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Topic Originator: Connor560
Date: Sat 9 Mar 22:38
That save from Otoo start of the second half was unbelievable and a potential game winner in the end.
I think if that goes in we`d have applied more pressure and maybe taken the 3 points in the end.
C'mon Ye Pars!
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Topic Originator: NikNakPar
Date: Sat 9 Mar 22:39
Quote:
Connor560, Sat 9 Mar 22:38
That save from Otoo start of the second half was unbelievable and a potential game winner in the end.
I think if that goes in we`d have applied more pressure and maybe taken the 3 points in the end.
I honestly could not believe he saved that. Phenomenal save.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 9 Mar 22:57
Did he know much about it?
He showed a lack of class at the end with his gesture to Pars` fans.
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Topic Originator: Connor560
Date: Sat 9 Mar 22:58
Hundred percent he knew about it.
He did show a lack of class, doesn`t mean he didn`t make a top class save.
C'mon Ye Pars!
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Topic Originator: par58
Date: Sat 9 Mar 23:06
It was a good save no doubt but what comes around goes around and his day will come. So very nasty at the end of the game tells you what you need to know about the man.
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Sat 9 Mar 23:13
Nasty? Hahah get a grip it’s banter at end of the day. If we’d have just beaten them for the 5th time in a row our players would be lording it up too
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Topic Originator: par58
Date: Sat 9 Mar 23:15
Quote:
parsfan97, Sat 09 Mar 23:13
Nasty? Hahah get a grip it’s banter at end of the day. If we’d have just beaten them for the 5th time in a row our players would be lording it up too
Yes nasty and totally unprofessional when he wasted time all half.
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Topic Originator: Bamba-Daft
Date: Sat 9 Mar 23:25
He’s an utter banger, but that save got them atleast 2 extra points.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 9 Mar 23:28
Time wasting seems to be a big issue now as is staying down after a tackle to get the game stopped. Refs are so worried now about player welfare that they always give the benefit of the doubt to the player who probably just wants to break the other team`s momentum.
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Sat 9 Mar 23:53
Swap keepers ,we win that game, one won the game for Raith, one cost us the first goal.
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Sat 9 Mar 23:55
Watched the first goal back, absolutely horrendous keeping. Should’ve pushed it out to the side yet puts it right into the 6 yard box. No wonder the manager wasn’t happy either
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Sat 9 Mar 23:59
Cheer up, we have Deniz for 2 more years .
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Topic Originator: 87Par
Date: Sun 10 Mar 00:09
I heap no praise on no raith goalie. Especially that rat.
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Topic Originator: 87Par
Date: Sun 10 Mar 00:14
It was straightforward. What`s this love in all about
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 10 Mar 00:14
At the time I heard no criticism of Mehmet for the first goal. I`ll be interested to see the replay.
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Sun 10 Mar 00:17
Manager has come out and said poor save for the first goal and he’s got to do better. Does that meet your approval wee eck?
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Topic Originator: 87Par
Date: Sun 10 Mar 00:24
Why is a dabrowski save a thing on dafc.net?
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Topic Originator: hudza
Date: Sun 10 Mar 00:29
It was a cracking save
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Topic Originator: 87Par
Date: Sun 10 Mar 00:32
Otoo should have smacked his hand off.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 10 Mar 00:35
Just seen it on the highlights. **** a duck that`s phenomenal
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 10 Mar 01:16
I`d like to see it for myself, parsfan97. I`m not sure the manager criticising individual players in public is a good thing though.
Post Edited (Sun 10 Mar 01:17)
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 10 Mar 03:27
Perhaps the manager’s patience has worn thin with his goalie, wee eck?
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 10 Mar 06:24
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Sun 10 Mar 03:27
Perhaps the manager’s patience has worn thin with his goalie, wee eck?
