery too.
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Topic Originator: Pars Athletic
Date: Sat 9 Nov 23:53
There will be an agreed compensation package in his contract, normally 6 or 12 months. This protects a club if a manager is wanted by another club as they get compensated. It also means a club doesn`t need to pay a contract up fully if they decide to sack him.
Post Edited (Sat 09 Nov 23:54)
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Topic Originator: Parsfangaz
Date: Sun 10 Nov 00:06
Quote:
da_no_1, Sat 9 Nov 20:13
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Berkey, Sat 9 Nov 20:11
Ah okay, so we have to pay him the rest of this season and the next? Surely there’s a clause in the to reduce the payoff?
That`s not how it works.
so how does it work ?
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Topic Originator: Angus_W
Date: Sun 10 Nov 00:16
No one has answered the question?
Where is the money coming from to replace McPake?
The Germans - Our owners aren’t going to pay it.
So if no one will stump up the money McPake isn’t going anywhere.
“.........it ain’t over till the Pars score!”
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 10 Nov 00:16
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Parsfangaz, Sun 10 Nov 00:06
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da_no_1, Sat 9 Nov 20:13
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Berkey, Sat 9 Nov 20:11
Ah okay, so we have to pay him the rest of this season and the next? Surely there’s a clause in the to reduce the payoff?
That`s not how it works.
so how does it work ?
See the post before yours
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 10 Nov 00:17
Quote:
Parsfangaz, Sun 10 Nov 00:06
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da_no_1, Sat 9 Nov 20:13
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Berkey, Sat 9 Nov 20:11
Ah okay, so we have to pay him the rest of this season and the next? Surely there’s a clause in the to reduce the payoff?
That`s not how it works.
so how does it work ?
If we sack him, he gets paid his full base wage contract. The only thing that may be in the contract is that if he gets another club before the end of the contract terms then he wont see the rest of the money.
If he walks, he gets nothing. Or we could agree a reduced price pay off aka the mutual agreement exit - which most people rightly wouldn’t take.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 10 Nov 00:18
Ach well fck it!!!!
Bring in Stewart Petrie!!!!!
COYP
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Topic Originator: fergie
Date: Sun 10 Nov 01:55
Will keep it simple and just say Callum Davidson
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Sun 10 Nov 11:27
Keep our manager and add a special adviser - `the bunnet` - Sammy the Tammy!
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Sun 10 Nov 11:40
Ref: fergie Sun 10 Nov 01:55
`Will keep it simple and just say Callum Davidson`
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OK we`ll just Call `um "Davidson" - it`d make a change anyway.
Post Edited (Sun 10 Nov 18:22)
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 10 Nov 11:54
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fergie, Sun 10 Nov 01:55
Will keep it simple and just say Callum Davidson
We just going to wait until his contract at QP expires?
COYP
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Topic Originator: neilholland999
Date: Sun 10 Nov 12:12
If McPake does go, I wonder if the board would be tempted to try Wotherspoon and Benedictus as player/managers (akin to McCabe and Fordyce at Airdrie last season)?
I`m not saying I think this would be a good idea, but it would potentially minimise any additional costs.
Post Edited (Sun 10 Nov 13:38)
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 10 Nov 12:52
Neil, I keep saying we should try o’hallaran, might have to give up his Saturday golf though.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: craigypar35
Date: Sun 10 Nov 13:45
Quote:
Berkey, Sun 10 Nov 12:52
Neil, I keep saying we should try o’hallaran, might have to give up his Saturday golf though.
The biggest disappointment of a player in a long,long time. Dread to think what his salary is.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 10 Nov 14:07
Quote:
Berkey, Sun 10 Nov 12:52
Neil, I keep saying we should try o’hallaran, might have to give up his Saturday golf though.
You ever thought of a career in stand up comedy?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 10 Nov 14:35
Quote:
craigypar35, Sun 10 Nov 13:45
Quote:
Berkey, Sun 10 Nov 12:52
Neil, I keep saying we should try o’hallaran, might have to give up his Saturday golf though.
The biggest disappointment of a player in a long,long time. Dread to think what his salary is.
He is up there with dorrans and noel Whelan who played about 20 minutes. Although there are a few in this team who will be lucky to ever play at this level once their time runs out here.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sun 10 Nov 17:35
What`s even the deal with him? Injured?
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Sun 10 Nov 17:36
Quote:
cammypar 1995, Sun 10 Nov 14:35
Quote:
craigypar35, Sun 10 Nov 13:45
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Berkey, Sun 10 Nov 12:52
Neil, I keep saying we should try o’hallaran, might have to give up his Saturday golf though.
