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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 4 Dec 06:36
What absolute nonsense from the FA suits. Who could possibly be offended by such an innocuous message, or am I missing something? And is the Ipswich captain also in hot water for failing to wear the rainbow armband?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cdr0j3xyyvpo
I thought we lived in a free country, where differing views and opinions were supposedly respected and tolerated. Oh, the irony.......
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 4 Dec 06:56
I think there`s a good chance folk didn`t manage to stay awake to notice! An awful game.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Wed 4 Dec 07:07
Unless the powers at be make it a contractual obligation then they can`t really complain if players opt out.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Wed 4 Dec 07:49
Where should the line be drawn? Assuming it should be drawn somewhere.
In an extreme example, would folk be fine with a player using his free speech to draw swastikas on a Stand Up To Racism armband?
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Wed 4 Dec 07:58
Quote:
Wotsit, Wed 4 Dec 07:49
Where should the line be drawn? Assuming it should be drawn somewhere.
In an extreme example, would folk be fine with a player using his free speech to draw swastikas on a Stand Up To Racism armband?
I think the drawing on it is silly you either abide and wear it or you don`t drawing on it won`t get you anything other than bother.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 4 Dec 08:15
Surely it`s up to the club to decide if they`re participating and then the player if they wish to join in?
Has any research been done into the effect of armbands on people`s attitudes?
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 4 Dec 08:57
If Guehi wanted to wrote religious motes on it, knowing fine well its against a specific rule, then he should receive a punishment, as he is knowingly breaking a rule:m. What he should have done is the same as Morsy, by saying he didn’t wish to wear it for religious reasons.
Also, nobody should be forced into these campaigns, or chastised for not taking part. For all the good that taking the knee, wearing the armband and having a poppy on a shirt may do for the causes, they also damage them by being forced and causing polarising opinions. James McLean being the prime example of that btw.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Wed 4 Dec 09:06
The idea that the left is in any way "tolerent" and "inclusive" only really works if you bark on command.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 4 Dec 09:13
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Wed 4 Dec 09:06
The idea that the left is in any way "tolerent" and "inclusive" only really works if you bark on command.
The same could also be said about the irony of others though - not backing some campaigns they believe are “woke” but demand everyone wears poppies and chastises them if they don’t do so…..
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Wed 4 Dec 09:25
Funny, I have to put up with all types of religions telling me which god I should believe in and what`s a sin etc. Yet many of the same types of people show no empathy with how people simply choose to live their lives if they differ from the `norm`.
It`s a colourful armband showing support for people in our society who still receive horrific abuse on a daily basis because of who they are or who they love. If that offends you, they aren`t the problem...
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 4 Dec 09:39
Okay just to play devil`s advocate here and generate a bit of a debate. Up here we have the `show racism the red card` event and all the players come onto the pitch with a big red card and stand around the centre circle while the announcer reads a pre written blurb.
How would we feel if a player doesn`t take part in that that, doesn`t hold up the card and just assumes his normal position prior to kick off?
GG, we do live in free country where you can hold different views, even controversial ones to an extent, and not be persecuted by the government for holding them. Doesn`t mean private organisations or individuals have to tolerate them though and their are plenty of viewpoints and opinions I have zero respect for.
The Ipswich captain, who is being lauded back in Egypt for his stand against showing support for this campaign, has never refused to promote betting firms on any top he has worn even though I`m pretty sure gambling is forbidden in the Quran.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 4 Dec 10:04
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Wed 4 Dec 09:39
GG, we do live in free country where you can hold different views, even controversial ones to an extent, and not be persecuted by the government for holding them. Doesn`t mean private organisations or individuals have to tolerate them though and their are plenty of viewpoints and opinions I have zero respect for.
The Ipswich captain, who is being lauded back in Egypt for his stand against showing support for this campaign, has never refused to promote betting firms on any top he has worn even though I`m pretty sure gambling is forbidden in the Quran.
Just to be clear, TOWK, my OP was really about Guehi`s "Jesus ❤️ you" message. I can`t see how that can be deemed offensive to anyone of any religion or none. I certainly wasn`t condoning Morsy`s stance, merely asking whether he would be in trouble as a result.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Wed 4 Dec 10:35
Quote:
Dave_1885, Wed 4 Dec 09:13
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Wed 4 Dec 09:06
The idea that the left is in any way "tolerent" and "inclusive" only really works if you bark on command.
The same could also be said about the irony of others though - not backing some campaigns they believe are “woke” but demand everyone wears poppies and chastises them if they don’t do so…..
I should have added, I care little for the right either.
Supporting people has become somewhat dictatorial.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 4 Dec 10:44
GG, other than Geuhi breaking the rule about not displaying religious or political messages I`m not sure what he`s done wrong. If anything the message he`s displayed seems to be in support of the lgbt community or maybe there is an angle I`m just not seeing.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 4 Dec 10:48
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Wed 4 Dec 09:39
Okay just to play devil`s advocate here and generate a bit of a debate. Up here we have the `show racism the red card` event and all the players come onto the pitch with a big red card and stand around the centre circle while the announcer reads a pre written blurb.
How would we feel if a player doesn`t take part in that that, doesn`t hold up the card and just assumes his normal position prior to kick off?
GG, we do live in free country where you can hold different views, even controversial ones to an extent, and not be persecuted by the government for holding them. Doesn`t mean private organisations or individuals have to tolerate them though and their are plenty of viewpoints and opinions I have zero respect for.
The Ipswich captain, who is being lauded back in Egypt for his stand against showing support for this campaign, has never refused to promote betting firms on any top he has worn even though I`m pretty sure gambling is forbidden in the Quran.
It`s an interesting one, but I`d say it depends on a few things. One is the specific cause. "Show racism the red card" is one of many campaigns. It wouldn`t make you racist to not support that particular one in the same way donating to Macmillan but not Cancer Research doesn`t mean you support cancer.
