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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sat 16 Dec 19:16
The big European clubs still want a European Super League, in spite of the uproar their last attempt caused.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/european-super-league-new-a22sports-31687601.amp
Sooner or later, the big boys will get what the big boys want. This proposal has been modified to take into account the objections to the previous one. It would no longer be a closed shop, many more clubs would be included, and no club would be a permanent fixture.
If it comes to pass, UEFA will lose its authority over European football.
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Topic Originator: Steviethepar2
Date: Sat 16 Dec 19:22
Is always going to happen been rumbling about for years and changes to champions league next year and all the moaning were purely to try and avert it
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 16 Dec 22:09
Could see the Saudis coming in and bank rolling the whole thing on the condition that some games are played over there and eventually a club or two from the Kingdom get included.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sun 17 Dec 00:16
Questions...
1. How many Scottish clubs would be invited? 2, 3, 4???
2. Would we allow their B teams to compete in our domestic leagues?
3. Would the B teams retain premier status in our domestic league or work their way up from the bottom tier?
4. It is noted that there will be promotion and relegation to the ESL. How would that work?
5. If for example, a Dutch side came bottom of the ESL, would the winner of the domestic Dutch league automatically replace them or would this be determined by a separate tournament?
6. Let`s say Hibernian wins that tournament, does the lowest-placed Scottish club, let`s say for fun... The Rangers, who happen to be sitting mid-table in a lower ESL league, get automatically relegated?
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Topic Originator: Luxembourg Par
Date: Thu 21 Dec 17:59
Quote:
GG Riva, Thu 21 Dec 15:07
It`s moved one big step closer after today`s ruling;
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67783970
"For fans: we offer free broadcasting of all Superleague matches. For clubs: Income and solidarity expenses will be guaranteed."
Surely the biggest revenue source is TV rights?
Many/most of the big clubs already sell out their grounds and have sponsors.
What other revenue stream is going to be created to replace the TV money?
Sounds just a little fishy…
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Thu 21 Dec 18:06
Quote:
Luxembourg Par, Thu 21 Dec 17:59
Quote:
GG Riva, Thu 21 Dec 15:07
It`s moved one big step closer after today`s ruling;
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67783970
"For fans: we offer free broadcasting of all Superleague matches. For clubs: Income and solidarity expenses will be guaranteed."
Surely the biggest revenue source is TV rights?
Many/most of the big clubs already sell out their grounds and have sponsors.
What other revenue stream is going to be created to replace the TV money?
Sounds just a little fishy…
Advertising.......if they streaming site gets 1bn visitors weekly then they`ll get top dollar for the Advertising slots
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 21 Dec 18:27
Fans will just repeat their anger at the first outing - can’t see why any fancy rebrand would make a difference. The clubs which backtracked after the backlash by their fans would be mad to do it all again.
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Topic Originator: Stanza
Date: Thu 21 Dec 18:34
The biggest clubs are prepared to throw a bone to the not-quite-as-big clubs by suggesting that they can take part in the Super League when it first starts.
But what if, a few years down the line, the biggest clubs decide that they want to break away yet again and form the Super-Duper Elite League, without having to bother about the Celtics, Villareals and Lyons of this world? Currently the power of UEFA/FIFA to sanction them limits their actions, but once that is removed there`s nothing to stop the biggest clubs doing whatever they want to - including moving the most attractive matches to Saudi Arabia or Qatar or USA, whoever pays most.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Thu 21 Dec 18:57
Did any of these clubs lose fans or revenue from the first foray into the ESL. If the answer is no then go again.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Thu 21 Dec 19:11
It’ll start of as a watered down version of the previous intended Super League and present itself as an alternative Champions League to try get fans onboard.
They won’t change this format for many seasons so fans get used to it and finally accept it “as progress”
Having got used to it, the domestic leagues will be massively devalued paving the way for the ultimate goal.
Last time they greatly underestimated fan power. This time they will be much more patient.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 21 Dec 19:43
Is the new Club World Championships not effectively this anyway? 🙄 just that some of the “elite” will miss out!
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Thu 21 Dec 21:06
Quote:
weemike, Thu 21 Dec 18:06
Quote:
Luxembourg Par, Thu 21 Dec 17:59
Quote:
GG Riva, Thu 21 Dec 15:07
It`s moved one big step closer after today`s ruling;
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67783970
"For fans: we offer free broadcasting of all Superleague matches. For clubs: Income and solidarity expenses will be guaranteed."
Surely the biggest revenue source is TV rights?
Many/most of the big clubs already sell out their grounds and have sponsors.