Only had himself to blame giving the clown a new deal.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 10 Mar 06:57
Maybe so, Raymie, but I still think criticising individual players in public is bad management. It`s not something he usually does. It`s usually something like `we could have dealt better with the free kick`. The other players must wonder who is going to be next to be singled out.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sun 10 Mar 07:04
The second goal is baffling, too. The only reasons I can think that Miles Welch-Hayes withdrew his body the way he did from the shot was that he was confident that Mehmet had it covered or that Mehmet had called the ball his as it came towards the goal. Either way, it was a true facepalm moment.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 10 Mar 07:43
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 10 Mar 06:57
Maybe so, Raymie, but I still think criticising individual players in public is bad management. It`s not something he usually does. It`s usually something like `we could have dealt better with the free kick`. The other players must wonder who is going to be next to be singled out.
Agree with you, wee eck, but Deniz will know he should have done better and be just as frustrated and disappointed as the manager. McPake may have been even more blunt with him in the dressing room.....
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 10 Mar 07:46
Quote:
OzPar, Sun 10 Mar 07:04
The second goal is baffling, too. The only reasons I can think that Miles Welch-Hayes withdrew his body the way he did from the shot was that he was confident that Mehmet had it covered or that Mehmet had called the ball his as it came towards the goal. Either way, it was a true facepalm moment.
Another sore one, Oz. Two avoidable goals conceded and a wonder save by Dabrowski are the reasons for the better team losing.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 10 Mar 07:52
The meltdown over Dabrowski is hilarious 😂 if we were 2-0 up and our keeper was doing these things everyone would be loving it!
That save is probably in the top 5, if not top 3 saves Ive ever seen in person tbh!
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Topic Originator: 87Par
Date: Sun 10 Mar 08:47
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 10 Mar 06:57
Maybe so, Raymie, but I still think criticising individual players in public is bad management. It`s not something he usually does. It`s usually something like `we could have dealt better with the free kick`. The other players must wonder who is going to be next to be singled out.
He`s had enough and I don`t blame him. How many times can we say we`ve been the better team? His interview was exactly what I wanted. He`s hacked off and not glossing over.
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Sun 10 Mar 10:18
Not sure we were the Better team, means nothing having loads of possession, we created very little chances and didn’t deserve anything
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 10 Mar 10:38
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parsfan97, Sun 10 Mar 10:18
Not sure we were the Better team, means nothing having loads of possession, we created very little chances and didn’t deserve anything
I get what you`re saying. If you don`t score you won`t win and if you concede cheap goals you`ll lose. I wasn`t suggesting we were the better team solely because we had more possession.
Murray thought we were the better team. Do you think he was just patronising us or being honest?
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 10 Mar 10:52
Quote:
GG Riva, Sun 10 Mar 10:38
Quote:
parsfan97, Sun 10 Mar 10:18
Not sure we were the Better team, means nothing having loads of possession, we created very little chances and didn’t deserve anything
I get what you`re saying. If you don`t score you won`t win and if you concede cheap goals you`ll lose. I wasn`t suggesting we were the better team solely because we had more possession.
Murray thought we were the better team. Do you think he was just patronising us or being honest?
Think it`s easier to compliment the opposing team when you have their number. On paper it doesn`t look a lot in it. I said before the game it could come down to them having players who took their chances and that`s exactly what happened. We had chances but none of our players can score goals and could also say the same for the Airdrie game. Couple that with us losing cheap goals like the first it shows in your points tally
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: PARadise
Date: Sun 10 Mar 11:00
I imagine Mehmets cost us around 9 points this season at least and won us very few if any. That’s the difference maker in a season you just have to look at the amount of games Dabrowski has won for the wee team. Terrible decision to give Mehmet that contract and it could prove costly for the manager. Break the bank to terminate his contract
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Sun 10 Mar 11:02
Mcpake thought they were the better team. Think he was being honest too? Like just been said easy to say that when they have our number
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Topic Originator: EastEndTales
Date: Sun 10 Mar 11:03
Literally just watch it back and it`s even better than I thought, and I thought it was phenomenal.
On the other hand if Mehmet is pushing that right back out in that situation he has NO business being at this level. Its straight at him. Hold it or get it wide, don`t fcking knock it back into the danger area. He`s either incompetent or an idiot quite frankly.
