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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sun 15 Dec 23:07
A lot of folk suggesting he is.
Despite the fact you don`t like his style of football, he has won promotion to the spl with Dundee and brought us back from League One at the first attempt.
He had a horrendous first season back in the championship due to a crazy amount of injuries. He has been shackled by the current owners.
Should he go on to win the Challenge Cup, he most certainly is not finished at this level.
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Topic Originator: gordi-b
Date: Sun 15 Dec 23:08
As long as its not here COYP
G.B
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Sun 15 Dec 23:47
Nothing to do with ‘style of football’, he simply can’t get results can he? 2nd bottom and lost 10 games already and not even halfway through the season. Absolute pathetic
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Sun 15 Dec 23:47
Quote:
PARrot, Sun 15 Dec 23:07
A lot of folk suggesting he is.
Despite the fact you don`t like his style of football, he has won promotion to the spl with Dundee and brought us back from League One at the first attempt.
He had a horrendous first season back in the championship due to a crazy amount of injuries. He has been shackled by the current owners.
Should he go on to win the Challenge Cup, he most certainly is not finished at this level.
The 1st division win, the football was poor
Poor recruitment signed half a team that got us relegated.
Last season we probably would have been relegated, had we not got some players in in January.
Although hamstrung at the start of the window, his recruitment was poor yet again.In 3 seasons the football has been murder, and may yet get us relegated.
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Topic Originator: msgribbin
Date: Mon 16 Dec 00:38
In any walk of life, it`s as much about what you learn along the way as what you`ve achieved.
JM`s young yet, if he can take the lessons from what went wrong here and at Dundee, there`s maybe still a future in the game for him. Doesn`t feel like he`s learning much on the job at the minute but given time he might be able to improve.
Or on the other hand if he wants it enough to go to a lower league club in a relegation crisis etc, for whatever they can pay him.....
But assuming any club does some diligence on him, surely to goodness they`d want reassurances about his playing style and tactical acumen. I would if I was interviewing him. And to be honest, I`d be sceptical.
He`s maybe not finished but it could be a tough road for him
Mark G
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Mon 16 Dec 02:38
I really don`t think the opinions of fans on a forum will sway them. Results matter. League wins, and a cup will see him ok. At this level.
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Topic Originator: par-ticular
Date: Mon 16 Dec 06:20
Just to tweak the subject about losing managers, poor Pep one of the outstanding managers of our time, can’t buy a win despite the array of stars at his disposal? Who’s to blame him or the players?Similarly who’s to blame at EEP ?
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Mon 16 Dec 07:31
It`s not going to br anyone of stature that employs him as manager after phoning it in here, I`d wager.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Mon 16 Dec 07:47
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PARrot, Mon 16 Dec 02:38
I really don`t think the opinions of fans on a forum will sway them. Results matter. League wins, and a cup will see him ok. At this level.
But we don`t win enough games and that is reflected in our league position. If you`re looking at results then he has not done well enough. These are his players he wanted Kane and he wanted wotherspoon both of which were his main targets and both didn`t start a massive game?
He plays shocking football and would rather play players out of position rather than others who are natural in that position. He`s clueless
He won league 1 but unlike Falkirk he didn`t sign players that can play at this level. He kept guys who got relegated last time at this level and expected a different outcome.
If we have any money to spend in January I don`t trust him to sign players who make us stronger.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: SeasonedPar
Date: Mon 16 Dec 08:21
Wouldn’t normally do this, but I’m re-posting my own thoughts from another thread yesterday because I’m concerned about the state of our club. I have to disagree about the Manager’s record!
The manager has to go now. I hate to see anyone lose their job, but enough is enough.
One away point all season. No away victory since March. 15 points from 18 games. Due to health, I’ve not been to a game since Queens Park at home. And the football was dire. It still is. That’s down to tactics, set out by the manager. I was hoping to get to the Falkirk game, but seeing nothing to encourage me out on a cold night. Match day experience??
Last night, his post match interview basically blamed the players for not following the game plan. When any manager starts to publicly criticise the players, it’s time up.
Interesting reading about Alex Edwards. How far we’ve fallen, in standards and expectations.
