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 Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Sat 14 Apr 04:53

Glad to see the man get a chance to respond to those allegations and come out against the way he was treated by the police and the media.

It is now quite clear that there are a number of people who have been targeted by police on the basis of false accusations and then declared guilty by the mainstream and social media before having the chance to defend themselves in a Court of Law.

It is only right that they should seek recompense - and hopefully a lot of it - after having their worlds' turned upside down and virtually see all their achievements annulled in recent years.

https://news.sky.com/story/sir-cliff-richard-breaks-down-in-tears-as-he-gives-evidence-during-bbc-trial-11329302
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sat 14 Apr 07:29

Kitty's taking a risk here.

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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: calpar  
Date:   Sat 14 Apr 09:28

Yeah, nice 1 Cyril
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sat 14 Apr 10:39

Will "Nick" and Chris Fay feature in giving testimony ?

That should be a fun cross examination for CR's barristers.
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: WORST  
Date:   Sat 14 Apr 12:52

Regardless of what you think/believe he did or didn't do, the polis could find nothing amiss and he was never prosecuted for any offence.
He has a very good case against the way the BBC apparently conducted themselves.
I never see the BBC reports on this, but from what I can make out they leaning more towards a guilty man being caught than unbiased opinion?



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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Sat 14 Apr 17:56

Lets face it, he was given a Knighthood by the queen....can't imagine it was for his singing....
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sat 14 Apr 22:15

"can't imagine it was for his singing...."

Correct, it was predominantly for charity work.
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: calpar  
Date:   Sun 15 Apr 02:16

look, lets face it, the MET or whoever wouldnt have spent/costed loads unless there were/was something to investigate
You are getting mixed up between completely innocent, or, not enough evidence, for cps, the 3rd possibility attracts derision
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sun 15 Apr 08:37

The Met spent £3 million near enough investigating allegegations made by “Nick” - the result.............he is being prosecuted for perverting the course of justice.

The police are obliged to investigate, that’s their job, the conclusion with CR was no case to answer.

There isn’t one iota of substantive evidence against CR.
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Sun 15 Apr 09:01

Really?
You clearly have not looked.
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sun 15 Apr 09:21

There was allegedly no evidence against Savile...until he died.
Kitty is a beast...it will all come out.

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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Sun 15 Apr 09:49

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Rastapari, Sun 15 Apr 09:21

There was allegedly no evidence against Savile...until he died.
Kitty is a beast...it will all come out.


I'm not so sure it will come out. Too many high level people involved.
If all comes out about him they will need to take another look at Jill Dandos murder. Not going to happen.
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sun 15 Apr 09:52

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sadindiefreak, Sun 15 Apr 09:49

Quote:

Rastapari, Sun 15 Apr 09:21

There was allegedly no evidence against Savile...until he died.
Kitty is a beast...it will all come out.


I'm not so sure it will come out. Too many high level people involved.
If all comes out about him they will need to take another look at Jill Dandos murder. Not going to happen.


True.

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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: allparone  
Date:   Sun 15 Apr 10:24

It's on the Internet. It must true. Lol. Sheeple calling others Sheeple because they believe the msm while they themselves are believing another form of msm. He might be guilty, he may not but let's be honest, nobody on here has a clue.
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sun 15 Apr 10:31

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allparone, Sun 15 Apr 10:24

It's on the Internet. It must true. Lol. Sheeple calling others Sheeple because they believe the msm while they themselves are believing another form of msm. He might be guilty, he may not but let's be honest, nobody on here has a clue.


Eh....you are the only one bringing up "sheeple"
An awkward 2/10.

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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sun 15 Apr 10:52

"Really?
You clearly have not looked."

Where should we be looking then ?

I'm a bit dubious about your sources since you recently suggested that Gary Glitter was tried and convicted by a British Court for offences committed in Vietnam.
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Sun 15 Apr 11:20

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veteraneastender, Sun 15 Apr 10:52

"Really?
You clearly have not looked."

Where should we be looking then ?

I'm a bit dubious about your sources since you recently suggested that Gary Glitter was tried and convicted by a British Court for offences committed in Vietnam.


I just remembered him being placed on the Sex Offenders Register and a foreign travel ban for what he did in Vietnam.
I assumed he must have faced court in the UK for this to be put in place.
It seems the government imposed these without due process.
Sorry for assuming.
I'm sure as a supporter is innocent until proven guilty and the British justice system you will be outraged at the government's actions.
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sun 15 Apr 11:55

That's just lazy SIF. You could google all the information you need as to why Glitter was on the sex offenders register wasn't anything to do with his offences in Vietnam.

