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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 15 May 17:00
They really don’t help themself do they?
Obviously not condoning any sort of threats towards a match day official, but to throw blame on literally everyone BUT the officials in the country doesn’t help them.
Who will be banned from Hampden next? Managers? Fans? Players?
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Fri 15 May 17:06
Which officials are to blame ?
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Fri 15 May 18:35
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Dave_1885, Fri 15 May 17:00
They really don’t help themself do they?
Obviously not condoning any sort of threats towards a match day official, but to throw blame on literally everyone BUT the officials in the country doesn’t help them.
Who will be banned from Hampden next? Managers? Fans? Players?
Not sure what your implying, Dave. It`s a shocking development in a supposedly civilised society.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 15 May 18:58
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GG Riva, Fri 15 May 18:35
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Dave_1885, Fri 15 May 17:00
They really don’t help themself do they?
Obviously not condoning any sort of threats towards a match day official, but to throw blame on literally everyone BUT the officials in the country doesn’t help them.
Who will be banned from Hampden next? Managers? Fans? Players?
Not sure what your implying, Dave. It`s a shocking development in a supposedly civilised society.
Im not implying that stalking a ref is acceptable, lets be clear on that one.
What I am getting at is the SFA going after everyone, except themselves, when refereeing standards this year (and recently) have been shockingly bad.
To claim that valid criticism of under performing refs, that they back to the hilt no matter what, is the cause of all of this is very very short sighted.
They have already banned a commentator from Hampden for voicing his opinion - who’s next?
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Topic Originator: Foresters Par
Date: Fri 15 May 19:10
One of the reasons that VAR is controversial and should be scrapped is that everyone can accept that referees make mistakes but VAR was supposed to eradicate mistakes but has just added heightened scrutiny.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Fri 15 May 19:15
Thanks for the clarification, Dave.
I`m not sure that we can blame the SFA for having such a poor generation of refs. They are on good money nowadays, but they`re no better than their poorly paid predecessors. There have also been suggestions that ex-players would make better refs, but they`re not exactly queueing up to join the ranks. Other than Sean Murdoch, who`s doing very well, I can`t think of any.
There have also been suggestions that the SFA should bring in foreign refs for big games, but what would that say to our home grown ones? They would also bring different problems with their interpretation of the Laws of the Game.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 15 May 19:17
Jamie McCunnie was 4th official for our home game v Arbroath in play offs last week.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Fri 15 May 19:18
Who is "themselves" in this scenario ?
If the SFA openly criticise specific officials it only exacerbates the already volatile situation and encourages the numpties to wholly unacceptable behaviour.
They won`t ever go down that road.
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Topic Originator: BouncyPar
Date: Fri 15 May 19:22
I wrote this in the match thread earlier, but it`s probably more relevant here, especially in light of the statement -
We need much more transparency with refereeing across the board, not just in regards to VAR.
Referees should be compelled to publicly explain their reasons for making a contentious decision, either in a post-match interview or a statement released shortly after the match.
Using this case as an example, the ref made a call, then was advised to check VAR, then changed his mind. That`s fine, that`s all within his rights and is exactly what VAR was introduced to allow. Where it falls very short of acceptable is the silence as to why these series of decisions were made, what did he originally see, and what did he subsequently see to call a penalty. What particular guidelines was he thinking of when he formed his opinion, and what thought process did he go through?
If there was much more transparency then refs would be given more respect, and therefore their decisions would be respected. Equally, if a call was made in the heat of the moment that the ref then realised was incorrect post-match, own it. Admit it, and move on. Every team has had decisions go for them and against them, that`s the nature of the game. Honesty and explanation would go a long way to breaking down the barriers between referees and the rest of the game.
This closed-door unapproachable and unaccountable cotton-wooling of referees is creating situations like this, which could easily have been nipped in the bud by either an admission of a mistake or an explanation of why the call was made in accordance with the laws.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Fri 15 May 19:25
To be honest, they shouldn`t even name the ref and linesmen. They should also let them wear masks. Just let them turn up, ref the match to the best of their abilities, and go home, without the worry that someone is going to target them. We don`t need to know who the refs are, as long as the SFA know.
