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Topic Originator: Jock Par36
Date: Wed 23 Oct 15:23
The quality of the Scottish Championship, is of poor football
teams. I hate to say that Falkirk are the only decent team in
our league. If they get promoted, they will have a decent chance
of staying up. The rest of us are not very good. Livingston were
the worst team in the Premiership last season and the look
maybe 2cd best in our league, but they have no chance of winning a play
off, if they make it.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Wed 23 Oct 15:59
It isn`t poor because of the players or managers
Nobody on this forum would get anywhere close to being involved at this level.
There is plenty of quality, but they are all terrified of relegation, so mostly set up not to lose.
There is little difference between the individual players and coaching staff at this level. It would take a lot bigger income advantage than we have to make a significant difference.
Most games are won on a rub o the green
Familiarity and equality stagnate the product.
There is no point saying players are crap when they are just being cancelled out by opposition players of equal ability.
Until the league structure is changed, decent players will look poor, and managers will take the flack.
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Topic Originator: Bucuresti Par
Date: Wed 23 Oct 16:25
David Martindale spoke very well about the need for larger divisions a few days ago. I hope others start to speak up about this as well.
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Wed 23 Oct 16:30
Quote:
Bucuresti Par, Wed 23 Oct 16:25
David Martindale spoke very well about the need for larger divisions a few days ago. I hope others start to speak up about this as well.
i hope they do increase the leagues
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Wed 23 Oct 16:36
Quote:
Jock Par36, Wed 23 Oct 15:23
The quality of the Scottish Championship, is of poor football
teams. I hate to say that Falkirk are the only decent team in
our league. If they get promoted, they will have a decent chance
of staying up. The rest of us are not very good. Livingston were
the worst team in the Premiership last season and the look
maybe 2cd best in our league, but they have no chance of winning a play
off, if they make it.
I’d be willing to bet that Livi win the league by 5 points. There’s no chance that Falkirk have the squad depth or alternative playing style to win the league. McGlynn has always been a one trick pony.
Post Edited (Wed 23 Oct 16:36)
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Wed 23 Oct 16:41
The problem is that increasing the league sizes only benefits Scottish Football in the long term.
Short term - we need 4 OF games a season to keep that sweet sweet TV deal. (sarcasm, I know it`s rubbish, but it`ll get worse without 4 OF games).
Short termism wins out over long termism every single time.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Wed 23 Oct 17:55
Quote:
Bandy, Wed 23 Oct 16:41
The problem is that increasing the league sizes only benefits Scottish Football in the long term.
Short term - we need 4 OF games a season to keep that sweet sweet TV deal. (sarcasm, I know it`s rubbish, but it`ll get worse without 4 OF games).
Short termism wins out over long termism every single time.
Aye. Jist ask the Germans.
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Wed 23 Oct 18:12
PARot has pretty much said what I was going to say. I don’t think the league is poor, I just find that with the way it’s set up, teams adopt a must not loose policy which becomes boring to watch
Quote:
Bucuresti Par, Wed 23 Oct 16:25
David Martindale spoke very well about the need for larger divisions a few days ago. I hope others start to speak up about this as well.
I’ve just listened to the Open Goal podcast where he said that, and I’m in 100% agreement with him. I’m old enough to remember bigger leagues and would love to see them return (without B teams).
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Topic Originator: neilholland999
Date: Wed 23 Oct 18:21
Quote:
Kdy Par, Wed 23 Oct 16:36
I’d be willing to bet that Livi win the league by 5 points. There’s no chance that Falkirk have the squad depth or alternative playing style to win the league. McGlynn has always been a one trick pony.
What exactly is McGlynn`s one trick? If he is so predictable, why haven`t all the other managers sussed him out yet?
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Wed 23 Oct 18:29
Quote:
neilholland999, Wed 23 Oct 18:21
Quote:
Kdy Par, Wed 23 Oct 16:36
I’d be willing to bet that Livi win the league by 5 points. There’s no chance that Falkirk have the squad depth or alternative playing style to win the league. McGlynn has always been a one trick pony.
What exactly is McGlynn`s one trick? If he is so predictable, why haven`t all the other managers sussed him out yet?
Well he`s been in management for 20 years now and not won anything outside of League 1. I`d rather be where Falkirk are right now mind you.
