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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 5 Jan 09:47
This short 8-minute doco shows you precisely what the US-Mexico border entails. It provides a really helpful grounding on the practical obstructions that wall-builders face.
The only realistic conclusion you can draw is that it is a folly and no matter the extent of the political rhetoric, it surely will never be completed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTQDwSVMdNg
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Topic Originator: richie5401
Date: Sat 5 Jan 13:22
In the political sense it doesn't really matter Trump has gotten the leader of the house to admit border security(a wall) is immoral.
Federal funds to Planned Parenthood who sell aborted baby parts doesn't raise any moral issue at all with Nancy.
Post Edited (Sat 05 Jan 13:23)
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 5 Jan 18:02
The president shags porn stars behind his wife's back. The moral argument doesn't matter anymore.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: richie5401
Date: Sat 5 Jan 22:42
It does when you are claiming the security of a country is somehow evil.
As for the other,i don't believe it was behind her back.She knew exactly what she was marrying.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Sun 6 Jan 00:48
Quote:
richie5401, Sat 5 Jan 13:22
In the political sense it doesn't really matter Trump has gotten the leader of the house to admit border security(a wall) is immoral.
Federal funds to Planned Parenthood who sell aborted baby parts doesn't raise any moral issue at all with Nancy.
Zero federal funds go to the abortion provision part of planned parenthood.
It is spent on things such as family planning and sex education.
The investigations in 12 different states into Planned Parenthood selling aborted body parts all found that the claims they did this were false.
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Topic Originator: richie5401
Date: Sun 6 Jan 01:23
The DV Biologics settlement of nearly 8 million dollars would suggest otherwise.
You are correct though they do have many other services that focus women's health.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Sun 6 Jan 08:50
Quote:
richie5401, Sun 6 Jan 01:23
The DV Biologics settlement of nearly 8 million dollars would suggest otherwise.
You are correct though they do have many other services that focus women's health.
My understanding of this is that Planned Parenthood got permission for body tissue to be used in medical research into degenerative diseases and spinal injuries. The law is that no profit can be made from these.
They were supplied to DV Biologics who then sold them on to research centres around the world but for a profit.
DV Biologics broke the law. Planned Parenthood did not.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Mon 7 Jan 04:01
The Washington Times is fake news and has been an issuer of neoconservative untruths for decades. You do know that it was owned by the Moonies and is still largely in the hands of the Moon family?
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Topic Originator: richie5401
Date: Mon 7 Jan 12:31
Was the video "deceptively edited" though.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Mon 7 Jan 13:43
Quote:
richie5401, Mon 7 Jan 12:31
Was the video "deceptively edited" though.
Yes it was. That was the findings in all 12 of the investigations I mentioned earlier.
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Topic Originator: richie5401
Date: Mon 7 Jan 14:03
That was what the Judge ruled.What do you or OZ think?
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Mon 7 Jan 14:34
As SIF said, Planned Parenthood was cleared in the DVB case, but I would tend to go along with you Richie in that, exclusive of any editing, the comments by the lady doctor are pretty damning. I understand the need for research in this area but is an ugly business no matter which way you look at it.
That said, we have swung a hell of a long way away from my original post on the border wall. Did you view that video and did you find it helpful?
I found it very instructive to actually see what all the talk is about.
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Topic Originator: richie5401
Date: Mon 7 Jan 14:43
It was a good video,OZ.Obviously huge parts of the border won't need a wall as it's virtually impassable.
Trump is asking 5B.Pelosi is saying 0.Why wouldn't the compromise be 2.5B?There are already over 20 million illegally in the US Trump wants to stem that flow.Just politics as usual Trump made the wall a campaign promise,the dems are going all out to make sure he doesn't deliver on it.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Mon 7 Jan 16:14
He also promised Mexico would pay for it. So why does he need American taxpayers money?
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Topic Originator: richie5401
Date: Mon 7 Jan 16:28
The trade deficit with Mexico is over 60B.Clawing back 3-4B wouldn't be too difficult.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Mon 7 Jan 17:35
Quote:
richie5401, Mon 7 Jan 16:28
The trade deficit with Mexico is over 60B.Clawing back 3-4B wouldn't be too difficult.
Still not Mexico paying for the wall though.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Mon 7 Jan 18:19
Why the hell should Mexico pay a single peso?