Turn on, Tune in, Drop out.
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sun 15 Apr 12:12

"I assumed he must have faced court in the UK for this to be put in place."

Do your assumptions include CR being gulty as well ?
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Sun 15 Apr 12:17

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The One Who Knocks, Sun 15 Apr 11:55

That's just lazy SIF. You could google all the information you need as to why Glitter was on the sex offenders register wasn't anything to do with his offences in Vietnam.


Yes it was.
He was placed on register because of offences committed in Vietnam.
You would think he would have been before because of the stuff found on his computer but he wasn't.
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Sun 15 Apr 12:20

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veteraneastender, Sun 15 Apr 12:12

"I assumed he must have faced court in the UK for this to be put in place."

Do your assumptions include CR being gulty as well ?


Yes I am making certain assumptions but based on evidence. Hanging around with convicted paedophiles sets alarm bells off for me. Can't think why.
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sun 15 Apr 12:38

"He was placed on register because of offences committed in Vietnam.
You would think he would have been before because of the stuff found on his computer but he wasn't."

You sure about that ?

Wasn't he intially placed on the SOR in November 1999 after conviction at Bristol Crown Court, and sentenced to 4 months in prison for child pornogrophy found on a computer ?

Several years before he travelled to Vietnam.
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Sun 15 Apr 12:46

He was ordered in 2008 to sign it on his return from Vietnam.
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sun 15 Apr 13:21

He was originally put on in 1997. Having to re-sign it when returning to the UK again is completely in line with the the due justice process he went through.

Turn on, Tune in, Drop out.
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Sun 15 Apr 13:49

As the old saying goes: Never assume, for it makes an ASS out of U and ME.

This is the central problem with so many of these spurious accusations and conspiracies on the internet; they are based on assumptions...
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: Number57  
Date:   Sun 15 Apr 15:57

Oh how I wish I lived in the world that rasta does.

just for a moment mind you.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: Parplod  
Date:   Sun 15 Apr 18:54

Not even for a moment. What a sad existence.
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Sun 15 Apr 19:25

Play the ball chaps... Not the man










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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey  
Date:   Sun 15 Apr 19:43

"Play the ball chaps... Not the man"

Hope that's aimed at Rasta too ;)
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Sun 15 Apr 19:46

Aimed at everyone.










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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sun 15 Apr 20:08

"Yes I am making certain assumptions but based on evidence. Hanging around with convicted paedophiles sets alarm bells off for me. Can't think why."

Meanwhile, back on track - who are/were these convicted paedophiles ?
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sun 15 Apr 20:20

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Captain Desmond Fancey, Sun 15 Apr 19:43

"Play the ball chaps... Not the man"

Hope that's aimed at Rasta too ;)


Why?
I've been pretty measured...

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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: renegade master  
Date:   Sun 15 Apr 20:30

Chris Packham is going to be the next! Watch this space!
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Sun 15 Apr 20:48

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veteraneastender, Sun 15 Apr 20:08

"Yes I am making certain assumptions but based on evidence. Hanging around with convicted paedophiles sets alarm bells off for me. Can't think why."

Meanwhile, back on track - who are/were these convicted paedophiles ?


Chris Denning was one.
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sun 15 Apr 21:00

The linkage between Denning and CR is what exactly ?
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: Mario  
Date:   Sun 15 Apr 22:04

“Play the ball chaps”...where were you last night when I was getting called a vertically challenged bitter angry non Scottish old git?
I am about average height I’ll have you know...
And about average intelligence, which makes me a positive genius compared to sadfreakie and the other zoomers on here.
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Sun 15 Apr 22:04

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veteraneastender, Sun 15 Apr 21:00

The linkage between Denning and CR is what exactly ?


The Monday Club.
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Sun 15 Apr 22:13

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Mario, Sun 15 Apr 22:04

“Play the ball chaps”...where were you last night when I was getting called a vertically challenged bitter angry non Scottish old git?
I am about average height I’ll have you know...
And about average intelligence, which makes me a positive genius compared to sadfreakie and the other zoomers on here.


Apologies Mario. Admin can't be online 24/7 and I'm sorry you have been targeted this way. If you care to send us an abuse report or an email we can deal with the matter if you so wish.










