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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Thu 16 Jan 19:54
what i d happening ! Paul Scholes having to go through a Q and A on football tactics to two ladies ,who probably dont knowvhow to lace up a pair of football boots .No disrespect to rhe ladies but this is sad in the mans game
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Thu 16 Jan 20:00
Quote:
Rigger Al, Thu 16 Jan 19:54
what i d happening ! Paul Scholes having to go through a Q and A on football tactics to two ladies ,who probably dont knowvhow to lace up a pair of football boots .No disrespect to rhe ladies but this is sad in the mans game
a few typos there ,hate using the phone keyboard :):)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 16 Jan 20:30
Quote:
Rigger Al, Thu 16 Jan 19:54
what i d happening ! Paul Scholes having to go through a Q and A on football tactics to two ladies ,who probably dont knowvhow to lace up a pair of football boots .No disrespect to rhe ladies but this is sad in the mans game
Were you angry or drunk when you typed this?
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Thu 16 Jan 20:36
Imo woman’s football is mostly brutal to watch and woman commentators are awful to listen to when they try and come across as seasoned pros sitting next to top pro players in the men’s game.
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar
Date: Thu 16 Jan 20:41
"Imo woman’s football is mostly brutal to watch "
Depends what you are comparing it to.......
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Thu 16 Jan 20:46
Quote:
Rigger Al, Thu 16 Jan 19:54
what i d happening ! Paul Scholes having to go through a Q and A on football tactics to two ladies ,who probably dont knowvhow to lace up a pair of football boots .No disrespect to rhe ladies but this is sad in the mans game
As opposed to Mark Pougatch, or Mark Chapman, both champions league winners? Or after listening to Rio Ferdinand last night , absolute drivel.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 16 Jan 20:49
Quote:
Alter Ego, Thu 16 Jan 20:36
Imo woman’s football is mostly brutal to watch and woman commentators are awful to listen to when they try and come across as seasoned pros sitting next to top pro players in the men’s game.
I don`t watch women`s football (not a conscious decision, I just never seem to catch it in TV) but someone like Leanne Crichton is far more detailed and interesting to listen to than a number of the seasoned male presenters.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 16 Jan 20:56
I started to watch the SWPL highlights show during the week. The first game was Celtic v Aberdeen. I don`t think words can describe how terrible it was. Really, really poor. In front of a crowd of about 300 folk, mostly woman by the sounds of it.
If TV companies want to employ women as pundits that`s fine by me. They don`t talk any more bollocks than Jamie Carragher or Paul Merson to be honest.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Thu 16 Jan 21:02
Quote:
jake89, Thu 16 Jan 20:49
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Alter Ego, Thu 16 Jan 20:36
Imo woman’s football is mostly brutal to watch and woman commentators are awful to listen to when they try and come across as seasoned pros sitting next to top pro players in the men’s game.
I don`t watch women`s football (not a conscious decision, I just never seem to catch it in TV) but someone like Leanne Crichton is far more detailed and interesting to listen to than a number of the seasoned male presenters.
Agree Jake I really enjoy listening to Leanne Crichton’s analysis. I really enjoy watching Amy Irons though 😜. Plus her dad played for the Pars so she is all good in my eyes.
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Thu 16 Jan 21:12
Woman commentators in their own game if fine by me but they are brutal and not up with the men’s game in the Premiership etc. Nothing against them but it’s brutal to hear when they try to go over tactics etc.
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 16 Jan 21:20
They aren’t brutal. They offer a different perspective. Nothing wrong with that and no they shouldn’t “stick to the woman’s game”.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Par
Date: Thu 16 Jan 21:24
Leanne Crichton is one of the best football pundits in Scotland.
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Thu 16 Jan 21:28
Quote:
Par, Thu 16 Jan 21:24
Leanne Crichton is one of the best football pundits in Scotland.
Agreed great on all Scottish football, but really good on the championship games
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Thu 16 Jan 21:37
Well maybe 1 woman should present the game but she’s not that good imo.