I think people need to accept things aren`t black and white and essentially pressuring or forcing people to do things they may not believe in makes serious issues like homophobia and racism worse, not better.
I long for the day we don`t need to be "LGBT friendly" or "inclusive" and it`s just a case of you treat everyone with the respect they deserve regardless of their skin colour or who they share a bed with.
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Topic Originator: Athletico
Date: Wed 4 Dec 11:33
If Guehi writes `Jesus loves you` on every armband he wears, then there is no issue. But he has clearly done this to provoke.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 4 Dec 11:41
Quote:
Athletico, Wed 4 Dec 11:33
If Guehi writes `Jesus loves you` on every armband he wears, then there is no issue. But he has clearly done this to provoke.
I`m intrigued, Athletico. Who do you think he`s trying to provoke? Genuine question.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Athletico
Date: Wed 4 Dec 12:03
Because it`s quite clear he has done it to prove a point, where as he could simply have refused to wear it. Christian teachings for the most part in African countries - homosexuality is a sin and in some countries, a crime. Guehi is from the Ivory Coast, a country where LGBTQ+ are persecuted and imprisoned.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Wed 4 Dec 13:13
Quote:
GG Riva, Wed 4 Dec 11:41
Quote:
Athletico, Wed 4 Dec 11:33
If Guehi writes `Jesus loves you` on every armband he wears, then there is no issue. But he has clearly done this to provoke.
I`m intrigued, Athletico. Who do you think he`s trying to provoke? Genuine question.
That`s what I`m wondering. I didn`t see it as a poke or protest. I thought maybe he is a liberal Christian pointing out, quite rightly, that Jesus loves everyone.
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Topic Originator: theparsman1885
Date: Wed 4 Dec 13:56
PARrot wrote:
> Quote:
GG Riva, Wed 4 Dec 11:41
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> Quote:
Athletico, Wed 4 Dec 11:33
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> If Guehi writes `Jesus loves you` on every armband he wears,
> then there is no issue. But he has clearly done this to
> provoke.
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> I`m intrigued, Athletico. Who do you think he`s trying to
> provoke? Genuine question.
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> That`s what I`m wondering. I didn`t see it as a poke or
> protest. I thought maybe he is a liberal Christian pointing
> out, quite rightly, that Jesus loves everyone.
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> Post Edited (Wed 04 Dec 13:14)
Except that’s not the case for many religions sadly, where LGBTQ people are outcast and are seen as sinners.
For further evidence of how this is manifested, just do yourself a favour next time there is a football club with a pride support message on social media, and have a cursory look into the comments section. There you will find lots of profiles with heavy religious support plastered through their profiles and pictures - all commenting very openly with hate against that community.
IMO, he’s written that message clearly in detriment to the campaign. Others here have pointed out a similar argument with the racism campaign. Imagine a player had done similar with that campaign? He wouldn’t be getting the level of “support” that this one has.
I think if you put yourself in the mind-frame of an LGbTQ person, or even a close relative of one when in these conversations it makes the issue clearer.
Now whether or not these campaigns do any good is another question, but then where does it start and stop. Personally I’d prefer if it was all just dropped, but then the questions like “including remembrance events?” come up and that’s a whole different game.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 4 Dec 15:21
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Wed 4 Dec 10:44
GG, other than Geuhi breaking the rule about not displaying religious or political messages I`m not sure what he`s done wrong. If anything the message he`s displayed seems to be in support of the lgbt community or maybe there is an angle I`m just not seeing.
You contradict yourself here TOWK - you say that he has broken the rules then say you cant see what he has done wrong, all in once sentence……he was told by the FA at the weekend what he had done wrong, then proceeded to do the same thing midweek, clearly aiming to provoke a reaction.
Post Edited (Wed 04 Dec 15:38)
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 4 Dec 15:32
Keep religion, politics, causes out of football.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Wed 4 Dec 15:40
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Wed 4 Dec 10:35
Quote:
Dave_1885, Wed 4 Dec 09:13
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Wed 4 Dec 09:06
The idea that the left is in any way "tolerent" and "inclusive" only really works if you bark on command.
The same could also be said about the irony of others though - not backing some campaigns they believe are “woke” but demand everyone wears poppies and chastises them if they don’t do so…..
I should have added, I care little for the right either.
Supporting people has become somewhat dictatorial.
It’s no longer support if you have to do it
COYP
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Wed 4 Dec 16:03
I`ve been making a similar argument about poppies for 20 years, basically since Blair politicised It to shore up support for the unpopular war in Iraq.
I agree that we shouldn`t force people to take a stand in any cause or campaign, so I`m glad that folk who are a bit more right-leaning are beginning to come around to my way of thinking.
However , I do not agree that folk should be lauded if they agree to support a cause then try to hijack it to promote their own preferred messages. I wouldn`t, for example, want someone to draw a CND logo on their poppy, even if I would agree with that sentiment. Either take part or don`t.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Wed 4 Dec 16:38
Quote:
NMCmassive, Wed 4 Dec 15:40
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Wed 4 Dec 10:35
Quote:
Dave_1885, Wed 4 Dec 09:13
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Wed 4 Dec 09:06
The idea that the left is in any way "tolerent" and "inclusive" only really works if you bark on command.
The same could also be said about the irony of others though - not backing some campaigns they believe are “woke” but demand everyone wears poppies and chastises them if they don’t do so…..
I should have added, I care little for the right either.
Supporting people has become somewhat dictatorial.
It’s no longer support if you have to do it
That`s my point.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 4 Dec 16:39
No contradiction at all Dave, that why I started the sentence with "other than".
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 4 Dec 16:42
Quote:
Athletico, Wed 4 Dec 12:03
Because it`s quite clear he has done it to prove a point, where as he could simply have refused to wear it. Christian teachings for the most part in African countries - homosexuality is a sin and in some countries, a crime. Guehi is from the Ivory Coast, a country where LGBTQ+ are persecuted and imprisoned.