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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sun 15 Apr 22:22

The Monday Club.

Would that be linked to Chris Fay's "evidence" based on his memory of a list he claimed to have seen 10 years previously ?

The same Chris Fay who was convicted and jailed for attempting to defraud elderly people from their savings in a money laundering operation ?

Not exactly an exemplary witness.
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Sun 15 Apr 22:31

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veteraneastender, Sun 15 Apr 22:22

The Monday Club.

Would that be linked to Chris Fay's "evidence" based on his memory of a list he claimed to have seen 10 years previously ?

The same Chris Fay who was convicted and jailed for attempting to defraud elderly people from their savings in a money laundering operation ?

Not exactly an exemplary witness.


Cyril Smith was also on that list.
Later on it comes out about him so adds some credibility to the list.
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sun 15 Apr 22:50

"Cyril Smith was also on that list."

Therefore it must be true ?

Based on the word of one single witness ?

The Met confirmed that, then later backtracked, so the whole scenario is questionable.



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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Sun 15 Apr 23:03

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veteraneastender, Sun 15 Apr 22:50

"Cyril Smith was also on that list."

Therefore it must be true ?

Based on the word of one single witness ?

The Met confirmed that, then later backtracked, so the whole scenario is questionable.


2 witnesses. Mary Moss as well.
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: WORST  
Date:   Mon 16 Apr 07:25

TBH, if I read a list in names within a house were questionable acts were being carried out, I'd remember names of high profile persons too.
Just because someone has a criminal conviction doesn't automatically make them liars either.



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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: Mario  
Date:   Mon 16 Apr 07:44

Dear Admin,
That wasn’t a complaint! All part of the fun.
Perhaps one of those emoji thingys would have helped but this old git has never ventured into that uncharted territory...
Can you suggest one to convey my intended tongue in cheekness.. a suitable finishing touch?
Kind regards
M
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Mon 16 Apr 07:53

Ah... You're forgetting that admin don't have a sense of humour Mario.
May I suggest this one 😉










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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: Mario  
Date:   Mon 16 Apr 09:13

Ta..never to old to learn!👍



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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Mon 16 Apr 10:55

"2 witnesses. Mary Moss as well."

Difficult to cite Mary Moss as a separate witness - her role was to publish Chris Fay's list online.

Without his permission and to his anger, they fell out over that indiscretion - he stated his regrets and admitted it included innocent people, and initiated a witch hunt.

One of Fay's other "witnesses" was a young man (("Darren" ?) who subsequently admitted he'd been encouraged by Fay to make such claims and went along with allegations "for a laugh" at the time.
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Mon 16 Apr 12:56

This list that Mary Moss had was compiled from interviews between Carole Kasir (owner of the guest house where incidents occurred) and child protection services in 1988.
Mary Moss worked for child protection services.

Carole Kasir mysteriously died of an insulin overdose is 1990.
Her husband who ran the guest house with her was convicted of possession of child porn.

In 1982 a "party" was raided at the guest house was raided and 12 under age boys were there. They told police they had been abused in the house.
This was not pursued by police. Why?

Kitty supposedly the nickname of Richard appears on the Mary Moss list.

You might be quite content to presume innocence and rightly he should be presumed innocent until proven guilty.
I would just like to see those who are guilty brought to justice.
The fact is there were boys being abused at Elm Guest house. Why no convictions?

Could be something to do with these boys committing suicide or mysteriously dying as well.

Something stinks?
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe  
Date:   Mon 16 Apr 13:45

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Mario, Mon 16 Apr 07:44

Dear Admin,
That wasn’t a complaint! All part of the fun.
Perhaps one of those emoji thingys would have helped but this old git has never ventured into that uncharted territory...
Can you suggest one to convey my intended tongue in cheekness.. a suitable finishing touch?
Kind regards
M


It was very obvious your tongue was firmly in cheek Mario :)

If you only turn up to moan then do it elsewhere
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Mon 16 Apr 13:54

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AdamAntsParsStripe, Mon 16 Apr 13:45

Quote:

Mario, Mon 16 Apr 07:44

Dear Admin,
That wasn’t a complaint! All part of the fun.
Perhaps one of those emoji thingys would have helped but this old git has never ventured into that uncharted territory...
Can you suggest one to convey my intended tongue in cheekness.. a suitable finishing touch?
Kind regards
M


It was very obvious your tongue was firmly in cheek Mario :)


Makes a difference from is being wedged up Thomas Docherties rectum.