What other revenue stream is going to be created to replace the TV money?
Sounds just a little fishy…
Advertising.......if they streaming site gets 1bn visitors weekly then they`ll get top dollar for the Advertising slots
Surely they already get top dollar as well as huge subscriptions. I`m struggling to see how being without the latter can achieve a better paying model.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Thu 21 Dec 21:29
Quote:
JTH123, Thu 21 Dec 21:06
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weemike, Thu 21 Dec 18:06
Quote:
Luxembourg Par, Thu 21 Dec 17:59
Quote:
GG Riva, Thu 21 Dec 15:07
It`s moved one big step closer after today`s ruling;
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67783970
"For fans: we offer free broadcasting of all Superleague matches. For clubs: Income and solidarity expenses will be guaranteed."
Surely the biggest revenue source is TV rights?
Many/most of the big clubs already sell out their grounds and have sponsors.
What other revenue stream is going to be created to replace the TV money?
Sounds just a little fishy…
Advertising.......if they streaming site gets 1bn visitors weekly then they`ll get top dollar for the Advertising slots
Surely they already get top dollar as well as huge subscriptions. I`m struggling to see how being without the latter can achieve a better paying model.
The new games are free to air via a streaming site...owned by the new leagues,
They will make money via advertising on this new platform. They will generate hundreds of millions of visitors a week easily
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Thu 21 Dec 21:36
This new model is to compete with the champions league/Europa league. Not the domestic leagues.
Man utd will still be in the EPL and the new star league.....they won`t be in the champions league.
So this new model just has to provide more funds/better competition than the current European model for the clubs to go for it.
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Topic Originator: DunPar
Date: Fri 22 Dec 03:37
The ruling might open the way for other cross-border leagues. I still think a North Atlantic league would be a great platform, not only for the old firm, but for Hibs and Hearts, Aberdeen and even the likes of ourselves(!). Our league is pretty shocking - Adams is right. A cross-border league with teams from Scotland, Holland, Belgium, Denmark, Sweden, Norway………might be great for an Irish effort too ? The TV income would be so much more than the pathetic amount on offer for Scottish football. A combined population of 70million + the combined diaspora of our folks across the globe…….
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Fri 22 Dec 06:09
Most of the clubs which had their fingers burnt when the ESL was first proposed have been quick to distance themselves from it this time, but if other clubs are seen to be jumping on the new, expanded bandwagon, which would not be a closed shop and would include promotion and relegation, they won`t want to be left behind.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67797350
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Fri 22 Dec 10:17
That’s a good take on it dunpar… I’ve heard a few people say that now and like the train of thought
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Fri 22 Dec 10:48
I find the growth in this area interesting from a business perspective.
In my professional life I am building many pieces of electronic hardware and many of the corporate customers are now asking about where our materials come from, what is our carbon footprint, what recycle methods, etc. to the point that now you lose orders on environmental policies.
Yet, we can fly thousands of supporters around the world in increasing frequency and there is no environmental questioning of this potential increase in human travel.
I think it is only a matter of time before governments are looking at this to establish if this is something they will most likely tax in some way. This is actually my expectation now that governments will start to pay attention close attention to lifestyle changes.
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Topic Originator: Stanza
Date: Fri 22 Dec 10:52
I`m (just) old enough to remember that when the European Cup was first mooted in the 1950s there was a lot of opposition to it from the English League in particular, with the champions (Chelsea) not being allowed to take part. Hibernian did, even though they only finished 5th in Scotland, as their chairman (was it Tom Hart?) was a big believer in the concept.
What I didn`t know was that for many decades before that there had been several European club competitions such as the Latin Cup, Mitropa Cup etc. It was really the advent of floodlights and the availability of air travel that made a midweek football competition viable. This article gives a history of these forgotten competitions.
http://www.europeancuphistory.com/origins.html
So I suspect this Super League (or some version of it) will eventually come to pass - especially if the Saudis get involved somewhere down the line. It might mean that clubs of Dunfermline`s size will eventually go the same way as once-famous Junior clubs are today, playing before old men and a dog - fortunately I won`t be around to witness it.
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Topic Originator: ghostrider
Date: Fri 22 Dec 11:25
I might be reading too much into this but I see these leagues as a direct competition to CL / Europa League etc comps and not the actual Association leagues.
So instead of playing CL - where they have 6 (group stage matches) followed by knock-out comps, they would instead play in these leagues as well as there own domestic leagues (although no actual incentive of getting into European comps by winning them). Again the more successful (bigger teams) being in League 1 thus getting richer as they would be playing more games
Is there really any difference with this idea when you look at the CL - 32 teams in the group stages but 75% of those places are given to teams in top 10 leagues (50% to the top 4 leagues), guaranteed and the possibility of more if these leagues also provide the CL winners and Europa league winners if they haven`t already qualified, as well as lower placed teams in the qualifying section.
