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Topic Originator: coventrypar
Date: Sat 15 Mar 01:07
Tidser
Young manager - asked to be a coach and work with players bought for him.
A step up from kelty and that`s personal ambition in action
The job under the analytics new owners needs a seasoned pro to do that if they are humble enough. Possibly the wrong hire.
If he was fitter he would probably still be coming to the end of his playing days.
He needs support or if it doesn`t work out he needs compassion not fans baying for blood
Human being doing his best
DAFC is my long term hobby/passion - it`s his job/reputation.
Chill folks
"If you have no kind words to say you should say nothing more at all"
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 15 Mar 01:13
Sorry but no. He`s done already.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Sat 15 Mar 01:32
No
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sat 15 Mar 01:43
Give him a break! I will buy as many kit-kats it takes for him to move on
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Topic Originator: Jock Par36
Date: Sat 15 Mar 03:00
Got to bring back Lanza John.
He did more in 3 games
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Topic Originator: hudza
Date: Sat 15 Mar 03:18
Shut up min, absolute joke this clown is in charge of our team.
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Sat 15 Mar 05:02
Nope!! He simply is not ready to manage a club like Dunfermline. The CEO should leave with him, root of the club’s continuing decline. Time is up!!
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 15 Mar 05:50
Quote:
da_no_1, Sat 15 Mar 01:13
Sorry but no. He`s done already.
Agreed! Never seen a manager look so lost during a derby game before 🙄 not what you want to see if your a player looking to him for help. Get him out before our next game and we might just save ourselves from this torrid mess we are in.
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Topic Originator: grelin
Date: Sat 15 Mar 06:38
I understand the rationale behind his appointment and I was supportive, but the honeymoon period is now over and it`s plain to see its a step too far.
Inexperience is in my opinion evident, especially in the way the management team name and shame players with the underlying theme, it`s their fault and not ours. I think they have demotivated the team and I suspect this was what `Geordie` was alluding to in his post match interview when he mentioned giving 100% on several occasions, only to add I think they are giving 100% as an afterthought.
The reality is we are stuck with him and I fear we are destined for the drop, but hopefully it will have been a very steep learning curve for him and once we get rid of the dross and he as an influence on the new recruits, he and the football improves. But maybe that`s just me looking at things through rose tinted spectacles!!
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Sat 15 Mar 06:54
Sorry Coventrypar but what a load of nonsense.
Get him to Fxxk
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Topic Originator: RossDAFC88
Date: Sat 15 Mar 07:02
Throughout my lifetime, I have predicted that three managers would lead to calamity upon their appointment: Davie Hay, Peter Grant, and Michael Tidser. Regrettably, I have never been mistaken. Tidser appears to be entirely out of his depth; every time the camera panned towards him, he seemed bewildered. This is not the kind of individual we need. He’s meant to be a leader. The club is experiencing a decline in its fanbase. I have never witnessed such a rapid shift in sentiment towards management before. Regrettably, he must go; it simply is not working. He is responsible for team selection and their style of play. Since his arrival, the team`s performance has gotten worse rather than improved. Yesterday`s display was worse than the 2-0 defeat we suffered under McPake earlier this season.
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Topic Originator: Muppet Par
Date: Sat 15 Mar 07:15
He’s a human being so we should just accept this crap? What absolute drivel some fans speak. Get him out now, useless, cowardly and out his depth
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sat 15 Mar 07:40
The pictures of him rubbing his face, looking lost and slumped said it all, he`s done, then hiding after the game, pathetic.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 15 Mar 08:00
The last 2 games v rovers and grangemouth the players couldn`t even attempt to give 100 percent effort. We know the majority are playing above their capabilities when it comes to talent but you can be the least talented player in the world but still put in a shift. Unfortunately a majority of these guys have lost their bottle.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Higgys Mohawk
Date: Sat 15 Mar 08:10
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Sat 15 Mar 07:40
The pictures of him rubbing his face, looking lost and slumped said it all, he`s done, then hiding after the game, pathetic.
This ☝🏻
He looked a defeated man as soon as we were one nil down.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 15 Mar 08:35
Quote:
Higgys Mohawk, Sat 15 Mar 08:10
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Sat 15 Mar 07:40
The pictures of him rubbing his face, looking lost and slumped said it all, he`s done, then hiding after the game, pathetic.
This ☝🏻
He looked a defeated man as soon as we were one nil down.