Ep.16 of East End Tales is out now with Steven Mill
https://www.buzzsprout.com/1972630/14949749
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 10 Mar 11:05
He`s not an idiot.
I was right behind the keeper when Otoo hit that shot. Phenomenal
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Kozmano1
Date: Sun 10 Mar 11:05
It was straight at him to be fair. Looked a lot more flamboyant than it actually was!
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sun 10 Mar 11:20
That ball was not straight at him. It was net-bound. It was a quality save.
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Topic Originator: Row_ZZ
Date: Sun 10 Mar 11:21
Said it to my brother after the game: that save won them the match. We`d have went on and took all 3 points IMO if that goes in. If only we had a goalscorer, eh?
"A smile might be good!"
"Nothing to smile about in my life"
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Topic Originator: EastEndTales
Date: Sun 10 Mar 11:24
Quote:
EastEndTales, Sun 10 Mar 11:03
Dubrowski save:Literally just watch it back and it`s even better than I thought, and I thought it was phenomenal.
Mehmet blunder: On the other hand if Mehmet is pushing that right back out in that situation he has NO business being at this level. Its straight at him. Hold it or get it wide, don`t fcking knock it back into the danger area. He`s either incompetent or an idiot quite frankly.
Ep.16 of East End Tales is out now with Steven Mill
https://www.buzzsprout.com/1972630/14949749
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Topic Originator: EastEndTales
Date: Sun 10 Mar 11:25
Quote:
OzPar, Sun 10 Mar 11:20
That ball was not straight at him. It was net-bound. It was a quality save.
Sorry I`ve cleared up my post, I was talking about two opposite incidents.
Ep.16 of East End Tales is out now with Steven Mill
https://www.buzzsprout.com/1972630/14949749
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sun 10 Mar 11:32
Sorry, EET, I was replying to the comment by Kozmano1.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sun 10 Mar 11:36
Do we actually have a GK coach,
Mehmet struggles with the ball at his feet,
His footwork/mobility and his uncanny ability to hand the ball to the opposition when he does make a save,
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 10 Mar 11:47
`Mehmet struggles with the ball at his feet,
His footwork/mobility and his uncanny ability to hand the ball to the opposition when he does make a save,`
Yet the other week when the Partick goalie parried the ball straight to MFW you said we were `lucky`! Double standards surely?
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 10 Mar 12:05
Was a great save, big moment in big games call for big players.
The build up was telling, you would have thought otoo was the striker not jakubiak who miscontrols a basic pass and then runs into trouble only for us luckily to get the break of the ball.
Back to being drenched in my own negativity….
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 10 Mar 12:15
Quote:
weemike, Sun 10 Mar 11:36
Do we actually have a GK coach,
Mehmet struggles with the ball at his feet,
His footwork/mobility and his uncanny ability to hand the ball to the opposition when he does make a save,
He`s the Steven mill doppelganger probably would be better with Steven mill.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 10 Mar 12:19
Didn`t Dabrowski gift a goal to Arbroath last week? It`s the life of a goalkeeper more than any other player on the park. Great moments save goals and bad ones cost them.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 10 Mar 12:23
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 10 Mar 12:19
Didn`t Dabrowski gift a goal to Arbroath last week? It`s the life of a goalkeeper more than any other player on the park. Great moments save goals and bad ones cost them.
The problem is Mehmet has cost us a few times this season. Dabrowski has saved more games than he has cost Raith I`d say.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 10 Mar 12:31
I can`t imagine you`ve seen as many of Dabrowski`s games as you have Mehmet`s. Mehmet gained us a point at Inverness and at United from memory. Teams in the Championship seem to chop and change their keepers a lot this season so consistency seems to be a problem. Who was that guy Ayr had in goals last week? I don`t remember seeing him before.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sun 10 Mar 12:41
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 10 Mar 11:47
`Mehmet struggles with the ball at his feet,
His footwork/mobility and his uncanny ability to hand the ball to the opposition when he does make a save,`
Yet the other week when the Partick goalie parried the ball straight to MFW you said we were `lucky`! Double standards surely?
