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 NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Thu 4 Dec 07:42

From the Courier -

`Neil Lennon will discover his disciplinary fate at a meeting with the SFA this morning. The Dunfermline boss is facing a possible touchline ban after being served with a notice of complaint by the governing body last month.

Lennon is accused of breaching the SFA’s rules following his comments criticising referee Duncan Nicolson and his assistants in the 3-2 defeat to Ross County on October 25.The Pars manager was deeply scathing of the whistler’s display, saying he was ‘out of his depth’ and ‘incompetent’. Lennon felt Nicolson’s decisions or failure to act led to two of County’s goals, whilst also missing a potential red card for home defender Declan Gallagher. In addition, the Northern Irishman claimed one of Nicolson’s assistants had made a ‘derogatory comment’ to one of the Dunfermline backroom team during the match.

His remarks are alleged to have contravened rule 72, which says that no-one ‘under the jurisdiction of the Scottish FA’ can ‘criticise the decision(s) and/or performance(s) of any or all match official(s) in such a way as to indicate bias or incompetence on the part of such match official. or make remarks about such match official(s) which impinge on his character’.

The scale of sanctions set out in the 2025/26 judicial panel protocol recommend a four-match suspension for a lower-end offence, rising to an eight-game ban at the top end. Lennon has already been in trouble with the SFA this season, sitting out the recent 1-0 win over Morton after picking up three yellow cards.`

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 Re: NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Thu 4 Dec 08:10

Sounds very much like a touchline ban will be meted out. Lennon has clearly contravened the SFA`s rules.

The fact that his comments are indisputably true will not be taken into consideration. 🙄



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 Re: NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: Bandy  
Date:   Thu 4 Dec 08:47

All this crap could be avoided if officials were open about their decision making immediately after the game. Not the polished narrative that Webb/Collum dish out weeks after the event.
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 Re: NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: Athletico  
Date:   Thu 4 Dec 09:30

Utterly inept display that day, for both sides. His case might have been helped if his opposite number had also questioned the display, but nope - he won so he doesn`t care, he`s more interested in taking and celebrating his win. As is his right.

Whereas NL calls out referees win, lose or draw, which is something that I massively respect about him. We will only really see a change if coaches/managers band together, and back each other up rather than think about self preservation.
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 Re: NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: king lad  
Date:   Thu 4 Dec 10:42

I wonder if the official who made the comments to the Pars staff will be sanctioned? Or has the referee Nicolson who has looked extremely poor, has he been demoted due to his performances?

I understand why the rules are in place and I think Lennon should face punishment for his comments. However, at the same time, there needs to be an understanding from the SFA that such refereeing performances and attitude towards the coaching staff shouldn`t be tolerated either.
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 Re: NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks  
Date:   Thu 4 Dec 11:08

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king lad, Thu 4 Dec 10:42

I wonder if the official who made the comments to the Pars staff will be sanctioned? Or has the referee Nicolson who has looked extremely poor, has he been demoted due to his performances?

I understand why the rules are in place and I think Lennon should face punishment for his comments. However, at the same time, there needs to be an understanding from the SFA that such refereeing performances and attitude towards the coaching staff shouldn`t be tolerated either.


Nicolson refereed the Celtic game last night
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 Re: NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: d3monstrate  
Date:   Thu 4 Dec 17:34

6 game ban, 4 match immediately, 2 suspended....

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 Re: NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!  
Date:   Thu 4 Dec 17:34

Back in the dugout for the Raith game on the 27th 👍

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 Re: NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: Parfect69  
Date:   Thu 4 Dec 17:35

6 match touchline ban 4 immediate 2 suspended, jeez, harsh
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 Re: NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: auldpar  
Date:   Thu 4 Dec 17:35

6 match ban, 2 suspended. Very harsh.
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 Re: NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: hudza  
Date:   Thu 4 Dec 17:38

Punished for stating the truth and no doubt his profile has also been taken into account.
The standard of officiating has been embarrassing this season (not bias towards anyone but just poor and baffling decisions constantly)

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 Re: NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: KnebworthPar  
Date:   Thu 4 Dec 17:40

Anybody surprised at the result? Pathetic on the part of our footballing authorities.
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 Re: NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: par_33  
Date:   Thu 4 Dec 17:41

Absolutely out of order from the SFA, already served 1 game touchline ban initially for this case. Whether NL broke conduct or rules etc. Surely the SFA have to take into account the incompetence of their officials.
Lennon said he was satisfied with the outcome after speaking to Willie Collum about all said incidents in the County game, so that says to me WC held his hands up and admitted the referees decisions weren’t correct.
A couple of games might’ve been justified but this is farcical.