The biggest disappointment of a player in a long,long time. Dread to think what his salary is.
He is up there with dorrans and noel Whelan who played about 20 minutes. Although there are a few in this team who will be lucky to ever play at this level once their time runs out here.
Noel Whelan, there’s a blast from the past
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 10 Nov 18:17
Thanks da no 1, I’m here all week!
He played the very recent reserve team game where Sutherland scored a double so he ain’t injured but appears to have been frozen out. Dave sold us a total donkey in helping his mate out there.
Theres not many full time teams below us in the league pyramid and no one has been a standout for us so far this season so quite a few who are out of contract won’t be full time next season and already know it.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: DNCH
Date: Mon 11 Nov 05:18
I`d like James McPake to stay. Bring in an experienced coach to help him and the squad. Maybe rather than sack McPake we can help him become better?
The last time I suggested something level-headed I was accused of being David Cook.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Mon 11 Nov 10:17
Quote:
DNCH, Mon 11 Nov 05:18
I`d like James McPake to stay. Bring in an experienced coach to help him and the squad. Maybe rather than sack McPake we can help him become better?
The last time I suggested something level-headed I was accused of being David Cook.
If you were being level headed you couldn`t be David Cook
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 11 Nov 10:50
Quote:
DNCH, Mon 11 Nov 05:18
I`d like James McPake to stay. Bring in an experienced coach to help him and the squad. Maybe rather than sack McPake we can help him become better?
The last time I suggested something level-headed I was accused of being David Cook.
What a nonsense of a suggestion. Why would we put out more expense to possibly make him better? 🤔
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Mon 11 Nov 12:26
Quote:
Dave_1885, Mon 11 Nov 10:50
Quote:
DNCH, Mon 11 Nov 05:18
I`d like James McPake to stay. Bring in an experienced coach to help him and the squad. Maybe rather than sack McPake we can help him become better?
The last time I suggested something level-headed I was accused of being David Cook.
What a nonsense of a suggestion. Why would we put out more expense to possibly make him better? 🤔
Absolutely agree Dave_1885, different if he was a new manager that the club wanted and he needed an older head as his Assistant to steer him through, but that’s not the case.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 11 Nov 12:31
Quote:
red-star-par, Mon 11 Nov 10:17
Quote:
DNCH, Mon 11 Nov 05:18
I`d like James McPake to stay. Bring in an experienced coach to help him and the squad. Maybe rather than sack McPake we can help him become better?
The last time I suggested something level-headed I was accused of being David Cook.
If you were being level headed you couldn`t be David Cook
That’s how the DavieCookgate was started
COYP
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Wed 13 Nov 08:11
It`s quite common in other forms of business to bring in subject matter experts. You could conceivably bring in a former striker for example to work with the strikers over a period of a couple of weeks to pass on any tips.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Wed 13 Nov 09:28
I would very much doubt the manager would be keen on the club bringing someone in to “help him and make him better”
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
Post Edited (Wed 13 Nov 09:28)
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Topic Originator: DNCH
Date: Thu 14 Nov 02:19
@Dave_1885 - it`s "nonsense" if you consider the manager being replaced as the only going concern. McPake, I`d like to improve. More pressing is the development of possible assets like Otoo, McCann, Todd and others I`m maybe forgetting. I wonder if bringing in an experience coach to supplement the team would bring around improvement quicker than a new manager who would potentially require them to learn a completely new style of play?
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Thu 14 Nov 08:12
Quote:
DNCH, Thu 14 Nov 02:19
@Dave_1885 - it`s "nonsense" if you consider the manager being replaced as the only going concern. McPake, I`d like to improve. More pressing is the development of possible assets like Otoo, McCann, Todd and others I`m maybe forgetting. I wonder if bringing in an experience coach to supplement the team would bring around improvement quicker than a new manager who would potentially require them to learn a completely new style of play?
It`s crying out for Stevie Crawford in a coaching role. It`s only when he was in charge I noticed improvements in some of the players, the likes of Nesbit, Edwards, Turner
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 14 Nov 09:35
Quote:
red-star-par, Thu 14 Nov 08:12
Quote:
DNCH, Thu 14 Nov 02:19
@Dave_1885 - it`s "nonsense" if you consider the manager being replaced as the only going concern. McPake, I`d like to improve. More pressing is the development of possible assets like Otoo, McCann, Todd and others I`m maybe forgetting. I wonder if bringing in an experience coach to supplement the team would bring around improvement quicker than a new manager who would potentially require them to learn a completely new style of play?