We were lucky the whole game, lucky the keeper was shaky, lucky the first offside went our way, lucky graham`s goal got chalked off, lucky Todd never got flagged off even though he was on. On a other day these things might not have went our way
I don`t understand how it`s double standards cos rovers were lucky mehmet sent it straight back
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 10 Mar 12:49
We could argue all day about what constitutes `luck` in football but it`s stretching it a bit to say we were lucky because a player who wasn`t offside wasn`t flagged offside!
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 10 Mar 13:36
Quote:
parsfan97, Sun 10 Mar 11:02
Mcpake thought they were the better team. Think he was being honest too? Like just been said easy to say that when they have our number
Tbf, he said Raith deserved to win because they scored, not that they were the better team. Do you think Rovers were the better team?
We can all agree the better team doesn`t always win. Look at Man U v Everton yesterday. Everton outplayed United for much of the game but couldn`t score. They conceded 2 pens from rash tackles on Garnacho when United countered and that was that.
Most folk who watched that game would agree Everton were the better team, if they`re honest.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Sun 10 Mar 13:40
And Everton like us are in real danger of going down, due to a lack of goals from strikers when on top .
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Sun 10 Mar 14:03
Too much made of one save from Dabrowski , yes it was a good save , he had another from Josh which he pushed well away from the goals and danger area
this is deflecting from the real problem , We do not score enough goals and even when we get chances we rarely take them ,
As for Mehmet we know he brings to us , and it`s not very much always likely to gift chances to the opposition , like others I cannot understand why he and a few others got long term contracts , This is a different league , a step up playing against a lot of players who are journeymen in this league , so it is what it is and we now need the same players to step up a gear and start scoring goals when we make chances ( which are often few and far between ) the last third is our downfall that is the biggest problem area we have , we do not score Goals and Goals win games
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Topic Originator: Paralytic77
Date: Sun 10 Mar 14:11
That save was just as good as a goal for them, credit where it’s due, probably won them the game and the fact we couldn’t score in a brothel of course
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Sun 10 Mar 14:12
Just seen the highlights, it`s a great save.
David McGurn used to always save unbelievable performances for the derby.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 10 Mar 15:38
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 10 Mar 12:31
I can`t imagine you`ve seen as many of Dabrowski`s games as you have Mehmet`s. Mehmet gained us a point at Inverness and at United from memory. Teams in the Championship seem to chop and change their keepers a lot this season so consistency seems to be a problem. Who was that guy Ayr had in goals last week? I don`t remember seeing him before.
So he has saved us 2 points he`s cost us more than double that. Dabrowski has made a fair few good saves which can be found on their highlights packages.
Our defence (goalkeeper included) isn`t good enough to make up for our shortfall in scoring goals. We have had plenty of chances in the last few games and have failed to take them.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 10 Mar 15:52
Funnily enough I have no interest in watching a Rovers highlights package.
I`m not sure why our defence is suddenly coming in for criticism. Even allowing for the aberration of losing 8 goals in consecutive games we have only conceded 2 more than the Rovers and 4 teams have conceded a lot more than we have. I presume you are raising this because you think it reflects badly on Mehmet.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 10 Mar 17:32
If you read my previous posts you`ll see my point but I`ll make it again. We don`t score enough goals which is a well known fact. So for us to gain anything from games we need to be at least fairly solid at the back. If you go giving teams(like raith who have players who don`t need endless chances to score Stanton, Easton just to name a few) easy chances like Mehmet did for the first goal yesterday we will lose games as we are unable to score.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 10 Mar 17:51
And my point is that we don`t give away a lot of goals and in support of this I stated how we compare with other teams in the league. Most goals in football at any level result from `errors` of some description. Look at the two we scored against Ayr or the three we scored at Firhill. I`m sure Brown and Doolan thought they were avoidable. I suspect our tendency to concede `soft` goals isn`t untypical but these are the ones we see regularly so we think we are the worst.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 10 Mar 19:31
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wee eck, Sun 10 Mar 17:51
And my point is that we don`t give away a lot of goals and in support of this I stated how we compare with other teams in the league. Most goals in football at any level result from `errors` of some description. Look at the two we scored against Ayr or the three we scored at Firhill. I`m sure Brown and Doolan thought they were avoidable. I suspect our tendency to concede `soft` goals isn`t untypical but these are the ones we see regularly so we think we are the worst.
