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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sun 1 Feb 14:18
Moves into role of Sporting Director immediately and Marvin Bartley becomes first team manager
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 1 Feb 15:03
Sacked without being sacked really
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Sun 1 Feb 15:05
Hmmm. This feels like a "we don`t want to lose you but we think you ought to go" move.
What influence will he have over Bartley`s decisions? Normally you`d seek continuity if things were going well, not badly. Bartley didn`t particularly impress at QoS.
It seems a strange one - do they need a sporting director? Are they easing Martindale out? Have they written off the season already?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 1 Feb 16:14
It`s the old story. If the team`s on a bad run they have to change something and the easiest thing to change is the manager. Wasn`t Brian Rice, who use to be DM`s assistant, `kicked upstairs` last season and made `Head of Football Operations` which was effectively the guy in charge of recruitment? Not sure what a `Sporting Director` does to be honest.
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Sun 1 Feb 16:57
Really like the guy,straight talking honest and fair minded.Seems a strange move,don’t know if I would accept that,seems a shove,oot the road situation.
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Topic Originator: Athletico
Date: Mon 2 Feb 15:20
According to a couple of Livi fans on X, he was quite vocally being an absolute a***hole to his own players the other day. Berating one of his new signings by calling him "fatty" over the course of the game.
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Mon 2 Feb 15:44
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Athletico, Mon 2 Feb 15:20
According to a couple of Livi fans on X, he was quite vocally being an absolute a***hole to his own players the other day. Berating one of his new signings by calling him "fatty" over the course of the game.
What, the new signing Babacar FATI ?
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Topic Originator: Athletico
Date: Mon 2 Feb 15:55
Ahhh ok. 😂
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Mon 2 Feb 15:59
Quote:
Athletico, Mon 2 Feb 15:55
Ahhh ok. 😂
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Topic Originator: Connor560
Date: Mon 2 Feb 20:15
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 1 Feb 16:14
It`s the old story. If the team`s on a bad run they have to change something and the easiest thing to change is the manager. Wasn`t Brian Rice, who use to be DM`s assistant, `kicked upstairs` last season and made `Head of Football Operations` which was effectively the guy in charge of recruitment? Not sure what a `Sporting Director` does to be honest.
Not entirely sure myself.
Brian Rice(chipper) is very very well thought of, has done some very good work behind the scenes.
Im interviewing Davie this week for Livingston so will find out more what his role actually entails.
C'mon Ye Pars!
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Topic Originator: sonofpetrie
Date: Mon 2 Feb 20:50
He has lost the dressing room. Absolute pap of a man. Ask our new experienced midfielder. He will confirm.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary"
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Topic Originator: neils
Date: Mon 2 Feb 21:49
His interviews after games have been increasingly erratic. It`s always billed as entertaining, but I find them tiring.
Strange club, with the newish owners, why didn`t they have a clean sweep? It`s clear he will still be having a big say- Brian Rice seems well thought of throughout the game too
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Topic Originator: Benny74
Date: Tue 3 Feb 09:11
Livingston have wheeled and dealed to the point of being dodgy. They make about 100ntransfers a year including players who don`t play for the club. Away from his management I think he has had a lot to do with that player trading which appears to have kept them afloat on zero income from no fans. I think they need him to continue that but want him out of the dressing room where he has gotten stale with the players. I think Livvy need him or they fall to their natural level which may not even be Championship. I want all these teams including Ross County to return to their level and hopefully we can do the same.
Benny74
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Tue 3 Feb 09:37
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Benny74, Tue 3 Feb 09:11
Livingston have wheeled and dealed to the point of being dodgy. They make about 100ntransfers a year including players who don`t play for the club. Away from his management I think he has had a lot to do with that player trading which appears to have kept them afloat on zero income from no fans. I think they need him to continue that but want him out of the dressing room where he has gotten stale with the players. I think Livvy need him or they fall to their natural level which may not even be Championship. I want all these teams including Ross County to return to their level and hopefully we can do the same.
Let’s be honest here, on their gates, their natural level is League 1.
They’re the only club in Scotland that I’d happily see go
Loving You, Is In My DNA 🇾🇪
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 3 Feb 10:42
There has always been a lot of `snobbery` on here about crowd size and its link to success on the field but clubs can derive income from many sources other than gate receipts, such as sponsorship and prize money, and can also attract outside investment.
