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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Tue 31 Oct 21:38
I have seen a few reports in the last couple of days speculating that the SPFL are looking at their rules which prevent Scottish clubs having an owner which also controls another club.
Today it`s being reported that Bill Foley, an American Billionaire who owns Afc Bournemouth and clubs in France and Australia is looking to buy a stake in Hibs with a view to "referring" players in and out through them. I have also seen reports that Burnley (who on another note have our former player Gregor Buchanan in a scouting role for Scotland) are looking at doing some kind of tie in with Dundee. By the sounds of it English Premiership teams are ready to pile in and this could see a fair amount of clubs being potential targets for takeovers. This probably would make sense for them, effectively having feeder clubs in another nation, close to their own league, where they can send their youngsters on loan.
My initial thought was I`m not too keen on the idea of us becoming a feeder league where each club is affiliated to a EPL team, but it may be the kick up the jacksie that the SPFL needs. I would imagine Celtic and rangers would want to avoid becoming a feeder club, so this could help the other clubs level up the balance of power. Maybe we would even see a total shake up with a larger league and a better TV deal.
Perhaps we will change our name to Dunfermline City FC when we join the City Group of Clubs.....
I`d be interested to hear what everyone else thinks about it
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 1 Nov 11:29
Whether we like it or not, every Scottish club is quite low down in the footballing " food chain." Essentially, our clubs are selling clubs, so in a sense, they are "feeder clubs."
I`m not at all up to speed as to how it works in multi-club ownership. Does the smaller feeder club get a development fee for any player moving up to the bigger club, or does he move for nothing?
I wouldn`t be averse to the Pars becoming a feeder club if it was sustainable and successful and meant we could watch better players in black and white. Would it be all that different from the loan system we have now? I know that in Italy, the biggest clubs often loan out promising youngsters to other clubs, both in Serie A and the lower leagues. They are usually season long loans with the parent paying the player`s salary. In some cases, the smaller clubs even negotiate a development fee for the players they`ve had on loan.
What`s not to like?
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 1 Nov 13:09
I`ve little interest in seeing "future stars" from a bigger club. I`d much rather see the fighting under dogs. Maybe that lacks aspiration but I`ve little interest in watching the likes of the English Premier when all I see is guys getting 10 years of my annual pay in a week.
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Topic Originator: Athletico
Date: Wed 1 Nov 13:21
All for it, Scotland (outwith the horrible two) needs a kick up the erse financially, our governing body seem unable to get the financial income streams that comparable leagues get, so if its a way to get clubs more competitive, then it sounds promising.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Wed 1 Nov 13:35
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jake89, Wed 1 Nov 13:09
I`ve little interest in seeing "future stars" from a bigger club. I`d much rather see the fighting under dogs. Maybe that lacks aspiration but I`ve little interest in watching the likes of the English Premier when all I see is guys getting 10 years of my annual pay in a week.
Yeah I’m like that. I want to see success but with players that fight tooth and nail for the jersey such as in the Paton and Leishman years.
It just doesn’t have that same feeling celebrating with half a team of loanees who will leave us in the summer to benefit their parent clubs and we have to rebuild once more.
I get that, that’s the reality of football today in Scotland but it just doesn’t give you that same buzz of camaraderie you should experience.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: EastEndTales
Date: Wed 1 Nov 15:31
Nobody is calling for Scotland to be jammed pack full of loanees.
I think it`s a forward step to allow this. If it improves our facilities, the quality of our game and helps clubs get closer to the two monsters, I`m for it.
Ep.17 of East End Tales is out now with Andrius Skerla
https://www.buzzsprout.com/1972630/15082607
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 1 Nov 16:33
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AdamAntsParsStripe, Wed 1 Nov 13:35
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jake89, Wed 1 Nov 13:09
I`ve little interest in seeing "future stars" from a bigger club. I`d much rather see the fighting under dogs. Maybe that lacks aspiration but I`ve little interest in watching the likes of the English Premier when all I see is guys getting 10 years of my annual pay in a week.
Yeah I’m like that. I want to see success but with players that fight tooth and nail for the jersey such as in the Paton and Leishman years.
It just doesn’t have that same feeling celebrating with half a team of loanees who will leave us in the summer to benefit their parent clubs and we have to rebuild once more.
I get that, that’s the reality of football today in Scotland but it just doesn’t give you that same buzz of camaraderie you should experience.
Serious question - not trying to be a smartass. What`s the difference between a loanee and one of our own signed players on a one year contract who signs for another club at the end of the season, AAPS.
Some 20 years ago, John Yorkston had good connections at Arsenal. He was offered a young full back on loan. Jimmy Calderwood said he didn`t want him as he was no better than what he already had. "I wonder what ever happened to that young full back?" Yorkston said to me. "His name was Ashley Cole," he added. I`d like to have seen him playing for the Pars, even if it was only for a season....
