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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Mon 3 Dec 14:38
https://youtu.be/UYonSZ8s3_o
Covers a lot of the methods used by Project Fear as part of the Leave campaign. Interesting that Boris is filmed repeating outright lies yet again.
Links into Bertie's points about how to manipulate the masses using media.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Mon 3 Dec 18:14
Both sides were at it.
Ironically the remain tactics were very similar to the Better Together one in indyref.
Even more ironic they came from many of the same people now delivering a hard Brexit.
You'd think they wanted it all along really.
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Topic Originator: DRFC_no1
Date: Mon 3 Dec 21:16
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Topic Originator: WORST
Date: Tue 4 Dec 09:06
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Tue 4 Dec 11:33
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WORST, Tue 4 Dec 09:06
Of course that video isn’t propaganda from people who want to feed the nation “fake news” either?
Stephen fry is a massive tory supporter who didn’t want brexit in any form.
Don’t get me wrong here, I’m a better together supporter and hope for a revote on brexit, but have to ask “what makes that video credible?
There is no way Stephen Fry is a Tory supporter.
For one he used to be very actively involved with Labour.
If you look at all the issues he gets involved in he has the polar opposite view of Tories so I am fairly certain he is no Tory supporter.
If you can provide evidence that he is I stand to be corrected.
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Topic Originator: WORST
Date: Tue 4 Dec 12:15
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Tue 4 Dec 13:07
It's obviously in support of Remain but it systematically dismantles the arguments used to stoke up leave sentiment. AAPS is absolutely right that the Remain team presented a negative campaign too and I've also said that both sides were at it.
The reason that this video has far more credence than the others is that it addresses each claim or fear pushed by Leave and provides evidence as to why that claim is rubbish.
Ultimately it is a propaganda video but you'll need to counter the evidence presented before you can discount it.
Are you for example saying that Turkey is about to join the EU?, does the EU regulate bananas in the way BJ says?, does the net impact of immigration cause classroom sizes to explode rather than the net benefit of migrants actually subsidising places through their tax revenue?
If you want to say the video is wrong bash on by all means but what's your counter arguments to the video's counter arguments?
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Tue 4 Dec 13:13
On the fake news, all of the sources they quote are in the public domain.
Migrants being net contributors even made the Daily Mail headlines under "Shock new study finds..."
Numbers and demographics of migrants are a matter of public record but the public still vastly over estimate how many people live here as migrants and it's linked to the level of coverage in the news.
The only thing I would say that goes a bit down the propaganda route is the inclusion of Jacob Rees Moggs unrelated positions on Abortion and Fox Hunting. That has nothing to do with Remain or Leave and is in there to make him look like a cant which he is but isn't really relevant to Brexit.
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Topic Originator: dave67
Date: Wed 5 Dec 17:31
Politics
Fry was an active supporter of the Labour Party for many years and appeared in a party political broadcast on its behalf with Hugh Laurie and Michelle Collins in November 1993. He did not vote in the 2005 General Election because of the stance of both the Labour and Conservative parties with regard to the Iraq War. Despite his praise of the Blair/Brown government's work on social reform, Fry has been critical of the Labour Party's "Third Way" concept. Fry appeared in literature to support changing the British electoral system from first-past-the-post to alternative vote for electing members of parliament to the House of Commons in the Alternative Vote referendum of 2011.[162]
On 30 April 2008, Fry signed an open letter, published in The Guardian newspaper by a number of Jewish personalities, stating their opposition to celebrating the 60th anniversary of the founding of the state of Israel.[163] Furthermore, he is a signatory member of the British Jews for Justice for Palestinians organisation, which campaigns for Palestinian rights.[164] Fry was among over 100 signatories to a statement published by Sense About Science on 4 June 2009, condemning British libel laws and their use to "severely curtail the right to free speech on a matter of public interest".[165]
In August 2013, Fry published an "Open Letter to David Cameron and the IOC"[166] calling for a boycott of the 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi, due to concerns over the state-sanctioned persecution of LGBT people in Russia. Cameron stated on Twitter he believed "we can better challenge prejudice as we attend, rather than boycotting the Winter Olympics".[167][168] Adrian Hilton, writing in the Daily Mail, criticised Fry for not calling for a boycott of all Russian performing arts.[169][170] Fry responded by accusing the Daily Mail of being "against progress, the liberalising of attitudes, modern art and strangers (whether by race, gender or sexuality)".[170][171] Fry said in 2015 that the Daily Mail editor Paul Dacre "has done more to damage the Britain I love than any single person".[172]
In March 2014, Fry publicly backed "Hacked Off" and its campaign towards press self-regulation by "safeguarding the press from political interference while also giving vital protection to the vulnerable."[173]
On 18 May 2018, Fry participated in the semi-annual Munk Debates in Toronto, Canada, where he argued against political correctness on the Con side of the topic "Be it resolved, what you call political correctness, I call progress…" alongside Jordan Peterson, and in opposition to Pro side represented by Michelle Goldberg and Michael Eric Dyson.[174][175]
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