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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Fri 7 Feb 06:53
A good mate of mine jokingly said at the game v Livi that we`re beginning to look more like Fulham or Crystal Palace with the number of black players we now have. I`m delighted because it signals a welcome advance in our society. I`m old enough to remember when black footballers were extremely rare on both sides of the border, not because they weren`t good enough or "lacked bottle" as received wisdom would have us believe, but because they were subjected to horrific racial abuse, in some cases even by their own fans....
https://books.google.com/books/about/Pitch_Black.html?id=AvRhCAAAQBAJ#v=onepage&q&f=false
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: neilholland999
Date: Fri 7 Feb 07:59
I reckon most of us don`t care where a player comes from or what they look like, as long as they improve the squad and help us climb the table.
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Topic Originator: Luxembourg Par
Date: Fri 7 Feb 08:15
Black footballers were rare in Scotland simply due to lack of population, typically England had many more immigrants during the so-called windrush generation, few adults came to Scotland, therefore not many black kids around to grow up playing football.
I don’t remember any black kids whilst growing up in Touch in the 70’s - just a couple of Asian boys - but any comparable council estate down south would have had a good mix from many areas.
First black player I remember seeing at E.E.P. was Vic Kasule with Albion Rovers, cracking player he was.
I have on good authority (from the man himself) that Liesh tried to sign him for us.
The abuse he took was uncalled for, but nothing like the racist abuse given to black/coloured players in England.
Wasn’t really until Mark Walters arrived at old-rangers that the really bad abuse was highlighted here, previously was hidden/ignored because the players were not so high profile.
Personally, I couldn’t care less what colour a player is, if Tidser signs a striker that is black, purple and yellow stripes, with green spots, that scored 30 a season, he would be a hero.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Fri 7 Feb 08:23
I mentioned it to my son in the second half against Raith that I thought it was the most black players we had on the park at one time with 5.
Then we started with 7 against Livi.
Really proud of how far the club has come.
I remember the vile abuse Victor Kasule used to get when playing for Albion Rovers against us.
And possibly the lowest point ever was the treatment of Richard Cadette.
I spoke to a fellow Pars fan that night in the town about the game and raised the disgusting treatment Cadette got from our fans. He doubled down saying he deserved it because he was a b***k b******. Still see this guy at games and wonder how his views might have changed or not over the years.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Fri 7 Feb 08:36
I used to stand in The Cage during the 90s, and remember the abuse Cadette got, which was pretty out of order. I don`t really remember many other black players getting it, I assumed he was singled out because he was a very, very good player.
During one match a guy I knew got arrested for it, they really made an example of him, going through the courts with a lot of media coverage in the papers and STV Evening News. It was probably a bit over the top as thousands were doing worse every weekend.
They was also pretty bad abuse against Justin Fashanu, who was also gay, so that doubled the abuse against him, that`s probably the worst I`ve seen against a player at EEP.
Things have thankfully moved on a lot since then, I can`t really remember the last time I heard anything racist at a match here.
I did notice the 7 players on Wednesday night, I guess it might end up that we will have a team with no white players, which would be interesting given the racial make up of the city. I`m pretty sure I read that a massively high percentage of young professional players were now coming out of areas of inner city London, so that might be the players we identify to sign from academies in England.
Anyway, they will have my backing whatever they look like
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Topic Originator: Luxembourg Par
Date: Fri 7 Feb 08:37
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Fri 7 Feb 08:23
He doubled down saying he deserved it because he was a b***k b******.
Are you sure it wasn’t more like ‘
dirty six-fingered mutant b**** inbred falk*** b******’? 🤔
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Fri 7 Feb 08:40
Quote:
Luxembourg Par, Fri 7 Feb 08:37
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Fri 7 Feb 08:23
He doubled down saying he deserved it because he was a b***k b******.
Are you sure it wasn’t more like ‘
dirty six-fingered mutant b**** inbred falk*** b******’? 🤔
Nope, just the racism.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 7 Feb 09:20
Me and my mate had this discussion as the teams came out on Wednesday. Got me thinking to the last 20 years and what black/racial minority players we have had in that time and could only think of roughly 8, maybe 9. We also noted the number in Palaces squad and how the dynamics changed a bit down south.
Fair play too - skin colour should never come into the equation, players should only ever be judged on their ability and helpfulness to the team the y play for.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Fri 7 Feb 09:53
Remember a long time ago Paul Wilson of Celtic used to get dog`s abuse, he was slightly "tinted"!🤔
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Topic Originator: dafc123
Date: Fri 7 Feb 09:57
How on earth is this post still up?
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Fri 7 Feb 09:58
Remember seeing the first Asian at school in the early 70s and we thought he would be a great player because he was from a different country. Nope! He was just as Sh**e as the rest of us.
For some reason it really fascinates children when people are different. I had it in deepest China on a flight where the woman’s daughter sat next to me stared at me the whole 2 hour flight 🤣. I think it is about normalisation. If you see something for the first time then human nature is very inquisitive and we try to understand the difference.
In the case of Dunfermline and this thread, I genuinely hadn’t noticed the colour of people’s skin in our team. I think that is due to the fact that Scottish society is much more diverse than the 60s and 70s and I am happier for it. In a corporate event for a large company in Dunfermline around the time of the great influx of Laudrups, etc. I once heard the following.
Customer- do you have any foreign players in your team
Management- yes, we have Dave Barnett, he is English 🤣
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