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar
Date: Wed 1 Nov 18:08
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GG Riva, Wed 1 Nov 16:33
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AdamAntsParsStripe, Wed 1 Nov 13:35
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jake89, Wed 1 Nov 13:09
I`ve little interest in seeing "future stars" from a bigger club. I`d much rather see the fighting under dogs. Maybe that lacks aspiration but I`ve little interest in watching the likes of the English Premier when all I see is guys getting 10 years of my annual pay in a week.
Yeah I’m like that. I want to see success but with players that fight tooth and nail for the jersey such as in the Paton and Leishman years.
It just doesn’t have that same feeling celebrating with half a team of loanees who will leave us in the summer to benefit their parent clubs and we have to rebuild once more.
I get that, that’s the reality of football today in Scotland but it just doesn’t give you that same buzz of camaraderie you should experience.
Serious question - not trying to be a smartass. What`s the difference between a loanee and one of our own signed players on a one year contract who signs for another club at the end of the season, AAPS.
Some 20 years ago, John Yorkston had good connections at Arsenal. He was offered a young full back on loan. Jimmy Calderwood said he didn`t want him as he was no better than what he already had. "I wonder what ever happened to that young full back?" Yorkston said to me. "His name was Ashley Cole," he added. I`d like to have seen him playing for the Pars, even if it was only for a season....
Did you hear this directly from John Yorkston GG ?? 🤣🤣
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 1 Nov 21:27
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alwaysaPar, Wed 1 Nov 18:08
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GG Riva, Wed 1 Nov 16:33
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AdamAntsParsStripe, Wed 1 Nov 13:35
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jake89, Wed 1 Nov 13:09
I`ve little interest in seeing "future stars" from a bigger club. I`d much rather see the fighting under dogs. Maybe that lacks aspiration but I`ve little interest in watching the likes of the English Premier when all I see is guys getting 10 years of my annual pay in a week.
Yeah I’m like that. I want to see success but with players that fight tooth and nail for the jersey such as in the Paton and Leishman years.
It just doesn’t have that same feeling celebrating with half a team of loanees who will leave us in the summer to benefit their parent clubs and we have to rebuild once more.
I get that, that’s the reality of football today in Scotland but it just doesn’t give you that same buzz of camaraderie you should experience.
Serious question - not trying to be a smartass. What`s the difference between a loanee and one of our own signed players on a one year contract who signs for another club at the end of the season, AAPS.
Some 20 years ago, John Yorkston had good connections at Arsenal. He was offered a young full back on loan. Jimmy Calderwood said he didn`t want him as he was no better than what he already had. "I wonder what ever happened to that young full back?" Yorkston said to me. "His name was Ashley Cole," he added. I`d like to have seen him playing for the Pars, even if it was only for a season....
Did you hear this directly from John Yorkston GG ?? 🤣🤣
Yes I did, actually. I was in his company in the Rennie lounge before a game. There was another man there, but I can`t remember who he was for the life of me. Yorkston was quite pally with David Dein back then.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar
Date: Wed 1 Nov 22:00
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GG Riva, Wed 1 Nov 21:27
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alwaysaPar, Wed 1 Nov 18:08
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GG Riva, Wed 1 Nov 16:33
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AdamAntsParsStripe, Wed 1 Nov 13:35
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jake89, Wed 1 Nov 13:09
I`ve little interest in seeing "future stars" from a bigger club. I`d much rather see the fighting under dogs. Maybe that lacks aspiration but I`ve little interest in watching the likes of the English Premier when all I see is guys getting 10 years of my annual pay in a week.
Yeah I’m like that. I want to see success but with players that fight tooth and nail for the jersey such as in the Paton and Leishman years.
It just doesn’t have that same feeling celebrating with half a team of loanees who will leave us in the summer to benefit their parent clubs and we have to rebuild once more.
I get that, that’s the reality of football today in Scotland but it just doesn’t give you that same buzz of camaraderie you should experience.
Serious question - not trying to be a smartass. What`s the difference between a loanee and one of our own signed players on a one year contract who signs for another club at the end of the season, AAPS.
Some 20 years ago, John Yorkston had good connections at Arsenal. He was offered a young full back on loan. Jimmy Calderwood said he didn`t want him as he was no better than what he already had. "I wonder what ever happened to that young full back?" Yorkston said to me. "His name was Ashley Cole," he added. I`d like to have seen him playing for the Pars, even if it was only for a season....
Did you hear this directly from John Yorkston GG ?? 🤣🤣
Yes I did, actually. I was in his company in the Rennie lounge before a game. There was another man there, but I can`t remember who he was for the life of me. Yorkston was quite pally with David Dein back then.
He may well have been friendly with Mr Dein but I assure you there was no way that Ashley Cole would ever have been up here on loan
Signed his first contract and made his debut with Arsenal the year Calderwood joined us when we were in the First Division
At the end of that season, a loan to Crystal Palace had already been arranged for the nextvseason with him returning after 14 games to replace Silvinhio (?) and never looked back after that.