Before you get me red carded Mario. This is meant as a joke. If you get to call me a zoomer without provocation I feel I deserve to be permitted to poke fun at you this once. Cheers in advance for your understanding.
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Mon 16 Apr 13:56

"This list that Mary Moss had was compiled from interviews between Carole Kasir (owner of the guest house where incidents occurred) and child protection services in 1988.
Mary Moss worked for child protection services."

As did Chris Fay, they were social work colleagues.

Media reports indicate the list was Fay's work, her's was a copy.

"Carole Kasir mysteriously died of an insulin overdose is 1990."

Sadly, she had suicidal tendances according to het GP and left suicide notes at her death - hence the Coroner's verdict.

Arguably one of the most avoidable victims of the whole sorded mess.

"Kitty supposedly the nickname of Richard appears on the Mary Moss list.

You might be quite content to presume innocence and rightly he should be presumed innocent until proven guilty"

Fay subsequently conceded that there was no evidence to connect Cliff Richard to Elm Guest House.

That damning admission begs the obvious question - and only helps the allegedly guilty.

Just a completer dog's dinner of "evidence" in reality.



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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Mon 16 Apr 14:22

Cliff Richard may well have nothing to do with Elm Guest house.
The fact is child abuse happened there and not a single person has been prosecuted.
The events at the guest house were advertised on Conservative Party Literature. So it's safe to say some would attend these parties.
The parties may have been all adults but it is a fact 12 underage boys were at the party which was raided.
At the inquiry into Elm Guest House Mr Andrew O'Conner, counsel for the inquiry, said :

"A number of retired police officers have claimed that they were indeed ‘warned off’ investigating possible cases of child sexual abuse committed by senior politicians in the 1960s, 70s and 80s. Several of these cases are linked to the Elm Guest House affair, which was itself the subject of investigation by the Metropolitan Police in its Operations Fairbank and Fernbridge. The claims that have been made are claims of conspiracy and cover up, and we submit that they go to the heart of the Inquiry’s work in this investigation."

As for the BBC filming the raid on Cliff Richard's home I find this to be totally wrong. Only when some evidence is found should it be made public in the hope of more victims coming forward.

My conclusions from the whole affair is that people with influence at the top were involved in the abuse that occurred.
Was Cliff one of them? I don't know but the question should be asked. Presumption of innocence does not mean you should not be investigated.
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: Mario  
Date:   Mon 16 Apr 14:54

No jury service for you ever hopefully..
And my last colonoscopy was all clear.You could avoid the waiting list by attaching an extra long bendy selfie stick to your extremely small todger and...well you can guess the rest 🤪
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Mon 16 Apr 15:16

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Mario, Mon 16 Apr 14:54

No jury service for you ever hopefully..
And my last colonoscopy was all clear.You could avoid the waiting list by attaching an extra long bendy selfie stick to your extremely small todger and...well you can guess the rest 🤪


I did jury duty once.
Was a ram raid in Perth.
2 guys up for it.
Younger guy clearly innocent and jury were 100% in agreement.
Was not convinced of guilt of the other guy. I felt he too was being stitched up.
Jury was split fairly evenly. Near the end of the day some of those with doubts changed to guilty as "they didn't want to come back again tomorrow"
If I was on jury duty and the evidence against Cliff was presented it certain would be a not guilty. It's not nearly enough as it stands but it does warrant further investigation.

How did you know I have a small tadger?
You been talking to your wife? 😜😜😜😜😜

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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Mon 16 Apr 16:25

There is no evidence against Cliff Richard, never was.

Just dubious allegations.
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Mon 16 Apr 16:42

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veteraneastender, Mon 16 Apr 16:25

There is no evidence against Cliff Richard, never was.

Just dubious allegations.


Enough to get a search warrant. They don't get dished out Willy nilly.
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: onandupthepars  
Date:   Mon 16 Apr 16:48

Ref: sadindiefreak
Mon 16 Apr 16:42

<<Enough to get a search warrant. They don't get dished out Willy nilly. >>

WTF
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Mon 16 Apr 16:52

You're right they don't don't get dished out wily nilly but when you were on jury duty you thought the accused had been stitched up.