It`s crying out for Stevie Crawford in a coaching role. It`s only when he was in charge I noticed improvements in some of the players, the likes of Nesbit, Edwards, Turner
I actually think Stevie Crawford as a coach would be a great shout. His movement as a player is what made him so I’d hope he could impart a bit of that knowledge on to a Sutherland
COYP
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Thu 14 Nov 12:09
Steve Crawford had a successful period when Callum Davidson came to help him, prior to that we were dung!💩
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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar
Date: Thu 14 Nov 12:27
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Thu 14 Nov 12:09
Steve Crawford had a successful period when Callum Davidson came to help him, prior to that we were dung!💩
Stevie was appointed in January 2019
Calum was appointed in February 2019
He then left in the summer of 2019 after we finished 7th...
The club in Stevie next 2 seasons then finished 5th and 4th respectively.....
The dung that you want to refer to was under Allan Johnston......
Post Edited (Thu 14 Nov 12:29)
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Thu 14 Nov 13:07
We were improving under Crawford, I believe he would have got us into the Premiership. The style of play was improving, individual players were improving, we`ve gone backwards ever since the boo boys hounded him out.
I`d get Gordon Forrest in along with Stevie
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Topic Originator: rikaka
Date: Thu 14 Nov 13:10
Hmmm. I am not convinced. The football under Crawford was pretty gash in my memory
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Thu 14 Nov 14:32
I could be wrong but I thought we had an excellent start to the last season of Crawfords time...then about halfway through we were absolutely dross and he was unable to change that.
That season was shortened due to COVID but I think if it had gone on much longer we would likely have finished lower.
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Topic Originator: parathletic
Date: Thu 14 Nov 19:20
It took me 12 and a half hours of watching us under Crawford to see us scoring a goal 😂 I think he won 6 of his last 22 league games in charge too.
If and when did we end our relationship with Jackie McNamara? A lot of the decent players under Crawford came from his company did they not?🤔
Post Edited (Thu 14 Nov 19:32)
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Thu 14 Nov 21:31
Definitely share your memory Parletic, and although I love Crawford the player, there’s no room for sentiment…..and remember, he also failed at East Fife.
As for the link with Jackie McNamara, I’m not sure when that ended, however posts on P&B would suggest that a lot of the current Airdrie squad has come through his agency, maybe it was identified that the quality was not their at the moment to use him??
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Fri 15 Nov 02:43
Quote:
DNCH, Mon 11 Nov 05:18
I`d like James McPake to stay. Bring in an experienced coach to help him and the squad. Maybe rather than sack McPake we can help him become better?
The last time I suggested something level-headed I was accused of being David Cook.
Don`t be daft. Why waste money on a professional coach when he has dotnet on tap for free. Plenty experts on here.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Fri 15 Nov 07:29
Crawford in some kind of recruitment role would be good. Didn`t he bring in the likes of Nisbet and Edwards, two players we`ve actually made money on? Or as a striker coach - I remember Nisbet saying Crawford really helped him in terms of movement and finishing.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Fri 15 Nov 08:07
Quote:
kelty_par, Fri 15 Nov 07:29
Crawford in some kind of recruitment role would be good. Didn`t he bring in the likes of Nisbet and Edwards, two players we`ve actually made money on? Or as a striker coach - I remember Nisbet saying Crawford really helped him in terms of movement and finishing.
He has just set up his own academy so probably will be focusing on that. Although if we can approach him and cardle as advisors. If they have a relatively good player in their academy then we can try and sign them before the Edinburgh or Glasgow teams.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Sat 23 Nov 17:23
Nothing changes….He must be sacked!!!
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Topic Originator: The Boss
Date: Sat 23 Nov 17:24
We are going to leave it too late!
I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 23 Nov 17:39
Best midfielder at centre back again. Three centre backs on the bench. Slow ponderous midfielders up against a midfield with a bit of energy. No threat from set pieces. Everything backwards or square, even when a goal down. Just pointless.
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Sat 23 Nov 17:46
He`s not getting anywhere close to enough out of the players we have, the football his teams play is turgid and the results are just as bad.
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Topic Originator: AveragePar
Date: Sat 23 Nov 17:50
Don’t stress. His interview will say we were unlucky and we go again next week. Same ***** different week
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Topic Originator: Parallel Lines
Date: Sat 23 Nov 17:51
Dunfermline nil.....
