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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 27 Nov 12:47
It simply shouldn`t be an issue. Trans people should be able to live their lives in the same way a non-trans person does.
The issue with these bills is that they can be perceived to impinge on the rights of non-trans people. In the majority of cases there is almost no impact on a non-trans person. Where I think there are issues are around:
- Legitimate single sex spaces such as women`s refuges (apologies if this isn`t the correct name)
- Encouraging transition
The first point should continue to be an exception. Places like a women`s refuge should be for biological women only (and apologies if that phrase is offensive, it`s the best I can think of)
The second point is a bone of contention. In my view only, people should be given guidance and support around transition. This is different to being seen to encourage it. I see no issue explaining to people that some people may feel they are not the gender they were born. There is nothing wrong with that but it may be scary for that person. If they wish to dress differently or go ahead with physically changing their body then that`s all good and they should be provided with materials and support.
The issue with the GRA seemed to stem from a notion that people could just say "I`m a [whatever]" and walk into a toilet or changing room to abuse people. That was not true, and, even if it were, you don`t need to change your clothes to commit a crime. Not that long ago a guy was done for peeking over the cubicles in the Carnegie Pool. He didn`t need to put on a wig or lipstick to do it.
As for the Greens, the issue I see with them is a perception of being permanently offended. This is how they come across, but I also think this angle is pushed by the media in the same way to push Labour as being champagne socialists who are fast and loose with taxpayers money.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 28 Nov 16:43
The arguments are all a bit silly IMO. For the most part, man or woman doesn`t matter. We`re all human beings at the end of the day.
Where is does matter is situations such as health. As far as I`m aware, a woman born a man is not at risk of cervical cancer or menopause and a man born a woman is not at risk of prostate or testicular cancer. From a health perspective I suspect you will always biologically be whatever you were born as this needs to be understood as part of diagnosis.
I suspect this is where it makes more sense to refer to sex rather than gender.
Post Edited (Tue 28 Nov 18:07)
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Tue 28 Nov 17:12
Quote:
jake89, Tue 28 Nov 16:43
The arguments are all a bit silly IMO. For the most part, man or woman doesn`t matter. We`re all human beings at the end of the day.
Where is does matter is situations such as health. As far as I`m aware, a woman born a man is not at risk of cervical cancer or menopause and a man born a woman is not at risk of bowel or testicular cancer. From a health perspective I suspect you will always biologically be whatever you were born as this needs to be understood as part of diagnosis.
I suspect this is where it makes more sense to refer to sex rather than gender.
Do you mean prostate rather than bowel?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 28 Nov 18:01
Indeed I did!
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