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Topic Originator: BouncyPar
Date: Tue 17 Mar 08:00
I`ve not watched it yet, but it could be an interesting 3-part documentary on Scottish Ultras, 9pm tonight on BBC Scotland or all 3 parts avaliable now on iPlayer
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Tue 17 Mar 08:06
Ultras?
Weans with fruity little bumbags strapped over their shoulders, i blame Police weakness/wokeness.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Tue 17 Mar 08:34
It really is laughable.
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Topic Originator: Connor560
Date: Tue 17 Mar 09:46
The boy Blair McNally is a banger.
Typical YouTuber overhyping things.
`Scenes, effing scenes` when theres 6 folk at a junior game.
C'mon Ye Pars!
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Topic Originator: BouncyPar
Date: Tue 17 Mar 09:59
Quote:
Connor560, Tue 17 Mar 09:46
The boy Blair McNally is a banger.
Typical YouTuber overhyping things.
`Scenes, effing scenes` when theres 6 folk at a junior game.
Damn, I was hoping for something a bit more mature and hard hitting.
I don`t mind the ultras adding some atmosphere, but I cannae be bothered with the wannabe Youtubers screeching "limbs, scenes, it`s going off" at every game.
Eta our ultra scene would look like a girl guides picnic compared to most of Europe and South America. Totally different game there.
Post Edited (Tue 17 Mar 10:00)
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Tue 17 Mar 10:09
wonder if it will cover guys wearing knuckle duster gloves and face masks just there to create a better atmosphere by singing songs.
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Topic Originator: Connor560
Date: Tue 17 Mar 11:54
Quote:
BouncyPar, Tue 17 Mar 09:59
Quote:
Connor560, Tue 17 Mar 09:46
The boy Blair McNally is a banger.
Typical YouTuber overhyping things.
`Scenes, effing scenes` when theres 6 folk at a junior game.
Damn, I was hoping for something a bit more mature and hard hitting.
I don`t mind the ultras adding some atmosphere, but I cannae be bothered with the wannabe Youtubers screeching "limbs, scenes, it`s going off" at every game.
Eta our ultra scene would look like a girl guides picnic compared to most of Europe and South America. Totally different game there.
For what its worth, I`ve not watched the documentary just a personal opinion and some of the clips I`ve seen of his content or even a few things I`ve seen when he`s been in press areas I`ve been in which he`s subsequently now banned from.
I hope it is a little more mature and will give it a watch but that`s my initial opinions
C'mon Ye Pars!
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Topic Originator: Par
Date: Tue 17 Mar 14:06
Our Ultra`s are extremely young, but not the case for all clubs. Who was it in the mass brawl with Aberdeen outside the Brasshouse / Coady`s I suspect not our Ultra`s.
This confuses me a bit have Ultra`s taken over from Casuals or do Casual still exist, as appears to be the case with the Pars fans who were fighting with Aberdeen.
Trailer for the documentary -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7UID1C-gcw
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Topic Originator: BouncyPar
Date: Tue 17 Mar 14:35
Quote:
Par, Tue 17 Mar 14:06
Our Ultra`s are extremely young, but not the case for all clubs. Who was it in the mass brawl with Aberdeen outside the Brasshouse / Coady`s I suspect not our Ultra`s.
This confuses me a bit have Ultra`s taken over from Casuals or do Casual still exist, as appears to be the case with the Pars fans who were fighting with Aberdeen.
Trailer for the documentary -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7UID1C-gcw
It`s 4 different scenes.
Hooligans - anyone who goes looking for trouble. Gained popularity in the 1970s. Think anyone from Millwall, West Ham etc.
Casuals - more interested in the clothes, the style, looking cool. Think expensive brand clobber, decent trainers. Will fight, but would rather not rip their Stone Island jacket.
European Ultras - traced back to 1970s Italy, active in the politics of the club, capo arranged the singing and chanting. Think shirtless tattooed muscle men with microphones on top of stadium fences. Most in it for being the 12th man, putting on a show. Will fight, but would rather organise a tifo.