I had some sympathy for him last season, with a horrific injury list. At the start of this season, the expected player budget was cut and he couldn’t, according to reports, sign the players he wanted. That’s down to the Board. In the season where it’s the most open for years, Falkirk are doing great and Livvy are their heels, while we are toiling in 9th.
You must invest properly in the first team, to help the younger, more inexperienced players, who will be inconsistent. Recruitment has been poor, partly to the Board and partly to the choices made by the manager and his inability to get the best out of what he has. Surely the players hate this negative, slow, tippy tappy stuff?
Financially,everything flows from a first team doing fairly well - tickets, walk ups, hospitality, sponsors, getting kids to come to games. The training ground can wait, we’ve done without for a long time and hired training facilities instead.
The Board really need to show leadership now. They’re still currently in charge. Waiting for new owners might be too late. It might reduce the buying price, the Board can’t want that, while it might also make a new owner think twice about buying at all.
Whether it’s an outsider coming in, or a current player as interim player/manager, it’s not just about much needed change but also about timing. The window opens in January and we need to get in early, to get some experience in and move some fringe players on. We’re not expecting to be a Manchester City, or a Rangers, but we do expect a competitive team which goes forward, plays as a team and looks like it knows what it’s doing. I’m pretty sure most fans would accept that, and don’t feel we’ve the right to win every game we play.
Thick and thin? Enough’s enough. Over to the Board.
Post Edited (Mon 16 Dec 08:31)
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Topic Originator: msgribbin
Date: Mon 16 Dec 08:33
Quote:
PARrot, Mon 16 Dec 02:38
I really don`t think the opinions of fans on a forum will sway them. Results matter. League wins, and a cup will see him ok. At this level.
Well, yeah, a prospective employer is less likely to look at a fans forum than a manager`s results. Thing is those are less impressive than they appear on face value. Inherit recently relegated team and get them back up - before it all then falls apart with awful tactical rigidity and large scale fan alienation. Phase one is good, phase two not so much. Both aspects are relevant for a future employer, not only the first.
You might be right, he may well get a gig elsewhere - unless lucky, might have to work his way back up though
Mark G
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Topic Originator: summeragent
Date: Mon 16 Dec 10:27
It’s not just the lack of away wins, it’s the performances. I wish he would get a tougher post match interview asking him why the performances are so poor and what he is going to do about it!
Honestly think we are going to totally collapse away at some point and get a real hiding.
I feel worried about the Morton game. They will be up for it and we are a disorganised shambles who look like we couldn’t score in a br***el!! Could be a heavy defeat I hope I’m wrong.
Does the Management team watch the matches or are they on TikTok or something during the match? Why can’t they change the structure and tactics of the team to get the team on the front foot from the start?
We seem to lack leadership on the pitch and too many people out of position. Never seem to play our best 11 from the start and end up subbing in the 2nd half, that never works!
Could Wetherspoon provide some much needed leadership on the pitch? Why do we keep playing Chalmers as a start? Who is Otoo not in midfield? Too much emphasis on getting a ‘half fit’ Kane back into the team. Play the best 11, get McCann and Mebuda through the middle and get some attacking structure in the team.
I pray every game that McPake will finally turn it around. It’s not happening and we are not getting the best out of our players. We are getting worse. I think the players are demoralised as well with the same hopeless tactics!
That’s me got that off my chest rightly or wrongly!! Frustrated asf!
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Mon 16 Dec 12:56
This thread isn`t about whether he has to go or not. I`m just saying he has done enough in his career to still be considered at this level. Our opinions on his tactics will not sway potential employers.
My main point is that if he wins the wee trophy, it will increase his chances.
Maybe, if he thinks he is finished here, he will focus on that.
Two promotions and a cup definately Trump fans opinions.
Post Edited (Mon 16 Dec 12:58)
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Topic Originator: Johan_Cruyff
Date: Mon 16 Dec 13:07
There is clearly no gameplan - there is no movement from the front 3 or 4 - it seems they are gambling on the GK booting it long, someone getting a flick on and hoping Matty Todd or the central striker runs onto it.