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Wed 23 Oct 19:01
Quote:
Bandy, Wed 23 Oct 16:41
The problem is that increasing the league sizes only benefits Scottish Football in the long term.
Short term - we need 4 OF games a season to keep that sweet sweet TV deal. (sarcasm, I know it`s rubbish, but it`ll get worse without 4 OF games).
Short termism wins out over long termism every single time.
lose of 4 plus OF Games can only make people return back to watch the games live
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Wed 23 Oct 19:16
Quote:
neilholland999, Wed 23 Oct 18:21
Quote:
Kdy Par, Wed 23 Oct 16:36
I’d be willing to bet that Livi win the league by 5 points. There’s no chance that Falkirk have the squad depth or alternative playing style to win the league. McGlynn has always been a one trick pony.
What exactly is McGlynn`s one trick? If he is so predictable, why haven`t all the other managers sussed him out yet?
Look at his record with Raith. Started on fire most seasons, as soon as the clocks change and the pitches get muddy his teams struggle. He’s only got one way of playing. Normally once teams have played them once they work out how to play against them.
Don’t get me wrong I’d rather have a manager that plays attacking football, but considering his time in management his trophy record is pathetic.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Wed 23 Oct 21:00
I don`t think you can say that teams are more afraid of relegation this season over any other in the 12-10-10-10 era (which IIRC us actually now the format that has lasted longest, at least post war). The quality of football in many of those seasons was pretty good (the year we won the league under McIntyre had four or five decent footballing outfits) and this year`s league seems to be devoid of that sort of quality. The biggest issue is that Premiership teams get to use 5 subs from 9, which means they stockpile more players which mean fewer good footballers get released or loaned out, and so Championship sides fill their squads up (as we also can use 5 subs from 9) with poorer players; add to that more Scottish players head south at a younger age now even from Championship clubs and you can see why the talent isn`t always there. Ironically, League One is a pretty decent foot calling league now since the best part time players play there and all the clubs play in a less direct way than they once did. League Two on the other hand suffers from part time players playing Lowland League or West of Scotland League for decent money at your East Kilbrides, Darvels, BSC Glasgows etc.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 25 Oct 13:34
Quote:
Jock Par36, Wed 23 Oct 15:23
The quality of the Scottish Championship, is of poor football
teams. I hate to say that Falkirk are the only decent team in
our league. If they get promoted, they will have a decent chance
of staying up. The rest of us are not very good. Livingston were
the worst team in the Premiership last season and the look
maybe 2cd best in our league, but they have no chance of winning a play
off, if they make it.
I’ve got to be honest, I think you’re looking at the first quarter of this season and projecting that forward over seasons disregarding the thousands of variables…
First thing to remember is that Livi have the biggest budget in the league this season so should be attracting more of the better players for this league. Also worth noting that Myles Welsh-Hayes would get into most if not all teams in this league yet Livi have put him on loan. Martindale obviously feels he has better
Falkirk may well go up this season but if they do, they’ll be well up against it and the likelihood is they’ll come straight back down. Apart from anything else, they’d need to rip up the plastic pitch and also find themselves new training facilities while also paying their players more and trying to attract new players. I don’t see Coll Donaldson etc being able to perform at the required standard every week in the premier league.
While working away I done a bit of football tourism and ended up in Pittodrie for a couple of games. I’d suggest the step up from Championship to premier league is bigger than the step up from League 1 to Championship.
COYP
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Fri 25 Oct 14:10
Is it not the case that the last 12 teams to win the Championship have all stayed up the following season - With Utd likely to make it 13?
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 25 Oct 15:38
I`ll hazard a guess that most of the teams that were relegated in that spell really shouldn`t have been down in the Championship in the first place. (Hearts Hibs United Dundee Kilmarnock Ross County etc & also Sevco.
When they do go back up they`re much better placed financially to remain there.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Fri 25 Oct 15:39)
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Topic Originator: SeasonedPar
Date: Fri 25 Oct 16:35
Always interesting to see the opposing teams. So often, they have players who’ve played for us, while we contain players who’ve also played against us. Ethan Ross, Dom Thomas, Todorov, O’Hara, Callum Fordyce, Ewan Murray spring to mind.
It doesn’t help quality when they all seem to know each other inside out. We need a bigger league.
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Topic Originator: MinnesotaAndy
Date: Fri 25 Oct 17:10
Time to revert to two leagues with simple home and away against other sides. Telly money these days is all about the European competitions. Having a couple of extra Old Firm games amounts to zip in the grand scheme of things.