UK ultras - modern occurrence of 14 year olds with tiktok accounts, a drum and hundreds of club stickers. Will pavement dance, scream "it`s going off" on Instagram, and weigh 8st fully clothed.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 17 Mar 14:52
Quote:
BouncyPar, Tue 17 Mar 14:35
Quote:
Par, Tue 17 Mar 14:06
Our Ultra`s are extremely young, but not the case for all clubs. Who was it in the mass brawl with Aberdeen outside the Brasshouse / Coady`s I suspect not our Ultra`s.
This confuses me a bit have Ultra`s taken over from Casuals or do Casual still exist, as appears to be the case with the Pars fans who were fighting with Aberdeen.
Trailer for the documentary -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7UID1C-gcw
It`s 4 different scenes.
Hooligans - anyone who goes looking for trouble. Gained popularity in the 1970s. Think anyone from Millwall, West Ham etc.
Casuals - more interested in the clothes, the style, looking cool. Think expensive brand clobber, decent trainers. Will fight, but would rather not rip their Stone Island jacket.
European Ultras - traced back to 1970s Italy, active in the politics of the club, capo arranged the singing and chanting. Think shirtless tattooed muscle men with microphones on top of stadium fences. Most in it for being the 12th man, putting on a show. Will fight, but would rather organise a tifo.
UK ultras - modern occurrence of 14 year olds with tiktok accounts, a drum and hundreds of club stickers. Will pavement dance, scream "it`s going off" on Instagram, and weigh 8st fully clothed.
Thought casuals was just the Scottish term for a firm of hooligans?
Post Edited (Tue 17 Mar 14:52)
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Topic Originator: BouncyPar
Date: Tue 17 Mar 15:05
Dave - strictly speaking, they are separate.
In Scotland, folk may have referred to hooligans as casuals, casuals as hooligans, but from an academic pov there is unique differences.
Equally, each region would refer to them in their own local vernacular. Scallys from Liverpool, Trendies from Aberdeen etc.
It`s an often-overlooked part of football history, understandably folk may not want to glorify it, but the whole counterculture around football violence and fan culture has a wide and interesting history. Anyone interested in football history should take some time to dive deeper into it, it`s not just drunk louts smashing bottles.
PS. I`m not glorifying it, or claiming it`s right in any way, but it`s definitely a big part of football now and in the past, and when you start looking at left v right clubs, partisan v state etc it becomes deeper than a group of lads having a brawl
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Tue 17 Mar 15:38
Was down at Arsenal 1969 when skinheads were the fashion, now those were interesting times.
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Topic Originator: Back_oh_the_net
Date: Tue 17 Mar 16:41
Quote:
Par, Tue 17 Mar 14:06
Our Ultra`s are extremely young, but not the case for all clubs. Who was it in the mass brawl with Aberdeen outside the Brasshouse / Coady`s I suspect not our Ultra`s.
This confuses me a bit have Ultra`s taken over from Casuals or do Casual still exist, as appears to be the case with the Pars fans who were fighting with Aberdeen.
Trailer for the documentary -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7UID1C-gcw
Casuals still exist but most of them only come out for big games like the fighting up the toon before the Aberdeen game the wee fuds who dress in black and cover their faces would shyt the bed if they were faced with a square go the well known casual groups in this country
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Topic Originator: Fethiyespar
Date: Tue 17 Mar 17:19
Danny Dyer, the biggest clown ever reporting on Scotlands so called casuals problem.
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Topic Originator: Bigfoot
Date: Tue 17 Mar 23:23
I am a 59 year old so perhaps a dinasaur, but I appreciate what they bring to our/other clubs.
I slso realise that the Scottish Ultras are not the Italian model of Ultras, but the truth is is we don`t need that.
The youth is our future - so I am all for it.
That said, surely there is an opportunity missed by not calling themselves the Partizans?
Post Edited (Tue 17 Mar 23:24)
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Topic Originator: Athletico
Date: Wed 18 Mar 09:20
Blair McNally is a walloper, no one blows their own trumpet harder than him. Seems to think he created fan culture in Scotland.
