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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Wed 23 Oct 10:36
A new initiative from the SFA for grassroots football ,"If in doubt sit them out " for teams that don`t have medical staff at their games.
This really needs brought in to the top level as well, Saturday for example Morton player goes down in the box, holding his head, has a quick look up to see if we are still on the attack and waits on the ref to stop the game for a head knock .
He then gets up ,no check at all continues to play, this is blatant cheating , if players who go down holding their head , had to go off for a 5 minute head injury assessment, to be replaced by a sub for the time they are off, this may make the cheating aspect hopefully lessen.
Also on Saturday Chris Hamilton was knocked unconscious, and was allowed to play on , he also should have had to go off for an HIA with a replacement on till he returns .
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 23 Oct 11:01
There`s no doubt going down `injured` is now a tactic used to stop the game or slow down the momentum and rhythm of the opposition when they are on top. Sadly, coaches will always exploit any change to the rules or laws to benefit their teams but it is rarely to the benefit of spectators. One innovation that has helped though is the `multiple ball` system which has generally helped to speed up the game and reduce time-wasting.
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Topic Originator: StevenPar77
Date: Wed 23 Oct 11:02
Yeah, the Morton one some people will say was a great example of shithousery, but to me, it is blatant cheating knowing fine well that the referee has no choice but to stop the game.
The fact that he got straight up and ran should have been sufficient justification for the referee to book him.
As for Hamilton, I would be very surprised if he was unconscious given the injuries last season and that McPake seems to have a safety first approach to those things.
Although I caveat that with bringing players back from injury too soon.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 23 Oct 11:10
I`d be worried for Owen Moffat given he went down 3 times with "concussion" he must be a doubt for this weekend.....
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Wed 23 Oct 11:12
all well and good but in reality wont happen. As a ref first thing I ask a player when I get to him is "are you dizzy/do you feel sick" fortunatly have only had 1 player who really was disorientated following a clash of heads.
Teams wont take off their "best" players as a precaution
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Wed 23 Oct 11:30
Quote:
Playup_Pompey, Wed 23 Oct 11:12
all well and good but in reality wont happen. As a ref first thing I ask a player when I get to him is "are you dizzy/do you feel sick" fortunatly have only had 1 player who really was disorientated following a clash of heads.
Teams wont take off their "best" players as a precaution
No doubt teams will not take there best players off, but the rules should state any player going down holding his head , must be removed from the pitch ,with a replacement allowed to take their place, until or if they are allowed back on ,but they should be made to be off ,for at least 5 minutes ,for the safety off the player, or just to stick it up the cheats .
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Wed 23 Oct 11:52
Think there’s two questions, one is about the impact of injuries (feigned or otherwise) on the flow of the game… the other is about long term player well being.
I agree that it shouldn’t be up to the coaches/manager or even the player themselves to decide, as they will all likely want to stay on the park - but who then?
World be good to understand what other impact sports do, eg I think players go off for medical assessment in the nfl regardless?
is it not the case that it’s often the potential of a second knock on the head (or headers) that actually cause damage?
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Wed 23 Oct 11:53
All for this rule change.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Wed 23 Oct 11:58
Quote:
DBP, Wed 23 Oct 11:52
Think there’s two questions, one is about the impact of injuries (feigned or otherwise) on the flow of the game… the other is about long term player well being.
I agree that it shouldn’t be up to the coaches/manager or even the player themselves to decide, as they will all likely want to stay on the park - but who then?
World be good to understand what other impact sports do, eg I think players go off for medical assessment in the nfl regardless?
is it not the case that it’s often the potential of a second knock on the head (or headers) that actually cause damage?
In rugby league, certainly the NRL, there is an independent doctor who can call for a player to be removed for 10 minutes for a head injury assessment. A temporary sub goes on in their place and the player can return if they pass. If they fail, they can`t play again for 11 days.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Wed 23 Oct 13:27
Matty Todd had a little episode of down he went to full sprint when the ref played play on.
Seems to be part of our game also.
