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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Sat 25 Jan 18:15
Isn`t that how we got a result at Firhill? Press, and get out the blocks fast. I don`t like reading that Tidser wants us to play possession fitba. What`s the use o` that? Let Tobi get it up the park!
Come on Pars, we`re not quite dead men walking yet! This result at Airdrie is shocking - humiliating but - GIRD YER LOINS! LOIN YIR GIRDS! Get stuck in noo and for the rest o` the season.
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Topic Originator: 1985Par
Date: Sat 25 Jan 18:32
I’ll stick my neck out and say that if Tidser thinks he’s going to pass his way up the table, at least with this squad, he is utterly deluded.
This obsession with possession is a nonsense unless you have players who can carve out chances in the final third which we so obviously don’t.
I think Bournemouth have one of the lowest possession stats in the EPL and they are flying. I’m literally praying that Tidser’s not going to have us plodding forward with pretty passing only to lose it when we’re trying to pick our way through 10 opposition players camped in their own half.
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Topic Originator: Gaz3822
Date: Sat 25 Jan 18:40
See these managers who want to play a certain way but don`t have the right players to do it.... They really do my nut in.
Amorim at Utd is the same. Not yet got the right personnel but still perseveres.
I hope Tidser isn`t that man.
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Sat 25 Jan 18:42
might as well sack him tonight then cause from what he and McDonald have said in the past, they wont change.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 25 Jan 18:49
Guess it depends on how many players he can get in next week who can play the way he wants!
Trying to give the benefit of the doubt, maybe he’s tried possession today as he hasn’t got any decent players to attack teams? That’s certainly born out by results.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Sat 25 Jan 18:54
Possession fitba is death tae us. Hope tae crivens that MT has the sense tae abandon his ideals and play ugly if it gets quick improvement in results. Actually I used tae like the way Wimbledon (crazy gang period) played. Didn`t they get criticism for "hoof ball" - but they got results. Ireland teams (N & ROI) had great success with counter-attacking also? We know it can work. Mix it up Pars! Play as a team, ignore the manager if necessary! ( I ken it`s early days but by God did we really think it`d have tae get this bad afore it gets better?)
It`s jist ma pain talkin`...
Post Edited (Sat 25 Jan 19:06)
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Topic Originator: pacifist
Date: Sat 25 Jan 18:58
We have had some reasonable results and much better fitba over the last 3 or 4 games. He watched some of them. That was working. Changing stuff into that mess today makes no sense.
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Sat 25 Jan 19:27
As well as playing more direct, how can we get more fire in oor players` bellies?
Get the wives and girlfriends tae go on strike!
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Topic Originator: pacifist
Date: Sat 25 Jan 19:30
We had that under the caretaker manager. He seemed to know exactly what he was doing and the players responded.
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Topic Originator: 60yearapar
Date: Sat 25 Jan 19:44
Just watched Man City struggle playing out from the back against Chelsea, a couple of long balls up to Haaland and boom 3-1. If it works for Pep, it must be worth a go surely.
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Sat 25 Jan 19:45
I`ve got the doom an` gloom lurgy efter that today. The level of humiliation feels about equal to losing 5-0 at hame tae Accies.
The spectre of gettin` ICT in the relegation play-off gives me the richt fear. (If not for the points deduction they would have been second in their league now, equal on points with Arbroath on top.)
Is there a bright side?
Post Edited (Sat 25 Jan 19:54)
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Sat 25 Jan 20:27
Of course there is a bright side! Several!
14 games tae go.
We`re in the league we want to be in right now.
Our position is only dire!
I believe in the tooth fairy!
Post Edited (Sat 25 Jan 20:46)
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Topic Originator: mars par
Date: Sat 25 Jan 20:46
The tide is turning on possession football (finally, because it`s utterly tedious to watch. Especially at this level)
Pep himself, who is largely acknowledged to have introduced this style, has said as much recently
It does nothing for us. It allows the opposition to get into a compact defensive shape and we don`t have the skill or know-how to break through that defensive set up
It clearly wasn`t working when McPake tried it with this squad so it`s concerning that we look to have hired a manager who wants to play the same way. Especially when results under McLaughlin suggested we are capable of far better with a more direct approach
I hope he isn`t going to dig his heels in with this or it`s hard to see how we do much better than turgid football and potentially relegation
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Topic Originator: d3monstrate
Date: Sat 25 Jan 21:44
I started to feel iffy when speaking on Sportscene last week, Peter Grant said Tidser played the proper way... I hoped that he wouldn`t be so single minded,, only time will tell...