Two points;
1. You haven`t said who you think he`s trying to provoke, and
2. You have inferred that because he was born in Ivory Coast, he will automatically embrace that country`s culture and religious teachings.
He came to live in England when he was just a year old. My family emigrated to Scotland from Italy when I was 7. My thinking is far more aligned to Scottish values and culture than those of my native country. Like Guèhi, I grew up here, so this land has shaped my philosophy and beliefs.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 4 Dec 16:45
Quote:
Dave_1885, Wed 4
You contradict yourself here TOWK - you say that he has broken the rules then say you cant see what he has done wrong, all in once sentence……he was told by the FA at the weekend what he had done wrong, then proceeded to do the same thing midweek, clearly aiming to provoke a reaction.
Do you think Guèhi was sticking up two fingers to the FA, Dave?
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Wed 4 Dec 16:45
I don`t agree that he was fine to take someone else`s message and use it to promote his own.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Wed 4 Dec 17:47
Forcing people to wear armbands has a problematic history.
My wife walked out on a job when she was required to wear a rainbow lanyard as part of this ideological authoritarianism, she is now in a better job.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Wed 4 Dec 17:50
A truly harrowing tale. We can only be glad that you spared us any more detail.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Wed 4 Dec 18:40
Quote:
Bletchley_Par, Wed 4 Dec 17:47
Forcing people to wear armbands has a problematic history.
My wife walked out on a job when she was required to wear a rainbow lanyard as part of this ideological authoritarianism, she is now in a better job.
She must really hate LGBT+ people to walk out a job over something so trivial
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 4 Dec 18:50
Quote:
red-star-par, Wed 4 Dec 18:40
Quote:
Bletchley_Par, Wed 4 Dec 17:47
Forcing people to wear armbands has a problematic history.
My wife walked out on a job when she was required to wear a rainbow lanyard as part of this ideological authoritarianism, she is now in a better job.
She must really hate LGBT+ people to walk out a job over something so trivial
TBH I don`t know how long I could deal with customers in ASDA either.
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Wed 4 Dec 19:54
Quote:
DA-go Par Adonis, Wed 4 Dec 17:50
A truly harrowing tale. We can only be glad that you spared us any more detail.
What the mind conjures is worse, please spare us from this fate.
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Wed 4 Dec 20:12
Why are players pressured into wearing anything about LGBT/taking the knee before games or anything due to folk being gay or religion?
Who cares, the players are playing a game of football where fans go to just watch football and support their team…. As for the guy writing Jesus love blah blah on a LGBT sleeve….who cares..get this nonesense out of football.
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Wed 4 Dec 20:34
Getting it out of football is the entire point.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Wed 4 Dec 20:58
I see Manchester United were due to wear some kind of rainbow jacket before the match but one player didn`t fancy it due to religious reasons, so the whole squad didn`t bother with them showing their solidarity as a team.
Personally, I wouldn`t wear a rainbow arm band, lanyard, badge or whatever if it was my own choice. If an employer was forcing me to wear one, I`m not sure how I`d feel about that, I guess they pay their money so it`s their choice, no real skin of my nose. Fair play to anyone that is LGBT+ or feels so strongly about it that they want to wear one, that`s up to them, but don`t force people to wear it if they don`t want to.
You can do what you want as long as yer not ramming it down my throat (literally or metaphorically).
I do find the whole Pride thing a bit weird, not quite sure why folk feel the need to discuss their sexuality or preferences. I like women with big chebs but I don`t go around shouting it from the rooftops or wearing it on a badge
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Wed 4 Dec 20:59
Quote:
Alter Ego, Wed 4 Dec 20:12
Why are players pressured into wearing anything about LGBT/taking the knee before games or anything due to folk being gay or religion?
Who cares, the players are playing a game of football where fans go to just watch football and support their team…. As for the guy writing Jesus love blah blah on a LGBT sleeve….who cares..get this nonesense out of football.
That’s my thoughts on it
Like when are we going to get on with a game?
COYP
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Wed 4 Dec 21:34
It will never end.. and all this nonsense with LGBT and religion being pushed through football is just a joke…
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Wed 4 Dec 21:41
Quote:
Alter Ego, Wed 4 Dec 21:34
It will never end.. and all this nonsense with LGBT and religion being pushed through football is just a joke…
How is a one week a year campaign to show inclusivity "LGBT being pushed through football" ?
What (be specific) are you worried about? You do realise there`s an overwhelming chance that a Pars fan from the LGBT community will be reading this thread? What (specifically) bothers you about a rainbow armband once a year?
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Wed 4 Dec 21:55
Yes, It`s been very clear for a couple of decades, at least, that there`s an organised campaign to force society to endorse LGBT+++ ideology and even promote it. There was the well known court case in Northern Ireland where Christian Bakers were being pressured to bake a wedding cake with a Gay theme. The Christian bakers won the case.
As far as the writing on the armband is concerned, why is it so bad? Of course, I`m a well known religious zealot and I love those words of the Apostle Paul in Philippians chapter 1v 15 -18
"It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of good will. The latter do so in love, knowing that I am put here( in prison) for the defence of the gospel. The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains. But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether by false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice."
Football is great but there`s something very much more important and many of our young African friends are like the apostle Paul, not ashamed of the gospel, because it`s the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes.
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Wed 4 Dec 21:56
Why is there a campaign to show LGBT for 1 week and how should this be involved in a football match?
Should the players take the knee aswell?
These players train all week to play a game of football on a Saturday..Who cares about anything outside of football when you are supporting your team on a matchday..🤷 They shouldn’t be involved in any LGBT/gay promotions on a matchday imo.
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Wed 4 Dec 22:03
Quote:
Alter Ego, Wed 4 Dec 21:56
Why is there a campaign to show LGBT for 1 week and how should this be involved in a football match?
Should the players take the knee aswell?