No wonder when the players can`t even make an effort to get back into the game. The manager is poor but the "players" need to take some responsibility as well as they are the ones putting in embarrassing performances on a weekly basis.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Higgys Mohawk
Date: Sat 15 Mar 08:42
Quote:
cammypar 1995, Sat 15 Mar 08:35
Quote:
Higgys Mohawk, Sat 15 Mar 08:10
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Sat 15 Mar 07:40
The pictures of him rubbing his face, looking lost and slumped said it all, he`s done, then hiding after the game, pathetic.
This ☝🏻
He looked a defeated man as soon as we were one nil down.
No wonder when the players can`t even make an effort to get back into the game. The manager is poor but the "players" need to take some responsibility as well as they are the ones putting in embarrassing performances on a weekly basis.
From what I’ve seen so far none of the players brought in, except Mullen, are good enough for this level.
But the style of football and subsequent interviews also highlight that the management team are out of their depth too.
The new ownership has been a disaster so far.
Hope the algorithms can figure out how to sort this mess!
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sat 15 Mar 08:42
Cammypar, they simply don`t know what to do, the manager is blindly following "philosophy" and it isn`t working.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: coventrypar
Date: Sat 15 Mar 08:45
For clarity - I’m not saying his appointment was the right one. He is out of his depth. The anger and abuse he is getting …. That’s another thing. He doesn’t want to be struggling. He’s not trying to lose games.
"If you have no kind words to say you should say nothing more at all"
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sat 15 Mar 08:49
Quote:
coventrypar, Sat 15 Mar 08:45
For clarity - I’m not saying his appointment was the right one. He is out of his depth. The anger and abuse he is getting …. That’s another thing. He doesn’t want to be struggling. He’s not trying to lose games.
To be fair there`s not much suggesting he`s trying to win them either!
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 15 Mar 09:06
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Sat 15 Mar 08:42
Cammypar, they simply don`t know what to do, the manager is blindly following "philosophy" and it isn`t working.
To an extent yesterday but you can`t be telling me the manager is responsible for a player`s being incapable of controlling a ball under no pressure? Or having the ability to make a 5 yard pass to feet under no pressure? It happens all too often we turn over the ball way too cheaply that`s on the players. They have been nothing short of a disgrace for weeks.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 15 Mar 09:11
Tidser now fallen into the mcpake team selection lottery trap. Players getting dropped as not good enough and those come in stink it out and are then dropped and rinse and repeat. Doesn’t know his best team or formation and to be fair anyone would have a hard job picking a decent championship outfit from that dross.
The best Tidser could do now is come out and say the signings in Jan were not of his choosing. Mullen aside they have been worse than we already have which you think would be hard to do! Who identified and signed these guys? Is Tidser being forced to play them as the stats suggest they will do the business?
There’s no getting out of this, too many hiding and too many not good enough. If I didn’t know any better I would say Tidser has lost the dressing room. They ain’t playing for him although even if they did they are not good enough for us to notice the difference either way.
Feels worse than under the last weeks of mcpake….
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: 1985Par
Date: Sat 15 Mar 09:25
I’m not going to kick the man when he’s down. He clearly cares and he’s clearly suffering. However it is difficult when he steadfastly refuses to abandon a philosophy that clearly isn’t working and not only doesn’t have a plan B but acts like we don’t even need one.
I don’t know how much input and influence he’s had on the signings we’ve made but I’m struggling to see what they’ve got that’s going to get us out of this mess.
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Sat 15 Mar 09:33
Dandywarhol nailed it.
Fully expect him to be gone by the end of the weekend.
He looks mentally exhausted and needs to be removed for his own sake.
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Sat 15 Mar 09:38
Tidser completely brought this upon himself, he`s a young manager who literally watched the 3 games that McLaughlin took charge in. He thought it was a good idea to take what McPake had done in terms of slow tempo, overplayed possession football and take it to the extreme. It`s not exciting and it`s not efficient with the players we have, how can nobody at the club see this?
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Topic Originator: Bertie Paton
Date: Sat 15 Mar 09:39
He`s done. Finished and it his own fault trying to force is daft strategy on players that can`t play it. He clearly doesn`y have the ability to get his ideas accross.
He`s about as popular as Peter Grant now. Disaster of an appointment.
We must sack him this weekend and put John in charge if we have any ambition of staying in this league.
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Sat 15 Mar 09:46
I would give him a break. A really long and refreshing one, all ready for a new challenge at a different club.