Turn on, Tune in, Drop out.
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: Mario  
Date:   Mon 16 Apr 17:01

He’s got a willy complex
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Mon 16 Apr 17:06

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The One Who Knocks, Mon 16 Apr 16:52

You're right they don't don't get dished out wily nilly but when you were on jury duty you thought the accused had been stitched up.


Correct.
Your point is caller?

There was evidence against the guy. All circumstantial.
An eye witness account from an off duty policeman who picked 6 people from photos who it could have been.
The a copper who saw the car pass by in Dunblane picked out him from those 6 photos.
The car had tinted windows and the guy was in the passenger seat.
The young guy who could not drive was supposedly driving. Even though the first policemen said they were the other way round.
Did they stop so the non driver could drive?
The police made a mistake by letting them get away and all they had was the guy picked out from mug shots.

We're they right to investigate him based on this. Absolutely. It was evidence.
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: Mario  
Date:   Mon 16 Apr 17:07

What about Paul Gambaccinni..must have played a few Cliff tracks. Was that why his name was dragged into the Zoomer zone?
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Mon 16 Apr 17:26

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Mario, Mon 16 Apr 17:07

What about Paul Gambaccinni..must have played a few Cliff tracks. Was that why his name was dragged into the Zoomer zone?


I'm not sure of the circumstances of the allegations against him.
Typical of a cretin like you to refer to victims of sexual abuse as zoomers though.
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 Re: Cliff gets his day in Court
Topic Originator: Mario  
Date:   Tue 17 Apr 09:26

Unfounded allegations.I think some so called friends deserted him, lost his income for a while. That’s the damage a decent guy suffered because of “he’s guilty because he looks the type” morons.
One you’ve finished with your current investigation, do check it out.
No doubt your forensic analysis will find something to convince your fellow inhabitants of Planet Zonk of his guilt.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Tue 17 Apr 10:13

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Mario, Tue 17 Apr 09:26

Unfounded allegations.I think some so called friends deserted him, lost his income for a while. That’s the damage a decent guy suffered because of “he’s guilty because he looks the type” morons.
One you’ve finished with your current investigation, do check it out.
No doubt your forensic analysis will find something to convince your fellow inhabitants of Planet Zonk of his guilt.


Your patter is tragic.

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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Tue 17 Apr 12:01

SIF - be careful with your jury delibertions and findings - it's an offence to discuss such even afterwards.
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Topic Originator: Mario  
Date:   Tue 17 Apr 12:09

A criminal in our midst..search warrant?
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Topic Originator: Mario like | nolike
Date: Tue 17 Apr 12:09

A criminal in our midst..search warrant?






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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Tue 17 Apr 13:30

That circumstances of the execution of that search warrant cost South Yorkshire Police £400,000 in damages to Cliff Richard.

Another chapter in SYP featuring in the national media - Hillsborough and Rotherham come to mind for starters.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Tue 17 Apr 13:35

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veteraneastender, Tue 17 Apr 12:01

SIF - be careful with your jury delibertions and findings - it's an offence to discuss such even afterwards.


Advice very much appreciated. I was not aware of this.
Just really annoyed me that a guy got sent to prison because some folk didn't want the inconvenience of coming back another day.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Tue 17 Apr 18:19

"Advice very much appreciated. I was not aware of this."

I was called for jury service twice but (thankfully) was not required either time.

Talking to a pal who had been unlucky in the draw - the Sheriff Clerk cautioned them all not to discuss the case except within the jury room and only with fellow jurors - including after the verdict and when dismissed from service.

"Just really annoyed me that a guy got sent to prison because some folk didn't want the inconvenience of coming back another day"

Very understandable.

I'm not sure what protocols are in place, if any, to cover this scenario.
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Topic Originator: renegade master  
Date:   Thu 16 Aug 18:14

i'm just going to leave this here. I'm sure many will have seen this but for those who haven't it covers a lot of what was said above. This site has not been shut down or been prosecuted!
https://theukdatabase.com/elm-guest-house-child-sexual-abuse/
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Fri 17 Aug 06:39

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renegade master, Thu 16 Aug 18:14

i'm just going to leave this here. I'm sure many will have seen this but for those who haven't it covers a lot of what was said above. This site has not been shut down or been prosecuted!
https://theukdatabase.com/elm-guest-house-child-sexual-abuse/


Not the BBC reporting...you're wasting your time fella.

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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Fri 17 Aug 09:24

Numerous media, other than the BBC, have covered these claims and allegations and questioned their accuracy and veracity.