These players train all week to play a game of football on a Saturday..Who cares about anything outside of football when you are supporting your team on a matchday..🤷 They shouldn’t be involved in any LGBT/gay promotions on a matchday imo.
To grow the game? To show that LGBTQ fans are welcome? To try and cut down on homophobic abuse? To try and show that LGBTQ players are welcome and don`t end up like poor Justin Fashanu?
4 reasons off the top of my head on a subject I barely think about. Have kick off times been impacted? Why is this impossible for you to ignore? Why, specifically, does it bother you?
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Wed 4 Dec 22:14
So for those saying players shouldn’t wear a rainbow armband or take the knee, and that football should be about football… do you feel the same about the whole minutes silence / poppy on shirts thing? Or minute silence for the queen when she died? Etc
Genuine question?
For me, I wouldn’t wear a poppy on my shirt, but I also wouldn’t wear a rainbow armband and would have stayed in the dressing room during the queens minutes silence
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Topic Originator: theparsman1885
Date: Thu 5 Dec 04:26
There’s a very simple reason why people have a problem with the LGBT movement and rainbow armbands, but don’t have the same energy against kicking racism out.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Thu 5 Dec 04:50
Here is a genuine question.
When was the last time anyone witnessed an LGBT person being abused?
I can`t remember the last incident I witnessed. Not in person anyway. Maybe some abuse from far right religious types on tv.
I recon in most democratic countries, they are fairly represented and accepted.
I don`t get all the demos and Pride celebrations.
If you want to be accepted as normal, just be gay and get on with it. Why the need to make a show of it. Just be normal.
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Topic Originator: pars4life1
Date: Thu 5 Dec 05:10
You must live a very sheltered life if you`re not noticing homophobia on a regular basis PaRrot.
The fact you don`t get pride suggests you don`t get why LBGTQ people might have felt oppressed which is ****** wild
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Thu 5 Dec 07:16
It`s a tricky one. I definitely don`t think we should use the Bible to inform our attitude to LGBTQ+. I favour the Native Americans tolerant treatment of those members of their tribes who were "different."
A gay friend of mine, who is a wonderful human being, makes a point of telling people he meets for the first time that he`s married to a man. I don`t have the courage to ask him why he feels it`s necessary to do that. Unless someone asked me if I`m married, I wouldn`t feel the urge to tell them I`m married to a woman. I`m guessing they want to be accepted as not being "different " but normal.
Many years ago, I settled down to watch a TV documentary about Elton John. It was billed as The Man and his Music. I was really looking forward to it but I ended up switching channels after about 10 minutes. He`d been talking about how he took the USA by storm in his first visit there. It was Beatlemania all over again. He then said that on the way home he had sex for the first time. On the plane and with another man.
Why did he feel the need to reveal this to his TV audience? I couldn`t handle that as a young man at the time, so I changed channels. Now that I`m older and hopefully wiser, I think I`d probably watch it through to the end as I do like his music, but I still don`t think it`s necessary to reveal details of your private life to all and sundry, although I concede that it`s your right to do so if you wish.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Thu 5 Dec 07:54
Quote:
PARrot, Thu 5 Dec 04:50
Here is a genuine question.
When was the last time anyone witnessed an LGBT person being abused?
I can`t remember the last incident I witnessed. Not in person anyway. Maybe some abuse from far right religious types on tv.
I recon in most democratic countries, they are fairly represented and accepted.
I don`t get all the demos and Pride celebrations.
If you want to be accepted as normal, just be gay and get on with it. Why the need to make a show of it. Just be normal.
Must be a full 3 weeks since Tottenham were charged due to homophonic chanting from their fans...
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 5 Dec 08:49
Quote:
PARrot, Thu 5 Dec 04:50
Here is a genuine question.
When was the last time anyone witnessed an LGBT person being abused?
I can`t remember the last incident I witnessed. Not in person anyway. Maybe some abuse from far right religious types on tv.
I recon in most democratic countries, they are fairly represented and accepted.
I don`t get all the demos and Pride celebrations.
If you want to be accepted as normal, just be gay and get on with it. Why the need to make a show of it. Just be normal.
Matt Lucas posted a tweet yesterday stating he’s received homophobic abuse twice this season whilst walking to games, including one saying “the club didn’t want gay fans like him”.
“Just be normal” 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ wow, thats some comment. So being a bit out there and flamboyant isn’t normal because you say so? 🤔
Genuine question here - do you get offended/annoyed/angry when people tell you God and Jesus aren’t real and you should “just be normal”?
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Topic Originator: SusieQ
Date: Thu 5 Dec 09:51
Anyone that gets upset (to any degree) over the colour / colours of a sporting captain`s armband is a very sad individual imo.
How exactly does it impact YOUR life, or YOUR enjoyment of the event?!
Some of the views on this thread show EXACTLY why Pride is still needed.
I agree that no one should care if someone is straight, gay, bi or whatever but unfortunately too many still do & far too many countries still have anti LGBTQIA+ laws.
It`s 2024 ffs.
COME ON YE PARS!
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Thu 5 Dec 10:42
The most powerful and fruitful preacher of the Christian gospel, in Scotland, in my lifetime, was a man who had same sex attraction. He knew very well what the Bible taught about same sex relationships and because of his love for God, Jesus and the Bible, he remained celibate for the whole of his life. As a result of his devotion to Christ and the gospel, God was pleased to bless his ministry and many hundreds or even thousands, including myself, gave thanks to God for his life. We are all sinners but Jesus Christ came into the world to save sinners.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Thu 5 Dec 10:53
Quote:
Dave_1885, Thu 5 Dec 08:49
Quote:
PARrot, Thu 5 Dec 04:50
Here is a genuine question.
When was the last time anyone witnessed an LGBT person being abused?
I can`t remember the last incident I witnessed. Not in person anyway. Maybe some abuse from far right religious types on tv.
I recon in most democratic countries, they are fairly represented and accepted.
