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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Fri 10 Nov 22:12
Not one of our forward players will score more than 6 goals this season. McCann does the work of about 3 men to cover the combination of jakubiak and wighton. Worrying times ahead if we can`t get a striker in who can take a chance.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Gaz3822
Date: Fri 10 Nov 22:23
Jakubiak does his best work outside the box, better than Wighton or headless chicken McCann. But doesn`t look like ever scoring. Whereas a ball dropping to Wighton, he can put it away, but doesn`t put a good enough shift in. And O`haloran is just made of chocolate.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Fri 10 Nov 22:26
And McPake is on record as saying we don’t need four strikers…..mind you currently we don’t have any…
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Fri 10 Nov 22:29
Quote:
Gaz3822, Fri 10 Nov 22:23
Jakubiak does his best work outside the box, better than Wighton or headless chicken McCann. But doesn`t look like ever scoring. Whereas a ball dropping to Wighton, he can put it away, but doesn`t put a good enough shift in. And O`haloran is just made of chocolate.
Had 2 basically gimme chances and has fluffed them both....
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Gaz3822
Date: Fri 10 Nov 22:32
Had 2 basically gimme chances and has fluffed them both
I said he can I didn`t say will always do it lol
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 12 Nov 13:16
If we think back to the long ball into McCann on Friday that he obv miss controlled and the chance was gone of all our strikers I’d fancy wighton to have the best chance to bring that down and stick it in the net. Problem is wighton rarely takes up that position and too often is coming short and not interested in running in behind or playing on the last man. He can be decent at linking the play tho and is intelligent.
McCann works his socks off but there’s zero end product and lacks any game intelligence or anticipation, especially near the box. There’s little control to his game and he’s often so goosed when he gets it that he inevitable makes the wrong decision and can’t execute.
Yet to see anything from jak, does the hard part well in but 9 times out of 10 he gives the ball away instead of linking play up with those coming to support. Not looking like a good signing but it’s all Dundee had spare.
O’halleron could be a player but clearly it’s a season too far for him and he’ll be lucky to string 5 games together. With a young team you really need the more experienced players to be dependable performers and this looks like a poor move.
It’s a hard one, we’ve ended up with 1 decent striker but he’s spread across 3 players! Moffat looks likely to be our top scorer this season.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: JnrB
Date: Sun 12 Nov 14:00
I think the biggest issue is that we have been without Summers and Todd. Our 2 best attacking mids for the ball sticking to and the most creative.
Have them back in the team and Wighton would be more likely to get into those scoring positions instead of coming deep to get the ball.
Fwiw we could definitely do with a better striker, but the current crop aren’t helped with the players behind them that we have had missing.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 12 Nov 14:11
Quote:
JnrB, Sun 12 Nov 14:00
I think the biggest issue is that we have been without Summers and Todd. Our 2 best attacking mids for the ball sticking to and the most creative.
Have them back in the team and Wighton would be more likely to get into those scoring positions instead of coming deep to get the ball.
Fwiw we could definitely do with a better striker, but the current crop aren’t helped with the players behind them that we have had missing.
Sense at last!
Raith are flying yet their No 1 striker has hardly kicked a ball. They`re relying on attacking midfielders chipping in with goals every week.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: EastEndTales
Date: Sun 12 Nov 14:17
Isn`t that Moffats role right now?
Surely if Wighton is to be further forward th manager should just tell him to, and perhaps practise a few passage of plays?
Has looked all season he`s beeb told to come deep, leaving bloody nobody else up there.
Ep.17 of East End Tales is out now with Andrius Skerla
https://www.buzzsprout.com/1972630/15082607
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sun 12 Nov 14:40
Hopefully with our first choice midfield we`ll also be able to play more effectively and create better opportunities for the strikers instead of expecting them to create their own.
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Topic Originator: thebear
Date: Sun 12 Nov 15:58
Problem is we don`t need a single striker because unless he get great support and some luck, it wilways be a bridge too far
Needs a 2 or 3, but we don`t have that cash or we bring juniors in.
With some luck we might just make playoffs, but that means relegation playoffs are nor far below us.