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 Re: NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: Big T Par  
Date:   Thu 4 Dec 17:42

Absolutely Shocking for telling the truth.

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 Re: NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: GJS93  
Date:   Thu 4 Dec 17:55

"already served 1 game touchline ban initially for this case"

he got a yellow card in that County game but the 1 game ban was for 3 yellow cards, nothing to do with the post match comments.

he was always going to get a ban for what he said, i thought it was going to be a couple with a couple suspended but obviously not. only plus point is one of them will be for the cup game on Tuesday night.



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 Re: NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: cfad  
Date:   Thu 4 Dec 18:03

Absolute joke of a decision. Puts us at a disadvantage against the team we are playing and could have an impact on our results even.
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 Re: NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: oapar  
Date:   Thu 4 Dec 18:06

Penalised for telling the truth. When will the useless referees be held to account?

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 Re: NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol  
Date:   Thu 4 Dec 18:11

But Rangers can say what they want.

I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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 Re: NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: Jeffery  
Date:   Thu 4 Dec 18:12

Here`s the Copilot transcript of what he said post match on the YouTube video. He`s not wrong. You`re just not allowed to say it:-


[I]Neil defeat in Dingwall here. What’s your overall thoughts on the game?

Well, the referee cost us the game. It’s as simple as that. We got off to a poor start, no question. I think there’s a foul on Nuri for the first goal, but the second goal came from Nuru losing concentration, so we were two down with a long way to go. Eventually we got a foothold in the game, scored before halftime, and then another goal to put us in the ascendancy. The free kick he gave against Jerry was not a free kick, and it led to their third goal. Gallagher should have been sent off for an elbow straight into Matt Todd’s face. This is the second time this referee has officiated us this year. He didn’t give a clear penalty on Chris Kane which cost us points against Partick Thistle, and his decisions have definitely cost us the game today.

At times we should have defended better, but we played well, showed a lot of character, and scored two very good goals. The referees at this level are embarrassing, to tell you the truth. I don’t think I’ve been as angry with a referee for a long time. We will be reporting this to the head of referees, but whether we get any comeback from it is another matter. The assistant linesman also said something really disparaging to my first-team coach, something I’ve never heard in 40 years of football. Totally unprofessional. As a club and as a group, we are not happy. It’s unacceptable.

After losing those two goals early on, it would have been easy for the players to fold, but their reaction and the goal before halftime gave us a lift going into the break. That said, I wasn’t pleased with the way we played in the first half. We were too passive, not quick enough with the ball, and didn’t get a corner until the 27th minute, which is not like us at all. Some of the players have probably never been in a game like this against hardened professionals who know what they’re doing. We got a break before halftime, then changed things in the second half and looked really good. Even at the end, we had a free kick we should have done better with and a great chance at the far post. The character of the team is there, but we need to defend better. Hopefully it’s a one-off, but we must play better in the first half.

In the second half, we got the ball down and created a lot more chances. We unquestionably deserved at least a point today. But when decisions like that go against you, what chance have you got? I didn’t think our front two played particularly well in the first half, which is a problem because that’s a big part of how we want to play. We didn’t hold enough possession. The pitch was beautiful, conditions were good, so there’s no excuse. We let half an hour of the game slip away, but the rest of the match was very good.

Over 500 Pars fans were here today. My message to them is that you saw the character in the team. We never say die. As I said last week, it’s step by step. This was a step backwards, but for some players a real learning experience. We’re disappointed to lose, but we can’t thank the fans enough for their support and the miles they traveled to see us today. We’ll be galvanized for Friday.
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 Re: NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: Dave_1885  
Date:   Thu 4 Dec 18:21

SFA attempting to make a show of Lennon to other managers - slag our refs and you will be handed a ludicrous ban. Thing is, it’s a daily, let alone weekly conversation at all levels that refs are just not good enough and incompetent.

