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Topic Originator: forever black and white
Date: Fri 5 Jan 21:59
Who`s to blame. What`s changed for last season . Training on astro, warm ups .sports science , there must be something that`s causing so many hamstrings, knees , thigh injuries. Discuss
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Fri 5 Jan 22:00
Quote:
forever black and white, Fri 5 Jan 21:59
Who`s to blame. What`s changed for last season . Training on astro, warm ups .sports science , there must be something that`s causing so many hamstrings, knees , thigh injuries. Discuss
Yes if that`s Jak with a hamstring injury something isn`t right in training knowing that he is injury prone
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Topic Originator: obiwanyouknowme
Date: Fri 5 Jan 22:03
Having a smaller squad means rushing players back. IMO.
Injuries are an excuse for the team just being dog hit
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Fri 5 Jan 22:04
Training on astro, warm ups .sports science
all the same as last season.
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Topic Originator: Jealous Furniture
Date: Fri 5 Jan 22:17
I think it`s just that our squad is so thin that players can`t get a rest. It`s bad luck but also we had a howler of a transfer window in the summer
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Fri 5 Jan 22:21
I said in the summer we didn’t add depth to our squad. Mcpake looks exhausted, needs Cook to step up and get players in asap.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Fri 5 Jan 22:33
Literal evidence that having a small squad is a beyond stupid strategy
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 5 Jan 22:41
How big a squad should a team playing in the Scottish Championship with no regular reserve team football have? We have 23 listed on COWS. I`ve asked this question before but I don`t think anyone has ever answered it. Tonight we were missing 8 of that squad and within minutes Comrie`s injury made it 9. McPake said Summers and Wighton were playing with injuries. How do you anticipate something like that?
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Fri 5 Jan 22:42
Nothing wrong with a smaller squad if the remaining 6,7 can carry the load , if they are wanting then it comes home to roost .
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Fri 5 Jan 22:52
"How big a squad should a team playing in the Scottish Championship with no regular reserve team football have?"
think we had the 3rd biggest squad at the turn of the year.
back to the OP, the one thing that might be having an impact is the StPauli game and the short turn around from starting preseason to that.
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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Fri 5 Jan 22:54
Small squad is fine, if you have the quality to deal with injurys/fitness
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Topic Originator: par_33
Date: Fri 5 Jan 23:08
We were lucky last season, our squad depth was small and thankfully we had very few injuries. We’re paying for it now, we need to strengthen asap, 2 if not 3 players in before next Saturday.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Fri 5 Jan 23:12
🗣️ Miroslav Klose: “At Lazio and in the national team, after each training session, I put myself in a bathtub full of ice to avoid injuries. But the young people on the team systematically refused.
Maybe Kenny was on to something ?
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: The Boss
Date: Fri 5 Jan 23:15
Before the derby the Raith players were out warming up ages before we were and then when we actually got on the park we took ages to start going through drills etc. It just looks really amateurish.
I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
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Topic Originator: par_33
Date: Fri 5 Jan 23:17
The Boss, I did notice that myself, we were awfy late coming out to warm out, then it looked sluggish etc. Who knows what’s going on, but someone should be asking questions.
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Fri 5 Jan 23:17
Trust me it’s not training! They are not pushed to the limits at all. Infact some of the training looks brutal imo and I would be changing the coaches that train them…
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: The Boss
Date: Fri 5 Jan 23:20
I was thinking that myself. You can actually tell when on the park. We’re so slow in build up/first touch etc.
I don’t think this is all coincidence with the injuries. Even our younger players are dropping like flies.
I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
Post Edited (Fri 05 Jan 23:22)
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Fri 5 Jan 23:27
Quote:
Alter Ego, Fri 5 Jan 23:17
Trust me it’s not training! They are not pushed to the limits at all. Infact some of the training looks brutal imo and I would be changing the coaches that train them…
Anyone who’s run a football team themselves know that when the squad is threadbare, you rely on the experience to get you through it.