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Sat 25 Jan 21:46
After the match with Falkirk I thought some o` oor players, particularly Bene, looked shattered. So although we could say all they need to do is give as much in each game, it`s maybe a bit like asking a good horse to run Grand Nationals repeatedly. Our players have shown they can clear high fences, but it`s beyond them to give that much of themselves regularly? Maybe they`re a bit mentally drained after the exertions of promotion followed by the chopping and changing they`ve been through. To plummet from the rewarding successes when we won league 1, to the unrewarding lack of success last season and this, probably has psychological effects.
Post Edited (Sat 25 Jan 22:34)
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Topic Originator: Parsfangaz
Date: Sun 26 Jan 00:00
Quote:
GJS93, Sat 25 Jan 18:42
might as well sack him tonight then cause from what he and McDonald have said in the past, they wont change.
where did they say that ?
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Topic Originator: Bertie Paton
Date: Sun 26 Jan 00:22
``After the match with Falkirk I thought some o` oor players, particularly Bene, looked shattered. So although we could say all they need to do is give as much in each game, it`s maybe a bit like asking a good horse to run Grand Nationals repeatedly. Our players have shown they can clear high fences, but it`s beyond them to give that much of themselves regularly? Maybe they`re a bit mentally drained after the exertions of promotion followed by the chopping and changing they`ve been through. To plummet from the rewarding successes when we won league 1, to the unrewarding lack of success last season and this, probably has psychological effects.``
What the heck are you rambling on about?
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Sun 26 Jan 00:34
Tidser said post match today he won’t be changing his beliefs. If he can’t see his style doesn’t suit what he’s got right now then I’d say we are nailed on for relegation. Set the team up like McLaughlin did and play to their strengths
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Sun 26 Jan 01:29
Ref: Bertie Paton, Sun 26 Jan 00:22
Ah, "Bertie Paton". I knew somebody would bite.
I`m in a generous mood, so I`ll just say that, as one Pars fan tae anither, ye might excuse ma haverin - efter a`, it could happen tae onybody who`s had a lifetime o` supportin` the Pars.
Post Edited (Sun 26 Jan 01:32)
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Sun 26 Jan 01:54
I honestly really dislike possession football and slow build up play. I find it boring to watch. I’d stomach it if it was getting results but I prefer a much more direct style of play.
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Topic Originator: Big G Ball
Date: Sun 26 Jan 07:22
I dislike getting beat and football is a results industry where managers must adapt and play a formation, side and style to win. Maybe managing his entire career as a boss against teams who are no better then juniors in the majority of cases has created a mindset where he hasn`t had to change as teams could be best described as rotten, but for sure that won`t work with us so he will have no option next week but to change
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Sun 26 Jan 09:49
press interviews before and after Kelty games parsfangaz, folk might go but that was Kelty, well Tidser`s post match video rules that one out for now.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 26 Jan 11:20
How can we play on the counter? We don’t have any midfielders who can run with the ball and KRH aside there’s no pace in the team. There’s no quality to pick out that key pass either.
We don’t have enough of anything to get any formations to work. We’re mostly relying on the opposition having an off day to pick up wins.
Tidser needs to to find ways to get something in the middle of the park and fast.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: bigdonnie
Date: Sun 26 Jan 11:53
when john comes back from holiday we need to get hiom to team up with tidser to help him get better results
donald mcneil
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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1
Date: Sun 26 Jan 12:16
The reason Tidser was picked as manager was his style of football. It would be ridiculous to change this just because we had a poor performance
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Topic Originator: Murphy
Date: Sun 26 Jan 12:42
But we have just went through months of McPake attempting this style of football with this squad of players. Why would you expect a different result just because the name on the manager’s door has changed.