It is the USA keeping them out not the reverse.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Pรคckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: richie5401
Date: Tue 8 Jan 00:01
They share the border.Mexico should be doing more to stop the influx of drugs and illegal folks but they don't care,they believe it's America's problem.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Tue 8 Jan 08:05
Quote:
richie5401, Tue 8 Jan 00:01
They share the border.Mexico should be doing more to stop the influx of drugs and illegal folks but they don't care,they believe it's America's problem.
Surely it is America's problem. It's not causing the Mexicans a problem
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 8 Jan 08:17
Quote:
richie5401, Tue 8 Jan 00:01
They share the border.Mexico should be doing more to stop the influx of drugs and illegal folks but they don't care,they believe it's America's problem.
And how do they stop the drugs the CIA bring in?
The US is the biggest player in the Mexican coke game.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Tue 8 Jan 08:33
Build a wall ๐
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 8 Jan 10:12
Quote:
londonparsfan, Tue 8 Jan 08:33
Build a wall ๐
Planes dude....planes๐
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Tue 8 Jan 10:57
^ criminal master mind amongst us!
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 8 Jan 11:38
Quote:
londonparsfan, Tue 8 Jan 10:57
^ criminal master mind amongst us!
#naefliesoanme
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Tue 8 Jan 11:45
We should probably delete this thread before Trump sees it and tries to ban flights from Mexico...
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Topic Originator: Shakey
Date: Tue 8 Jan 12:21
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Topic Originator: richie5401
Date: Tue 8 Jan 12:39
It would be interesting to know the extent of CIA involvement in the the drugs game.That charge has been out there for years.Even made a movie about it with Tom Cruise as Barry Seal.
Ultimately,the cause of the problem is demand and is there a will to stop it?Especially when there is huge amounts of money to be made and a drugged citizen won't ask to many probing questions of it's Govt.
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Topic Originator: Shakey
Date: Tue 8 Jan 12:49
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Topic Originator: Shakey
Date: Tue 8 Jan 13:16
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Tue 8 Jan 13:28
President wiggy is currently inflicting more pain and suffering on his own country's people than most Mexicans ever have.
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Topic Originator: Shakey
Date: Tue 8 Jan 14:40
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 8 Jan 14:45
Sorry Shakey but if you think he's going to touch the paedos, no chance.
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Topic Originator: Shakey
Date: Tue 8 Jan 14:52
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Tue 8 Jan 15:28
"President wiggy is currently inflicting more pain and suffering on his own country's people than most Mexicans ever have."
Normally you are very reasoned and sensible - well, for a leftie - but you're talking nonsense there.
Economically at least I think it's safe to say Trump has been something of a success and it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest to see him re-elected.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 8 Jan 18:13
Shaky I'll believe it when I see the big guns start to fall, so far it's all very low level.
And to be fair if the deep state hated him that much he'd be gone imo.
Not having a go or anything but when a biggy falls I'll pay attention, until then he's just the guy making it look like he's going after them when really it's throwing meat in the grinder.
We'll see.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Tue 8 Jan 18:17
God thats a long post for a mobile device!
No offence but I scrolled past it as I'm talking about all the people he hasn't been paying that work for the American people.
Is it fair that they aren't getting paid because he can't get a consensus to build a wall he promised Mexico would pay for?
Hopefully that's redeemed my sensible lefty credentials! Or at least but a bit of context on my earlier post.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Tue 8 Jan 18:57
'Normally you are very reasoned and sensible - well, for a leftie - '
And I'm taking that as a compliment by the way.
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Topic Originator: Shakey
Date: Wed 9 Jan 13:38
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Topic Originator: Par 64
Date: Wed 9 Jan 18:46
As usual you copy and paste utter bile and sensationalist garbage that is trawled from the Right wing media. It's very obvious (if not it should be) that all of your posts are ultra conservative propaganda. Regarding the French trying to ban lawful protests (utter garbage as usual) see this.
https://www.thelocal.fr/20190107/how-france-plans-to-prevent-further-violence-at-yellow-vest-protests
I would say broaden your horizons and carry out more research but we all know you won't because that doesn't fit your agenda
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Topic Originator: Shakey
Date: Sat 12 Jan 14:53
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Topic Originator: richie5401
Date: Sat 12 Jan 17:41
Belter,wobbly.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Sat 12 Jan 20:12
700,000 working class Americans facing not getting paid because Trump doesn't have the support to implement a policy and he decides to use them as pawns to try and leverage Congress to implement a policy that doesn't have the support of the majority of Americans according to most polls.