Problem is, many of our experienced pros shouldn’t even be playing themselves through injury hence my earlier domino reference effect coming into play and in effect we get even more injuries as we try to rescue the situation.
Unless we have spare money to spend, we are facing a real struggle to stay off relegation playoff.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Fri 5 Jan 23:33
"we were awfy late coming out to warm out"....again, the same as last season and nothing changed there.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 5 Jan 23:34
`Trust me it’s not training! They are not pushed to the limits at all. In fact some of the training looks brutal imo and I would be changing the coaches that train them…`
I don`t understand this comment. When you say some of the training looks `brutal` do you mean the opposite of brutal ie too easy?
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Fri 5 Jan 23:44
I think that is what he is suggesting, Wee Eck.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 5 Jan 23:59
Cheers, Oz. I`m just coming to terms with `wicked` being a positive adjective rather than a negative one!
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Topic Originator: tappies par
Date: Sat 6 Jan 02:13
Most teams now warm up for the 2nd half. We never do. A couple of stretches then back to it. Could this be something?
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 6 Jan 02:24
Which is it? They “never do” or “a couple of stretches”
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 6 Jan 05:34
Quote:
GJS93, Fri 5 Jan 23:33
"we were awfy late coming out to warm out"....again, the same as last season and nothing changed there.
The opposition changed then - lower level and majority part time teams meaning less intense games. If you dont train/warm up to the intensity you are expected to play at every week your body will finally catch up…
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Topic Originator: oapar
Date: Sat 6 Jan 06:56
Commented at the Raith game about the different approaches to the warm up. Raith were well into their routines before our team appeared and began their almost lethargic run about.
There has to be something far wrong somewhere with the number of injuries our team are sustaining this year, it can`t be all bad luck.
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Topic Originator: DJAS
Date: Sat 6 Jan 08:39
Quote:
The Boss, Fri 5 Jan 23:15
Before the derby the Raith players were out warming up ages before we were and then when we actually got on the park we took ages to start going through drills etc. It just looks really amateurish.
We were talking about this at the game also. We were discussing whether the levels Raith were warming up then played a part in them getting so many late goals with fitness levels being a bit higher through intensity of training.
Predictor league winner 2012/2013
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Topic Originator: forever black and white
Date: Sat 6 Jan 09:13
There`s definitely something. Warm ups have now moved away from static stretching are more dynamic nowadays. Old school would have you doing both. Do they warm up and cool down properly and for how long .What sort of weight gym session are they doing and what sort of sessions are they doing after weights.is it more ball work than actually running. All these things can contribute to hamstring, knee injuries etc. Of course it could also be the players we have signed are prone to these injuries and have had them before. This would then be down to poor medicals before we signed the players. There are a few injuries that are just a pure fluke like Hamilton Fisher but overall I thing I would be having a look at training programs
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sat 6 Jan 10:07
So the consensus of opinion seems to be that the injuries are down to more than just bad luck, our warm ups appear to be insufficient, we don’t do warm downs, ice baths? nope.
Our whole training regime is under question, our recruitment in the summer was poor, we have signed players that have been injury prone, Jakubiak/OHallaran, and the players chucked it last night to a team rooted to the bottom of the league with a bunch of youngsters.
McPake and McKay were presumably overseeing the training at Dundee when they went up to the SPL so there is really no excuse if we are not implementing a similar regime now.
What a sad state of affairs. All the positivity gained from last season is evaporating.
Some of our injuries are pretty serious and a few of these players won’t be fit until the last 1/4 of the season…..if at all. I dread to think where we will be by then. As stated numerous times, we simply have to find a minimum of three players in this window. As with all signings ( these could be loans or short term deals) there is risk involved.
Our season and the future of this club will hinge on the decisions made by the board and management in the next couple of weeks. Another relegation will be a disaster.
Post Edited (Sat 06 Jan 10:10)
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sat 6 Jan 10:23
So last season, we had the same management/coaching team and virtually the same squad and you could probably count the number of injuries we had throughout the season on one hand.