Anyway, the atmosphere and attendances have gotten better around Scotland thanks to the young team and the Ultra scene, that`s a good thing.... But unless they reign in the pyro, they will die out very quickly.
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Topic Originator: ubisanman
Date: Wed 18 Mar 09:53
I think part two of this documentary will be very interesting.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Wed 18 Mar 09:54
I had never heard of Blair McNally before but I thought he came across quite well. If what he does gets kids to get along and get involved with their local team rather than sit at home watching an English team that means nothing to them on tv then fair play to him
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Topic Originator: BouncyPar
Date: Wed 18 Mar 09:58
Quote:
ubisanman, Wed 18 Mar 09:53
I think part two of this documentary will be very interesting.
It`s up on iPlayer. I`ve not watched it yet, but it looks like it will show a very different side to how some of the youngsters act
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Topic Originator: BouncyPar
Date: Wed 18 Mar 10:05
The boy McNulty is probably a bit nippy to most folk over the age of 20, but that`s not who he`s aiming at. His target audience is 10-15 year old, and he does what he does quite well by their standards.
Flip it round, and you wouldn`t expect a 14 year old to listen to Tam Cowen and Co.
I liked the guys from Motherwell on episode 1. They came across quite well, and had a good relationship with the club via the SLO.
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Topic Originator: Lesliepartoo
Date: Wed 18 Mar 10:53
Quote:
BouncyPar, Wed 18 Mar 10:05
The boy McNulty is probably a bit nippy to most folk over the age of 20, but that`s not who he`s aiming at. His target audience is 10-15 year old, and he does what he does quite well by their standards.
Flip it round, and you wouldn`t expect a 14 year old to listen to Tam Cowen and Co.
I liked the guys from Motherwell on episode 1. They came across quite well, and had a good relationship with the club via the SLO.
Was that not the Patrick boys bouncy
Cmon ye pars
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Wed 18 Mar 11:07
Quote:
Bigfoot, Tue 17 Mar 23:23
I am a 59 year old so perhaps a dinasaur, but I appreciate what they bring to our/other clubs.
I slso realise that the Scottish Ultras are not the Italian model of Ultras, but the truth is is we don`t need that.
The youth is our future - so I am all for it.
That said, surely there is an opportunity missed by not calling themselves the Partizans?
Haven’t seen the program but can’t disagree with any of that bigfoot
Edited to say I also think it’s quite healthy for (young lads) to be part of a group, get out, have fun with mates, etc
Post Edited (Wed 18 Mar 11:11)
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Topic Originator: BouncyPar
Date: Wed 18 Mar 11:09
Quote:
Lesliepartoo, Wed 18 Mar 10:53
Quote:
BouncyPar, Wed 18 Mar 10:05
The boy McNulty is probably a bit nippy to most folk over the age of 20, but that`s not who he`s aiming at. His target audience is 10-15 year old, and he does what he does quite well by their standards.
Flip it round, and you wouldn`t expect a 14 year old to listen to Tam Cowen and Co.
I liked the guys from Motherwell on episode 1. They came across quite well, and had a good relationship with the club via the SLO.
Was that not the Patrick boys bouncy
Yeah my bad, Partick lads 👍
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 18 Mar 11:17
Not sure what a wee boy going to games with his mum to bang a drum for 90 minutes had to do with the ultras?
Will they be talking to the Green Brigade and Ibrox Bears in episode 2?
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Topic Originator: Back_oh_the_net
Date: Thu 19 Mar 03:21
He should have asked that Manpreet the partick fan about the day he threatened to knock a disabled pars fan out because the guy accidentally bumped into him with his walker then conveniently hid behind his wee fan boys when he was challenged about it the boy is a total helmet the guy mouths off at folk then plays the race card anytime someone has a go at him then does what he does best which is hide behind folk
Post Edited (Thu 19 Mar 03:36)
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Fri 20 Mar 17:29
Just watched the three episodes and, Blair McNally aside, I did enjoy it. Fair play to the BBC as well for showing both the good and the bad sides of the ultra scene.