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Sun 26 Jan 13:20
As much as I`m willing to give the new manager time, I really don`t like his attitude about playing the same way all the time. We don`t have the players for it and every good manager should be willing to change playing styles snd formation depending on the opponent or how the game is going.
You need to be able to mix things up.
That interview did not fill me with confidence.
Pars fan.
Magpies fan.
Mens tennis fan.
Alternative rock fan.
Not a fan of much else.
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Sun 26 Jan 13:28
This>>
Ref: Murphy Sun 26 Jan 12:42
`But we have just went through months of McPake attempting this style of football with this squad of players. Why would you expect a different result just because the name on the manager’s door has changed.`
Exactly. But we`ve got MT now. Feels like more of "grin and bear it."
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Topic Originator: KnebworthPar
Date: Sun 26 Jan 13:32
But they’re not the same styles. Yes both about playing out from the back however McPake much more possession based, move the ball about, move opposition out of position. Tidser much more dynamic, higher tempo, look to hurt the opposition by speed and catching them out of position.
Whether we have the players for either style a different discussion but there are distinct style differences.
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Sun 26 Jan 13:36
Ref: kozmasrightfoot, Sun 26 Jan 13:20
`....That interview did not fill me with confidence.`
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I`d rather he said, "Well that`s a right f*** up. There`s gonna be changes, it`s results we need. We saw the improvement against Falkirk and Partick, we`re gonna focus on what we`ve done well. I`m the manager of DAFC now, whatever I did before is irrelevant. We`ve got to make it work and fast."
Post Edited (Sun 26 Jan 13:39)
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Topic Originator: Bertie Paton
Date: Sun 26 Jan 13:38
Pars make life difficult by coming up with these pigeon hole ideologies. They are just trying to over complicate things.
Why do we have to be a youth developing club and have an age profile for our players?
Why do we have to play a certain type of football regardless of our opponent?
Can we not play a style of football that suits each opponent we play and be a bit more flexible. Can we not sign a wide range of players, that are the best for a certain position we`re looking to fill. Regardless of their age. Why are we making life difficult for ourselves having to stick to defined structures all the time.
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Sun 26 Jan 14:10
Well said Bertie Paton.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 26 Jan 14:24
Quote:
Bertie Paton, Sun 26 Jan 13:38
Pars make life difficult by coming up with these pigeon hole ideologies. They are just trying to over complicate things.
Why do we have to be a youth developing club and have an age profile for our players?
Why do we have to play a certain type of football regardless of our opponent?
Can we not play a style of football that suits each opponent we play and be a bit more flexible. Can we not sign a wide range of players, that are the best for a certain position we`re looking to fill. Regardless of their age. Why are we making life difficult for ourselves having to stick to defined structures all the time.
You’re basically asking the players to be perfect at everything if we change the way we play every week.
The management team will decide on a strategy that they want to implement and then they’ll decide tactically how to implement the strategy.
Tactics can change week to week depending on who you’re playing, what players are available etc etc but generally your strategy won’t change or will evolve slowly throughout time.
In terms of why a small club in Scotland needs to develop youth players… that’s pretty obvious isn’t it?
COYP
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Topic Originator: Bertie Paton
Date: Sun 26 Jan 15:03
``You’re basically asking the players to be perfect at everything if we change the way we play every week.``
Where did I say they need to perfect? They need to be more flexible yes.
``The management team will decide on a strategy that they want to implement and then they’ll decide tactically how to implement the strategy.``
So we stick rigidly to playing one way. It`s easy to change your strategy if something is not working. John McLaughlin did a good job at it.
``In terms of why a small club in Scotland needs to develop youth players… that’s pretty obvious isn’t it? ``
No- Smaller clubs than us are doing much better in this league without prioritising youth. Youth development is expensive and we are hardly selling our youth for large sums of money. We have produced youth players that are barely good enough for the Scottish Championship. It`s sound good in some peoples head but in reality it doesn`t really work for most clubs. So no. Not obvious.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 26 Jan 17:58
Quote:
Bertie Paton, Sun 26 Jan 15:03
``You’re basically asking the players to be perfect at everything if we change the way we play every week.``
Where did I say they need to perfect? They need to be more flexible yes.