Are some of insinuating that McPake and Co have completely abandoned last season`s training routine and embraced one which produces serious injuries to players during almost every game?
I can`t be very bright as I`m struggling with this concept.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 6 Jan 10:32
Speculation on this forum very quickly becomes `fact`. For example, do we know for sure that the club doesn`t use ice baths? I have a vague notion that we do.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 6 Jan 10:38
Quote:
desparado, Sat 6 Jan 10:07
So the consensus of opinion seems to be....
Stopped reading right there I`m afraid
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: adj27
Date: Sat 6 Jan 10:38
I’m with GG on this - we had an unusually low number of injuries last season and the opposite this. I’m sure the management team are looking closely at this but I doubt we’re doing much different from other teams.
Andy
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Sat 6 Jan 10:41
I recall Stuart Hogg who was an athletics coach for many years talking about the time he went into football coaching and was at a few clubs Dundee Utd, Rangers, Aberdeen and Peterhead. When he got into football back in those days he introduced the concept of warming up and warming down correctly.
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Sat 6 Jan 10:42
Boss man admitting Summeers played when not fit either (hopefully Celtic aren`t reading that!) so effectively 3 or 4 from that starting 11 weren`t fit fully fit plus Comrie injured now as well.
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"People always talk about Ronaldinho and magic, but I didn't see him today. I saw Henrik Larsson; that's where the magic was."
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sat 6 Jan 10:53
Quote:
wee eck, Sat 6 Jan 10:32
Speculation on this forum very quickly becomes `fact`. For example, do we know for sure that the club doesn`t use ice baths? I have a vague notion that we do.
I can tell you categorically that the club does have ice baths which are used by some of the players. Some use them of their own accord, others grit their teeth and only use them when they are telt.
This is not here say. The subject often comes up during our Pars Tackle Health school visits. I frequently ask the players if they use the ice baths and to explain the benefits.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 6 Jan 10:55
Well that`s one myth exploded! Thanks, GGR.
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Sat 6 Jan 11:20
When you log on you see how many new posts there have been on a particular thread since you last read it.
This morning this thread says “Injuries” (2 new).
The other thread says “Injury List” (11 new). I’m scared to read that one.
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Topic Originator: Kaiser Chief
Date: Sat 6 Jan 11:30
Quote:
GG Riva, Sat 6 Jan 10:53
I can tell you categorically that the club does have ice baths which are used by some of the players. Some use them of their own accord, others grit their teeth and only use them when they are telt.
GG Riva is spot on. The Pars Supporters Trust purchased them at the clubs request a few years ago. There are actually 2 of them, each can accommodate a maximum of 3 players at any one time.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 6 Jan 12:00
Quote:
GG Riva, Sat 6 Jan 10:23
So last season, we had the same management/coaching team and virtually the same squad and you could probably count the number of injuries we had throughout the season on one hand.
Are some of insinuating that McPake and Co have completely abandoned last season`s training routine and embraced one which produces serious injuries to players during almost every game?
I can`t be very bright as I`m struggling with this concept.
I think there`s a genuine question there though. What`s changed since last season? Are we doing more/less of something? Is it to do with the surfaces we`re training on? Have diets changed? Or is it just bad luck?
The only thing I can think of is an increase in psychological pressure. Stress can very easily impact on the physical parts of your body. Is that something we need to look at?
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Topic Originator: The Boss
Date: Sat 6 Jan 12:03
We might have got away with the way we warmed up/trained last season as we were playing lesser teams. This is a step up surely? I mean look at the work rate the Rovers are putting in. That Scott Brown they have puts in a shift every game. He’s like a machine and it’s not like he was a top signing. Boy came from Peterhead. I’ve heard their training is more intense though.
I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 6 Jan 12:09
"I`ve heard....."
Have ye, aye?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sat 6 Jan 12:09
Did we not loose our trainer last season?