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Topic Originator: PARadise
Date: Sat 15 Mar 10:03
I`m sure he`s a lovely guy. However, the fans will not accept whimpering to league one again. We are not f*cking alloa.
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Topic Originator: AveragePar
Date: Sat 15 Mar 10:12
Quote:
PARadise, Sat 15 Mar 10:03
I`m sure he`s a lovely guy. However, the fans will not accept whimpering to league one again. We are not f*cking alloa.
This. Can accept losing or dropping points if it’s a purely because we miss chances but not by being passengers in games
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Topic Originator: The Artful Dodger
Date: Sat 15 Mar 10:52
A break? Christ! He should be given his jotters and that’s it. He’s got to go but I don’t think it’ll be until we’re relegated at the end of the season. Whoever appointed Tidser should be held accountable, whether it’s Cook or the new owners. I’ve been following Dunfermline all over the country for 25 years and I’ve never felt so disconnected as I do now. Most of the guys I’ve sat with over the years are in the same boat. Totally scunnered at the moment. Another 7 figure loss on the cards and at least a year on the seaside league would be disastrous for the club.
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Sat 15 Mar 11:01
If you want him to continue then you are accepting relegation again! We need to avoid that at all costs
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Topic Originator: par-ticular
Date: Sat 15 Mar 11:18
I said before, I don’t care how good a manager you are supposed to be, football is littered with them who failed!
The players skill is important. You shouldn’t need the manager to tell you how to pass, trap, cross a ball.
I watched two passes across the backline and a forward pass to a player who was being marked,his take allowed the ball to run away from him to a rovers player and we’re on the back foot. Can’t blame the manger for poor basic skills or judgement!
These players have no pride in what they do. No fight. No determined to prove themselves. No respect for the manager.
The manager can spend all week telling them what he wants them to do. But one stupid pass or decision and it’s all out the window and the headless chicken scenario arrives.
We talk about a clear out ? How many ? Most of these will have to be replaced. I don’t see us going anywhere for at least another season.
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Topic Originator: Pars11
Date: Sat 15 Mar 11:54
Michael Tidser looked like he was a broken man on TV and the commetary reflected that. Maybe give him a break and bring in John McLaughan for the final games of this season. One thing is for sure relegation is now a distinct pssibility as we cannot score a goal in most games.
Bluebell Polka
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Topic Originator: Paralytic77
Date: Sat 15 Mar 12:00
He has to go, tactically inept, clueless I would say
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Topic Originator: Socks
Date: Sat 15 Mar 12:33
I do agree to an extent that there`s a human side of this, and that he`s not likely to be feeling great about how things are going.I don`t like the thought of him or anyone else going through extreme emotional distress because that`s pretty horrible for anyone.
However, nobody forced him to become a football manager. And nobody forced him to take a full-time job, perhaps before he was ready for it. He`s been in the game as a player long enough to know that football brings pressure and that there are times when things get tough for managers. I have a friend who worked in social care but after a while just found it too emotionally demanding - eventually she got out of it completely and did something else. If the emotional cost of struggling as a full-time football manager is too high, then he should resign, as my friend did. If he resigned today with a statement noting that, on reflection, he felt that this had come too early and that he`d look to get back in at part-time clubs over the summer, he`d come out of it with some respect.
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Sat 15 Mar 12:41
Spot on Socks.
I mentioned somewhere last night he needs out for his own health. The pictures of him last night didn’t look good, looked like he wanted to be anywhere else but there.
Hold his hands up, admit he took on too big a job far too early in his career and move back to part time football.
That’s the best outcome for everyone.
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Sat 15 Mar 12:41
Good post socks.
A resignation with some with a little humility would allow him to walk away with some dignity.
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Sat 15 Mar 12:58
So many questions, so many threads on which to ask.
I’ll comment on the game on the match thread – here I’ll deal with MT’s recruitment.
I must be one of the few people without any inside information, so that may give me an objective view (or I may be completely wrong).
I would have thought underperformance of the first team coaching team would represent one of the biggest risks the club has – get it wrong and it costs two fortunes – one to replace the manager and assistant, one in terms of league position/fan disengagement and so on. And maybe a third, if you have to get a new job lot of players for the new guy.
Recently we have gone for Grant (failed), Hughes (failed), McPake (initially moderately successful but ultimately lost his way, and failed). And now Tidser (and our streak seems to be continuing).