I’ve said it a few times on this board, but I’m generally in favour of it. If I wasn’t in my mid 40s, I’d probably have been involved myself (minus the violence). There’s definitely something about the togetherness and the banter that I think I miss in my own life.
We all know the negatives, and I’m not a fan of the masks and face coverings. But overall, I do think ultras bring more positives than negatives. The issue is that when it does go wrong, it tends to be on a ridiculous scale and that’s the part that needs stamped out.
Loving You, Is In My DNA 🇾🇪
Post Edited (Fri 20 Mar 17:29)
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Topic Originator: Sacktheref69
Date: Sat 21 Mar 08:54
I still haven`t watched the documentary, but the modern day “ultras” try to model themselves on the European groups. But they are quite far apart from being anywhere near similar.
The problem they have is that pyrotechnic laws differ from country to country, and most of those groups have trained personnel in charge of pyro at the grounds.
We’ve had numerous issues with our own “ultra” group in the past, but having a proper self policing system in place where one bad apple is identified and thrown out of the ground, would probably stamp out the negative side while keeping the positives and should be a decent starting point.
There’s space for ultras, but we don’t have to accept moronic behaviour to enjoy the atmosphere. David Cook spoke about it a few years ago at one of the fans’ forums regarding the potential cost of extra policing required because of the negative behaviour in the ultras section.
Simple rules should be in place: stay in the stands, don’t throw vapes or coins, and no pyro on the pitch. That’s a good starting point. Let the senior members self police it, and anyone found out of order should be identified, removed, and banned from the stadium.
Football should be inclusive, and fans should be allowed to go and create an atmosphere, but that shouldn’t cross the line in any form, whether it’s throwing objects at opposition players or running onto the pitch and knocking over stewards, who are there for everyone’s safety. We should be able to identify the bad apples and deal with them accordingly while keeping the guys who are there to create atmosphere in the right ways. We just need to make sure we don`t lower to the old firm shambles when we play Falkirk at Hampden.
This is Andy Tod`s world and we are lucky to live in it.
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Topic Originator: BouncyPar
Date: Sat 21 Mar 09:22
Would a net across that section of the NW be an option? Hanging from the ceiling to the front wall. Celtic installed one recently for the return of rangers fans to Parkhead.
It would be costly initially, but it would eliminate any pyro reaching the pitch, or anyone encroaching, without limiting the view.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 21 Mar 09:37
Pyros etc would just be chucked from another part of the stadium, BouncyPar. More than likely from the Norrie. You’d have to put nets everywhere.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Sacktheref69
Date: Sat 21 Mar 10:51
Quote:
BouncyPar, Sat 21 Mar 09:22
Would a net across that section of the NW be an option? Hanging from the ceiling to the front wall. Celtic installed one recently for the return of rangers fans to Parkhead.
It would be costly initially, but it would eliminate any pyro reaching the pitch, or anyone encroaching, without limiting the view.
So the club foot the bill for moronic behaviour of individuals?
Self policing surely a more viable option.
This is Andy Tod`s world and we are lucky to live in it.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sat 21 Mar 12:17
Must have cost a pretty penny for the police presence at the Raith match?
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Topic Originator: Sacktheref69
Date: Sat 21 Mar 18:01
And the more problems in that section the more the stewards might ask for police assistance.
This is Andy Tod`s world and we are lucky to live in it.
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Sat 21 Mar 19:13
Grounds should be policed anyway, stewarding does not work and the incidents over the years have prove this.
A Steward on poor pay is doing nothing. I’ve sat/stood in the North Stand all my days and since lockdown, I have witnessed Stewards turn a blind eye, stand and do nothing, not understand English…..what are we paying for then??
If clubs want to get on top of anti-social behaviour inside grounds, Policing is the only way IMHO.
Loving You, Is In My DNA 🇾🇪
Post Edited (Sat 21 Mar 19:13)
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