I doubt theukdatabase have mentioned "inconvenient" aspects to their storyline - for example that Chris Fay is a convicted fraudster who helped con elderly people out of their savings, and that (on record) he said there was no evidence against Cliff Richard.

Then one of his so called reliable whistleblowers admitted he'd been encouraged into making fabricated claims and that he'd done so "for a laugh."

I expect there is no reference in their crusade concerning "Nick" the other star witness in similar allegations who was exposed as an attention seeking fantasist deliberately coached by a "journalist" into telling lies.

Convincing evidence ?

Regurgitating these historical allegations deflects attention from a series of recent and current child abuse cases - where West Yorkshire Police are again in the news.



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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Fri 17 Aug 09:30

Shhh VE. They won't like you pulling back the curtain.

Turn on, Tune in, Drop out.
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Topic Originator: calpar  
Date:   Fri 17 Aug 09:49

Yadda yadda

When did you start believing the Jimi Saville allegations?
When he was dead ?
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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Fri 17 Aug 18:49

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calpar, Fri 17 Aug 09:49

Yadda yadda

When did you start believing the Jimi Saville allegations?
When he was dead ?


So because the Jimmy Savile allegations turned out to be true, we should deduce that any subsequent allegations against well known personalities will also be true?

Hmmm........



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Topic Originator: renegade master  
Date:   Fri 17 Aug 20:45

GG, too much smoke and historic allegations confirming this happened and it seems that only on death the real stories come out

Something unsavoury was certainly going on back in the 70 and 80's and the fact that things like Dunblane were linked and the subsequent findings have been vaulted for 100 years. Jill Dando, Princess Di and the McCanns have all had connections with the historic allegations along with various MP's.

Things will unravel without a doubt the big broom and rug will one day stop working!

Remember Cliff Richards trial only found in favour that the BBC breached his privacy nothing else. West Yorkshire police confirmed that they found no evidence of child abuse.

BBC's whole argument was that by revealing the name of the celebrity would/mat bring out victims was the reason they ran the story. If they didn't believe that was going to be the case would they have hired a helicopter and risked the potential fine and costs they have just been hit with?
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Fri 17 Aug 21:18

So are the BBC part of an establishment cover up or are they trying to expose it then?

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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Fri 17 Aug 23:21

"BBC's whole argument was that by revealing the name of the celebrity would/mat bring out victims was the reason they ran the story"

That doesn't stand up to scrutiny - the allegations against CR had been widely covered by the media (including the BBC) well before the search warrant that South Yorkshire Police had the Met execute.

These earlier reports prompted retired SWP officers who had been on duty at Bramall Lane to come forward and volunteer statements to the effect that would have reputiated the allegations.

SWP chose not to accept the testimony of its own officers who were present on duty that day.

" If they didn't believe that was going to be the case would they have hired a helicopter and risked the potential fine and costs they have just been hit with? "

The BBC couldn't resist the huge scoop that was presented to them by a tip off from an insider at WYP - an opportunity for live helicopter footage of police enetering the home of a major league personality to headline the lunchtime news - with the licence payer footing the bill.

Nothing whatsoever to do with encouraging more alleged victims to come forward, that ship had already sailed.

SWP settled out of court to the tune of £400,000, at least they had more sense than the BBC to contest the issue in court, again at the licence payers expense.

Worth noting the BBC, obviously on legal advice, decided not to appeal - presumably their cavalier attitude with other peoples money has had effect on public opinion.

" West Yorkshire police confirmed that they found no evidence of child abuse."

Needs no further comment.



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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 18 Aug 00:16

Wasting your time VE. Four hundred years ago people would burn young women for being witches. And they did it with a smile on their face because they were sure they were right. We like to think we have progressed but, of course, we haven't.

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Topic Originator: renegade master  
Date:   Sat 18 Aug 00:29

VEE well done for picking up 2/3rds of my post and ignoring the crucial other 1/3rd

With the time taken of the whole shambolic investigation why was any evidence ever going to be found? It was like telling a drug dealer your house is getting raided next month!

The tip off was that CR mansion was getting raided tip off or not it was news and there before SKY! If they had managed to get a case then the BBC had bragging rights!

Ship had sailed on victims........have you ever heard of paying off victims, rich people can legally buy off claimants. Ask Donald or Bill!

In your own statement why say the met instructed SWP to carry out the raid and then leave SWP open to compensation? Met ranks have widely been involved in accusations. Was CR made aware this was going to happen? Of course he was!