Problem is the SFA will stick their fingers in their ears and shove their heads so far into the sand they will pop out in Sydney. Nothing will change.
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 Re: NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: General Zod  
Date:   Thu 4 Dec 18:30

Dystopian pihs from the SFA again. We all know why Lennon got shafted here and it’s not because anything he said was wrong.

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 Re: NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: KnebworthPar  
Date:   Thu 4 Dec 18:31

Well done on the club having Lennie’s back.
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 Re: NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: parsmad68  
Date:   Thu 4 Dec 18:33

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General Zod, Thu 4 Dec 18:30

Dystopian pihs from the SFA again. We all know why Lennon got shafted here and it’s not because anything he said was wrong.


You are so very correct unfortunately. Fair play my a**e.
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 Re: NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: kelty_par  
Date:   Thu 4 Dec 18:35

When Brendan Rodgers was hauled up to Hampden on the same charge for calling the referee and VAR incompetent (I think at Tynecastle), he got a one match immediate and one match suspended. What`s good for the goose?

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 Re: NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Thu 4 Dec 18:41

I wonder what the Panel`s view was on the AR allegedly making a disparaging remark about one of our backroom staff and what action, if any, was taken against him?

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 Re: NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: Par  
Date:   Thu 4 Dec 18:43

If Neil Lennon was still at Celtic no way would he have got such a lengthy ban for these comments.

SFA a total joke
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 Re: NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par  
Date:   Thu 4 Dec 18:49

It`s great that we are a football club again and all this passionate mental stuff is happening rather than that "true and living sportsmanship" pash we had to put up with under the German occupation.

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 Re: NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: Stanza  
Date:   Thu 4 Dec 18:58

On the positive side, the severity of the ban might provoke a reaction from the players and a "we`ll show `em" attitude.

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 Re: NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: Jeffery  
Date:   Thu 4 Dec 19:00

Quote:

kelty_par, Thu 4 Dec 18:35

When Brendan Rodgers was hauled up to Hampden on the same charge for calling the referee and VAR incompetent (I think at Tynecastle), he got a one match immediate and one match suspended. What`s good for the goose?


Surely could appeal on those grounds?
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 Re: NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: Bandy  
Date:   Thu 4 Dec 20:08

So - let`s get this straight.

1. Man performs job incompetently.

2. Another man gets asked about the incompetent performance and agrees it was incompetent.

3. The same man performs the same job incompetently a few weeks later.

4. The same man gets asked about the performance again and answers honestly providing examples of the incompetence.

5. The incompetent man`s boss agrees that the examples have been correctly interpreted by the man who was asked about them.

6. The incompetent man is promoted to perform the same role in a higher profile setting.

7. The man who was asked about the incompetence and answered honestly is banned for 6 matches.

Good process lads.
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 Re: NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Thu 4 Dec 20:29

No surprise there. The SFA were always going to make an example of Lennon. He had previous and their rules prohibit any criticism of match officials even when it is perfectly justified. 😒



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 Re: NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: StevenPar77  
Date:   Thu 4 Dec 20:46

It`s mad to think a player can get a 3 game ban for a foul that could ruin a players career but Lennon, although doing it the wrong way, gets a 4 or 6 game ban for speaking the truth.

Is it any surprise we have no faith in the powers that be who run (or ruin) the game?!
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 Re: NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Thu 4 Dec 22:26

Referees should be protected from unfair criticism. However, the Lennon examples were both a farce and it was admitted the ref was wrong. I trust Martindale will be getting a ban as well then?
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 Re: NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: Stanza  
Date:   Tue 9 Dec 19:56

Presumably the postponement of tonight`s game means Lennon still has three matches left of his 4-match ban.

So (unless the QoS can be shoe-horned in, somehow) he will be suspended for the game against Raith on 27 December.