Exactly we see them regularly because it`s happening all too often. Giving Mehmet (amongst others )a new deal was a shocker of a decision and it has shown more than once throughout the season.
Also worth remembering Mehmet held out and signed because nobody else wanted him.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 10 Mar 19:51
No, we see them regularly because they`re the team we support (presumably).
I bow to your superior knowledge of Mehmet`s contract negotiations. It always amazes me how familiar so many fans on here are with the inner workings of the club.
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Topic Originator: back oh the net
Date: Sun 10 Mar 20:12
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 10 Mar 12:31
I can`t imagine you`ve seen as many of Dabrowski`s games as you have Mehmet`s. Mehmet gained us a point at Inverness and at United from memory. Teams in the Championship seem to chop and change their keepers a lot this season so consistency seems to be a problem. Who was that guy Ayr had in goals last week? I don`t remember seeing him before.
No he didn’t what gained us a point up at Inverness and away to dundee United was those two teams inability to finish in those games not calamity mehmets world class goal keeping
Come on ye pars ⚽️
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 10 Mar 20:24
Oh aye, I forgot. If we get a decent result it`s because of the other team`s ineptitude and if another team beats us it`s because of our ineptitude. We haven`t actually earned any of the points we have.
It sometimes seems that this forum has been infiltrated by supporters of rival clubs such is the vitriol directed at our own players and staff.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Mon 11 Mar 06:33
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 10 Mar 19:51
No, we see them regularly because they`re the team we support (presumably).
I bow to your superior knowledge of Mehmet`s contract negotiations. It always amazes me how familiar so many fans on here are with the inner workings of the club.
Thanks mate although if you go back to the manager`s interview you can work it out for yourself.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: chris1883
Date: Mon 11 Mar 08:10
I get the hate for Dabrowski - its a derby and there is rivalry. A simple question though, if you were given the chance to swap Mehmet for Dabrowski today - would you?
Dabrowski has his issues (cross balls, kicking etc.) but he is a phenomenal shot stopper.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Mon 11 Mar 08:22
Quote:
chris1883, Mon 11 Mar 08:10
I get the hate for Dabrowski - its a derby and there is rivalry. A simple question though, if you were given the chance to swap Mehmet for Dabrowski today - would you?
Dabrowski has his issues (cross balls, kicking etc.) but he is a phenomenal shot stopper.
Yes,
He`s younger and has potential.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 11 Mar 08:54
Quote:
chris1883, Mon 11 Mar 08:10
I get the hate for Dabrowski - its a derby and there is rivalry. A simple question though, if you were given the chance to swap Mehmet for Dabrowski today - would you?
Dabrowski has his issues (cross balls, kicking etc.) but he is a phenomenal shot stopper.
I asked my mates dad and uncle, who were hurling expletives at him at FT, if we had won and Mehmet had been doing this, would they care as much? They both said no.
Problem is fans get blinded by emotions during games - Ive seen us be 1 or 2 goals up and our keeper defenders and ball boys all waste time and nobody bats an eyelid - the second it happens against us everyone is furious 😂 the main issue is we dont take the leas that often these days to do this!
Post Edited (Mon 11 Mar 08:55)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 11 Mar 12:19
So we should go for a keeper who has issues with cross balls and kicking over another who has issues with cross balls and kicking? That`s the sort of sound recruitment we`ve been missing is it?
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Mon 11 Mar 12:23
We would not be in any better position with Dabrowski. Has as many howlers as he does spectacular saves. Not saying Mehmet is the answer either but in the championship the goalkeeper is way down the priority list in improving the team
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Mon 11 Mar 12:50
Quote:
king lad, Mon 11 Mar 12:23
We would not be in any better position with Dabrowski. Has as many howlers as he does spectacular saves. Not saying Mehmet is the answer either but in the championship the goalkeeper is way down the priority list in improving the team
Couldn`t disagree more. A GK is one of the most important positions in the squad and instills confidence throughout the whole team when called upon.