I looked for my pet in all the books on animals and birds and then I found it in the Book of Revelations.Marty Feldman
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Topic Originator: Row_ZZ
Date: Sat 23 Nov 17:51
Beyond a joke how he is still here. Despite what is going on in the background, every other club in the league would have done something about this. Even if it means an interim manager for a spell or something to tide us over until the new owners are in. This is just disgraceful what`s been allowed to happen this season. So, so poor, and the worst thing is, you totally expect it from this club. Really sad situation, and we`ve only ourselves to blame.
"A smile might be good!"
"Nothing to smile about in my life"
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Topic Originator: neilholland999
Date: Sat 23 Nov 17:52
I`m not a fan of McPake, but the lack of preparation time due to the travel delays won`t have helped.
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Sat 23 Nov 17:55
11 goals in 15 games
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 23 Nov 18:07
Another shambles of a day in the life of Dunfermline athletic.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: John-Boy
Date: Sat 23 Nov 18:09
Quote:
neilholland999, Sat 23 Nov 17:52
I`m not a fan of McPake, but the lack of preparation time due to the travel delays won`t have helped.
If taking this one game in isolation perhaps.
His body of work for months has been shocking though. We are rotten to watch
Do you think I'm the man?
A) Yes, B) A or C) B
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Sat 23 Nov 18:17
It’s time for fan protests.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 23 Nov 18:34
Quote:
neilholland999, Sat 23 Nov 17:52
I`m not a fan of McPake, but the lack of preparation time due to the travel delays won`t have helped.
C’mon…
COYP
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 23 Nov 18:37
I wonder if he’s regretting cupping his ears towards the fans while we beat Airdrie 1-0…
COYP
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Topic Originator: mars par
Date: Sat 23 Nov 18:41
Dwindling crowds don`t make a difference so a protest won`t have much of an affect either I imagine. A GoFundMe to pay up his contract might, I`d rather pay to that than anymore tickets to watch his "football"
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sat 23 Nov 18:54
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sat 23 Nov 18:37
I wonder if he’s regretting cupping his ears towards the fans while we beat Airdrie 1-0…
Guys an absolute fool for that move. Absolute charlatan
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 23 Nov 19:04
Quote:
Bannockburn Par, Sat 23 Nov 18:17
It’s time for fan protests.
That`ll achieve the square root of nothing but you bash on.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Sat 23 Nov 19:28
Don’t see any manager comment after the game tonight? Anything to read into? Could we be getting a resignation post before long?
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 23 Nov 19:40
Quote:
Ahoy!Ahoy!, Sat 23 Nov 19:28
Don’t see any manager comment after the game tonight? Anything to read into? Could we be getting a resignation post before long?
That would be cheaper than sacking him
COYP
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 23 Nov 20:02
Pep Guardiola might be available soon.
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Topic Originator: airdriepar
Date: Sat 23 Nov 20:33
I read . net posts every day and love the multiple opinions. I never post anything.
I want the manager out now….. right now it doesn’t matter who replaces him i have no doubt they will get a better tune out these players and keep us in the league.
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Sat 23 Nov 20:47
Crawford could spot a player… football under him though was garbage too. Stranraer away springs to mind in the Scottish cup. We weren’t going anywhere under Crawford either
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sat 23 Nov 20:50
if it happens ,wonder if Lee Bullen would throw his name forward
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sat 23 Nov 20:56
Quote:
parsfan97, Sat 23 Nov 20:47
Crawford could spot a player… football under him though was garbage too. Stranraer away springs to mind in the Scottish cup. We weren’t going anywhere under Crawford either
At least he had us moving up the league and competing
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Sat 23 Nov 20:58
His managerial career went strength to strength after leaving us right enough
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Sat 23 Nov 20:58
Quote:
Rigger Al, Sat 23 Nov 20:50
if it happens ,wonder if Lee Bullen would throw his name forward
Although Ayr fans were glad to see the back of him, and he wouldn’t be my first choice, but if he came with a vision and a plan to play on the front foot….i wouldn’t be against it.
Sure he said in his Former Players Association podcast interview that he and his family were living in England, so he might not.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 23 Nov 21:04
He’s been living in England for years. Didn’t stop him taking the Ayr job.
He’s still looking for a football managerial position.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Sat 23 Nov 21:08
Quote:
buffy, Sat 23 Nov 21:04
He’s been living in England for years. Didn’t stop him taking the Ayr job.
Don’t know anything about his private life Buffy and was unaware that he was there whilst managing Ayr. Maybe it wouldn’t stop him then and maybe the job would be of interest.