Very little ball retention after a few passes across the back its back to the GK for a hoof up the park.
Our balls down the channels can be read like a book
so in possession we are awful
Out of possession - not clear structure, big gaps between our lines both vertically and horizontally means teams can play through us quite easily, we dont seem to force the oppostiion in to areas where we can win the ball back and they get out either side too easily.
Theres a lot of basics we just dont get right
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Mon 16 Dec 13:08
"The Board really need to show leadership now."
The Germans are clearly intent on going as quickly as possible.........their perceived experiment has failed, now it`s a financial damage limitation exercise.
I can`t see anything significant from them happening in the meantime.
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Topic Originator: Angus_W
Date: Mon 16 Dec 13:11
"Two promotions and a cup definately Trump fans opinions."
That would indeed be an outstanding achievement given the current league position!
Staying up has to be the number 1 goal.
Relegation would do untold damage to the clubs finances & potential saleability.
Post Edited (Mon 16 Dec 13:13)
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Mon 16 Dec 13:15
I wish him all the best, so long as he is nowhere near the EEP dugout. Terrible manager
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Mon 16 Dec 13:22
With the dross we serve up on a weekly basis I don`t think we need to worry about winning a cup. We need to focus on staying in the league.
c'mon the pars
Post Edited (Mon 16 Dec 15:13)
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Mon 16 Dec 13:47
Some decent managers coming available - I`d happily take either Russell Martin or Gary O`Neil :)
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Topic Originator: SeasonedPar
Date: Mon 16 Dec 13:52
Quote:
PARrot, Mon 16 Dec 12:56
This thread isn`t about whether he has to go or not. I`m just saying he has done enough in his career to still be considered at this level. Our opinions on his tactics will not sway potential employers.
My main point is that if he wins the wee trophy, it will increase his chances.
Maybe, if he thinks he is finished here, he will focus on that.
Two promotions and a cup definately Trump fans opinions.
Parrot, I love your enthusiasm, and I’d love us to win the cup, but seriously??
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 16 Dec 16:04
He`s not done but the longer he stays, the harder it becomes. Right now he could go and suggest blame on the board for being slow to approve signings or something like that.
The reality is he`s not getting the best out of these players. That works both ways, of course. If players aren`t doing what he`s asking of them then that needs sorted. If they can`t do what`s being asked of them then it`s time to go or be loaned out elsewhere.
My concern when any manager quits is the replacement. We don`t want another couple of Grants/Hughes. Some good shouts on here but I imagine it all comes down to money/wage demands. I like Murray but I`d be interested in what happened over the summer that turned Raith from being title contenders to utter guff. They`re still only marginally less crap than us but it`s still quite the drop off.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Mon 16 Dec 16:13
Quote:
SeasonedPar, Mon 16 Dec 13:52
Quote:
PARrot, Mon 16 Dec 12:56
This thread isn`t about whether he has to go or not. I`m just saying he has done enough in his career to still be considered at this level. Our opinions on his tactics will not sway potential employers.
My main point is that if he wins the wee trophy, it will increase his chances.
Maybe, if he thinks he is finished here, he will focus on that.
Two promotions and a cup definately Trump fans opinions.
Parrot, I love your enthusiasm, and I’d love us to win the cup, but seriously??
I didn`t say I think we will win it simply that, If we did win it, it would add to two other successes which, would keep him in with a chance of another crack at this level.
After our wee winning run, I thought we had a chance but that hope has subsided a bit.
Possible though
Post Edited (Mon 16 Dec 16:15)
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Mon 16 Dec 16:39
I don`t think there`s any doubt that McPake expected more to play with in regards to transfers but he allegedly got his no 1 target (according to himself) in Wotherspoon and that`s been uninspired at best. I don`t think for a second McPake`s been fully present this season, phoning it in out of disdain for our now cowering owners in the hope of a payout.
Not once has he even tried to communicate with the fans or give any indication he`s got a plan to sort it out, he hasn`t tried any other set up despite it not working and babbles out the same insipid garbage after every game.
Any prospective employer would surely look at that and have a decision to make?