So in essence an already closed shop based on the rich leagues. I don`t recall any major outcry from the pundits or the the leagues FA`s when the European cup was changed to this format.
UEFA / FIFA are coming out with statements about sporting integrity - a lot of BS. Its always, and always will be, about how much money the big boys can earn
Post Edited (Fri 22 Dec 11:30)
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Fri 22 Dec 12:08
Quote:
ghostrider, Fri 22 Dec 11:25
I might be reading too much into this but I see these leagues as a direct competition to CL / Europa League etc comps and not the actual Association leagues.
So instead of playing CL - where they have 6 (group stage matches) followed by knock-out comps, they would instead play in these leagues as well as there own domestic leagues (although no actual incentive of getting into European comps by winning them). Again the more successful (bigger teams) being in League 1 thus getting richer as they would be playing more games
Is there really any difference with this idea when you look at the CL - 32 teams in the group stages but 75% of those places are given to teams in top 10 leagues (50% to the top 4 leagues), guaranteed and the possibility of more if these leagues also provide the CL winners and Europa league winners if they haven`t already qualified, as well as lower placed teams in the qualifying section.
So in essence an already closed shop based on the rich leagues. I don`t recall any major outcry from the pundits or the the leagues FA`s when the European cup was changed to this format.
UEFA / FIFA are coming out with statements about sporting integrity - a lot of BS. Its always, and always will be, about how much money the big boys can earn
That`s exactly what it is,
They want the EPL model and money and hope to get it by rivalling the champions league.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Fri 22 Dec 13:54
Having seen the money that has been spent on attracting players to the Middle East, you can only see this heading one way.
American teams being added soon?
Obviously won't be a European Super League!
Post Edited (Fri 22 Dec 13:55)
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 22 Dec 17:45
If Australia can get into Eurovision anything is possible!
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Fri 22 Dec 19:11
"So in essence an already closed shop based on the rich leagues. I don`t recall any major outcry from the pundits or the the leagues FA`s when the European cup was changed to this format."
Leicester? Atalanta? Union Berlin? Copenhagen? Shaktar? Likely Girona this season? The Champions League is many things, and it isn`t a pure meritocracy, but it`s a hell of a lot better than this nonsense. Plenty of smaller teams have qualified from both bigger and smaller keavies and some have even done quite well. None of the named clubs would be in the top division of the ESL if it started in the seasons they qualified. No big names coming to the Gewiss or King Power or Parken. A 20/32 chance they`d be out the other end again and only a 2/32 chance they get into the middle division.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 3 Feb 09:11
Without the likes of Man Utd , Liverpool and Arsenal then no super league can exist and they will be against it for the foreseeable.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: DunPar
Date: Sat 3 Feb 09:17
I think it’d be good for Rangers and Celtic to feck off to its third tier …….if they generate more money and get promoted then good luck to them…….i think English clubs might join eventually…….
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sat 3 Feb 12:33
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sat 3 Feb 09:11
Without the likes of Man Utd , Liverpool and Arsenal then no super league can exist and they will be against it for the foreseeable.
Surely if you`re going to list the top English clubs, you have to go with City, Liverpool and Arsenal, TOWK? 🤔
I mean United are not even in contention for the Conference League next season. 😔
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 3 Feb 13:53
Quote:
GG Riva, Sat 3 Feb 12:33
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sat 3 Feb 09:11
Without the likes of Man Utd , Liverpool and Arsenal then no super league can exist and they will be against it for the foreseeable.
Surely if you`re going to list the top English clubs, you have to go with City, Liverpool and Arsenal, TOWK? 🤔
I mean United are not even in contention for the Conference League next season. 😔
City will be playing in the National League next year GG
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 4 Feb 13:54
Quote:
Dave_1885, Sat 3 Feb 13:53
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GG Riva, Sat 3 Feb 12:33
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The One Who Knocks, Sat 3 Feb 09:11
Without the likes of Man Utd , Liverpool and Arsenal then no super league can exist and they will be against it for the foreseeable.
Surely if you`re going to list the top English clubs, you have to go with City, Liverpool and Arsenal, TOWK? 🤔
I mean United are not even in contention for the Conference League next season. 😔
City will be playing in the National League next year GG
There`s a saying in Italy, Dave; "The rich never end up in jail."
I`m sure you`ll catch my drift...... 🙄
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