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 Re: NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: DBA  
Date:   Tue 9 Dec 20:22

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Stanza, Tue 9 Dec 19:56

Presumably the postponement of tonight`s game means Lennon still has three matches left of his 4-match ban.

So (unless the QoS can be shoe-horned in, somehow) he will be suspended for the game against Raith on 27 December.


All postponed games will be played next Tuesday.
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 Re: NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: Stanza  
Date:   Tue 9 Dec 20:26

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DBA, Tue 9 Dec 20:22

Quote:

Stanza, Tue 9 Dec 19:56

Presumably the postponement of tonight`s game means Lennon still has three matches left of his 4-match ban.

So (unless the QoS can be shoe-horned in, somehow) he will be suspended for the game against Raith on 27 December.


All postponed games will be played next Tuesday.


Excellent, thanks. The forecast is for rain, but only a gentle wind. 😊

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 Re: NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks  
Date:   Thu 11 Dec 19:18

Another preview with the assistant manager for Saturday, it does feel like Lennon is boycotting media. He’s got to understand that he’s short selling the supporters here, we want to be hearing from him.
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 Re: NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: Back_oh_the_net  
Date:   Thu 11 Dec 19:36

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Westies squint kicks, Thu 11 Dec 19:18

Another preview with the assistant manager for Saturday, it does feel like Lennon is boycotting media. He’s got to understand that he’s short selling the supporters here, we want to be hearing from him.


Maybe so but by not doing any media stuff for the club while he serves his ban means that the hacks in the MSM can’t do what they do best and misquote him and possibly land him in further trouble he’s plenty capable of doing that himself 😂
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 Re: NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Thu 11 Dec 19:58

.

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"

Post Edited (Thu 11 Dec 20:37)
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 Re: NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Thu 11 Dec 20:49

Quote:

Back_oh_the_net, Thu 11 Dec 19:36

Quote:

Westies squint kicks, Thu 11 Dec 19:18

Another preview with the assistant manager for Saturday, it does feel like Lennon is boycotting media. He’s got to understand that he’s short selling the supporters here, we want to be hearing from him.


Maybe so but by not doing any media stuff for the club while he serves his ban means that the hacks in the MSM can’t do what they do best and misquote him and possibly land him in further trouble he’s plenty capable of doing that himself 😂


It wasn`t the media who got him banned. It was the refs who can`t accept they`re useless. I`ll assume from now on he`ll just provide sarcastic updates about the referees.
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 Re: NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: Jeffery  
Date:   Thu 11 Dec 21:27

I like that idea. Just deliver all the `the ref is useless` messages with a grin and in a kind of tongue in cheek comedy way. That way he can say he was only joking 😂
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 Re: NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Thu 11 Dec 22:39

IB saying Zak Rudden may be available for Saturday and Abdulai has recovered from his head knock. No word on Kearney though.
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 Re: NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: Bandy  
Date:   Thu 11 Dec 22:40


Quote:


It wasn`t the media who got him banned. It was the refs who can`t accept they`re useless. I`ll assume from now on he`ll just provide sarcastic updates about the referees.


I remember Mourinho tried that approach once. He got fined anyway.
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 Re: NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: Kdy Par  
Date:   Fri 12 Dec 13:09

Quote:

Westies squint kicks, Thu 11 Dec 19:18

Another preview with the assistant manager for Saturday, it does feel like Lennon is boycotting media. He’s got to understand that he’s short selling the supporters here, we want to be hearing from him.


Unfortunately Neil Lennons father has died, probably explains why he has been avoiding the media work.
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 Re: NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Fri 12 Dec 17:03

Poor guy. Hope him and the family are doing as well as they can do.
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 Re: NL and the SFA
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Fri 12 Dec 17:38

NL won`t be at the game tomorrow per COWS -

`Everyone at Dunfermline Athletic is deeply saddened to hear of the passing of Gerry Lennon, father of our manager Neil Lennon.

Our thoughts and prayers go out to Neil and his family at this difficult time.

Neil will be home in Northern Ireland with his family and will not be in attendance at this weekend’s fixture vs Queen’s Park FC. Assistant Manager Iain Brunskill will lead the side for this weekend’s match along with Assistant Coach Kevin McDonald.`

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