But Morton’s antics were in a different level.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 23 Oct 13:37
If you read the `Match thread` you`ll discover an opinion that we allowed Morton to waste time and feign injury. They were blameless apparently!
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Wed 23 Oct 15:14
Think your interpretation may be a little literal? Was it not that we allowed that to become a tactic?
Think the point was that had we translated possession into s as couple of goals, then feigning injury/general time wasting wouldn’t have been a tactic they would employ
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Wed 23 Oct 15:29
Only real way to stop the blatant cheating, is to take the initiative by sticking the ball in the net and always be at least one goal ahead of your opponents. Owen Moffat was also using the cramp option to waste time. But at least they were scared enough of our attacking threat that they had to resort to cheating to take a point.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 23 Oct 15:39
`Victim blaming` reaches dafc.net! It was only a matter of time I suppose, especially if we are the victims.
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Wed 23 Oct 17:59
That’s competitive sport… you do what you can to disrupt their tactics, impose your own game plan and ultimately dictate what they can and can’t do.
And in the context of any game, the scoreline will dictate behaviour (yours and theirs
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Wed 23 Oct 18:08
Teams will always find way to slow the game down, or kill the game. Since the pass back rule was brought in, clubs have become even more adventurous and although the head knock situation on Saturday became a huge frustration, let’s be honest, if you change that rule then it’ll become something else.
I think we’re better placed now than we have ever been to deal with actual concussion and head injuries, the fact that players use the rule to kill play is just something we have to accept is going to happen…..and enjoy when it’s us doing it, because we will
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Wed 23 Oct 18:19
I think it`s fair to point out that we`re easier than other teams to play against. Only really Chris Kane who I`d say is streetwise enough.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Wed 23 Oct 18:27
The temporary substitution sounds an interesting scenario - but how would that work if a team has used all its subs at a point where a player has a head knock, real or otherwise ?
If an already substituted player were allowed to return to the game, even for a short time, couldn`t that lead to abuse of such a special privilege ?
Post Edited (Wed 23 Oct 19:11)
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Topic Originator: CrossPar
Date: Wed 23 Oct 19:33
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 23 Oct 13:37
If you read the `Match thread` you`ll discover an opinion that we allowed Morton to waste time and feign injury. They were blameless apparently!
That`s not what it said as you well know. You can`t help being a tit can you?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 23 Oct 19:38
Read what you posted!
`we played into their hands by allowing them to feign injuries and waste time...`
I can understand why you`re now disowning your own words but why deny that`s what you posted?
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Topic Originator: CrossPar
Date: Wed 23 Oct 19:51
Let me explain it to you again as you are obviously having trouble grasping the concept. Our inability to score goals and therefore take the lead against teams, in particular at home, is why the opposition are wasting time to hang on for a point. So yes, we are victims of our own ineptitude. They wouldn`t be doing it if they were getting beat.
Hope you got it this time.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 23 Oct 20:10
I understand the concept but I think you were wrong to use the word `allowed` which suggests we did it deliberately.
Civility doesn`t cost anything you know. That`s my last word on it.
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Topic Originator: Lambo1885
Date: Thu 24 Oct 07:54
"The temporary substitution sounds an interesting scenario - but how would that work if a team has used all its subs at a point where a player has a head knock, real or otherwise ?"
I think current rules already allow an extra sub if it`s for a head injury. Also we can name 9 players on the bench, and can only use 5 normally, so there`s players on the bench to use.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 25 Oct 13:25
Quote:
DBP, Wed 23 Oct 15:14
Think your interpretation may be a little literal? Was it not that we allowed that to become a tactic?
Think the point was that had we translated possession into s as couple of goals, then feigning injury/general time wasting wouldn’t have been a tactic they would employ
I was waiting for someone to spell it out for him…
COYP
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 25 Oct 13:26
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 23 Oct 19:38
Read what you posted!
`we played into their hands by allowing them to feign injuries and waste time...`
I can understand why you`re now disowning your own words but why deny that`s what you posted?
🤦♂️
COYP
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