Keep hoping though
COYP
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sun 12 Nov 22:55
It has become depressingly evident that our attack force is a shambles. On the far too rare occasions the ball advances beyond midfield into an attacking area, my first thought has become, "What new way are we going to find to muck this up?"
McCann`s first touch is atrocious, and he rushes and randomly stabs at shots rather than places them. Jakubiak looks to pass rather than shoot, while Wighton repeatedly is in the wrong spot when opportunities arise.
And then against United, MacPake subs Moffat, the one player who had been scoring goals, immediately after he had done so, knowing that in the previous game, he had scored twice in quick succession.
I don`t think I was alone within the fanbase in thinking this was madness at the time. The more beneficial move would have been to put Todd on for Allan, who was invisible. With KRH coming on shortly afterwards, I would be pretty confident that they could have conjured up a second goal between him, Moffat, Todd, MacCann and Jakubiak,
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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar
Date: Mon 13 Nov 06:09
Quote:
OzPar, Sun 12 Nov 22:55
It has become depressingly evident that our attack force is a shambles. On the far too rare occasions the ball advances beyond midfield into an attacking area, my first thought has become, "What new way are we going to find to muck this up?"
McCann`s first touch is atrocious, and he rushes and randomly stabs at shots rather than places them. Jakubiak looks to pass rather than shoot, while Wighton repeatedly is in the wrong spot when opportunities arise.
And then against United, MacPake subs Moffat, the one player who had been scoring goals, immediately after he had done so, knowing that in the previous game, he had scored twice in quick succession.
I don`t think I was alone within the fanbase in thinking this was madness at the time. The more beneficial move would have been to put Todd on for Allan, who was invisible. With KRH coming on shortly afterwards, I would be pretty confident that they could have conjured up a second goal between him, Moffat, Todd, MacCann and Jakubiak,
Totally picked the wrong career path.......
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 13 Nov 08:15
Quote:
alwaysaPar, Mon 13 Nov 06:09
Quote:
OzPar, Sun 12 Nov 22:55
It has become depressingly evident that our attack force is a shambles. On the far too rare occasions the ball advances beyond midfield into an attacking area, my first thought has become, "What new way are we going to find to muck this up?"
McCann`s first touch is atrocious, and he rushes and randomly stabs at shots rather than places them. Jakubiak looks to pass rather than shoot, while Wighton repeatedly is in the wrong spot when opportunities arise.
And then against United, MacPake subs Moffat, the one player who had been scoring goals, immediately after he had done so, knowing that in the previous game, he had scored twice in quick succession.
I don`t think I was alone within the fanbase in thinking this was madness at the time. The more beneficial move would have been to put Todd on for Allan, who was invisible. With KRH coming on shortly afterwards, I would be pretty confident that they could have conjured up a second goal between him, Moffat, Todd, MacCann and Jakubiak,
Totally picked the wrong career path.......
Aye looks like it.....but wait.....did he type that? Or was it someone else hacking into his mainframe?
You decide......
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Mon 13 Nov 10:01
Oh, you boring little fart...
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Topic Originator: dd23
Date: Mon 13 Nov 14:11
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 13 Nov 08:15
Quote:
alwaysaPar, Mon 13 Nov 06:09
Quote:
OzPar, Sun 12 Nov 22:55
It has become depressingly evident that our attack force is a shambles. On the far too rare occasions the ball advances beyond midfield into an attacking area, my first thought has become, "What new way are we going to find to muck this up?"
McCann`s first touch is atrocious, and he rushes and randomly stabs at shots rather than places them. Jakubiak looks to pass rather than shoot, while Wighton repeatedly is in the wrong spot when opportunities arise.
And then against United, MacPake subs Moffat, the one player who had been scoring goals, immediately after he had done so, knowing that in the previous game, he had scored twice in quick succession.
I don`t think I was alone within the fanbase in thinking this was madness at the time. The more beneficial move would have been to put Todd on for Allan, who was invisible. With KRH coming on shortly afterwards, I would be pretty confident that they could have conjured up a second goal between him, Moffat, Todd, MacCann and Jakubiak,
Totally picked the wrong career path.......
Aye looks like it.....but wait.....did he type that? Or was it someone else hacking into his mainframe?
You decide......