``The management team will decide on a strategy that they want to implement and then they’ll decide tactically how to implement the strategy.``
So we stick rigidly to playing one way. It`s easy to change your strategy if something is not working. John McLaughlin did a good job at it.
``In terms of why a small club in Scotland needs to develop youth players… that’s pretty obvious isn’t it? ``
No- Smaller clubs than us are doing much better in this league without prioritising youth. Youth development is expensive and we are hardly selling our youth for large sums of money. We have produced youth players that are barely good enough for the Scottish Championship. It`s sound good in some peoples head but in reality it doesn`t really work for most clubs. So no. Not obvious.
Are you honestly saying the club should get rid of its youth set up?
COYP
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Topic Originator: Bertie Paton
Date: Sun 26 Jan 19:58
``Are you honestly saying the club should get rid of its youth set up?``
I wouldn`t prioritise it. I would spend our budget first on first team players that can make us better. Not who fits a certain age profile. Just like , Falkirk, Livi, Partick, Ayr etc who are doing much better than us.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 26 Jan 20:47
Quote:
Bertie Paton, Sun 26 Jan 19:58
``Are you honestly saying the club should get rid of its youth set up?``
I wouldn`t prioritise it. I would spend our budget first on first team players that can make us better. Not who fits a certain age profile. Just like , Falkirk, Livi, Partick, Ayr etc who are doing much better than us.
Even during the halcyon days of the 60s, we were a selling club, Bertie, which I suspect you know, from your username. We balanced the books by selling a star player each season and replacing him with a promising lad from the Juniors or lower league. No way can we suddenly become a club buying quality players, unless our new owners have money to burn and don`t mind giving it to the Pars. Besides, established players will demand high salaries our annual income could not sustain.
We`ve been there and done that.....
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Sun 26 Jan 21:42
Certainly the academy model should be questioned. That doesn’t mean it’s not value for money, or the right approach, though.
My issue is that I’m not convinced that Scottish Football in its current form is sustainable. I would cite the number of insolvencies as evidence. It seems to be that a number of clubs are spending money they don’t have, either as an expensive hobby for some rich donor (AKA “Investor”) or in the (largely mistaken) belief that there are riches to be gained if only they could get to the appropriate level.
So the argument would go that getting promotion to the Premier League might be worth £1m. If so, it might be worth a team like Ayr forking out an extra £500k to win promotion. The problem is that Livi might spend £600k. Or spend £500k better. Or that Falkirk might win the division anyway. In which case, they’ve just lost money.
As for academies, there are various ways of getting new players – younger players developed at other, bigger clubs (such as KRH, Otoo), smaller clubs (Connor Young), our own academy (Todd, McCann, Sam Young, Taylor Sutherland), older players perhaps beyond their peak (Kane, O’Halloran) or decent players from similar clubs who want a change/signing on fee or whatever (take your pick). There may be optimal combinations in terms of spend, or age, or experience (and maybe these wonderful analytics can help target signing policy better) but it’s not clear to me whether it’s better to spend money on Rangers developing the player, or Edinburgh City, or ourselves. Sometimes its cheaper to grow your own food, sometimes it’s better to go to Tesco.
However it does seem clear that pursuing a series of short term polices (and particularly binning your manager every couple of years) has not proved startingly successful.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 26 Jan 22:53
Ach it’s bloody hard work being a Pars fan eh!
COYP
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Topic Originator: Par Dan
Date: Mon 27 Jan 00:23
I fear for Tidser . Unless we gets results in the next few games he’ll be under pressure. Completely undeserved pressure btw.
The squad McPake has left him with his rotten .
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Mon 27 Jan 07:28
Don’t think Tidser will be under pressure if we lose the next couple, but it depends how we lose.
There should be signs he’s learning. Ie if Todd starts against raith and Chalmers is still at left back and we’re still passing it around and the back and giving the ball away and looking exposed everytime the opposition come into our half.
Even if results are not good we need to see that he’s understanding what does and doesn’t work at this level, if that’s not obv in the next 5 games it might be time to worry.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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