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar
Date: Thu 16 Jan 21:41
"Nothing against them but it’s brutal to hear when they try to go over tactics etc"
I would say 80% of pundits that try to go over tactics are brutal, male or female......
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Thu 16 Jan 21:50
Nah if you listened to some of the female pundits trying to engage with pros that have played the game earning £££ it’s cringeworthy and their reading of the game is brutal..I’m surprised the pros haven’t said anything but they are getting ££!
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar
Date: Thu 16 Jan 22:04
Quote:
Alter Ego, Thu 16 Jan 21:50
Nah if you listened to some of the female pundits trying to engage with pros that have played the game earning £££ it’s cringeworthy and their reading of the game is brutal..I’m surprised the pros haven’t said anything but they are getting ££!
Again, as is 80% of all pundits, male or female........
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Thu 16 Jan 22:49
totaly sober
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Fri 17 Jan 07:20
Not that strange. You stated an opinion, others feel that it`s a bit jurassic and have expressed that to you - in various ways.
It`s how the forum works.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Fri 17 Jan 07:25
Weird folk saying that the women don`t know about tactics when tactics have nothing to do with strength, stamina, agility, pace, power, ability, height, etc. It`s about space, movement, organisation, shape, adaptability, angles, speed of thought, etc. Some of the best tactical analysis comes from the likes of Michael Cox and Jonathan Wilson who have never played the game. Whereas lots of ex pros simply talk about vibes and pride and what is or isn`t "good enough for this football club". I can understand some criticism or female pundits in terms of not understanding pressure or the size of the crowds or the expectations etc, but anyone complaining that they don`t know about tactics or that they don`t like their voices just come over ad completely misogynistic dinosaurs. Probably because they are.
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Topic Originator: Lambo1885
Date: Fri 17 Jan 09:24
Quote:
"Nothing against them but it’s brutal to hear when they try to go over tactics etc"
Similar to this forum then?
Post Edited (Fri 17 Jan 09:25)
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Fri 17 Jan 09:51
wow, looks like i went to bed and woke up in 1950`s where woman should only be seen making dinner and doing the dishes.
What a place this is.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 17 Jan 09:58
Is it no longer acceptable to say you don`t like something, whatever it is?
I couldn`t give a toss what sex the pundits are, it makes no difference to me.
However I just don`t like watching women`s football.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Fri 17 Jan 10:25
Nobody is saying that you can’t express your opinion that you do not like or think women are capable of being pundits of men’s football…
But equally, you can’t get upset when people question what difference having dangly bits between your legs makes regarding being capable/competent (or not) in presenting / discussing men’s football matches!
Saying you don’t like to watch the woman teams play the game is different to saying there shouldn’t be female presenters
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Fri 17 Jan 10:29
Quote:
Par, Thu 16 Jan 21:24
Leanne Crichton is one of the best football pundits in Scotland.
I agree 100% Leanne is very good
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 17 Jan 10:54
Mens football and women’s football are miles apart - but that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be respected in their own rights. The general concept is the same as well - it’s like saying why should Joey Barton comment on the international game when he couldn’t cut it at that level?
Now theres a difference between if the woman is knowledgable and good or clueless and terrible. Gender shouldn’t come into it, only ability and knowledge should.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Fri 17 Jan 10:55
The problem I see it is thus...
"but someone like Leanne Crichton is far more detailed and interesting to listen to than a number of the seasoned male presenters."
There is no one like Leanne Crichton.
Bad male presenters are not getting hired because they are male, they are getting hired because they are footballers who had top class careers.
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Topic Originator: MikeyLeonard
Date: Fri 17 Jan 11:01
Quote:
da_no_1, Fri 17 Jan 09:58
Is it no longer acceptable to say you don`t like something, whatever it is?
I couldn`t give a toss what sex the pundits are, it makes no difference to me.
However I just don`t like watching women`s football.
Agree with da here, can`t watch womens fitbaw, nor do I particularly enjoy female commentators (I do like listening to some of the pundits though).
If that makes me a dinosaur or whatever other name people want to call me then so be it. It`s a shame people can`t have their opinion nowadays without being labelled as something or other.