I don`t get all the demos and Pride celebrations.
If you want to be accepted as normal, just be gay and get on with it. Why the need to make a show of it. Just be normal.
Matt Lucas posted a tweet yesterday stating he’s received homophobic abuse twice this season whilst walking to games, including one saying “the club didn’t want gay fans like him”.
“Just be normal” 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ wow, thats some comment. So being a bit out there and flamboyant isn’t normal because you say so? 🤔
Genuine question here - do you get offended/annoyed/angry when people tell you God and Jesus aren’t real and you should “just be normal”?
No, I don`t.
I certainly don`t live a sheltered life, and I seriously don`t see any homophobic abuse. I know it happens obviously, but now you mention it, I see far more intolerance of religion on here than homophobia.
I work in a very inclusive environment.
Sad to hear it still happens so much, but really, I don`t see it in every day life.
There is nothing wrong with being flamboyant. I'm pretty sure you know what I mean. Just be yourself. I accept there is a.need for continued efforts to promote acceptance of diversity if it is still a big problem.
I just don't see it happening.
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Topic Originator: the saline hill puma
Date: Thu 5 Dec 11:22
Quote:
SusieQ, Thu 5 Dec 09:51
Anyone that gets upset (to any degree) over the colour / colours of a sporting captain`s armband is a very sad individual imo.
How exactly does it impact YOUR life, or YOUR enjoyment of the event?!
Some of the views on this thread show EXACTLY why Pride is still needed.
I agree that no one should care if someone is straight, gay, bi or whatever but unfortunately too many still do & far too many countries still have anti LGBTQIA+ laws.
It`s 2024 ffs.
To flip your question on its head ....why do people get upset and into a big frenzy when a player chooses not to participate? Afterall it didn`t effect them in any way whether it`s worn or not.
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Thu 5 Dec 11:45
Agree with that too. I think it`s within people`s rights to peacefully object too and us to not get in a tizz about it. In fact, it`s a good thing as it provokes debate.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Thu 5 Dec 12:05
You`ve got to respect anyone`s right not to take part. Equally, it`s fair to ask why they oppose the initiative.
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Equal rights and justice in this time
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Thu 5 Dec 12:22
Why should they have to explain themselves as if they were being held to account for not doing something that wasn`t obligatory.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Thu 5 Dec 14:31
I`d have to explain myself if I chose not to participate in a work initiative, why should footballers be exempt?
Fwiw, my employer would probably give me a pass if I had a good reason. However, I do not consider religious faith a good reason not to take part in an employer`s LGBT initiative, just as I wouldn`t consider being a BNP supporter a good reason for not participating in an employer`s anti-racism initiative. Nobody is forced to play football, football regularly supports diversity focused initiatives and other jobs are available - that`s the obvious solution right there.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Thu 5 Dec 17:07
Struggling hard to see this as a "work initiative". Or that it has anything to do with the game of football. It`s an organised campaign by activists to force their views on others.
Post Edited (Thu 05 Dec 17:26)
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Thu 5 Dec 19:22
Some "interesting" but not surprising comments on here. I`ve done my best to address some of them below:
"I do find the whole Pride thing a bit weird, not quite sure why folk feel the need to discuss their sexuality or preferences. I like women with big chebs but I don`t go around shouting it from the rooftops or wearing it on a badge" - red-star-par
Can you be disowned by your family, shunned by your friends, discriminated against at work, verbally and physically abused or even killed because you like women with large breasts? Huge if true.
"They shouldn’t be involved in any LGBT/gay promotions on a matchday imo." - Alter Ego
Oh, it`s gay promotion now? Ah right. I must have missed the bit where it said they prefer gay fans over straight ones. Or that one should be LGBT. Or that that lifestyle choice is the best one. Or the only one. I must have missed all the press conferences where players and managers said they were hoping to see LGBT supporters and nobody else or that from now on they were only going to sign gay players? I must have missed the videos that went into graphic detail about why being gay was so much better than being straight.
"When was the last time anyone witnessed an LGBT person being abused?" - PARrot
Personally as in heard it said? Last week. Online? A few hours ago.
"I don`t get all the demos and Pride celebrations." - PARrot
Lots of people didn`t get the point of Civil Rights marches, or of the Suffragette movement. If you haven`t experienced the stigma and the discrimination then maybe its hard to. As a compassionate human I can, maybe it`ll take someone you know to be in that position to change your mind?
"If you want to be accepted as normal, just be gay and get on with it. Why the need to make a show of it. Just be normal" - PARrot
Haha! "Normal" what does that mean? You know what, I can probably guess. There is no normal anyway. And who is making a show of it? Pride comes from the idea that you shouldn`t be a ashamed of your sexuality, you should be proud of yourself no matter what. There are millions of people who are gay or bi or whatever who do keep themselves to themselves through choice but there are many more who do so out of fear. Fear of being "outed" of being ostracised, of being shunned... As a straight white male you don`t have to worry about that. Although if you want to go down that route, why do you make a show of being a family man by having a family photo and link to your Facebook profile on a football website? Nobody else does that. Just be normal...
"We are all sinners but Jesus Christ came into the world to save sinners." - paralax
Wow. It takes a certain kind of arrogance to say that everyone - from the tiniest baby to the oldest elderly lady in a nursing home is a sinner. Is it any wonder why so many people reject the utter nonsense of religious indoctrination these days?
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Thu 5 Dec 19:23
[Continues]
"Afterall it didn`t effect them in any way whether it`s worn or not." -the saline hill puma.
Of course it affects people. If you are gay or bi or whatever and you see your favourite player or team doesn`t agree with you being included as part of that team you`re going to be upset. It`ll reinforce the idea that you are different and you don`t belong. It`ll go a long way to reinforce the idea that football is for straight males only.