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Fri 25 Oct 21:20
Quote:
MinnesotaAndy, Fri 25 Oct 17:10
Time to revert to two leagues with simple home and away against other sides. Telly money these days is all about the European competitions. Having a couple of extra Old Firm games amounts to zip in the grand scheme of things.
Definitely don’t want 2 leagues, however league reconstruction (without B teams) is a must for me. However it will never happen, clubs will not vote for it because Sky will pull the plug on the telly deal, and SPL clubs know they’ll pull more money in if they are playing the OF twice at home than if they would if they played any of the Championship sides that would come up, or the likes of Ross Co, St.Mirren etc etc
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Topic Originator: d3monstrate
Date: Fri 25 Oct 22:11
What about maintaining the status quo in the Premier, but changing the 3 lower Leagues to two?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 25 Oct 22:19
There are currently 42 clubs in the SPFL. This makes refactoring the leagues a pain.
Split it 22/20 and the 22 team league is playing 42 games per season rather than 38 or 36 as it currently is.
Split it 16, 16, 10 and the two 16 leagues are only playing each other 30 times. This would need a "split" like there currently is, which adds 7 extra games meaning a total of 37 games in the 16 leagues and 36 in the 10 team league (still playing 4x).
I`d argue a 16 team Premiership and Championship would work. It would make derby matches an even bigger draw.
The problem is TV money. The Glasgow duo will be near sell out every weekend so there`s a big draw from the fans who can`t get into Celtic Park or Ibrox. That`s money in the pockets of TV companies. Would a Pars V Falkirk game get the same attention on TV? Unlikely.
So we`re screwed. It`s not about what`s best for the game and what will work in the long run, it`s what makes money in the short term for our biggest clubs.
Wouldn`t it be great if all those TV streams like ParsTV were available to people in the UK for £20pm? Obviously you`d likely just watch your own team but offer the lot and see what happens. It could be good for a lot of fans who can`t get along each week or letting younger kids watch and hopefully getting the football bug.
Probably all pie in the sky unfortunately.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Fri 25 Oct 22:40
Quote:
Bandy, Wed 23 Oct 16:41
The problem is that increasing the league sizes only benefits Scottish Football in the long term.
Short term - we need 4 OF games a season to keep that sweet sweet TV deal. (sarcasm, I know it`s rubbish, but it`ll get worse without 4 OF games).
Short termism wins out over long termism every single time.
The point being missing is it isn’t the TV companies dictating but the actual owners of clubs who vote every year for the status Quo.
Only they can change things.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sat 26 Oct 10:38
Quote:
jake89, Fri 25 Oct 22:19
The problem is TV money. The Glasgow duo will be near sell out every weekend so there`s a big draw from the fans who can`t get into Celtic Park or Ibrox. That`s money in the pockets of TV companies. Would a Pars V Falkirk game get the same attention on TV? Unlikely.
And there lies the problem with Scottish football as the "supporters " walk the streets in club colours having never set foot in Ibrox or Parkhead. The merchandising sides of these clubs is massive because of this, I have a street full of them out here, I will have to ask them for directions to the stadiums!
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 26 Oct 10:43
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Sat 26 Oct 10:38
Quote:
jake89, Fri 25 Oct 22:19
The problem is TV money. The Glasgow duo will be near sell out every weekend so there`s a big draw from the fans who can`t get into Celtic Park or Ibrox. That`s money in the pockets of TV companies. Would a Pars V Falkirk game get the same attention on TV? Unlikely.
And there lies the problem with Scottish football as the "supporters " walk the streets in club colours having never set foot in Ibrox or Parkhead. The merchandising sides of these clubs is massive because of this, I have a street full of them out here, I will have to ask them for directions to the stadiums!
It`s worse than that. Kids wearing Arsenal, Liverpool, Man City tops because they can watch those teams on TV. This is why I think they should have all the games on TV. Get young people engaged and hopefully give them some encouragement to come along.
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Sat 26 Oct 12:06
Celtic and Rangers are on TV a lot but they are usually only on TV at home if it`s against each other.
Every other televised game is away. So you see lots of televised Ross County, Livi, Aberdeen, etc v Celtic but not the reverse fixture.
Keeping those home games 3pm on a Saturday probably helps keep their home support high. One rule for one..
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