The guy was ex army, saw his interview on COWS
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Topic Originator: The Boss
Date: Sat 6 Jan 12:12
Quote:
da_no_1, Sat 06 Jan 12:09
"I`ve heard....."
Have ye, aye?
I have actually aye. The league probably speaks for itself though eh?
I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 6 Jan 12:23
Quote:
The Boss, Sat 6 Jan 12:12
Quote:
da_no_1, Sat 06 Jan 12:09
"I`ve heard....."
Have ye, aye?
I have actually aye. The league probably speaks for itself though eh?
Heard from who?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: livipar2
Date: Sat 6 Jan 12:29
Andrew Tod and Sam Young doing a pretty vigorous session at Pitreavie this morning. Small positives and all that!
Mon the Pars!!!!!!!!!!!
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Topic Originator: GG4
Date: Sat 6 Jan 12:34
Nob no 1 in full swing the day.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 6 Jan 12:41
Quote:
GG4, Sat 6 Jan 12:34
Nob no 1 in full swing the day.
What is your problem? Are you capable of a conversation without name calling?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sat 6 Jan 12:48
Quote:
Kaiser Chief, Sat 6 Jan 11:30
Quote:
GG Riva, Sat 6 Jan 10:53
I can tell you categorically that the club does have ice baths which are used by some of the players. Some use them of their own accord, others grit their teeth and only use them when they are telt.
GG Riva is spot on. The Pars Supporters Trust purchased them at the clubs request a few years ago. There are actually 2 of them, each can accommodate a maximum of 3 players at any one time.
Well, I`m delighted and relieved to learn that I didn`t just make that up. 🙂
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sat 6 Jan 12:52
Quote:
jake89, Sat 6 Jan 12:00
Quote:
GG Riva, Sat 6 Jan 10:23
So last season, we had the same management/coaching team and virtually the same squad and you could probably count the number of injuries we had throughout the season on one hand.
Are some of insinuating that McPake and Co have completely abandoned last season`s training routine and embraced one which produces serious injuries to players during almost every game?
I can`t be very bright as I`m struggling with this concept.
I think there`s a genuine question there though. What`s changed since last season? Are we doing more/less of something? Is it to do with the surfaces we`re training on? Have diets changed? Or is it just bad luck?
The only thing I can think of is an increase in psychological pressure. Stress can very easily impact on the physical parts of your body. Is that something we need to look at?
That`s a fair question, Jake and one only the manager and his staff can answer, but let me ask one in return. Do you think they would be daft enough to continue with whatever innovations they`d brought in this season if the number of injuries kept mounting up after every game?
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: GG4
Date: Sat 6 Jan 14:31
Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 6 Jan 12:41
Quote:
GG4, Sat 6 Jan 12:34
Nob no 1 in full swing the day.
What is your problem? Are you capable of a conversation without name calling?
Are you capable of not being a bell end to others?
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Topic Originator: gordi-b
Date: Sat 6 Jan 16:25
On the subject of training regimes, i attended the open training session as i always do when they are available , on talking to a fellow Pars fan i remarked that
i thought that it was all a bit easy and relaxed no intensity to it , he said he was thinking the same, i dont know if it was just because it was an open day but it certainly wasn,t impressive.
i
G.B
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 6 Jan 16:31
That`s partly my point, GG. The suggestion seems to be the coaches are doing something wrong, but if it was something simple like swapping from grass to astro (or vice versa) they`re not exactly going to keep with it!
My view is what`s happened is some players over-extended themselves last season and we`re playing with niggles. That`s come back to bite them this season.
We need either some signings or some loans to take the pressure off these guys.
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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar
Date: Sat 6 Jan 16:35
GeordiB. Was it you that I spoke to at the Arbroath away game. If not, then someone else thinks exactly the same about our training sessions. Perhaps we need someone else with different ideas to take some training sessions.
matt forsyth
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Topic Originator: k76
Date: Sat 6 Jan 18:31
Quite a few of our injuries have been caused in games (KRH, Breen, Hamilton & Fisher), nothing to do with training.
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