"It`s an organised campaign by activists to force their views on others." - paralex
Of course it`s organised, otherwise you wouldn`t get the buy in. Activists they may be, but that is how things get done. Usually over time, and it tries to get things changed. As to forcing their views, is it more forceful than shirt sponsorship? It is more forceful than the poppy, which is worn for much longer and has much more fanfare? And is telling people that they are part of the team and society at large something that needs to be "forced" anyway? It shouldn`t be and yet here we are.
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Thu 5 Dec 20:02
Brilliant stuff Kelty.
Parts of this thread remind me of Jeanette Winterson`s autobiography, titled after something her disapproving mother once said to her: Why be happy when you could be normal?
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The universe is ruled by chance and indifference
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Thu 5 Dec 20:03
Meanwhile the 2034 World Cup is going to Saudi Arabia.
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Thu 5 Dec 20:50
Very selective in your assimilation of the various views Kelty and obviously with a drum to beat, of your own. The trouble is that LGBT doctrine is not harmless. We all know that they are trying to push it in all walks of life, even our primary schools. Thank the Lord that Nicola has been deposed. Her "progressive" theories have been exposed for the nonsense that they are. Nice to hear that you`re not a sinner Kelty. First one I have ever come across. Why put up a smokescreen and bring children into it. My main aim in this issue is to protect my 3 grandchildren from someone in a school classroom trying to indoctrinate them in LGBT philosophy before they`re out of primary 1.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 5 Dec 20:52
Quote:
Paralex, Thu 5 Dec 20:50
Very selective in your assimilation of the various views Kelty and obviously with a drum to beat, of your own. The trouble is that LGBT doctrine is not harmless. We all know that they are trying to push it in all walks of life, even our primary schools. Thank the Lord that Nicola has been deposed. Her "progressive" theories have been exposed for the nonsense that they are. Nice to hear that you`re not a sinner Kelty. First one I have ever come across. Why put up a smokescreen and bring children into it. My main aim in this issue is to protect my 3 grandchildren from someone in a school classroom trying to indoctrinate them in LGBT philosophy before they`re out of primary 1.
“Even in the primary schools” - you mean like religion? Because thats pushed in primary schools as well……
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Thu 5 Dec 20:56
Take the knee, rainbow armbands…what next? Have a church hym before kick off🤷
Just play a game of football without all this nonesense…plus don’t bring any religion into it…
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Thu 5 Dec 21:10
What a brilliant thought Alter Ego, a few hymns before kickoff would be great. Like the great Welsh choirs at Rugby stadiums in the days of the Welsh revival. I`ve often dreamed of East End Park reverberating to some of the great Christian songs of praise.
And what a great pity that our schools, apart from faith based schools, no longer have any Christian teaching. Although it took me my first 16 years to appreciate it, I am full of gratitude to my teachers at Broad Street Primary School, Cowdenbeath, for a strong basis of Bible teaching that I can vividly recall all these years later.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Thu 5 Dec 21:28
Did they not used to sing Abide With Me before the FA Cup Final? I remember singing it at East End Park at Norrie`s funeral.
I`ve not really got any axe to grind with people doing what they want but I would say the whole LGBT thing is probably on a bit of an arch and is reaching the peak of the rainbow now. My own personal view is that publicly people tolerate it. They are probably a bit scared to speak out against it for fear of being labelled homophobic, transphobic or whatever, I think that is a tide that is turning. It might just be an age thing, but I`ve heard a fair amount of people say what they really think. I`ll not repeat it, but it would probably hurt some feelings.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Thu 5 Dec 21:30
"Very selective in your assimilation of the various views Kelty and obviously with a drum to beat, of your own."
Very selective? Not really, just comments I found to be strange, worrying or outright wrong. I`m happy hearing the beat of my drum though, one that a decent chunk of people I know and respect would dance to as well.
"The trouble is that LGBT doctrine is not harmless. We all know that they are trying to push it in all walks of life, even our primary schools."
What is this doctrine that is being pushed? That it`s fine to be different? Sounds good to me. That you shouldn`t be judgemental about how other people live their lives? Good stuff. That because Jimmy lives with two mums or two dads or wants to play with dolls rather than cars that we should still want to play with him and that we shouldn`t tease him? Again, nothing wrong there.
"Thank the Lord that Nicola has been deposed. Her "progressive" theories have been exposed for the nonsense that they are."
Which progressive theories are you meaning?
"Nice to hear that you`re not a sinner Kelty. First one I have ever come across."
I never said I was, although given you don`t me from Adam (see what I did there) then who are you to judge? What does it mean to sin anyway? I`m certainly a glutton *for punishment, as far as this football season goes.
"Why put up a smokescreen and bring children into it."
You were the one who said that we are all sinners. By definition that must include children. What has a newborn baby done to be called a sinner? What has an elderly lady who has worked in an office, who gave birth to two children, who gave to charity, who had a kind word for everyone and who is now living in a nursing home done that deserves so be called a sinner?
"My main aim in this issue is to protect my 3 grandchildren from someone in a school classroom trying to indoctrinate them in LGBT philosophy before they`re out of primary 1."
Who in a classroom is trying to indoctrinate them? What are they indoctrinating them with? As I said before, it`s all about being kind to people who maybe don`t look or behave like you. But you seem to have no problem with church assemblies, with the Gideons giving out Bibles to school kids, to religion being forced on children in schools. Interesting.
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Thu 5 Dec 21:37
Quote:
Alter Ego, Thu 5 Dec 20:56
Take the knee, rainbow armbands…what next? Have a church hym before kick off🤷
Just play a game of football without all this nonesense…plus don’t bring any religion into it…
Still saying the same things. What, specifically, do you find unsettling about it and/or how does it personally affect you?
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Thu 5 Dec 21:44
I’m not religious and don’t care if anyone is gay or whatever they want to be..
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Thu 5 Dec 22:36
Rainbow armbands are fine if folk want to wear them.
