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Topic Originator: coventrypar
Date: Tue 10 Dec 18:14
I’m interested in peoples thoughts. With the 3 phase 5 subs availability is James McPake getting the starting 11 wrong or perhaps simply analysing the first half in real time and changing it up?
It might not be as many suggest that he gets his opening 11 wrong but plays the game with 16 in mind. eg Start with 1 upfront with 1 behind and see that 2 behind would be better when the game unfolds.
For evidence … We see with ngwenya and Otoo in the team the opposition manager may think Otoo will be in midfield and then see differently.
I’ve long thought ( and 5 subs makes it easier) that a manager could put a player on for 45 mins and ask him to outwork, out run, out stretch the opposition to be replaced at half time with genuine fresh legs. Not that for a second do I think that’s happening.
Thoughts on the original question folks?
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Tue 10 Dec 21:46
Interesting questions.
I think it is certainly a 16 (or whatever) player game nowadays, and managers/coaches need to get their heads around how to optimise the resources at their disposal.
That includes making tactical and personnel changes as the game develops.
The effect of "impact" substitutes has also changed.
There have been a few "super-subs" over the years - David Fairclough being a prime example in the olden days. But with more options the days of the mechanical "one after an hour, one with 10 minutes to go, then maybe a third right at the death" are gone. Instead, it is possible that we will see (as in other sports) players specialise in playing the first 60 or the last 30 or whatever. (We`ve already seen specialist penalty stoppers come on for a shoot-out).
Another development to keep an eye on is the use of "concussion" subs. There is scope for some chicanery here.
Again repeating myself, but looking good for the last 20 minutes against a tiring side sitting back is a different proposition from playing from the start against a fresh team.
To what extent a manager sets their team up to neutralise their opponents` strengths or rather to maximise their own is another key choice. It might be of more importance in a middle division such as the championship where there shouldn`t be much between the teams.
I noted that the warm-up exercises on Saturday suggested we were starting with a back five, but we didn`t. I`m not sure if this was a ruse.
I think McPake`s plan is often to keep the game tight then decide whether to step it up or see the game out as circumstances dictate, and this is usually achieved by changing the players, rather than their positions. I haven`t given it much thought, but it certainly hadn`t previously occurred to me that McPake had got his starting eleven wrong very often (you don`t know how fit players are, for example). I think the issues are more to do with formation and game-plan.
I remember looking briefly at substitution stats during AJ`s tenure. He had the view (although the rules were different back then) that subs took too long to get up to speed so used them sparingly, in contrast to someone like Mourinho I think, who tended to make them early and with some success. While I admired AJ`s independence of thought, his views did seem to fly in the face of evidence.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 10 Dec 22:11
All excellent points, MCT. Although McPake has sometimes said he got his starting XI wrong I don`t think that means every time he makes a few subs is an admission of error. Cooper and Mebude worked out nicely on Saturday but most managers acknowledge that there`s an element of luck involved in making subs.
I remember AJ was very slow to make subs. I think he was of the opinion that they were just as likely to spoil the rhythm of the team as to improve things. Maybe today`s players and their preparation are more tuned in to the role of the sub and therefore more effective.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Tue 10 Dec 23:49
Two ways to look at it.
For some time we played our strongest starting 11 with nothing on the bench that you could seriously say was going to change the game.
Now we do have that option as we saw on Saturday, it made a real difference in the dynamics of the match and arguably won us the points.
On the flip side, this is a dangerous tactic to have your aces on the bench if we go a couple of goals down and it’s too late to change the scoreline.
Unfortunately this is the case for so many of our games this season.
McPake is way way too cautious when I think we are just better picking a fight with the opposition toe to toe and just go out there from the first minute and get an early lead.
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Topic Originator: Bucuresti Par
Date: Wed 11 Dec 16:14
In the last few weeks, most games McPake seems to have subbed one of his central midfielders at half time. I don`t think that reflects well on his tactical approach, he doesn`t seem to know what is his best combination is in such a key area and keeps having to change it. Hard for players in any area of the pitch to build up much understanding when it is constant change.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Wed 11 Dec 16:24
Don’t think mcpake knows his best 11 and given the differing performance levels of those he puts in he feels he has to change it. Theres a few position where some players if fit will always be starting regardless of form etc.
It feels like there’s a surprise omission from the first 11 every week who then comes on as sub, does well and starts the next game where he is poor and gets subbed then is dropped then comes on as sub and does well and rinse and repeat.
There is not a single player bar the keeper and Kane who has consistently looked like a championship player when they have played this season.
Theres also definitely something in mcpake trying to nullify the first half and then he looks to try and be a bit more adventurous in the second (unless we’re already losing)
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