It was a staged exercise to try and stop the escalating rumours and many upon many have bought it under the cover of this smokescreen which ultimately proves very little. /that being at the time of the raid (that CR knew about) no evidence of his activities were found!

The whole thing stinks!



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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sat 18 Aug 06:12

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renegade master, Fri 17 Aug 20:45

GG, too much smoke and historic allegations confirming this happened and it seems that only on death the real stories come out

Something unsavoury was certainly going on back in the 70 and 80's and the fact that things like Dunblane were linked and the subsequent findings have been vaulted for 100 years. Jill Dando, Princess Di and the McCanns have all had connections with the historic allegations along with various MP's.

Things will unravel without a doubt the big broom and rug will one day stop working!

Remember Cliff Richards trial only found in favour that the BBC breached his privacy nothing else. West Yorkshire police confirmed that they found no evidence of child abuse.

BBC's whole argument was that by revealing the name of the celebrity would/mat bring out victims was the reason they ran the story. If they didn't believe that was going to be the case would they have hired a helicopter and risked the potential fine and costs they have just been hit with?


Not sure where your argument is going, RM. There may well have been a lot of despicable things going on in the 70s and 80s - and probably in almost every other decade, too - but that does not prove/disprove anything in relation to CR. I've no idea whether he is innocent or guilty of the allegations against him, but some of the logic used to arrive at a guilty decision by some posters on here is quite baffling.



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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sat 18 Aug 06:40

Like Savile...it'll all come out after his death so that he can't sing about the higher up.

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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sat 18 Aug 10:05

"In your own statement why say the met instructed SWP to carry out the raid and then leave SWP open to compensation?"

For the avoidance of any doubt, because you are clearly confused - I said nothing of the sort.

Sunningdale, Berkshire is part of the operational area of the Met.

The allegations against CR that initiated the investigation go back to 1985 in Sheffield which is part of the South Yorkshire Police area.

It was SWP who had the Met execute the search warrant on CR's property, not the other way around.

That is why the SWP, not the Met, settled with CR out of court for £400,000.

That apart, SWP had to be seen to be conducting the investigation into CR by the book - they were (and still are) operating under the shadow of their negligent handling of the Rotherham child abuse cases a few years back.



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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sat 18 Aug 10:09

"Like Savile...it'll all come out after his death so that he can't sing about the higher up."

Stuart Hall, Max Clifford and Rolf Harris are living proof that there's justice before death.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68  
Date:   Sat 18 Aug 10:28

Paul Connolly wrote a book called against All Odds that is an insight to the tragedy surrounding child care establishments and the institutions that cater for the child welfare system. He is open and honest about his own struggles and also infers to the “higher-ups” of the establishment.
I always wondered through these cases who he was referring to.
Will check now to see if he ever wrote a follow up.
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Topic Originator: calpar  
Date:   Sat 18 Aug 11:46

West yorkshire police involved in any investigation already stinks of coverup, look at their track record
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sat 18 Aug 13:06

Don't confuse cover up with negligence and incompetence.

The former applies to Hillsborough, thereafter it's mostly the latter.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sat 18 Aug 14:20

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veteraneastender, Sat 18 Aug 10:09

"Like Savile...it'll all come out after his death so that he can't sing about the higher up."

Stuart Hall, Max Clifford and Rolf Harris are living proof that there's justice before death.


Links to the Elm guest house go far higher up than those examples..into the political and royal realms...those were pretty small fry compared to that place.
I am perfectly happy with my stance on this.

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Topic Originator: renegade master  
Date:   Sat 18 Aug 14:51

Sorry VEE, I either misread your post then or your edit at 23.22 has corrected my mis understanding ;-)
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sat 18 Aug 19:10

Senile dementia is my excuse, what’s yours RM ? :-)
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Topic Originator: calpar  
Date:   Sun 19 Aug 05:10

I dont, it results in same, no convictions
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Topic Originator: renegade master  
Date:   Mon 20 Aug 16:58

VEE possibly Gin :-)
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Mon 20 Aug 20:44

Yes, "Mother's Ruin" is a runner !!!
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Topic Originator: WORST  
Date:   Tue 21 Aug 09:20

Topic Originator: veteraneastender like | nolike
Date: Sat 18 Aug 10:09

"Like Savile...it'll all come out after his death so that he can't sing about the higher up."