Big John always did like a good yarn.......
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Wed 1 Nov 22:57
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GG Riva, Wed 1 Nov 16:33
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AdamAntsParsStripe, Wed 1 Nov 13:35
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jake89, Wed 1 Nov 13:09
I`ve little interest in seeing "future stars" from a bigger club. I`d much rather see the fighting under dogs. Maybe that lacks aspiration but I`ve little interest in watching the likes of the English Premier when all I see is guys getting 10 years of my annual pay in a week.
Yeah I’m like that. I want to see success but with players that fight tooth and nail for the jersey such as in the Paton and Leishman years.
It just doesn’t have that same feeling celebrating with half a team of loanees who will leave us in the summer to benefit their parent clubs and we have to rebuild once more.
I get that, that’s the reality of football today in Scotland but it just doesn’t give you that same buzz of camaraderie you should experience.
Serious question - not trying to be a smartass. What`s the difference between a loanee and one of our own signed players on a one year contract who signs for another club at the end of the season, AAPS.
Some 20 years ago, John Yorkston had good connections at Arsenal. He was offered a young full back on loan. Jimmy Calderwood said he didn`t want him as he was no better than what he already had. "I wonder what ever happened to that young full back?" Yorkston said to me. "His name was Ashley Cole," he added. I`d like to have seen him playing for the Pars, even if it was only for a season....
Contracted players will give that little bit more in general plus they aren’t cup tied which could leave a team very short in numbers for a big game.
I get that our loanees did brilliantly last season too but they were young and were not really wanted by their parent clubs for the long term.
Great story about Ashley Cole mind you!
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Thu 2 Nov 09:52
We did get David Grondin on loan from Arsenal, who I always thought was a really good player. Some fans really didn`t take to him though.
Danilivecius was another we grabbed from Arsenal. He wasn`t so great for us - but did have a pretty decent career subsequently.
I`ve heard the Ashley Cole story before. I didn`t believe it then, and I don`t believe it now.
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Topic Originator: EastEndTales
Date: Thu 2 Nov 10:41
Grondin was decent. Scored on his debut live on TV against Rangers if I mind right.
Danilevicous was abysmal. Saw him first at Love Street, couldn`t believe he was an Arsenal player. Slow, no first touch and offered nothing at all.
Ep.17 of East End Tales is out now with Andrius Skerla
https://www.buzzsprout.com/1972630/15082607
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Topic Originator: parathletic
Date: Thu 2 Nov 11:11
Our greatest ever keeper ,Jim Will, had been in the Arsenal youth set up before signing for us😀
Inverness had a link with Arsenal at one point but I`m not sure how successful it was.
Did Watford not have some sort of deal with Udinese which hasn`t turned out too well for them in terms of the league position and manager turnover?
We looked at having a feeder club in Eastern Europe during the Yorkston era did we not?
Post Edited (Thu 02 Nov 11:12)
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Thu 2 Nov 12:07
"He may well have been friendly with Mr Dein but I assure you there was no way that Ashley Cole would ever have been up here on loan
Signed his first contract and made his debut with Arsenal the year Calderwood joined us when we were in the First Division
At the end of that season, a loan to Crystal Palace had already been arranged for the nextvseason with him returning after 14 games to replace Silvinhio (?) and never looked back after that.
Big John always did like a good yarn......."
I didn`t know John Yorkston could have been a presenter on Jackanory. 😀
I`ve remembered the other guy`s name - Ronnie Weymss. Not that, that makes Yorkston`s story true.😀
Agree Big Tomas wasn`t much cop with us but he carved out a decent career for himself and is now President of the Lithuanian FF.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomas_Danilevi%C4%8Dius
Post Edited (Thu 02 Nov 12:09)
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Thu 2 Nov 12:28
Heard the Cole story before but this version was we couldn`t afford the hefty insurance incase he got injured so it was a non starter.
Danilevicous looked OK i thought on his debut, then was hooked at halftime the following week (Rugby Park?) and never saw him again.
That being said if you have heard the Ray Parlour story about how Arsenal signed Igor Stepanovs then the criteria for their scouting department in that part of the world could be questioned.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Thu 2 Nov 13:13
Danilevicus had a pretty good career after leaving us. It must have been a shock to the system being with Club Brugge then getting a £1.8million pound move to Arsenal, scoring against Barcelona in a preseason friendly for them, and before you know it he`s battling it out beside David Moss and Stephen Hampshire to make the starting 11 here. He must have been a decent player but we seemed to have a huge squad at that time.
There can`t be many former Pars players with a better CV of clubs
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Topic Originator: EastEndTales
Date: Thu 2 Nov 13:17
It`s wild. Isn`t he top Serie B scorer of all time? And Lithuania`s top scorer?
Would never have believed it after he was here.
Ep.17 of East End Tales is out now with Andrius Skerla
https://www.buzzsprout.com/1972630/15082607
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