You would think therefore that you would take steps to mitigate this keyman risk – perhaps to ensure that one person is not responsible for all the key decisions (if they get them wrong, then they get them wrong in a big way) but more to do better due diligence on getting the right person in the first place.
I would imagine that the board would have some basic succession planning in place – maybe informal discussions over coffee about potential options should they have needed to replace McPake in a hurry. Bene? Murray? McLaughlan?
But once the starting pistol was fired they seemed to move very quickly. They could have had fifty, a hundred applications. The whole world to choose from but they picked the boy next door. It seemed rushed. I’ve been involved in plenty recruitment processes and interviews (many of them flawed, to be fair) and it’s not unknown for the initial favourite to be quickly seen to be the wrong person once it gets serious.
We chose potential over experience. Many clubs (particularly ours) seem to want to find the next SAF, or Brian Clough, or Jock Stein. But we end up with the first Tom Forsyth. And the problem with inexperience is it shows. Problems inevitably arise. Challenges are posed. Issues surface. An experienced manager has seen them before and knows what to do. A good manager may come up with solutions. I’m not sure we have either. In fact, his apparent stubbornness may have created its own host of problems. And once confidence starts to leak it can drain quickly.
This has an air of the Claude Anelka catastrophe to it. At least he had a famous brother.
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Sat 15 Mar 13:05
Socks has a point. But if Tidser resigned now - that`d be his ambitions up in smoke. Instead o` that he`s maybe entitled to hold on, even if relegated, on the basis that he`s come to a dysfunctional club. He hasn`t taken us down, we`ve been in a mire for years and he`s been - so far - unable to lift us out of it.
I`d like the club to have a meeting and say to Tidser - it`s no slight on you, but you do the stuff that Lanza John doesn`t want and let Lanza take the team for a few games. Aye, have a break Michael. As if!
Ach, it`s a fecht.
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Topic Originator: summeragent
Date: Sat 15 Mar 13:10
I think he needs to go to give us any chance of staying up. In saying that the Club need to take a long hard look at themselves and ask why we cannot appoint a decent manager!
I would bring in an interim with view to extending their contract if we stay up. Murray or Paul Hartley would be my choices. Don’t want Kettlewell, Motherwell fans detested his style of football!
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Sat 15 Mar 13:13
Is Hartley not manager of Cove Rangers?
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Equal rights and justice in this time
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Topic Originator: neils
Date: Sat 15 Mar 14:12
Is Hartley not a terrible manager?
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 15 Mar 14:13
Paul Hartely who managed to get Falkirk relegated with a bunch of young English players brought up from the lower leagues? Sounds great...
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Topic Originator: halbe
Date: Sat 15 Mar 15:19
Last night was brutal and some of the decisions are beyond strange, like leaving Oakley on for the full game but I do still have sympathy for him. In his worst nightmares he wouldn`t have believed that just 11 or 12 games in his new team on live TV would put in a performance like that and a large section of the away support would be calling for his head.
He is responsible for that team so has to live with it but the board should never have brought in a young manager for a toxic relegation fight and he should never have gone near the job at least at that time.
The other part is the senior and more experienced players and what is going on with them. Apart from at left back most of them were in their preferred positions last night and except for Mullen let him down badly. You could see the frustration in the players towards each other and maybe it is with the manager/tactics/selection but you wouldn`t want to be relying on them in a fight.
Maybe they could bring in someone experienced to help him but feels like it is too late. Hope they come to a deal to let him go without any more damage to his reputation or health and he can carry on somewhere else. Sad situation.
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Sat 15 Mar 15:41
Not Hartley, I don’t rate him at all. Had an absolute nightmare at Falkirk. Lanza until end of the season and see who’s interested then. Murray coming in right away would be decent as well I think.
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Sat 15 Mar 15:43
Quote:
Never10yairds, Sat 15 Mar 15:41
Not Hartley, I don’t rate him at all. Had an absolute nightmare at Falkirk. Lanza until end of the season and see who’s interested then. Murray coming in right away would be decent as well I think.
Tidser isn`t going anywhere. Will be here next season even if we go down.
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Sat 15 Mar 15:49
@Nick: If tidser is still there to preside over the rebuild and the preparation of trying to win league one next season, the ticket sales, merch and general revenue of the club will plummet.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 15 Mar 15:56
I don’t think when we rebuild for next season, that Tidser will be signing any of the players, it will be like in January, he’ll be given a group to work with and if they are crap he’ll continue to struggle.
If we go down and we keep signing players of the ability we did in January we won’t come straight back up.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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