There are many clubs who appear to punch above their weight, a prime example being Bournemouth, whose ground capacity is only around 11,000, who have competed well in the English Premiership for many years now, mainly through prudent trading in players. Burnley are another example of a relatively small club who have regularly out-performed bigger rivals like the Sheffield clubs despite having a much smaller fan base.
Ultimately, football success is only achieved on the field of play and that`s the way it should be.
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Topic Originator: Connor560
Date: Tue 3 Feb 11:00
Quote:
Benny74, Tue 3 Feb 09:11
Livingston have wheeled and dealed to the point of being dodgy. They make about 100ntransfers a year including players who don`t play for the club. Away from his management I think he has had a lot to do with that player trading which appears to have kept them afloat on zero income from no fans. I think they need him to continue that but want him out of the dressing room where he has gotten stale with the players. I think Livvy need him or they fall to their natural level which may not even be Championship. I want all these teams including Ross County to return to their level and hopefully we can do the same.
What is natural level?
Livingston have had more seasons in the top flight than Dunfermline since 2000.
Regardless of fan base which Dunfermlines is roughly 4x the size based on season ticket holders, the method they use arguably has worked even though they have Yoyo-d the last few seasons.
I really hope the mighty Pars do come back and really looking forward to be being back in the stands this weekend for the match
C'mon Ye Pars!
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Tue 3 Feb 11:37
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wee eck, Tue 3 Feb 10:42
There has always been a lot of `snobbery` on here about crowd size and its link to success on the field but clubs can derive income from many sources other than gate receipts, such as sponsorship and prize money, and can also attract outside investment.
The fact they have faced administration or been in administration, a number of times in their short history, would suggest that the sources they are getting income from, aren’t sustainable.
Loving You, Is In My DNA 🇾🇪
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Topic Originator: neils
Date: Tue 3 Feb 11:39
I think our natural level in all honesty is pretty much where we are now, middle to high second tier.
Like many clubs, we had a period of glory days (60s) and a couple of stints in the top flight, but we`ve also had long periods in the lower leagues.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 3 Feb 12:08
I don`t think we should be singling out Livi for criticism for having been in Administration. Here`s a list of such clubs dating from 2001 and Hamilton are on the brink at the moment
Dumbarton (2024): Entered administration in November 2024 following issues with funds from a land sale.
Inverness Caledonian Thistle (2024): Entered administration in October 2024.
Rangers (2012): Went into administration and subsequently liquidation.
Hearts (2013): Entered administration, resulting in a 15-point deduction.
Dunfermline Athletic (2013): Entered administration following financial difficulties.
Dundee (2003, 2010): Experienced administration twice.
Livingston (2004, 2009): Experienced administration twice.
Gretna (2008): Went into administration and ultimately ceased to exist.
Motherwell (2002): Entered administration.
Airdrieonians (2002): The original club went into liquidation.
Clydebank (2002): Faced financial collapse.
Greenock Morton (2001): Entered administration.
In addition to these, other clubs have faced severe financial distress or restructuring, with recent insolvency events prompting discussions on governance.
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Topic Originator: vasco
Date: Tue 3 Feb 12:21
Reminiscent of Leishman getting shafted by the Pars......
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Topic Originator: Back_oh_the_net
Date: Tue 3 Feb 13:28
Come on Eck with the exception of Dundee Livi are the only team on that list who are 2 timers twice in the space of 5 years tells me they are a history of not living within their means don’t forget some of the rules they were guilty of breaking regarding players on amateur contracts that they thought they could pay a wage to the same rules that Hamilton has been hauled over the coals for recently
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 3 Feb 13:42
It`s 17 years since they were in Administration and does it really matter why? All these clubs were mismanaged including ours, paying fees and wages we could not sustain.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Tue 3 Feb 16:26
Quote:
wee eck, Tue 3 Feb 10:42
There has always been a lot of `snobbery` on here about crowd size and its link to success on the field but clubs can derive income from many sources other than gate receipts, such as sponsorship and prize money, and can also attract outside investment.
There are many clubs who appear to punch above their weight, a prime example being Bournemouth, whose ground capacity is only around 11,000, who have competed well in the English Premiership for many years now, mainly through prudent trading in players. Burnley are another example of a relatively small club who have regularly out-performed bigger rivals like the Sheffield clubs despite having a much smaller fan base.