Post Edited (Fri 17 Jan 11:02)
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Topic Originator: dafc123
Date: Fri 17 Jan 11:58
WOW, How is this post still up? Incredibly Misogynistic. You are aware we have a ladies football team and plenty of female followers.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 17 Jan 12:00
Quote:
dafc123, Fri 17 Jan 11:58
WOW, How is this post still up? Incredibly Misogynistic. You are aware we have a ladies football team and plenty of female followers.
What bit is "incredibly misogynistic"?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: dafc123
Date: Fri 17 Jan 12:48
Read the first post muppet
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Fri 17 Jan 12:56
Brian ,Can you close this please asvits growing into something that wasnt intended .
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Topic Originator: KnebworthPar
Date: Fri 17 Jan 12:56
Personally I can’t stand listening to any of the pundits, and the commentators too. Parstv excepted of course.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 17 Jan 12:58
Edited - I can't be bothered discussing this any further
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Fri 17 Jan 13:10)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 17 Jan 13:39
It`s only misogynistic if you say you dislike it specifically because it`s women`s football. The comments here are around the quality of the football and the commentary.
The quality of football is easy to judge but the commentary and analysis is subjective IMO. Saying that, I wish we`d have people based on their knowledge and skills rather than some of the utter gross we do get. Just because you played for Rangers or Celtic doesn`t mean you`re going to be a good presenter.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 17 Jan 13:56
I don`t know who the two ladies were who were referred to in the opening post but it`s hard to interpret saying they `probably don`t know how to lace up a pair of football boots` as anything other than misogynistic. Would that have been said about Kelly Cates or Gabby Logan? I don`t think they played football at any senior level but they frequently ask former male pros about tactics, etc.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Fri 17 Jan 14:02
I think the notion that women are universally useless at knowledge at football is total bollox.
Few can have had complaints about the likes of Hazel Irvine back in the day or Gabby Roslin and Kelly Daglish then and now and as mentioned Leanne Crichton is one of the best regardless of gender.
I’m guessing some people rightly have issues with some of the newer ones who are nauseating with their cliches are are basically just plants to satisfy equality managers.
Maybe doing proper research when appointing is the right way to go.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 17 Jan 14:07
Quote:
jake89, Fri 17 Jan 13:39
It`s only misogynistic if you say you dislike it specifically because it`s women`s football. The comments here are around the quality of the football and the commentary.
The quality of football is easy to judge but the commentary and analysis is subjective IMO. Saying that, I wish we`d have people based on their knowledge and skills rather than some of the utter gross we do get. Just because you played for Rangers or Celtic doesn`t mean you`re going to be a good presenter.
Excellent post Jake
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Par Dan
Date: Fri 17 Jan 14:58
I caught the Brentford Vs Man City game on Tuesday night and the female Co-commentator on that was impressive. Her tactical analysis of Brentford’s tactics was spot on.
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Topic Originator: Back_oh_the_net
Date: Fri 17 Jan 16:43
Quote:
Rigger Al, Fri 17 Jan 12:56
Brian ,Can you close this please asvits growing into something that wasnt intended .
Brian can you please close this as I have made a total James hunt of myself….there fixed it for you mate
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Fri 17 Jan 16:46
Quote:
Back_oh_the_net, Fri 17 Jan 16:43
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Rigger Al, Fri 17 Jan 12:56
Brian ,Can you close this please asvits growing into something that wasnt intended .
Brian can you please close this as I have made a total James hunt of myself….there fixed it for you mate
Behave! I gave an opinion on lady comentatotscin thr mans game .Many posts here a lot stronger opinions than what i put
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Fri 17 Jan 17:58
Quote:
Par Dan, Fri 17 Jan 14:58
I caught the Brentford Vs Man City game on Tuesday night and the female Co-commentator on that was impressive. Her tactical analysis of Brentford’s tactics was spot on.
