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Topic Originator: coventrypar
Date: Mon 20 Jan 00:39
Read his interview on home site.
Very encouraging. Welcomes new ideas etc etc
We have had way too many players over the years who seem to have been poor and go onto good things after they leave us. And I think that on occasion is down to poor signings, not because the player is poor but because we ask them to play in a system or alongside players who don’t compliment them or are as good as them.
Wotherspoon is clearly intelligent but if the others aren’t in tune his passes go astray or the player hasn’t made the run. I think Joe is the same. He turns and turns looking for a pass and ends up passing 5 yds or back because no one has made the run.
It will be interesting to see which players shine ( and Joe may not of course) with a new style/pace of play under Tidser, that many of us have maybe written off. On that note MOH springs to mind.
"If you have no kind words to say you should say nothing more at all"
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 20 Jan 05:45
How refreshing to read a thoughtful, well-constructed post instead of those which simply lambast individual players with insulting terms such as "wage thief," etc.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Mon 20 Jan 06:11
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coventrypar, Mon 20 Jan 00:39
Read his interview on home site.
Very encouraging. Welcomes new ideas etc etc
We have had way too many players over the years who seem to have been poor and go onto good things after they leave us. And I think that on occasion is down to poor signings, not because the player is poor but because we ask them to play in a system or alongside players who don’t compliment them or are as good as them.
Wotherspoon is clearly intelligent but if the others aren’t in tune his passes go astray or the player hasn’t made the run. I think Joe is the same. He turns and turns looking for a pass and ends up passing 5 yds or back because no one has made the run.
It will be interesting to see which players shine ( and Joe may not of course) with a new style/pace of play under Tidser, that many of us have maybe written off. On that note MOH springs to mind.
Good post
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Topic Originator: neils
Date: Mon 20 Jan 07:27
I like Joe Chalmers also, pretty much always finds his man, very tidy player, rarely caught in possession and has a sweet foot.
His positioning is good also, doesn`t just pass sideways to anyone, I feel criticism is just a pile, a lot of our fans just like someone to run around a lot even if they are out of position or getting exploited by the opposition.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 20 Jan 08:22
Good post coventrypar
I hope Joe does well under the new management .. I like him as a player and if the forwards make the runs Joe will make the passes
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Mon 20 Jan 09:39
I always thought he was wrongly maligned, he can only pass forward when someone moves to let him, I look forward to how he`ll get on with the new manager and hopefully a less shackled style of play.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Mon 20 Jan 10:09
Well did anyone see that brilliant ball when he came on against ayr, his first pass, excellent switchback over everyone to find mcann in the box, hes clearly a cabaple player :)
COYP
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Mon 20 Jan 10:37
Players such as Chalmers, Wotherspoon, Ohalloran and Clay have been playing for years, must have some football abilities?
Problem is that some on this forum don`t recognise a football player!
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Topic Originator: CitizenPar
Date: Mon 20 Jan 10:40
A refreshing post. I believe Joe, MOH and Deniz are all good players who are too often lambasted through no fault of their own.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 20 Jan 11:57
No-one on these forums knows what goes on behind the scenes and the reasons players do/do not play well. We`ve had plenty players who have moved on and done better/worse than when they were with us. It`s no different to any job where it often depends on if you`re the right fit for that team.
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Topic Originator: coventrypar
Date: Mon 20 Jan 14:34
Topic Originator: GG Riva like
Date: Mon 20 Jan 05:45
How refreshing to read a thoughtful, well-constructed post instead of those which simply lambast individual players with insulting terms such as "wage thief," etc.
Cheers GG
One of the issues with this forum is the same few, turn seasoned debate into eye scratching and handbags. It then potentially stops people posting or starting posts more often as the reading of the same old $hite throwing on most threads makes you fear for some peoples sanity.
"If you have no kind words to say you should say nothing more at all"
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Mon 20 Jan 16:41
Yes he’s not had many intelligent runners to pass to in forward positions and a lack of pace in the team means there’s rarely a defence splitting pass on but in this league where everything is hard fought you need to hard in the tackle and have pace to get back in as well as good positioning to cover etc and neither of these does Joe have. Not great in the air either for a taller player.
He’s not a defensive midfielder for me for the above reasons and he’s not got a goal in him, not sure if he’d be better as an attacking midfielder but again he’s not got the pace to get away from anyone and hasn’t got a trick so hard to imagine that would work.
He looked decent at a lower level in the same position that he’s struggled at this season and the season we went down. Not all players are good enough even if they are played a certain way to accommodate them.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 20 Jan 16:42
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Berkey, Mon 20 Jan 16:41
Yes he’s not had many intelligent runners to pass to in forward positions and a lack of pace in the team means there’s rarely a defence splitting pass on but in this league where everything is hard fought you need to hard in the tackle and have pace to get back in as well as good positioning to cover etc and neither of these does Joe have. Not great in the air either for a taller player.
He’s not a defensive midfielder for me for the above reasons and he’s not got a goal in him, not sure if he’d be better as an attacking midfielder but again he’s not got the pace to get away from anyone and hasn’t got a trick so hard to imagine that would work.
He looked decent at a lower level in the same position that he’s struggled at this season and the season we went down. Not all players are good enough even if they are played a certain way to accommodate them.
Aye but apart from that......
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 20 Jan 16:53
Who needs data analysis when we`ve got Berkey?
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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar
Date: Mon 20 Jan 17:05
Well it was good while it lasted coventrypar, but you were bound to realise that ` the few ` would be along soon enough..........
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Mon 20 Jan 17:06
Joe, MOH and Mehmet are good League One players. There’s no denying that but they aren’t good enough for the Championship.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Mon 20 Jan 21:38
Sorry alwaysapar, I mistook this for a football forum instead of a Joe chalmers appreciation forum.
It’s a forum for differing opinions and discussion. Perhaps this isn’t for you.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar
Date: Mon 20 Jan 21:58
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Berkey, Mon 20 Jan 21:38
Sorry alwaysapar, I mistook this for a football forum instead of a Joe chalmers appreciation forum.
It’s a forum for differing opinions and discussion. Perhaps this isn’t for you.
Well Berkey, as one who always encourages opinions on a forum under the one subject matter, I always appreciate your opinions whether I agree with them or not, and giving a different view point is what debating is all about
Unfortunately you`ve taken my comment of `the few` as if I was including you whereas my point and the point that coventrypar was making was in regards to the automatic replies that tend to follow your posts, which of course is no fault of yours
I think you might find that proper debating forums is quite a nice place for me to be 👍
Post Edited (Mon 20 Jan 21:59)
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Topic Originator: dafc111
Date: Mon 20 Jan 22:15
Quote:
Berkey, Mon 20 Jan 16:41
Yes he’s not had many intelligent runners to pass to in forward positions and a lack of pace in the team means there’s rarely a defence splitting pass on but in this league where everything is hard fought you need to hard in the tackle and have pace to get back in as well as good positioning to cover etc and neither of these does Joe have. Not great in the air either for a taller player.
He’s not a defensive midfielder for me for the above reasons and he’s not got a goal in him, not sure if he’d be better as an attacking midfielder but again he’s not got the pace to get away from anyone and hasn’t got a trick so hard to imagine that would work.
He looked decent at a lower level in the same position that he’s struggled at this season and the season we went down. Not all players are good enough even if they are played a certain way to accommodate them.
Would agree with this. On the ball, Chalmers is decent enough and can create chances but he`s wasted playing defensive midfield. Too slow and can`t tackle. Similarly, he`s not suited to playing in a more advanced role, you`d much rather have a Todd/Cooper in there who can get chip in with a few goals and get up and down the park.
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