Ultimately, football success is only achieved on the field of play and that`s the way it should be.
Absolutely true. I have never got this silly argument that the top league should have teams with the biggest fanbases.
Teams that are well run have had great success in the premier league with smallish crowds because they are well run whereas huge clubs like Rangers Mk 1 were liquidated and we had administrators in our building as did Hearts, Dundee and a few others.
Historically as well Dunfermline on average are about 15th overall so we are arguably where we should be.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Tue 3 Feb 17:21
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Tue 3 Feb 16:26
Absolutely true. I have never got this silly argument that the top league should have teams with the biggest fanbases.
I’m sorry but I don’t think it’s silly at all. Ultimately we are all Scottish Football fans and we all want to see our game flourish. The best way we have of selling our game is to have our biggest clubs in the Premier League. If the TV cameras are going to full stadiums and teams are playing well, then that sells our game. Rocking up to Almondvale (or whatever it is called now) in front of 1,500ish people to watch Livi v St.Mirren, does nothing to market or sell our game. It’s the same when Hamilton were there a few years back. Do they deserve to be there because they are run right (at the time) of course they do, but the argument that the top league should have the biggest fan bases is valid to sell our game, and certainly not silly.
Loving You, Is In My DNA 🇾🇪
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 3 Feb 17:32
But how do you achieve a place in the top league other than by performances on the pitch? Are you suggesting some franchising arrangement with no relegation or promotion?
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Tue 3 Feb 18:39
Certainly not Wee Eck, but by default the clubs with the most supporters (consumers), should be able to generate the biggest income, therefore sponsorships and marketing to increase the income further, to have the bigger budget to attract the better players and managers.
Again, just because you have a bigger fan base, it doesn’t give you any God given right, but it’s not silly to suggest the bigger clubs should be in the top flight…is it?
Loving You, Is In My DNA 🇾🇪
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 3 Feb 19:24
It depends what you mean by `should be`, BB. The main attraction of football is its unpredictability. It would be boring if the `big` teams always beat the `wee` teams.
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Tue 3 Feb 19:28
I’m sure I’ve said it before but being in Administration has long lasting effects – I don’t think we’re over it yet. The process is like undergoing major surgery – it may cure you or it could leave you permanently damaged. Or you may not even survive.
The problem is that you are a bad credit risk. Who’s going to lend you money? Banks won’t look at you. local businesses have had their fingers burnt. Wealthy fans have probably all lost a small fortune already.
Which leaves you prey to the sort of rogues and charlatans that clubs in distress seem to attract. Glib promises of taking the club “back where they belong” are lapped up in the absence of viable alternatives. Big dreams cost big money which never quite materialises and the cycle repeats.
Livi is particularly vulnerable as it has so little history. They are not yet part of the fabric of the town. There are no former fans who stood on the terraces at Almondvale as a child before leaving West Lothian to find fame and fortune and who can come back as saviour.
Livi was to be the golden goose. A new town in a county with no senior football team, but close to Edinburgh, and not far from Glasgow. A big catchment area, all with potential fans able to be caught. No problem with uprooting your family for many players. No historical baggage. A clean sheet of paper on which to start. I guess this is why Bill Hunter moved Meadowbank Thistle out there in the first place. It worked initially – third in the League under Leishman (before he was booted upstairs), a League Cup under managerial genius David Hay (before he was deemed “too old” and moved to the Pars). But it went wrong. And then it went right again, seemingly defying all logic.
The “New Town” gamble hasn’t really worked elsewhere. There used to be talk of East Fife going to Glenrothes, but they built New Bayview instead. Clyde flirted with East Kilbride but settled on Cumbernauld. Now they are playing out of Hamiton. Cumbernauld Colts have never threatened the big break-through. East Kilbride FC depend on a sugar daddy. Maybe Irvine Meadow XI will make a leap forward now that the pyramid includes the old West of Scotland juniors but they’re a wee bit away yet. (Instead it’s Clydebank who are making the running from the west in their fourth (or is it fifth?) incarnation.)
But aren’t many clubs running at a loss? Spending money they don’t generate only to lose out to someone who spends more or spends it better. Yet fans will complain they aren’t spending enough. Where will it all end?
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