The only thing I don`t like is that there should be any pressure to wear them. I`m not sure what the process was - was it like somebody put a box of rainbow armbands in the players` dressing room with a notice saying - if you support inclusion please show your support by wearing an armband. I think it`s important to make clear that wearing one is to show support, and that not wearing one does not mean you`re against the issue. Not wearing one I`d say means nothing. If you want to show you`re against the issue you`d have to wear something that states that.
Having read what Guehi said about why he added Jesus loves you (or similar) I don`t see why anyone should be offended. He`s clearly devout, and that`s his sincere message. And as someone posted, if he comes from a country that`s intolerant, he`s got the courage of his convictions to buck the trend of his own country of origin.
(FWIW religion doesn`t have anything to do with my thinking.)
Referring back to the OP - I agree with GG Riva.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Thu 5 Dec 23:01
If right wingers and religious types are so concerned about LGBT values being promoted in schools I should draw them towards Religious education. A system that actively made me agnostic and even antagonistic towards Christianity.
Just because it`s taught doesn`t mean your wee ones will absolutely grow up Trans, Queer or anything else.
Grow up
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Thu 5 Dec 23:24
Quote:
Andrew283, Thu 5 Dec 23:01
If right wingers and religious types are so concerned about LGBT values being promoted in schools I should draw them towards Religious education. A system that actively made me agnostic and even antagonistic towards Christianity.
Just because it`s taught doesn`t mean your wee ones will absolutely grow up Trans, Queer or anything else.
Grow up
You do need to be very careful with what you teach kids though. Part of that needs to be some clarity on basic biology. They are very impressionable. There are kids in primary schools that identify as being Wolves.
Also, someone mentioned above about little boys playing with girls toys. That is something that needs nipped in the bud straight away, it`s asking for trouble, get them some decent toys for boys to play with
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Thu 5 Dec 23:25
One doctrine I see being pushed on prepubescent kids is that they are, in certain schools, being taught that while they may have been born a boy or a girl, that they can choose whatever gender they want.
Nicola`s progressive theories got her into hot water over the issue of a former rapist transing into a woman and ending up in a women`s prison.
What does it mean to sin? I`m sure even those who have tried hardest to isolate themselves from the Bible, have heard of the ten commandments, the social aspects of which are an excellent guide for the whole of society, Christian or otherwise.
The Bible states that "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God". While children are born, inheriting a fallen human nature and don`t need to be taught to be naughty, or disobedient to their parents, their "sins" are not counted against them until they reach years of understanding.
When you come to know and love Jesus, as the young Crystal Palace player obviously does, nothing can stop you from telling the Good News of New Life in Him. "You he made alive, when you were dead in trespasses and sins". Jesus gave His life for the Gospel and so did many others. The fields of Scotland are covered with the graves of those who died for their love of Jesus and the gospel. The man who translated the Bible into English, William Tyndale, was put to death for doing so. The Bible is the world`s best seller every year and more an more people worldwide are waking up to it`s timeless message. Of course I want our children to get a Bible and read it over and over because the Mighty Eternal, Living God deals with us in the pages of the Bible. Many of our children, in Scotland are growing up wayward and without any hope for the future. Jesus says, ask me and I will give you living water, that wells up to eternal life. The message of the Bible has lasted all these years because people of every generation have found it to be true. Our lives are not meaningless, we don`t just die and that`s the end of everything. Jesus says, I am the resurrection and the life, they who believe in me, though they die, yet shall they live. The Bible message is brilliant. Jesus loved us more than anyone ever did but He was pretty straightforward and blunt about our sins. "Whoever looks at a woman lustfully, commits adultery in his heart". The Christian faith is flourishing in China, Iran, Brazil, Argentina and many countries of subsaharan Africa. Scotland had great ambassadors for the gospel and was known as the land of the book. Now we have lost that and our young people have no hope, alcohol addiction, drug deaths, prisons overflowing, the sick man of Europe. We need the certainty that only Jesus can give. Of course I want the Bible in our classrooms again. I would be very mean to keep the Christian message to myself.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 5 Dec 23:50
This thread highlights the issue. In an ideal world, it`s "normal" that there are lesbians, gay men, bi people, trans people, Asian people, black people, whatever people and no-one could care less. Why should they provided they`re not harming anyone? The problem is some people DO have an issue with these people. They sing songs about taking it up the backside or peeling bananas with their feet and thinks it`s all "banter". That`s why we have LGBT awareness, show racism the red card and entire week`s dedicated to highlighting violence against women and girls.
We have players in our clubs who are black, white and mixed. We have players from Scotland, England and mainland Europe. We no doubt have or have had players who are gay or bi. We have fans who will be from a variety of backgrounds too. So why are people making comments about race or sexuality?
As much as I can see why people roll their eyes about arm bands and things like that, these campaigns will exist until people stop being dickheads and accept that being gay or black or whatever is normal.
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Fri 6 Dec 00:50
Paralex,
I know this is going off topic a wee bit, but in response to your last post (Thu 5 Dec 23:25,) I can`t help thinking - what a chance your God missed when he wrote the ten commandments. He could have included: Thou shall not have wars!
I think the ten commandments weren`t bad for the time they were written, but I`d say a better place to look for appropriate guidance regarding inclusivity is the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Fri 6 Dec 01:39
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars like
Date: Fri 6 Dec 00:50
I know this is going off topic a wee bit, but in response to your last post (Thu 5 Dec 23:25,) I can`t help thinking - what a chance your God missed when he wrote the ten commandments. He could have included: Thou shall not have wars!
He did not miss any chance, it shows how little you know of the testament that you could even suggest such a thing.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Fri 6 Dec 07:03
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jake89, Thu 5 Dec 23:50
This thread highlights the issue. In an ideal world, it`s "normal" that there are lesbians, gay men, bi people, trans people, Asian people, black people, whatever people and no-one could care less. Why should they provided they`re not harming anyone? The problem is some people DO have an issue with these people. They sing songs about taking it up the backside or peeling bananas with their feet and thinks it`s all "banter". That`s why we have LGBT awareness, show racism the red card and entire week`s dedicated to highlighting violence against women and girls.