One who has a kicking howler in nearly every game and doesn`t command HIS area starts to put fear into the team and you can feel it throughout the stadium.
In 30 years watching the pars I`ve seen Andy Rhodes, Westie, Guido, marco, dorus, stillie, mcgregor and probably a few more.
Mehmet is nowhere near that calibre.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 11 Mar 13:03
And Dabrowski is?
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Mon 11 Mar 13:30
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wee eck, Mon 11 Mar 13:03
And Dabrowski is?
I wouldn`t know, but a strong keeper is almost as important as decent striker. The previous post alludes that its way down on the list of positions needing improved. I disagree.
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Mon 11 Mar 13:32
Westie had his fare share of howlers, ironically i seem to remember one being in a derby at Stark`s Park and he lost his place in the team due to it.
Ruitenbeek was bang average too IMO. Mampaey looked the real deal from memory but didn`t hang around too long.
De Vries and McGregor were top drawer and their careers after leaving us would suggest that. Stillie was good IMO but from memory was just as shy as Mehmet in coming off his line.
One thing from these though is we had, arguably, two bonafide senior goalies battling it out for one position. Now it seems to be one supplemented by a backup or youngster which i realise is probably the same for a lot of teams and dictated by finances to a degree.
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Post Edited (Mon 11 Mar 13:35)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 11 Mar 13:42
You were one of those who said you would swap him for Mehmet, mike, so I presumed you knew something about him.
Having done a bit of research I see he`s 25 and spent 6 years at Hibs having initially joined them on loan from Lech Poznan. During his time at Hibs he played 7 first-team games but most of the time he was out on loan to Scottish League 1 and 2 clubs. I suppose keepers mature later than outfield players but the Championship may be his level.
Post Edited (Mon 11 Mar 13:49)
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Topic Originator: EastEndTales
Date: Mon 11 Mar 13:59
On the other hand we`ve had Lemajic, Smith, Haliwell and Hutton. Mehmet is somewhere hovering just above this lowest tier right now and a million miles from half decent goalies like Butler, van de Kamp and Murdoch.
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Mon 11 Mar 14:01
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weemike, Mon 11 Mar 12:50
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king lad, Mon 11 Mar 12:23
We would not be in any better position with Dabrowski. Has as many howlers as he does spectacular saves. Not saying Mehmet is the answer either but in the championship the goalkeeper is way down the priority list in improving the team
Couldn`t disagree more. A GK is one of the most important positions in the squad and instills confidence throughout the whole team when called upon.
One who has a kicking howler in nearly every game and doesn`t command HIS area starts to put fear into the team and you can feel it throughout the stadium.
In 30 years watching the pars I`ve seen Andy Rhodes, Westie, Guido, marco, dorus, stillie, mcgregor and probably a few more.
Mehmet is nowhere near that calibre.
It`s all about what you want to prioritise, of course I`d love to upgrade on Mehmet, but is he the main cause for the team not doing well? I`ve seen him make saves that have kept us in games, he`s made mistakes that has cost us goals, not sure there`s a current keeper in the championship you couldn`t describe in a similar way.
Walton at Dundee united is a higher level, but is that because they have a better defence than the rest of the league too? Dabrowski can`t catch or come for a cross without spilling the ball. Partick thistle are having a goalkeeper nightmare.
For our level I`d much rather have a bang average goalkeeper and a good bunch of outfield players, rather than the other way around. If we had a functioning attack or an injury free defence I`m not sure anybody would have many complaints about Mehmet`s general performance level this season
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Topic Originator: chris1883
Date: Mon 11 Mar 15:44
If you had an average Championship keeper on Saturday you wouldn`t have conceded those two goals. I`m not saying the outcome of the game would have been different (football doesn`t work like that), but you would have less likely to have walked away with zero points.