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Mon 16 Dec 16:47
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Mon 16 Dec 16:39
I don`t think there`s any doubt that McPake expected more to play with in regards to transfers but he allegedly got his no 1 target (according to himself) in Wotherspoon and that`s been uninspired at best. I don`t think for a second McPake`s been fully present this season, phoning it in out of disdain for our now cowering owners in the hope of a payout.
Not once has he even tried to communicate with the fans or give any indication he`s got a plan to sort it out, he hasn`t tried any other set up despite it not working and babbles out the same insipid garbage after every game.
Any prospective employer would surely look at that and have a decision to make?
He also got his first choice in kane as well both him and Cook confirmed this. these are his players so them not performing or their lack of ability falls at his door.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Mon 16 Dec 16:48
I would suggest he is not done but is probably in last chance saloon when he gets his next gig in league 1.
Look at Crawford and Johnstone for a guide as to the career path.
Talk about learning on the job? I doubt he could do worse in the transfer market at another club even if he tried. I bet his big lesson learned will be not to place loyalty in players who look okay in league 1 and expect them to be able to cut it in the championship. Some didn’t even make an impact in league 1 and yet here we are playing them most weeks!
Struggling to imagine a less inspiring manager at the moment, everything about him suggests dour, not suprised we see that from the team.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Mon 16 Dec 19:29
According to Mr Cook, Ngwenya was also out first choice left back, so that’s three players
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Mon 16 Dec 19:36
Don`t think winning a Challenge Cup will have any bearing on things tbh. Which at the moment looks unlikely to happen anyway. Callum Davidson won both big cups with St Johnstone but still had to drop down a level to get a job. Which full time teams would look at McPake and give him a chance? Queen of the South? Cove? I couldn`t see him in the Championship any time soon once he leaves us?
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 16 Dec 19:38
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Raymie the Legend, Mon 16 Dec 19:29
According to Mr Cook, Ngwenya was also out first choice left back, so that’s three players
Come on, Raymie. You know full well that no manager or chairman is ever going to say anything other than that a signing was their first choice for that position.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Mon 16 Dec 21:30
Handed the job of a newly relegated team with a squad not good enough to stay up but good enough to challenge for the league at the lower level. Gets promoted and keeps a number of those who were not good enough at that level previously and a load of other players who make next to no impact and the team yet again struggle with signs of tactical nieveity and dull football and then he’s under pressure and will surely be out of a job soon.
Then he got fired and joined us….
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: CrossPar
Date: Mon 16 Dec 23:06
Quote:
Berkey, Mon 16 Dec 21:30
Handed the job of a newly relegated team with a squad not good enough to stay up but good enough to challenge for the league at the lower level. Gets promoted and keeps a number of those who were not good enough at that level previously and a load of other players who make next to no impact and the team yet again struggle with signs of tactical nieveity and dull football and then he’s under pressure and will surely be out of a job soon.
Then he got fired and joined us….
Exactly right.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Mon 16 Dec 23:20
Quote:
Berkey, Mon 16 Dec 21:30
Handed the job of a newly relegated team with a squad not good enough to stay up but good enough to challenge for the league at the lower level. Gets promoted and keeps a number of those who were not good enough at that level previously and a load of other players who make next to no impact and the team yet again struggle with signs of tactical nieveity and dull football and then he’s under pressure and will surely be out of a job soon.
Then he got fired and joined us….
Hmmm, ok, familiar.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Tue 17 Dec 13:18
He may get another job in the championship, but it won`t be from a club that wants to do anything but avoid relegation. His tenure has largely gone the same way as it did in Dundee, except at the level below.
He did a very good job in league 1 on a fairly limited budget and managed to lift the morale of players that must`ve been at rock bottom thanks to Peter Grant/John Hughes. The style of football wasn`t enjoyable but he got great results.
However, his decision to be too loyal to the players who had previously shown they weren`t at the level of the championship was a major miscalculation.
This season has been unacceptable, thanks to the snowball effect of offering 2+ year deals to players not up to snuff and the negativity of the tactics, we are seriously struggling in a league that really has little quality. Falkirk have come up, shown no fear and by in large dominated most of their games.
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