The is the true mark of the man.
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Topic Originator: richie5401
Date: Sun 13 Jan 01:09
It's good old failure to compromise.Trump wants 5B(which is nothing from the federal budget)Pelosi wants to give 0.both sides are to blame for any shutdown.Neither side will budge.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Sun 13 Jan 08:19
Quote:
richie5401, Sun 13 Jan 01:09
It's good old failure to compromise.Trump wants 5B(which is nothing from the federal budget)Pelosi wants to give 0.both sides are to blame for any shutdown.Neither side will budge.
Typical Republican, good at spending other people's money ๐๐๐๐
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sun 13 Jan 08:48
Thought Mexico was paying for the wall?
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Sun 13 Jan 10:40
Congress exists to act as a balance to the President. The majority of Americans don't see the wall as an immediate priority and a significant amount don't want it at all.
Trump is playing to his own power base and ego by trying to force Congress to approve spending the majority of the country don't want them to approve.
Rather than accept that and find other ways to get his policies through, he's happy to let working class Americans pay the price. It's not joint responsibility for the shut down.
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Topic Originator: richie5401
Date: Sun 13 Jan 12:56
SIF..Ocasia -Cortez wants 70% of of rich folks money.Talk about a cash grab.
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Topic Originator: richie5401
Date: Sun 13 Jan 13:03
Sure it is LPF.Trump wants less than 0.25% of the federal budget for increased barriers along certain parts of the border.Nancy told him to get tae.Why?It was a campaign promise.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 13 Jan 16:59
Exactly, the Dems promised in the midterm campaign to not fund the wall. Looks like Trump made a pledge he can't now keep.
For what it's worth in my opinion it's such a trivial matter. One third of the border already has some sort of barricade covering it. One of the sides need to be the bigger party and compromise. I suspect it will be the Dems and theybwill reflect well on them.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: richie5401
Date: Sun 13 Jan 17:21
Pelosi wants a "technological wall" why isn't that immoral but a physical barrier is?
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Sun 13 Jan 18:11
Quote:
richie5401, Sun 13 Jan 17:21
Pelosi wants a "technological wall" why isn't that immoral but a physical barrier is?
Which costs the most?
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Topic Originator: richie5401
Date: Sun 13 Jan 18:30
Out of a budget of nearly 4 trillion cost isn't the issue,safety is.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Sun 13 Jan 20:32
Quote:
richie5401, Sun 13 Jan 18:30
Out of a budget of nearly 4 trillion cost isn't the issue,safety is.
Which costs the most?
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Topic Originator: richie5401
Date: Sun 13 Jan 20:48
Whatever the quote is it will be 3 times higher at least by final cost.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sun 13 Jan 21:02
"You're fired," says Trump.
"Ready, aim, FIRE!" says the commander of the US military firing squad after Trump is found guilty of being a traitor...
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Sun 13 Jan 22:57
Quote:
richie5401, Sun 13 Jan 20:48
Whatever the quote is it will be 3 times higher at least by final cost.
So you don't know. Try actually just answering the question. It was an easy question.
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Topic Originator: richie5401
Date: Sun 13 Jan 23:08
It's really not MS...dems nixed a Bush technological wall and 1B covering only 53 miles of border.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Mon 14 Jan 07:52
Quote:
richie5401, Sun 13 Jan 23:08
It's really not MS...dems nixed a Bush technological wall and 1B covering only 53 miles of border.
Still no answer. Do you know the cost of the technology wall? Simple yes or no.
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Topic Originator: richie5401
Date: Mon 14 Jan 12:28
The above estimate gives you a fair idea and it's not 5B
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Mon 14 Jan 13:02
Quote:
richie5401, Mon 14 Jan 12:28
The above estimate gives you a fair idea and it's not 5B
Ok. I give up. You have no clue and will not answer a simple question. Waste of time trying to engage with you
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Topic Originator: richie5401
Date: Mon 14 Jan 13:09
The simple answer is no one knows,it's anone's guess.All we do know is 1B was spent on 53 miles in the Bush era.
Let's say that instead of a physical barrier,a tech barrier is erected on 500 miles...that's 10B right there.
Post Edited (Mon 14 Jan 13:11)
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Topic Originator: Shakey
Date: Tue 29 Jan 14:55
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