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Topic Originator: coventrypar
Date: Mon 20 Jan 00:39
Read his interview on home site.
Very encouraging. Welcomes new ideas etc etc
We have had way too many players over the years who seem to have been poor and go onto good things after they leave us. And I think that on occasion is down to poor signings, not because the player is poor but because we ask them to play in a system or alongside players who don’t compliment them or are as good as them.
Wotherspoon is clearly intelligent but if the others aren’t in tune his passes go astray or the player hasn’t made the run. I think Joe is the same. He turns and turns looking for a pass and ends up passing 5 yds or back because no one has made the run.
It will be interesting to see which players shine ( and Joe may not of course) with a new style/pace of play under Tidser, that many of us have maybe written off. On that note MOH springs to mind.
"If you have no kind words to say you should say nothing more at all"
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 20 Jan 05:45
How refreshing to read a thoughtful, well-constructed post instead of those which simply lambast individual players with insulting terms such as "wage thief," etc.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Mon 20 Jan 06:11
Quote:
coventrypar, Mon 20 Jan 00:39
Read his interview on home site.
Very encouraging. Welcomes new ideas etc etc
We have had way too many players over the years who seem to have been poor and go onto good things after they leave us. And I think that on occasion is down to poor signings, not because the player is poor but because we ask them to play in a system or alongside players who don’t compliment them or are as good as them.
Wotherspoon is clearly intelligent but if the others aren’t in tune his passes go astray or the player hasn’t made the run. I think Joe is the same. He turns and turns looking for a pass and ends up passing 5 yds or back because no one has made the run.
It will be interesting to see which players shine ( and Joe may not of course) with a new style/pace of play under Tidser, that many of us have maybe written off. On that note MOH springs to mind.
Good post
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Topic Originator: neils
Date: Mon 20 Jan 07:27
I like Joe Chalmers also, pretty much always finds his man, very tidy player, rarely caught in possession and has a sweet foot.
His positioning is good also, doesn`t just pass sideways to anyone, I feel criticism is just a pile, a lot of our fans just like someone to run around a lot even if they are out of position or getting exploited by the opposition.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 20 Jan 08:22
Good post coventrypar
I hope Joe does well under the new management .. I like him as a player and if the forwards make the runs Joe will make the passes
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Mon 20 Jan 09:39
I always thought he was wrongly maligned, he can only pass forward when someone moves to let him, I look forward to how he`ll get on with the new manager and hopefully a less shackled style of play.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Mon 20 Jan 10:09
Well did anyone see that brilliant ball when he came on against ayr, his first pass, excellent switchback over everyone to find mcann in the box, hes clearly a cabaple player :)
COYP
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Mon 20 Jan 10:37
Players such as Chalmers, Wotherspoon, Ohalloran and Clay have been playing for years, must have some football abilities?
Problem is that some on this forum don`t recognise a football player!
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Topic Originator: CitizenPar
Date: Mon 20 Jan 10:40
A refreshing post. I believe Joe, MOH and Deniz are all good players who are too often lambasted through no fault of their own.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 20 Jan 11:57
No-one on these forums knows what goes on behind the scenes and the reasons players do/do not play well. We`ve had plenty players who have moved on and done better/worse than when they were with us. It`s no different to any job where it often depends on if you`re the right fit for that team.
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Topic Originator: coventrypar
Date: Mon 20 Jan 14:34
Topic Originator: GG Riva like
Date: Mon 20 Jan 05:45
How refreshing to read a thoughtful, well-constructed post instead of those which simply lambast individual players with insulting terms such as "wage thief," etc.
Cheers GG
One of the issues with this forum is the same few, turn seasoned debate into eye scratching and handbags. It then potentially stops people posting or starting posts more often as the reading of the same old $hite throwing on most threads makes you fear for some peoples sanity.
"If you have no kind words to say you should say nothing more at all"
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Mon 20 Jan 16:41
Yes he’s not had many intelligent runners to pass to in forward positions and a lack of pace in the team means there’s rarely a defence splitting pass on but in this league where everything is hard fought you need to hard in the tackle and have pace to get back in as well as good positioning to cover etc and neither of these does Joe have. Not great in the air either for a taller player.
He’s not a defensive midfielder for me for the above reasons and he’s not got a goal in him, not sure if he’d be better as an attacking midfielder but again he’s not got the pace to get away from anyone and hasn’t got a trick so hard to imagine that would work.
He looked decent at a lower level in the same position that he’s struggled at this season and the season we went down. Not all players are good enough even if they are played a certain way to accommodate them.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 20 Jan 16:42
Quote:
Berkey, Mon 20 Jan 16:41
Yes he’s not had many intelligent runners to pass to in forward positions and a lack of pace in the team means there’s rarely a defence splitting pass on but in this league where everything is hard fought you need to hard in the tackle and have pace to get back in as well as good positioning to cover etc and neither of these does Joe have. Not great in the air either for a taller player.