I don`t really believe any of them are truly corrupt, but you could imagine, if a ref has got kids at a Glasgow school full of wee Celtic fans, then that may have some kind of influence over his decision, whether consciously or not
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Topic Originator: BouncyPar
Date: Fri 15 May 19:33
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red-star-par, Fri 15 May 19:25
To be honest, they shouldn`t even name the ref and linesmen. They should also let them wear masks. Just let them turn up, ref the match to the best of their abilities, and go home, without the worry that someone is going to target them. We don`t need to know who the refs are, as long as the SFA know.
I don`t really believe any of them are truly corrupt, but you could imagine, if a ref has got kids at a Glasgow school full of wee Celtic fans, then that may have some kind of influence over his decision, whether consciously or not
That`s not a bad shout tbf
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Topic Originator: Polt
Date: Fri 15 May 20:02
The be all and end of of this statement is the ref’s are employees and SFA need to be seen to protect them from harm. Basic health and safety and protect their own erse’s
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Topic Originator: SusieQ
Date: Fri 15 May 20:43
Can`t get away with them comparing errors at the VAR screen with managers picking the wrong team or a striker missing a chance!
VAR is meant to help the officials get decisions right. Instead, much like down south, it`s just added to the errors and as a result brought more anger & frustration than the "human error" factor we had before.
The whole point is that there shouldn`t be errors at the screen or after watching multiple angles!
Video ref works in rugby league for the most part. I have NO idea why football cannot seem to get the use of technology right 🤔🤷
COME ON YE PARS!
Post Edited (Fri 15 May 20:43)
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Topic Originator: Hoolie
Date: Fri 15 May 20:48
Get VAR to fek untill there are more rules in place or just let the referee manage a game like they used to…
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Topic Originator: Sacktheref69
Date: Fri 15 May 22:48
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Hoolie, Fri 15 May 20:48
Get VAR to fek untill there are more rules in place or just let the referee manage a game like they used to…
But they can`t? We have seen that when "top" referees get assigned our games. They don`t seem capable of making the correct decision on their own.
This is Andy Tod`s world and we are lucky to live in it.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 15 May 23:01
A 19-year-old man has been charged `in connection with a `data protection offence`.
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Topic Originator: thebear
Date: Sat 16 May 00:19
The whole thing stink celtic v hearts last day, at celtic park, celtic get a farcical penalty, where it`s not even clear it hits a hand in last minute, via var!! Refs need to be braver and reject var.
Couldn`t write a more corrupt set of circumstances
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave
Date: Sat 16 May 08:52
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SusieQ, Fri 15 May 20:43
Can`t get away with them comparing errors at the VAR screen with managers picking the wrong team or a striker missing a chance!
VAR is meant to help the officials get decisions right. Instead, much like down south, it`s just added to the errors and as a result brought more anger & frustration than the "human error" factor we had before.
The whole point is that there shouldn`t be errors at the screen or after watching multiple angles!
Video ref works in rugby league for the most part. I have NO idea why football cannot seem to get the use of technology right 🤔🤷
^^^ Great post SQ
There is absolutely no reason why VAR cannot work. On paper, it should!!
The officiating at rugby is more "mature" and has earned the respect and trust of fans and players worldwide.
Alas, this is not the case with football and the same officials that VAR was sent to help are now the same officials officiating it`s implementation, regulation and ultimately the results it offers and they are getting it all wrong.
Truth is, the margin of error can sometimes be milli-millimetres and perhaps this needs clarity going forward as this can sometimes compound the problem for on-field decision making.
I am supportive of VAR in football as I believe, even after a painful birth, it will assist in aiding corrupt or immature officials BUT it needs proper direction and management on how to prevent such chaos from illogical on-field decisions.
One idea floating that I have always liked is the claim should be lodged by the team captain and limiting the number of claims a team can lodge.
But I absolutely hate the offside claims that show obscure camera angles detailing a big toe that is 1mm offside - This does not benefit the game.
DunfyDave
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Topic Originator: par_33
Date: Sat 16 May 09:16
Goes without saying, terrible that Beaton is having to be watched by police.
But by christ, they really don’t help themselves. Everybody is to blame but them.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 16 May 09:30
I see they`ve conceded that Hearts should have been awarded a penalty in their draw at Motherwell last weekend which won`t help Hearts` mood.
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