We have players in our clubs who are black, white and mixed. We have players from Scotland, England and mainland Europe. We no doubt have or have had players who are gay or bi. We have fans who will be from a variety of backgrounds too. So why are people making comments about race or sexuality?
As much as I can see why people roll their eyes about arm bands and things like that, these campaigns will exist until people stop being dickheads and accept that being gay or black or whatever is normal.
Top post, Jake.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 6 Dec 08:10
Quote:
red-star-par, Thu 5 Dec 23:24
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Andrew283, Thu 5 Dec 23:01
If right wingers and religious types are so concerned about LGBT values being promoted in schools I should draw them towards Religious education. A system that actively made me agnostic and even antagonistic towards Christianity.
Just because it`s taught doesn`t mean your wee ones will absolutely grow up Trans, Queer or anything else.
Grow up
You do need to be very careful with what you teach kids though. Part of that needs to be some clarity on basic biology. They are very impressionable. There are kids in primary schools that identify as being Wolves.
Also, someone mentioned above about little boys playing with girls toys. That is something that needs nipped in the bud straight away, it`s asking for trouble, get them some decent toys for boys to play with
My daughter thinks she is Poppy from Trolls - should I worry now that she is going to want a transition when she is 9 to become one?
And what utter 1950s nonsense about boys playing with girls toys. Utter archaic p*sh.
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Fri 6 Dec 10:26
Ref: Bletchley_Par
Date: Fri 6 Dec 01:39
Quote: onandupthepars:
I know this is going off topic a wee bit, but in response to your last post (Thu 5 Dec 23:25,) I can`t help thinking - what a chance your God missed when he wrote the ten commandments. He could have included: Thou shall not have wars!
BP: He did not miss any chance, it shows how little you know of the testament that you could even suggest such a thing.
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If I know so little, could you show what it is you know that I don`t, regarding the ten commandments?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 6 Dec 12:42
Quote:
Dave_1885, Fri 6 Dec 08:10
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red-star-par, Thu 5 Dec 23:24
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Andrew283, Thu 5 Dec 23:01
If right wingers and religious types are so concerned about LGBT values being promoted in schools I should draw them towards Religious education. A system that actively made me agnostic and even antagonistic towards Christianity.
Just because it`s taught doesn`t mean your wee ones will absolutely grow up Trans, Queer or anything else.
Grow up
You do need to be very careful with what you teach kids though. Part of that needs to be some clarity on basic biology. They are very impressionable. There are kids in primary schools that identify as being Wolves.
Also, someone mentioned above about little boys playing with girls toys. That is something that needs nipped in the bud straight away, it`s asking for trouble, get them some decent toys for boys to play with
My daughter thinks she is Poppy from Trolls - should I worry now that she is going to want a transition when she is 9 to become one?
And what utter 1950s nonsense about boys playing with girls toys. Utter archaic p*sh.
It`s worse than that. She`ll grow up to be the DAFC.net troll, posting links to GB News articles and spreading misinformation. Her favourite toy will be the "report" button.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Fri 6 Dec 12:50
😂😂😂
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 6 Dec 13:06
Quote:
jake89, Fri 6 Dec 12:42
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Dave_1885, Fri 6 Dec 08:10
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red-star-par, Thu 5 Dec 23:24
Quote:
Andrew283, Thu 5 Dec 23:01
If right wingers and religious types are so concerned about LGBT values being promoted in schools I should draw them towards Religious education. A system that actively made me agnostic and even antagonistic towards Christianity.
Just because it`s taught doesn`t mean your wee ones will absolutely grow up Trans, Queer or anything else.
Grow up
You do need to be very careful with what you teach kids though. Part of that needs to be some clarity on basic biology. They are very impressionable. There are kids in primary schools that identify as being Wolves.
Also, someone mentioned above about little boys playing with girls toys. That is something that needs nipped in the bud straight away, it`s asking for trouble, get them some decent toys for boys to play with
My daughter thinks she is Poppy from Trolls - should I worry now that she is going to want a transition when she is 9 to become one?
And what utter 1950s nonsense about boys playing with girls toys. Utter archaic p*sh.
It`s worse than that. She`ll grow up to be the DAFC.net troll, posting links to GB News articles and spreading misinformation. Her favourite toy will be the "report" button.
Sh*t, I better nip that in the bud and tell her she cant have an imagination when she turns 4 in a couple of months! 🙄😂
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Fri 6 Dec 13:58
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Fri 6 Dec 10:26
Quote: onandupthepars:
I know this is going off topic a wee bit, but in response to your last post (Thu 5
If I know so little, could you show what it is you know that I don`t, regarding the ten commandments?
If there was a commandment standing "thou must not commit war" it would at odds with all the other stuff in scripture about warring with the heretical Canaanites or going to war against idolatrous cities.
Usually when discussing this it moves onto "ahh but what about Thou shalt not kill" but there is really a mistranslation of that line from the original Hebrew "ratsah" which the closest translation would probably be "unjustified killing".
Happy to take this discussion to offtopic if you wish to debate further on it onandupthepars, while I am an existentialist I do enjoy discussing ancient texts.
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Fri 6 Dec 16:57
OK BP, we`ll try. See Off Topic.
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Fri 6 Dec 22:27
😅 religion comes into it again…fek off with that nonsense and admin should card folk like you.
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Fri 6 Dec 23:56
I`m glad to see you`re still trying, Alter. At least you`ve managed some words there - so if you keep on bashing they keys at random as you are doing, I`m sure one day you will post something worthwhile by accident.
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Sat 7 Dec 00:01
Oh forgive me, I thought the thread was about the Crystal Palace player writing " I love Jesus" on the rainbow armband. 🌈 Think that`s a comment about religion.🤔
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