<<<Stuart Hall, Max Clifford and Rolf Harris are living proof that there's justice before death.>>>
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Those guys were most likely "cannon fodder", offered up to appease the masses and divert our attention from the untouchable ring of perverts.



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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Tue 21 Aug 18:37

Offered up by whom ?

Name names.
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Topic Originator: WORST  
Date:   Tue 21 Aug 21:19

I may be the village idiot VEE, but I'm not entirely stupid. I won't name anyone on a public forum.
If you don't believe such powerful people exist and fling scraps to the dogs, then that is your right. I on the other hand believe they very much exist, and some could even get caught in the act and walk free, such is their power above the law.
So just post whatever snipe/dig/put down you want to aim at me, and we'll move on.



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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Tue 21 Aug 22:22

Don't think I have read any digs/snipes/put downs by VE on this thread.

Turn on, Tune in, Drop out.
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Topic Originator: WORST  
Date:   Wed 22 Aug 05:58

I just get the feeling I'm being tee'd up for it, TOWK.



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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Wed 22 Aug 09:09

It wasn’t a snipe or put down.

I don’t buy the vague and anonymous it was/is the “establishment” or “people in high places” etc. with no substantive evidence or credible sources.

The latter being consistently conspicuous by their absence.

There have plenty of high profile individuals accused of this, that and the next thing with absolutely no evidence presented or found by investigation by police and media.

Many of the allegations have been exposed as fantasy at best and down right malicious at worst, with opportunist gold diggers somewhere in between

Believe what you want, as is your right - but please put up something of substance.
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Topic Originator: WORST  
Date:   Wed 22 Aug 15:16

Sigh!



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Topic Originator: parsmad68  
Date:   Wed 22 Aug 16:05

The “higher ups” discussion is clearly stated within PaulConnolly’s book and he does name some. There are establishment people in his mind who ARE above the law and during his darker moments he considered taking the law into his hands when justice was not being served. I believe he is a credible witness having been abused as a child.
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Topic Originator: renegade master  
Date:   Wed 22 Aug 16:28

A number of MP's have also on death been found guilty of historic offences but only upon death. This also backs up the whole hush hush climate of the living higher ups.

As soon as it starts to get close to unravelling serious distraction or incidents tend to happen which do enough to close the can of worms!
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Wed 22 Aug 18:12

"A number of MP's have also on death been found guilty of historic offences but only upon death."

Cyril Smith for one, not sure I could name any others.

"The “higher ups” discussion is clearly within PaulConnolly’s book and he does name some."

Therefore those names are now in the public domain for alleged serious misconduct and can be identified without compromising oneself.

Who, for example ?

Didn't Paul Connolly address The House of Lords - which seems and odd venue (from both perspectives) if he were making allegations against "higher up" figures in the establishment.



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Topic Originator: parsmad68  
Date:   Thu 23 Aug 12:20

Will come back to you on the details, as I need to reread the book on the kindle to get the relevant names.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 23 Aug 12:42

What amazes me is that people think Savile was the dark bit...

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Topic Originator: WORST  
Date:   Thu 23 Aug 13:12

Conformists everywhere.



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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Thu 23 Aug 15:01

Now, I know the definition of a non conformist - those that accept the testimony of fantasists, gold diggers, opportunists, attention seekers etc. without credible sources.
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Topic Originator: WORST  
Date:   Thu 23 Aug 15:34

Where as conformists will simply accept what they are told as fact without looking into the facts for themselves.



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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Thu 23 Aug 17:31

parsmad68

"Will come back to you on the details, as I need to reread the book on the kindle to get the relevant names."

Thanks.

Paul Connolly's book sold a respectable 5,000 in print, then it was very successful on Kindle, helped by Amazon punting it an attractive price to download.

It'll be interesting to see who he named, and in what context.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Thu 23 Aug 17:35

"Where as conformists will simply accept what they are told as fact without looking into the facts for themselves."

Speak for yourself.

I have spent a modest amount of time looking at some of these allegations - including "facts" which have since been proven as complete lies.

Would you like some examples ?
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh  
Date:   Thu 23 Aug 17:52

I think that you are a nonconformist if you have an open mind about all cases that haven't yet gone to court.

If you believe there is nothing to see then you are a conformist. If you believe there is a huge conspiracy and suck up all the guff spouted on non-mainstream-media then you are a conformist.

The truth is out there, but it is probably mixed with a whole load of other stuff.
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