Exactly like the male pundits some are good some are woeful. Paul Slane is an embarrassment to the Scottish game of football McFadden is great. That lassie that feels she needs to shout down the TV on MOTD is a red neck sue smith on soccer Saturday is good. I think Barber is better than Jonathan Sutherland. It`s all about opinions but if they talk sense and have a bit about them I couldn`t care if they are male or female.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Fri 17 Jan 18:33
Honest to god nobody can say anything that they don’t like nowadays without the “oooh your sexist” blah blah.
Get a grip!
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Fri 17 Jan 18:39
Quote:
Alter Ego, Fri 17 Jan 18:33
Honest to god nobody can say anything that they don’t like nowadays without the “oooh your sexist” blah blah.
Get a grip!
You get thrown in jail if you even say you`re English these days as well.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Fri 17 Jan 18:51
Shocking that you can`t say something sexist without getting called a sexist.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Fri 17 Jan 18:52
What a crap society we live in..if you don’t like something or disagree with somebody…..I think we should send all illegal immigrants back to their countries…..ohhhh your a racist and far right, nah I’m not I just feel our government has let down the people that live in Britain just like woman footballers and commentators who have let the game of football down….
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Fri 17 Jan 18:54
You can`t even say something racist without being called a racist.
Political correctness gone mad.
Lefty, woke, snowflake society.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Fri 17 Jan 18:58
And yes, you`ve got to feel sorry for the game of football. They`re taking World Cups to Russia, Qatar and Saudi Arabia, selflessly trying to grow the game globally.
Then we`ve got the likes of Sue Smith and Alex Scott speaking some words out loud and ruining all the good work.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Fri 17 Jan 20:03
Honestly even the people who were usually “easily offended” get called woke where before if folk were easily offended used to get told get a grip but I suppose that is classed as internet bullying😅…..honestly this country has gone mad!
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Fri 17 Jan 20:06
Quote:
Alter Ego, Fri 17 Jan 20:03
Honestly even the people who were usually “easily offended” get called woke where before if folk were easily offended used to get told get a grip but I suppose that is classed as internet bullying😅…..honestly this country has gone mad!
Only if you`re chronically online and get annoyed by an algorithm.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Fri 17 Jan 20:32
Not enjoying woman`s football = absolutely fine, no problems, not sexist
Saying that women shouldn`t get to commentate on men`s football for the sole reason they are female = not fine, but of a problem, sexist.
It`s not hard guys.
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Fri 17 Jan 21:04
I never said woman shouldn’t commentate on men’s football because they are female…get a grip blah blah ohhh Alter Ego is sexist ohhh.. Honest to god just listen to them in games and they are well off summarising the play.
Not all of them but most are cringeworthy about the game has played out.
Tbh and if I was a commentator on a woman’s game I would just say “what a load of pihs and brutal to watch” the problem is nowadays you can’t say what you want as you get labelled sexist,racist or whatever the next label name come out..
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Fri 17 Jan 21:15
And then there`s the immigrant female commentators and pundits. Dreadful state of affairs.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 18 Jan 00:12
Let’s be honest, there are some good female presenters etc but there are more that aren’t. I don’t know why they think it’ll be a good idea to put people in those positions that they’re clearly not qualified for 🤷🏻♂️ it seems like the whole DEI stuff to me. Football Focus is on a huge decline and I wouldn’t be surprised if Sky will be seeing a huge decline in some of their programming as well.
It’s not doing anyone any good. They’d be better picking people out of merit rather than for their immutable characteristics.
COYP
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Topic Originator: Par Dan
Date: Sat 18 Jan 13:04
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sat 18 Jan 00:12
Let’s be honest, there are some good female presenters etc but there are more that aren’t. I don’t know why they think it’ll be a good idea to put people in those positions that they’re clearly not qualified for 🤷🏻♂️ it seems like the whole DEI stuff to me. Football Focus is on a huge decline and I wouldn’t be surprised if Sky will be seeing a huge decline in some of their programming as well.
It’s not doing anyone any good. They’d be better picking people out of merit rather than for their immutable characteristics.
Not qualified ? How do you become qualified to become a football pundit ? An absolute bin fire of a thread .