He’s not a defensive midfielder for me for the above reasons and he’s not got a goal in him, not sure if he’d be better as an attacking midfielder but again he’s not got the pace to get away from anyone and hasn’t got a trick so hard to imagine that would work.
He looked decent at a lower level in the same position that he’s struggled at this season and the season we went down. Not all players are good enough even if they are played a certain way to accommodate them.
Aye but apart from that......
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 20 Jan 16:53
Who needs data analysis when we`ve got Berkey?
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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar
Date: Mon 20 Jan 17:05
Well it was good while it lasted coventrypar, but you were bound to realise that ` the few ` would be along soon enough..........
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Mon 20 Jan 17:06
Joe, MOH and Mehmet are good League One players. There’s no denying that but they aren’t good enough for the Championship.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Mon 20 Jan 21:38
Sorry alwaysapar, I mistook this for a football forum instead of a Joe chalmers appreciation forum.
It’s a forum for differing opinions and discussion. Perhaps this isn’t for you.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar
Date: Mon 20 Jan 21:58
Quote:
Berkey, Mon 20 Jan 21:38
Sorry alwaysapar, I mistook this for a football forum instead of a Joe chalmers appreciation forum.
It’s a forum for differing opinions and discussion. Perhaps this isn’t for you.
Well Berkey, as one who always encourages opinions on a forum under the one subject matter, I always appreciate your opinions whether I agree with them or not, and giving a different view point is what debating is all about
Unfortunately you`ve taken my comment of `the few` as if I was including you whereas my point and the point that coventrypar was making was in regards to the automatic replies that tend to follow your posts, which of course is no fault of yours
I think you might find that proper debating forums is quite a nice place for me to be 👍
Post Edited (Mon 20 Jan 21:59)
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Topic Originator: dafc111
Date: Mon 20 Jan 22:15
Quote:
Berkey, Mon 20 Jan 16:41
Yes he’s not had many intelligent runners to pass to in forward positions and a lack of pace in the team means there’s rarely a defence splitting pass on but in this league where everything is hard fought you need to hard in the tackle and have pace to get back in as well as good positioning to cover etc and neither of these does Joe have. Not great in the air either for a taller player.
He’s not a defensive midfielder for me for the above reasons and he’s not got a goal in him, not sure if he’d be better as an attacking midfielder but again he’s not got the pace to get away from anyone and hasn’t got a trick so hard to imagine that would work.
He looked decent at a lower level in the same position that he’s struggled at this season and the season we went down. Not all players are good enough even if they are played a certain way to accommodate them.
Would agree with this. On the ball, Chalmers is decent enough and can create chances but he`s wasted playing defensive midfield. Too slow and can`t tackle. Similarly, he`s not suited to playing in a more advanced role, you`d much rather have a Todd/Cooper in there who can get chip in with a few goals and get up and down the park.
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Tue 21 Jan 13:32
Shelleypar mentions a great pass that Joe made, when he came on against Ayr and I noticed that too. He does possess qualities that no-one else in the team has. He may not be a ball winner like Chris Hamilton but if he can develop other parts of his game he could be great for us. Sometimes passing sideways or back is the best option. The high press and all out attack is good but it requires expending loads of energy and there are times in every game when the players need a breather.
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Tue 21 Jan 13:40
Good to hear Joe getting some positive recognition .
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Topic Originator: RhinoPars
Date: Tue 21 Jan 17:04
Good post Coventry Par. One thing I like about him is he never hides and is always looking to make himself available for a pass like Neil Lennon used to do. Hopefully with the shackles off and a manager who might value footballing skill a bit more there will be more movement ahead of him so we can progress forward with more pace. Sensible move by the new manager to keep Otoo in midfield where he is best. Well done to Jo for his performance in a position he hasn’t played for many years.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 21 Jan 19:04
If all our players were all the things we wanted them to be they wouldn`t be here.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Tue 21 Jan 19:17
Quote:
da_no_1, Tue 21 Jan 19:04
If all our players were all the things we wanted them to be they wouldn`t be here.
Never a truer word, da no 1. 🙂
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Wed 22 Jan 01:22
Quote:
da_no_1, Tue 21 Jan 19:04
If all our players were all the things we wanted them to be they wouldn`t be here.
Or they would be here, but we wouldn`t.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 22 Jan 06:46
Quote:
PARrot, Wed 22 Jan 01:22
Quote:
da_no_1, Tue 21 Jan 19:04
If all our players were all the things we wanted them to be they wouldn`t be here.