As I couldn`t see you scoring (except the save this thread is about), a better keeper would have resulted in more chance to pick up points IMO. If I was managing your team, a new keeper would be the number one thing I would look at.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 11 Mar 16:06
So now he`s responsible for the loss of the second goal too? I thought that was down to not stopping a quick free kick in the corner and Welch-Hayes moving out of the way of the shot?
Do you visit the forums of all the teams in the Championship or are we the only one that gets the benefit of your comments?
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 11 Mar 16:12
Blaming Mehmet for the 1st goal is questionable
Blaming him for the 2nd is lunacy
Triple save from the penalty?
Most of the keepers in the Championship are inconsistent to say the least. Last week that Raith keeper was the villain. This week he`s the hero. Championship fitba in a nutshell
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Mon 11 Mar 16:57
If we keep coming back to questioning Mehmet, then it needs addressing. The same with chalmers, and McCann.
A keeper should be having 1 or 2 bad games a season,
I betcha we are discussing another Mehmet mistake before seasons end.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 11 Mar 17:14
I`m sure you`re right. You forgot Wighton or is that because he`s out for the season? Some folk call it scapegoating. Other players make mistakes which are glossed over by comparison.
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Mon 11 Mar 17:19
Quote:
chris1883, Mon 11 Mar 15:44
If you had an average Championship keeper on Saturday you wouldn`t have conceded those two goals. I`m not saying the outcome of the game would have been different (football doesn`t work like that), but you would have less likely to have walked away with zero points.
As I couldn`t see you scoring (except the save this thread is about), a better keeper would have resulted in more chance to pick up points IMO. If I was managing your team, a new keeper would be the number one thing I would look at.
Creative Midfielder/Attackers are far greater priorities and it`s not particularly close. Everyone saw that from last season but it was not addressed sufficiently in the summer.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Mon 11 Mar 17:28
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wee eck, Mon 11 Mar 17:14
I`m sure you`re right. You forgot Wighton or is that because he`s out for the season? Some folk call it scapegoating. Other players make mistakes which are glossed over by comparison.
Wighton has been poor, but throughout this season it`s seems mehmet, chalmers Allan, and McCann have been focal points of the squad. Allan is the only one who seems to be performing anywhere near what we need. The other three are meh.
And BTW if we offload McCann In the summer I could totally see him becoming a shankland. Such is our luck, but can we afford to keep playing him?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 11 Mar 17:40
Let`s hope none of them come on here looking for a bit of encouragement.
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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar
Date: Mon 11 Mar 18:16
Can anyone tell me if we have a full-time goalkeeping coach.
matt forsyth
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 11 Mar 18:25
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eastendalloapar, Mon 11 Mar 18:16
Can anyone tell me if we have a full-time goalkeeping coach.
There is a coach with the keepers on game day - unsure if he is full time, but Id hope he is.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 11 Mar 18:26
Quote:
weemike, Mon 11 Mar 17:28
Quote:
wee eck, Mon 11 Mar 17:14
I`m sure you`re right. You forgot Wighton or is that because he`s out for the season? Some folk call it scapegoating. Other players make mistakes which are glossed over by comparison.
Wighton has been poor, but throughout this season it`s seems mehmet, chalmers Allan, and McCann have been focal points of the squad. Allan is the only one who seems to be performing anywhere near what we need. The other three are meh.
And BTW if we offload McCann In the summer I could totally see him becoming a shankland. Such is our luck, but can we afford to keep playing him?
McCann may become Shankland with different coaching, nobody really knows. Remember Shankland was a huge prospect at Aberdeen though, who fell off a cliff (attitude wise) before being coached correctly at Ayr and working at it.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Mon 11 Mar 22:42
C’mon, there’s zero chance of McCann becoming a shankland, shankland was 18-19 when we had him. McCann is 23 in 3 months time and is having yet another poor season.
Theres late developers and there’s players who never had it to begin with. Nisbet was roughly 22-23 the season we had him….
Still McCann scores on average once every 10 games (albeit skewed by season in league 1) so he’s long overdue a goal.
Can’t fault the lads workrate but pretty much every other aspect of him game is not at championship level.
I know it’s brutal but we have this conversation ever season and he never gets any better.
Back to being drenched in my own negativity….
