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Topic Originator: Gadgie59
Date: Sat 4 Oct 11:50
I’ve been exploring with AI a bit and came across a couple of interesting/curious historical references. Now AI is, absolutely, not totally reliable … so hoping folks here might offer some additional insights.
First is that, depending on which AI you use, there are a couple of references to the tower on the badge. One is the Abbey and another is the Malcolm Canmore Tower. The latter doesn’t have a lot of visual references and the former doesn’t quite tie in visually either. is there a general consensus about this element of the team badge?
Another reference that I don’t think I’ve heard mentioned, or if I have I must’ve dismissed it, is the use of The Pars being associated with the fish ‘the parr’. I’m not a fisherman so was surprised to see that ‘a parr’ can be a young salmon or trout and they do have distinctive parallel bars/spots (as verified by google 🙂).
Originally hailing from Edinburgh and adopting the pars when I was about 9, I’m not particularly well informed about the local history, but appreciate that there are different views on some of our historical elements.
“Football is a beautiful game,
It should be played beautifully.”
Brian Clough.
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Sat 4 Oct 12:05
It`s Malcolm Canmore`s tower.
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Topic Originator: neils
Date: Sat 4 Oct 13:12
Remember AI can also suggest petrol is a good ingredient for pasta.
It`s definitely Malcolm Canmores tower, you can also see the base of it in the Glen, near the Abbey, there are even pictures showing what it might have looked like. The badge description has been confirmed numerous times
There was a long great debate, with a lot of historical research by one poster about the origins of the name the Pars, and the general view (and one that I always thought, mainly because it`s the funniest) is that over 100 years ago the players had a lively recreational life and played as if they were paralytic! I`m going with that.
There is no reason to name them after a fish, there aren`t many fish in Dunfermline, even black and white ones, if anything why not call us `the Zebras` Dunfermline is well known for its herd of zebras.
Oh, it`s the only triangular badge in football.
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Topic Originator: vasco
Date: Sat 4 Oct 13:16
I thought it was most plausible that Pars was the name given to linen weavers and being one of Dunfermline`s main industries it became the football club`s nickname.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sat 4 Oct 13:26
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vasco, Sat 4 Oct 13:16
I thought it was most plausible that Pars was the name given to linen weavers and being one of Dunfermline`s main industries it became the football club`s nickname.
Never heard that one before
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Topic Originator: Fethiyespar
Date: Sat 4 Oct 13:32
Plymouth Argyle Rosyth Supporters, RN sailors for me.
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Topic Originator: neils
Date: Sat 4 Oct 13:46
Boring!
I`m sticking to intoxicated footballers, true or not, makes for better conversations when asked.
Still better than a fish.
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Sat 4 Oct 14:31
Quote:
Fethiyespar, Sat 4 Oct 13:32
Plymouth Argyle Rosyth Supporters, RN sailors for me.
It`s been dated to before that could have happened.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sat 4 Oct 16:17
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parsfan, Sat 4 Oct 14:31
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Fethiyespar, Sat 4 Oct 13:32
Plymouth Argyle Rosyth Supporters, RN sailors for me.
It`s been dated to before that could have happened.
Yep. That one`s been well debunked, pretty sure it was in a Dundee paper we were referred to as The Pars around 1910 and then the dockyard workers from Plymouth had their banner about ten years later. Surely if they weren`t making their name fit with Pars (because that nickname already existed), they would have called themselves Plymouth Argyle Dunfermline Supporters instead.
The newspaper correspondent said it was because of Paralytics, their performances at the bar in the Old Inn, and given his other stories seemed well clued up at the time.
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Topic Originator: neils
Date: Sat 4 Oct 17:18
Thanks redstar, so `paralytics` it is, though on today`s performance probably should now be called `Stoners`
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Sat 4 Oct 20:33
To keep it short (all from memory, but I could search for my references if anyone has reason to seriously challenge my version):
Of the several different explanations for the Pars nickname, there is evidence for only one origin: `Paralytics`, commonly spelled `Paraletics`. The evidence is from a Dundee newspaper in 1913, an article written by a correspondent called EAST ENDER, who rubbed shoulders with DAFC committee members and attended matches at EEP.
The previous nickname was `The Athletics` or (spoken version:) `Athaletics`. The nicknames overlapped. Probably the older fans kept on with `the Athaletics` for a while. The newspaper article was written at a time when the club was going to vote on whether or not to drop the `Athletic` from our name. EAST ENDER made the point that, if we dropped `Athletic`, we`d also have to drop `the Pars`, a nickname that was popular with a certain section of the crowd, and which was a shortened version of `Paraletics`, a name that rhymed with `Athaletics` and was given to us by `an unkind critic.` (There was also a clear out of board members at that time, and I suggest that younger ones favoured our `Pars` nickname.)
In the centenary book, John Hunter favours an origin which refers to us being on a par with the best teams in Scotland as we entered the top league for the first time, in 1912. However, I put it that John never saw the article of 1913 I`ve referred to, and that it only came to light recently during research by posters on this forum who were able to read it from the website of the British Newspaper Archive, which wasn`t available to John. Also EAST ENDER was writing less than a year after we entered the top league. I put it that he would have known if it was connected to the origin of the nickname.
There is no evidence for any other origin, they are just ideas that some folk cling to.
BTW I was wondering recently if `the Paralytics` came about at the time when our crowds were lowest. I seem to recall reading an article about a match at EEP when the attendance was only about 30. I couldn`t help thinking fondly of those few who stuck to us through thin and thinner!
Post Edited (Sat 04 Oct 20:42)
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