Or they would be here, but we wouldn`t.
True.....👍👍
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Wed 22 Jan 08:18
I have always liked Joe Chalmers. As others have said his game has suffered due to the lack of movement in front of him.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 23 Jan 19:10
I’ve got to be honest, Joe Chalmers might pass the odd ball well but 9/10 he’s not been good enough 🤷🏻♂️
He wasn’t good enough when we were relegated last time and his performances since we returned in general haven’t been good enough. Defensively it’s like we’re a man down in the middle of the park when he plays and he’s to slow on the ball when we’ve got it.
I hope he becomes a great player for us but I don’t see it happening anytime soon
COYP
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Topic Originator: par_33
Date: Sat 25 Jan 18:10
Found out today again, League 1 player at best.
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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Sat 25 Jan 18:13
last week was decent this week horrendous, shows you what level he is at
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Topic Originator: CrossPar
Date: Sat 25 Jan 18:17
It was never going to work playing him at full back, he can neither run or tackle. Ok with the ball, terrible without it.
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Sat 25 Jan 18:17
I was a big advocate for Chalmers last season given how great he was in L1. Going to say something contentious though, I didn`t think he was great last week. There were so many times he took a poor touch or the ball just bounced off him. I didn`t think he looked sharp at all. He also didn`t have a great deal to do defensively.
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Topic Originator: TommyR
Date: Sat 25 Jan 18:33
Can`t wait for summer because this man won`t be playing full time football again.
He offers nothing and never has in the championship. Gets carried by the team on a good day and exposed for all to see on bad day.
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Sat 25 Jan 18:44
Awful player…league one inbound
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Topic Originator: summeragent
Date: Sat 25 Jan 18:49
I like JC but we need better players.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 25 Jan 18:59
Not a fan and really have never been, the epitome of a league 1 player for me.
His best position appears to be midfield and he’s not championship level at that so at left back I’d imagine he’d be pretty brutal.
He has been lucky the season we went down he had a contract courtesy of yogi when better players had to leave and lucky again last summer than mcpake handed him a 2 year deal based on league 1 performances. Luck running out this summer though and it’s the same with the likes of wighton.
This was mcpakes team and they didn’t bother for him, why would we expect them to perform for a new manager? They know they will be away in the summer anyway.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Sat 25 Jan 19:10
"but we need better players."
in every position. even more so for how Tidser wants to play although some who could do the basics would be a start especially in midfield.
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Sat 25 Jan 19:14
Todd sold him short with a pass and he no choice but to bring the boy down and take a booking for the team, after that he was up against it on a booking and without being blessed with pace Airdrie were targetting him before he got subbed.
Prior to that i thought he was OK and certainly nowhere near the worst today.
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"People always talk about Ronaldinho and magic, but I didn't see him today. I saw Henrik Larsson; that's where the magic was."
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Sat 25 Jan 19:15
^^ and nowhere near the reason why we lost 3-0 today
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Topic Originator: airdriepar
Date: Sat 25 Jan 19:17
Todd was the worst player on the park today for me.
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Topic Originator: pacifist
Date: Sat 25 Jan 19:23
He aint a left back - no idea where that came from. But being a left back there`s not much more space for the ball to go even further backwards.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 25 Jan 21:07
if Chalmers can play left back at this level then Todd can play in the midfield.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, a decent season at full back in the championship then in the middle of the park in a dominant team in a very poor league 1 does not a championship midfielder make.
Be suprised if Todd starts against raith and if we get a decent midfielder in over the next week, Todd will struggle to get another start this season. Way off the pace but tbf he’s only had 2-3 decent games in the middle of the park at this level which tell you everything. Pretty sure Tidser saw enough today.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Football_Par
Date: Sat 25 Jan 21:13
Todd is still living off a half decent run in league1.
He`s just not at the level unfortunately
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Topic Originator: Parsfangaz
Date: Sat 25 Jan 22:32
Quote:
Berkey, Sat 25 Jan 21:07
if Chalmers can play left back at this level then Todd can play in the midfield.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, a decent season at full back in the championship then in the middle of the park in a dominant team in a very poor league 1 does not a championship midfielder make.
Be suprised if Todd starts against raith and if we get a decent midfielder in over the next week, Todd will struggle to get another start this season. Way off the pace but tbf he’s only had 2-3 decent games in the middle of the park at this level which tell you everything. Pretty sure Tidser saw enough today.
of todd starts next week the new management
need to be questioned
Post Edited (Sat 25 Jan 23:57)
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Topic Originator: Bertie Paton
Date: Sat 25 Jan 23:05
He`s a good League 1 player in a dominant side. Nowhere near good enough to progress our club. Like many more in our team.