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 11 Mar 23:12
I`m going to agree with wee Berkey (shudder) I don`t see Lewis as the next Shankland.
However I think he could quite easily develop into another Jordan Whyte type, I don`t think that`s outwith the realms of possibility.
Out of interest, was Callum Smith another one you wrote off at a young age?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 11 Mar 23:57
Colin Nish was another young striker we probably got rid of too early. I seem to remember Jim McIntyre offered Jordan White a new contact but he, or his agent maybe, didn`t respond by the deadline set so JM took it off the table.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 12 Mar 00:18
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wee eck, Mon 11 Mar 23:57
Colin Nish was another young striker we probably got rid of too early. I seem to remember Jim McIntyre offered Jordan White a new contact but he, or his agent maybe, didn`t respond by the deadline set so JM took it off the table.
Nish was unlucky. At the time we had Crawford and Brewster. He was always going to struggle for starts with our best strike partnership in my lifetime
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Tue 12 Mar 10:58
Callum smith was an interesting one, amazing first 2 months when he broke on the scene, signed a 3 year deal then was posted missing for the rest of it. Seems he’ll do okay now at championship level for the rest of his career.
I certainly wrote off McGill after we had him, he didn’t look anything like a football player but he’s really improved, similar age to mccann but I would rather have McGill at this point as far more effective in the air and on the deck.
Sometimes a player needs a fresh start….this feels like one of them.
Back to being drenched in my own negativity….
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 12 Mar 11:28
I think the lesson is that footballers develop at different rates and seldom in a straight line. Some peak early and stagnate whilst others are slow burners who suddenly ignite. One of the most difficult aspects of football management must be assessing the prospects of young players and deciding whether to retain or release them. Every manager McCann has played under has rated him but I think it`s fair to say he hasn`t realised his potential -(yet)?
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Tue 12 Mar 15:24
Agree wee eck, sometimes it takes players a few years to bulk up and fill out in late teens and early 20’s but mccann has always been a big strapping lad and that’s been on his side for a number of years but it’s the football brain and the ability that’s let him down, not as easy to teach that.
Is the McCann of today better than the McCann of 2 years ago when we went down? I just don’t see any improvement and 2 years ago it wasn’t good enough for this league. He doesn’t have a decent shot on him, is poor in the air, no anticipation and is suspect positionally. Reminds me a bit of Williamson, he doesn’t have an obv position he is good at, he’s not a winger, attacking midfielder or striker.
I remember the same talk about wighton, chalmers and mehmet when we went down and they all stayed as presumably we couldn’t offload to anyone. A relatively poor League last season and some good defensive additions masked our limitations.
Back to being drenched in my own negativity….
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 12 Mar 19:17
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Berkey, Tue 12 Mar 10:58
Callum smith was an interesting one, amazing first 2 months when he broke on the scene, signed a 3 year deal then was posted missing for the rest of it. Seems he’ll do okay now at championship level for the rest of his career.
I certainly wrote off McGill after we had him, he didn’t look anything like a football player but he’s really improved, similar age to mccann but I would rather have McGill at this point as far more effective in the air and on the deck.
Sometimes a player needs a fresh start….this feels like one of them.
Gabby McGill has scored 3 goals in 22 league games this season…..McCann has 4 in 24…….hardly a much better striker if his scoring rates the same
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 12 Mar 19:27
McCann does have a decent shot when he gets it right. He scored with a 25 yard free kick at Hampden earlier this season and didn`t he hit a cracker to win the last home game of the season against Clyde last year? Wighton also had a decent scoring return last season and who knows how fit he was when playing in the first part of this season?
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Tue 12 Mar 19:48
A quick check suggests McGill has only started about half of airdries games where as McCann has been a regular starter so will have many more minutes than him, there’s also assists etc to take into account too.
Wee eck if he’s got a good shot on him how come it’s so rarely he gets it off, he can’t he seem to find that space that all good players do…
Back to being drenched in my own negativity….
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 12 Mar 21:12
There`s no point discussing it any more. Your mind has been made up. No matter what the boy does.
Sad really.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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