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 18 Jan 14:24
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sat 18 Jan 00:12
Let’s be honest, there are some good female presenters etc but there are more that aren’t. I don’t know why they think it’ll be a good idea to put people in those positions that they’re clearly not qualified for 🤷🏻♂️ it seems like the whole DEI stuff to me. Football Focus is on a huge decline and I wouldn’t be surprised if Sky will be seeing a huge decline in some of their programming as well.
It’s not doing anyone any good. They’d be better picking people out of merit rather than for their immutable characteristics.
There are also more useless male pundits than there are decent ones, so your logic doesn’t make sense…….
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 18 Jan 16:06
RiggerAl: "Paul Scholes having to go through a Q and A on football tactics to two ladies ,who probably dont knowvhow to lace up a pair of football boots"
AlterEgo: "woman commentators are awful to listen to when they try and come across as seasoned pros sitting next to top pro players in the men’s game"
"Woman commentators in their own game if fine by me but they are brutal and not up with the men’s game in the Premiership etc"
"Nothing against them but it’s brutal to hear when they try to go over tactics etc."
"Nah if you listened to some of the female pundits [...] their reading of the game is brutal"
"woman footballers and commentators who have let the game of football down…."
Yeah, totally normal.non-sexost comments there.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 18 Jan 16:48
Quote:
Par Dan, Sat 18 Jan 13:04
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NMCmassive, Sat 18 Jan 00:12
Let’s be honest, there are some good female presenters etc but there are more that aren’t. I don’t know why they think it’ll be a good idea to put people in those positions that they’re clearly not qualified for 🤷🏻♂️ it seems like the whole DEI stuff to me. Football Focus is on a huge decline and I wouldn’t be surprised if Sky will be seeing a huge decline in some of their programming as well.
It’s not doing anyone any good. They’d be better picking people out of merit rather than for their immutable characteristics.
Not qualified ? How do you become qualified to become a football pundit ? An absolute bin fire of a thread .
Stick your CV in then, see how far you get…
COYP
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 18 Jan 16:53
Quote:
Dave_1885, Sat 18 Jan 14:24
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sat 18 Jan 00:12
Let’s be honest, there are some good female presenters etc but there are more that aren’t. I don’t know why they think it’ll be a good idea to put people in those positions that they’re clearly not qualified for 🤷🏻♂️ it seems like the whole DEI stuff to me. Football Focus is on a huge decline and I wouldn’t be surprised if Sky will be seeing a huge decline in some of their programming as well.
It’s not doing anyone any good. They’d be better picking people out of merit rather than for their immutable characteristics.
There are also more useless male pundits than there are decent ones, so your logic doesn’t make sense…….
I’d disagree there. I’d say there are more good male pundits/presenters etc than poor male pundits etc
Adrian Chiles & Michael Owen are two that get very limited work these days but there are others who were found out.
COYP
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Topic Originator: Par Dan
Date: Sat 18 Jan 17:15
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sat 18 Jan 16:48
Quote:
Par Dan, Sat 18 Jan 13:04
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sat 18 Jan 00:12
Let’s be honest, there are some good female presenters etc but there are more that aren’t. I don’t know why they think it’ll be a good idea to put people in those positions that they’re clearly not qualified for 🤷🏻♂️ it seems like the whole DEI stuff to me. Football Focus is on a huge decline and I wouldn’t be surprised if Sky will be seeing a huge decline in some of their programming as well.
It’s not doing anyone any good. They’d be better picking people out of merit rather than for their immutable characteristics.
Not qualified ? How do you become qualified to become a football pundit ? An absolute bin fire of a thread .
Stick your CV in then, see how far you get…
Last thing anyone wants is to have to look at my stupid coupon on Match of the Day.
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Topic Originator: d3monstrate
Date: Sat 18 Jan 22:45
Was expecting more action on this thread with Peter Grant being on Sportscene...
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 19 Jan 19:48
WSL game on just now and three females in the studio. No males.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 19 Jan 19:51
On the subject of annoying presenters, I nominate Robbie Savage.
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