😂😂😂😂
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Topic Originator: ParfectXI
Date: Mon 13 Nov 14:35
I don’t understand why people still think Wighton will ‘come good’ and needs a midfield to feed him. If you look at his stats he’s hardly prolific in the Championship or above so I’d say it’s nothing about the midfield, it’s down to his ability, The stats don’t lie - he’s simply a first division striker! This season we’ve been relying on our midfield to get a decent amount of goals and that clearly is a recipe for disaster.
I really hope that McPake and his Scouting team are taking these next few weeks to identify a proper goalscorer otherwise we will struggle to reach the playoffs.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Mon 13 Nov 15:15
Only way we’re getting an experienced striker in is if Dundee or st Johnstone have one going spare…
Bene aside, the management just won’t bring in anyone with any experience if they are not from their former clubs.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 13 Nov 15:28
2 of Raiths best players in recent times came from their managers previous club.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Mon 13 Nov 16:14
Eastend, I was deliberate in the use of the word ‘experienced’.
We seem to go out of our way to sign players from those 2 clubs, can barely even remember us being linked with anyone outside of those clubs last summer unless it was for youngsters or loans. Byrne and the debacle with wotherspoon were others we were interested in too. Obv we loaned the keeper aswell who has been suspect.
I get there’s signing players you can trust but the net has to be cast wider espech with limited budget for experienced players in our young squad.
Jak has 7 league goals in just over 3 years and has never scored more than 6 league goals in a season. He’s not been brought in for his goalscoring exploits, which begs the question, who are we expecting to score the goals for us this season?
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 13 Nov 16:43
There`s so much speculation and conjecture on here from fans who don`t have the faintest idea of how complex the signing of players can be. Some folk seem to believe that it`s not much more difficult than popping into their local supermarket to pick up the exact item they need. Aside from the obvious considerations like:
Can we afford him?
Does the player want to come to EEP?
Is his club prepared to release him?
Do they want a fee?
Are there other clubs in for him?
There are other, less obvious ones, like:
Does the manager think he can improve the squad?
Is he of sound character, or is he likely to damage dressing room harmony?
Is he injury prone?
Is the Chairman prepared to back his manager`s judgement?
How honest and easy to deal with, is the player`s agent?
I`m sure there are probably other considerations, which I`ve missed.
Not your average Sunday League player.
Post Edited (Mon 13 Nov 16:44)
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Mon 13 Nov 18:02
I find it strange we brought KRH on and focused okay down the left. McCann reminds me a bit of moffat when we had him and faz up top where Lewis is happy to do the work up top but the issue comes that we don`t have a faz in a position if we win the ball high up.
Wighton actually runs beside the centre back at times which doesn`t help when we win the ball back he`s seen as marked. If he doesn`t he`s about 5 yards behind the play.
I don`t see anything in yak that shows me he will score nearly enough goals in this league.
I think if we can get KRH in a natural position not rwb but further up him and McCann will get us chances but I`m not convinced the strikers will take them.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: gordi-b
Date: Mon 13 Nov 19:56
Wighton,Mcann and Ohalleran are to a man 1st division material at the best, Jak with his strong running etc could probably create chances for a half decent striker.
G.B
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Topic Originator: PARadise
Date: Mon 13 Nov 20:36
Bring the Moroccan prince home
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Mon 13 Nov 22:26
At the start of every day, I drink a coffee from a mug celebrating our League One title in 2015-16. The mug has been through the dishwasher so many times Joe Cardle, Faissal El Bakhtaoui, Michael Moffat, Andy Geggan, and co. have all diminished into ghost-like figures. Anyone seeing it on my kitchen top today could be forgiven for assuming it is just a plain white mug, but I know its history, and I remember the 80+ goals that the team scored that season, and that mug always makes my day start with a bit of happiness.
:)
Post Edited (Mon 13 Nov 22:39)
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Topic Originator: USMac
Date: Mon 13 Nov 22:54
Our strikers are just fine. They just need consistent chances, which the team hasn`t been able to give them. Why? Because of injuries. If Hammy could play in midfield instead of central defense and if we had consistently had Summers, Todd and KRH healthy, you would see the difference in the number of chances created and our strikers would pluck a bunch of them away.
