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 First Voice
Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Sun 19 Nov 13:12

Interesting article,

https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2023/11/19/first-voice/
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 Re: First Voice
Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Sun 19 Nov 18:35

`But perhaps it’s not Alba, maybe it’s the broken system they’ve embraced? Running as a parallel SNP, albeit more decent and focused, may well be a losing strategy.`

It has proved to be so far and will likely be for the foreseeable future. The issue of abstentionism should indeed have been seriously considered on at least two occasions as highlighted in the article.

Craig Murray is trying to link the Palestine situation with a revival of the case for Independence and there may be a chance of that. The `two state solution` has been a method of stringing the Palestinians along since no right wing Israeli government has the slightest intention of agreeing to any such thing. The same applies to Conservative or Labour administrations at Westminster in respect of Scottish Independence.

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 Re: First Voice
Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Mon 20 Nov 08:46

https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2023/11/18/a-new-scottish-constitutional-convention/

https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2023/11/20/i-agree-with-mary/
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 Re: First Voice
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Mon 20 Nov 10:40

I never find comparisons particularly helpful as they are based on known quantities. A bit like Brexit, you can`t predict how Scotland will perform as an independent country. All the numbers seem based on a status quo, which is quite ridiculous.

What we do know, is that whoever leads Scotland needs held to account, as do the opposition.

I was reading today that Labour are putting in place a candidate in Livingston who has previously posted some pretty bigoted views on social media (now deleted) claiming she doesn`t trust Scots (she is Scottish herself) as Scots don`t protect Catholics. So a person potentially representing a unionist party thinks "Scots" can`t be trusted to not abuse Catholics. Honestly couldn`t make it up.
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 Re: First Voice
Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Mon 20 Nov 12:01

Does anyone trust politicians to achieve independence for Scotland or should we now create an opportunity for ourselves away from the unachievable political one ?
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 Re: First Voice
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Mon 20 Nov 12:33

Quote:

jake89, Mon 20 Nov 10:40

I never find comparisons particularly helpful as they are based on known quantities. A bit like Brexit, you can`t predict how Scotland will perform as an independent country. All the numbers seem based on a status quo, which is quite ridiculous.

What we do know, is that whoever leads Scotland needs held to account, as do the opposition.

I was reading today that Labour are putting in place a candidate in Livingston who has previously posted some pretty bigoted views on social media (now deleted) claiming she doesn`t trust Scots (she is Scottish herself) as Scots don`t protect Catholics. So a person potentially representing a unionist party thinks "Scots" can`t be trusted to not abuse Catholics. Honestly couldn`t make it up.


She can`t even trust the Labour Party not to abuse Catholics since they have elected representatives who are members of the Orange Order. One of them is an ex Grand Wizard of the OO.
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 Re: First Voice
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Mon 20 Nov 12:39

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Tenruh, Mon 20 Nov 12:01

Does anyone trust politicians to achieve independence for Scotland or should we now create an opportunity for ourselves away from the unachievable political one ?


I think there are politicians who could really push independence, but they`re across multiple parties.

I also think there`s a real challenge to run a country AND fight for its independence at the same time.

Finally, there are too many absolute wallopers on both sides of the independence argument who make a mockery of a very serious issue.
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