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Topic Originator: Parsfangaz
Date: Sat 25 Jan 23:58
Quote:
pacifist, Sat 25 Jan 19:23
He aint a left back - no idea where that came from. But being a left back there`s not much more space for the ball to go even further backwards.
can you put that pihs in english
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sun 26 Jan 08:23
Quote:
CrossPar, Sat 25 Jan 18:17
It was never going to work playing him at full back, he can neither run or tackle. Ok with the ball, terrible without it.
Don`t think he`s scored a goal either.....
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Topic Originator: gordi-b
Date: Sun 26 Jan 09:35
Matty Todd , Lewis MCcann, and Paul Allen were quoted as being success stories from Fife Elite / Academy, none of them have hit the hieghts and are at the best 1st division material ,.
G.B
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sun 26 Jan 09:46
I think Joe gets unfairly targeted, however, if he`s a left back I`m handsome.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 26 Jan 12:41
Gordi-b both McCann and Todd are 24 in the summer and the club appear to have still not worked out they are not good enough.
Can’t argue this club doesn’t give locally sourced youngsters a chance, it’s quite the opposite, these youngsters get more chances than you think it would take to show the required ability.
McCann is playing to stay as he only has the option for another year which I think both parties need to agree too. Todd has another season I think.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 26 Jan 19:55
Quote:
Parsfangaz, Sat 25 Jan 23:58
Quote:
pacifist, Sat 25 Jan 19:23
He aint a left back - no idea where that came from. But being a left back there`s not much more space for the ball to go even further backwards.
can you put that pihs in english
He’s saying at least when he’s at left back he can’t pass the ball much further back cos let’s be honest, he loves a pass backwards
COYP
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 26 Jan 20:49
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sun 26 Jan 19:55
Quote:
Parsfangaz, Sat 25 Jan 23:58
Quote:
pacifist, Sat 25 Jan 19:23
He aint a left back - no idea where that came from. But being a left back there`s not much more space for the ball to go even further backwards.
can you put that pihs in english
He’s saying at least when he’s at left back he can’t pass the ball much further back cos let’s be honest, he loves a pass backwards
I`m not a fan of passing backwards, but it`s preferable to giving the ball away with a hopeful punt upfield.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: bannerpar
Date: Sun 26 Jan 21:04
Joe Chalmers played left back a lot in the early part of his career including at Scotland U17/U18 level although he doesn`t seem to have learned how to tackle. I have missed the last two games so can`t give an opinion on his performance but as soon as I saw we had been beaten I knew he would be one of those that would get singled out. If some fans put other players under the same microscope and were honest about what they see they might often come up with different scapegoats.
He may seem like a League 1 player to some but strangely enough the only time he has played there was that season with us.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 26 Jan 21:21
Quote:
GG Riva, Sun 26 Jan 20:49
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sun 26 Jan 19:55
Quote:
Parsfangaz, Sat 25 Jan 23:58
Quote:
pacifist, Sat 25 Jan 19:23
He aint a left back - no idea where that came from. But being a left back there`s not much more space for the ball to go even further backwards.
can you put that pihs in english
He’s saying at least when he’s at left back he can’t pass the ball much further back cos let’s be honest, he loves a pass backwards
I`m not a fan of passing backwards, but it`s preferable to giving the ball away with a hopeful punt upfield.
Well we either play possession and pass backwards or we be direct and play forward at pace. Can’t do both at the same time 🤷🏻♂️
COYP
Post Edited (Sun 26 Jan 21:21)
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sun 26 Jan 21:45
I think Chalmers is a decent enough player in this division. When you look at his career, he`s played more games in the Premier League and the League Cup than he has in his one season in League One, so you can`t really say he`s a League One player. He`s played about 40 games in his career at left back, including a dozen in the Premier League. I`d imagine the Premier League managers that named him on their team sheet to play there for them know a lot more than any of us about if he can play there or not
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Mon 27 Jan 08:55
Quote:
red-star-par, Sun 26 Jan 21:45
I think Chalmers is a decent enough player in this division. When you look at his career, he`s played more games in the Premier League and the League Cup than he has in his one season in League One, so you can`t really say he`s a League One player. He`s played about 40 games in his career at left back, including a dozen in the Premier League. I`d imagine the Premier League managers that named him on their team sheet to play there for them know a lot more than any of us about if he can play there or not
We don`t play in the past though, we play in the now?
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Mon 27 Jan 09:32
There was other players as bad if not worse than JC On Saturday
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Topic Originator: gordi-b
Date: Mon 27 Jan 12:30
Rigger Al wrote:
> There was other players as bad if not worse than JC On Saturday
Aye Matty Todd , been honking for weeks
G.B
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