Scapegoating the guys up front because they are feeding on scraps is not helpful. Try to come up with a different mantra. Thanks
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Tue 14 Nov 00:33
Eleven games in, and we have lost four of the last five. Our three strikers have contributed five goals in those 11 games. McCann has three, Wighton two, and Jakubiak has yet to get off the mark.
Slice it whichever way you like, but our strikers are not "just fine".
I would like to see a Craig Brewster, a Ross Jack, or even a Joe Cardle brought in to give these guys some supportive coaching. There are so many fundamental shortcomings in our strike force at the moment. Their movement on and off the ball lacks cohesion, mutual understanding, confidence, and planning. This should be blindingly obvious to anyone.
This is not about looking for an excuse to hammer these guys. I am sure we would all be over the moon if McCann, Wighton and Jakubiak netted next weekend. After all, the midfield is finally coming back into shape.
The truth is that injuries in midfield are a part of the problem, not the whole problem. There are fundamental issues that need addressing.
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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar
Date: Tue 14 Nov 07:00
I would like to see these opponents we play start to ease up a bit, stop marking our strikers, stop keeping the ball and passing it around our players, hold back on their tackling and challenging in the air.
It just seems so unfair that the teams we play against compete like they do rather and try to stop us from beating them.
Can the please just let us win more , it would make it soooooo much easier.......
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Tue 14 Nov 07:54
Look, I don`t pretend to be an expert. I didn`t play at a pro level, but I played men`s football in Scotland at 15 (we used to call it works league). I then played at the student level in Southampton, where I experienced regular training sessions with Southampton players, including Eric Martin, Ron Davies, Jim Steele, and Mick Channon. Southampton were then a top-league team. I got a Soccer Australia community coaching badge in 1994 and coached up to under-18s until the turn of the century. After that, life got in the way.
Laugh and dismiss my comments if you like. I only offer them as a Pars fan who wants to see his team succeed.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Tue 14 Nov 07:55
Not a bad idea from OzPar, re a strikers coach. I would like to see Stevie Crawford brought in for just that reason, he surely can`t be that busy as manager of Rosyth.
The improvement in the positioning and off the ball running in the short time he worked with Kevin Nisbet was clear to see. I would say when he was with the Pars it`s been one of the few times when I have seen players become noticibly better, that might just be coincidence but I reckon his coaching had a lot to do with it
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Topic Originator: PAR57
Date: Tue 14 Nov 08:25
It`s maybe just me.....I think it is pretty obvious....Wee Joe runs a football coaching school....very well apparently.....
He is well liked etc etc....I think he will help/serve/coach all the Pars youngsters.....from age 8 upwards ????..they will then join the older kids under Greig Shields.....just my thoughts.......
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Topic Originator: ParfectXI
Date: Tue 14 Nov 10:14
It’s quite clear our Scouting department is just rubbish and needs a rehaul. We have a Chief Scout who has a regular 9-5 job elsewhere therefore the chances of them going to see a game down south midweek is impossible. This can be seen in most of our signings over the last few years - they’ve come mainly from the Central Belt or from a connection.
If we desire to be a big successful team again we need to get out there and identify players rather than pick up from Dundee, Hearts etc.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Tue 14 Nov 13:14
Someone is going to get a proper 5/6 nil hiding from us soon and all this chat about guys who play professional football having no first touch or finishing ability is going to be forgotten about.
We are playing some really nice football with a young squad who are very gifted.
I`d be more concerned if we were playing dreadful or the squad was ageing but we are in a very good place at the moment and it looks like we are improving year on year.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Tue 14 Nov 14:53
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weemike, Tue 14 Nov 13:14
Someone is going to get a proper 5/6 nil hiding from us soon and all this chat about guys who play professional football having no first touch or finishing ability is going to be forgotten about.
We are playing some really nice football with a young squad who are very gifted.
I`d be more concerned if we were playing dreadful or the squad was ageing but we are in a very good place at the moment and it looks like we are improving year on year.
I agree Weemike. I have only been to one game I thought we were dreadful throughout and that was Ayr. (Missed Partick and Rovers 2 times :-( ). I have enjoyed being to all the other games, even United where we were undone by another late cut inside to our central defence. I want to be a lucky winner in the next few games instead of plucky, unlucky loser.
