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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Mon 23 Sep 12:22
I know not all of us follow the EPL - but I`m interested in the Pars view on the yellows given to my local team (Bottomnal) for `delaying the restart`.
It does seem slightly odd - given that this kind of thing happens almost every free-kick, that only, to my memory, 4 players have been booked for it this season. Rice (second yellow v Brighton), Saliba (v Spurs), Bruno Fernandes (Man Utd vs Southampton) and Trossard (yesterday).
My memory might be being incredibly selective (alas the EPL doesn`t seem to provide data on yellows given and reasons, so happy to hear additional examples not involving Bottomnal), but it does seem that Bottomnal are being punished for this way more than other teams. Do they delay the restart more than other teams, or have they been unlucky?
There seem to be plenty of examples of restarts being delayed (including in the same game as the Bottomnal yellows) that have not been punished in the same way.
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Mon 23 Sep 13:16
I thought Trossard should have been yellow carded for the "shoulder charge" on the Man City player, which amounted to grievous bodily harm. He wiped him out, barged into him with no attempt to play the ball. Going by the highlights, to be fair, it was a very physical game and maybe he was reacting in a sense of injustice to a previous bad tackle on himself, but he badly let the side down with the reckless challenge.
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Mon 23 Sep 13:42
I really don`t think the shoulder charge was a booking. If you watch it he`s tracking the ball and Bernardo actually moves towards Trossard before contact is made. Foul - probably, but not a booking for me (especially after what Haaland got away with later in the game.
Sky have timed the gap between the whistle blowing and trossard delaying the restart at 0.84s - his leg was already in the kicking motion prior to the whistle blowing. It`s actually quite hard to stop a kick once you`ve started it...so I feel Trossard has been hard done by here. As I said above, if every player gets booked for it, fine. But they don`t
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Mon 23 Sep 14:54
Arsenal fans are getting progressively more paranoid as the weeks go by.
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Mon 23 Sep 14:58
That may be the case DA-go. Do you have evidence to substantiate?
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Mon 23 Sep 15:16
Your post about Declan Rice a couple of weeks back, for starters...
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 23 Sep 15:18
Quote:
Paralex, Mon 23 Sep 13:16
I thought Trossard should have been yellow carded for the "shoulder charge" on the Man City player, which amounted to grievous bodily harm. He wiped him out, barged into him with no attempt to play the ball. Going by the highlights, to be fair, it was a very physical game and maybe he was reacting in a sense of injustice to a previous bad tackle on himself, but he badly let the side down with the reckless challenge.
If thats the case then surelt Haaland should have gone too then? Nearly as bad as Harry Kane for putting defenders in danger from his dodgey tactics
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Mon 23 Sep 15:28
Not sure what you`re getting at DA Go. I posted about it because I can`t comprehend how any ref (let alone a whole panel) can look at that incident and conclude that the correct decision was a yellow for rice, and nothing for Veltman who`s deliberately punted him in the shins.
I am quite conscious that I`m looking at this through biased lenses, and am willing to be corrected. But, as I say, give how prevalent delaying the restart is, that 3 of the 4 yellows given for it this season have been to Arsenal players, is an incredible statistical anomaly.
If you can show evidence to the contrary id be really grateful.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Mon 23 Sep 15:51
As a neutral, I`m not really fussed about trying to prove there`s not a conspiracy against Arsenal. I just find it amusing.
I`m guessing that you could find other examples in history of non-Arsenal players getting booked for kicking a ball away after committing a foul though.
Apparently, plenty lost their minds when Odegaard got injured on international duty, too. Virtually arguing for the whole thing to be scrapped.
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Mon 23 Sep 17:08
"Apparently, plenty lost their minds when Odegaard got injured on international duty, too. Virtually arguing for the whole thing to be scrapped."
Not me. That`s a nonsense.
"I`m guessing that you could find other examples in history of non-Arsenal players getting booked for kicking a ball away after committing a foul though."
Yes. I gave one myself at the start of the thread. Bruno Fernandes against Southampton last week.
"As a neutral, I`m not really fussed about trying to prove there`s not a conspiracy against Arsenal. I just find it amusing."
Totally fine. FWIW I don`t think there`s a conspiracy against Arsenal either.
I do think biases, possibly unconscious ones, (e.g Arsenal are `dirty`, Arsenal employ the `dark arts`) affect decision making. I remember a particularly hilarious situation where Xhaka was yellowed for `persistent fouling` after his first foul. That`s entirely down to the referee`s perception of Xhaka as a `dirty` player, rather than anything Xhaka did in the game. I think it`s a similar reason why Arsenal are getting treated differently to other teams with regards to delaying the restart.
As an aside, I do think it`s ludicrous that Michael Oliver is allowed to be paid by Sheikh Mansour (through his company ADNOC) to referee games in UAE for massively inflated fees. In any `normal` workplace that would be a clear conflict of interest and grounds for dismissal.
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Topic Originator: DJAS
Date: Mon 23 Sep 17:27
Quote:
Paralex, Mon 23 Sep 13:16
I thought Trossard should have been yellow carded for the "shoulder charge" on the Man City player, which amounted to grievous bodily harm. He wiped him out, barged into him with no attempt to play the ball. Going by the highlights, to be fair, it was a very physical game and maybe he was reacting in a sense of injustice to a previous bad tackle on himself, but he badly let the side down with the reckless challenge.
Agree with this.
Predictor league winner 2012/2013
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Mon 23 Sep 18:01
^^^
Assume you also agree that Haaland should have seen red (at least two yellows for his antics after the goal and after the restart then)?
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Topic Originator: d3monstrate
Date: Mon 23 Sep 18:48
Did Havertz get booked for the same barge in the first 8 seconds of the game?
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Mon 23 Sep 19:00
No.
Because it wasn`t the same.
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