Only thing I know about him was when I went down to Sheffield with the Supporters Club to visit him at Hillsbourgh and he chatted to us when we did the stadium tour, I’m sure you were there (from memory)
Post Edited (Sat 23 Nov 21:14)
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Sat 23 Nov 21:35
Lee Bullen…WTF..? Ayr who beat us 1-0 today got rid of him and appointed Scott Brown who is doing a decent job..
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Sat 23 Nov 21:40
I genuinely don’t know who the ideal person would be, I just want someone who will take the game to teams and attack and bring back the excitement of the Paton/Calderwood eras.
At the moment, I just know that McPake is not the answer and under his leadership, we’re more likely looking at League 1 rather than Premiership football in the coming years, and it’s as dull as dishwater watching us.
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Sat 23 Nov 21:48
Got shades of the season in SPL when Leishman kept us up.
Were dreadful all season but fortunate there would be two teams who were even worse (Livvy & Dundee).
As awful as it`s been we are still in amongst the pack. Raith will be fine IMO but looks a battle to see who will be the best of a bad bunch between ourselves, Hamilton and Morton.
Depressing reality of aiming for 8th in a distinctly bang average Scottish Championship but here we are :-(
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"People always talk about Ronaldinho and magic, but I didn't see him today. I saw Henrik Larsson; that's where the magic was."
Post Edited (Sat 23 Nov 21:51)
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 23 Nov 21:52
I was, BB. A great weekend it was, too.
Trying to work out who ye are 😂
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sat 23 Nov 22:03
Quote:
Alter Ego, Sat 23 Nov 21:35
Lee Bullen…WTF..? Ayr who beat us 1-0 today got rid of him and appointed Scott Brown who is doing a decent job..
I wasnt saying he should be considered my question was, does anyone think He would apply a number of posters have mentioned previously they had spoken to Lee in the past and he had interest .
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Sat 23 Nov 22:23
Lee Bullen really isn’t the answer. If he was any good he’d be in a job, he has a managerial win rate of 37.5%, hardly fills anyone with confidence.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 23 Nov 23:23
For me Ian Murray is the obvious choice but that’s not to say he would want the job. Im pretty sure he’s pals with McPake 🤔
If you go down the ex players route who are we talking about? Bullen? McCabe? Petrie?
Outside of that, Gary Naysmith and Michael Tidser seem to be doing a decent job at Kelty and Stenny respectively? Kevin Thomson?
Maybe an Alex Neil although I suspect he’d want good money and he’s probably been down south too long 🤷🏻♂️
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Sun 24 Nov 00:05
Can`t believe some are touting Stevie Crawford for the job. Seems just a short time ago that "Crawford Out" was ringing round the forum, just as loud as McFake Out. Doubt if Stevie looks back on Dunfermline with much affection. Wouldn`t blame him for thinking it`s a poisoned chalice.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 24 Nov 07:16
Some of the names getting suggested on this post is madness.Crawford who never managed at a similar level after leaving us and lee bullen? really ?
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sun 24 Nov 10:27
Quote:
cammypar 1995, Sun 24 Nov 07:16
Some of the names getting suggested on this post is madness.Crawford who never managed at a similar level after leaving us and lee bullen? really ?
Again my post wasnt recomending Lee ,my question was simply ,does anyone think he would reply
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 24 Nov 10:52
Quote:
Rigger Al, Sun 24 Nov 10:27
Quote:
cammypar 1995, Sun 24 Nov 07:16
Some of the names getting suggested on this post is madness.Crawford who never managed at a similar level after leaving us and lee bullen? really ?
Again my post wasnt recomending Lee ,my question was simply ,does anyone think he would reply
Don`t think we will be short of options BUT we will never know until mcpake goes and that doesn`t seem to be any time soon.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sun 24 Nov 18:27
For me McPake is done and knows it, however he also knows he`s not getting punted whilst the takeover is in the balance, he hangs on and gets paid for going through the motions and gets his eventual payoff, which sadly I understand.
I loathe him for it though.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Pars11
Date: Sun 24 Nov 18:38
Steve Cooper sacked by Leicester. His record is very similar to James McPake this season. The rot needs to stop before we end up always being adrift even if we do win. That`s what happened under John Hughes.
Bluebell Polka
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 24 Nov 20:59
Theres a new buzz in the air for mcpake. I find it really exciting watching which players will drop out of the team for being murder one week only to be thrown on at half time the next game and be expected to somehow not be murder and on at half time as the players brought in to replace them also happen to be terrible.
How many defensive minded central midfielders do we actually have? And not one is any good!
Of course he’s holding out for a payoff, he needs it as this will likely be his last full time managers job.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Connor560
Date: Mon 25 Nov 18:56
Billy Davies?
C'mon Ye Pars!
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