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Topic Originator: GG4
Date: Wed 15 Nov 09:00
Topic Originator: da_no_1 like
Date: Mon 13 Nov 08:15
Quote:
alwaysaPar, Mon 13 Nov 06:09
Quote:
OzPar, Sun 12 Nov 22:55
It has become depressingly evident that our attack force is a shambles. On the far too rare occasions the ball advances beyond midfield into an attacking area, my first thought has become, "What new way are we going to find to muck this up?"
McCann`s first touch is atrocious, and he rushes and randomly stabs at shots rather than places them. Jakubiak looks to pass rather than shoot, while Wighton repeatedly is in the wrong spot when opportunities arise.
And then against United, MacPake subs Moffat, the one player who had been scoring goals, immediately after he had done so, knowing that in the previous game, he had scored twice in quick succession.
I don`t think I was alone within the fanbase in thinking this was madness at the time. The more beneficial move would have been to put Todd on for Allan, who was invisible. With KRH coming on shortly afterwards, I would be pretty confident that they could have conjured up a second goal between him, Moffat, Todd, MacCann and Jakubiak,
Totally picked the wrong career path.......
Aye looks like it.....but wait.....did he type that? Or was it someone else hacking into his mainframe?
You decide......
Just can`t help being an utter throbber can you da no1?
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 15 Nov 09:57
Some of you really need to lighten up
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Wed 15 Nov 10:26
Interesting point, I’d love to see McCann get some coaching from an old pro striker about how to ready yourself for a ball into the box and when to gamble etc. would defo help with the decision making too.
Too much of McCanns game is about running about, would help if he was a bit smarter about it so he wasn’t knackered on the occasions when he gets the ball to his feet.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: thebear
Date: Wed 15 Nov 11:07
We all have different views and opinions. So let`s lighten up on each other, we all want the same thing.
Remember great classy football does not win matches scoring .more goals than the other team does. Hence why 2/3 strikers are needed
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Wed 15 Nov 11:07
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GG4, Wed 15 Nov 09:00
Topic Originator: da_no_1 like
Date: Mon 13 Nov 08:15
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alwaysaPar, Mon 13 Nov 06:09
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Just can`t help being an utter throbber can you da no1?
He seems completely incapable of not coming across as a complete roaster honestly. Think he forgets that the purpose of a forum is for discussion
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Wed 15 Nov 15:31
One might have thought that in this day and age there would be plenty data on scoring goals and creating opportunities and that the club would be aware of them, but I guess there is only so much you can do. (And of course, forward play is not all about scoring.)
Clearly we don’t score many goals – last season we scored 63 league goals. When we previously won that division we scored 83.
I don’t think it’s being particularly profound to say there may be two reasons.
I don’t think we create enough chances and we don’t finish well enough when we do.
I think the reason we don’t create more chances is two-fold:
First, our style of play is more about ball retention, rather than getting the ball in the opposition box. As I said after the Raith game, the way we are set up (3 CB, 2 DM) then if we create a chance from the left for example via McCann and Edwards, then we have a forward, possibly one attacking midfielder and the RWB trying to get on the end of it. In a more conventional 4-4-2 we might have two forwards, a wide-midfielder and a runner from midfielder in the box or thereabouts. I would have thought that that would give more options and more chances of a loose ball falling our way (but maybe there are stats on this that say it isn’t true).
Second (and this is related to the first) – as has been pointed out, our strikers don’t appear to be “natural” finishers – the sort that would instinctively be in the right place at the right time. We saw in the last game with the first goal that Fotheringham was at the edge of the box when the initial shot came in, but he was in the right place when Mehmet saved. Nine times out of ten the ball doesn’t come to him. The tenth he scores. Of course, positioning is easier if there are more of you – one can take the front post, the another the back and a third can pick up loose balls, or whatever.
I guess the reason we don’t finish well enough is part confidence, part pressure, part ability. Because we don’t score many, there is more of a requirement to score when we get the chance, so the forwards snatch their chance, or choose the wrong option, and the thing becomes self-perpetuating. Wighton started hitting everything first time last season, and scored quite a few. McCann never seemed to know whether to place his shot, or blast it. If Todd and Bene can chip in with a few goals, things should improve. If they don’t we should certainly try some specialist coaching.
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