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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 11 Feb 17:36
It`s often stated on here that we lose an awful lot of goals from corners and free kicks and that does seem to be the case but are there any statistics which prove we lose more than other teams in the Championship? Coaches and managers always despair over goals conceded from set plays but at the same time teams seem to spend a lot of time practising them so presumably these same coaches and managers must think they give an opportunity for their sides to have an edge over the opposition because players know what plays to expect and can react accordingly. If you have someone who can deliver the ball accurately and another who is good in the air they can gain an advantage over defenders which is difficult to counter,
When we were conceding goals from set plays in the early part of the season the causes were often claimed to be a keeper who wouldn`t come off his line or a coach and assistant coach who, despite being defenders themselves, couldn`t drill the players to cope with them. None of these three is around the first team now but we still concede them. I`ve always thought the most likely explanation is players not carrying out the role assigned to them or not having the ability to compete with the superior skills of the opposition.
At the other end of the pitch we don`t seem to score that many goals from set plays but is that supported by stats?
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Topic Originator: neilholland999
Date: Tue 11 Feb 18:22
Does it need to be supported by stats? As we like to keep reminding John McGlynn, games are not won on the number of corners etc 😜
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Topic Originator: neils
Date: Tue 11 Feb 18:36
It`s from set plays, that`s not the issue but the main issue with us is unmarked!
I don`t know if we are not drilled enough, I think it`s more we are too static.
I can`t remember us being quite be this bad, but even though I live overseas, been to quite a few games this season, and some (like Queens Park at home) they were there for the taking, and we lose identical goals from a free hit/header.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 11 Feb 18:44
All teams lose goals from set plays, even at the highest level. I just wondered how we compared to the norm. There are stats for everything now but I don`t know where to access them.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Tue 11 Feb 18:55
Man U have lost many goals from set plays this season. At least 10.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: par-91
Date: Tue 11 Feb 21:19
If it wasn’t for set plays, we wouldn’t have many goals (or points) this season. Off the top of my head, since McPake left:
3 goals v Falkirk, 2 penalties and 1 from a corner
4 v Partick, 1 was from a corner
3 v Stenhousemuir, 1 was from a corner
3 v Raith, 2 penalties and one from a corner
Even earlier in the season, a lot of our goals seem to have come from set pieces, when we have picked up points.
3-2 win v Hamilton, we scored from a free kick and from a corner.
3-0 v Livi, 2 goals were from corners
1-1 away to Airdrie, our goal was a penalty
2-0 v Raith, we opened the scoring from a corner
The fact we seem to both score and concede a high percentage of goals from set pieces suggests thats just how things are this season, in the championship. Very little coming from open play. So if we can improve set piece defending, we should be able to get results.
Post Edited (Tue 11 Feb 21:19)
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 11 Feb 21:38
I could not care any less how we score as long as we do.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 11 Feb 22:54
I wasn`t including penalties but I think I saw a stat that Chris Kane has scored 8 League goals including pens and is the most productive scorer in the Championship based on goals per minute on the pitch.
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Topic Originator: 7 Eleven
Date: Wed 12 Feb 14:54
Quote:
wee eck, Tue 11 Feb 17:36
It`s often stated on here that we lose an awful lot of goals from corners and free kicks and that does seem to be the case but are there any statistics which prove we lose more than other teams in the Championship?
Coaches and managers always despair over goals conceded from set plays but at the same time teams seem to spend a lot of time practising them …
When we were conceding goals from set plays in the early part of the season the causes were often claimed to be a keeper who wouldn`t come off his line or a coach and assistant coach who, despite being defenders themselves, couldn`t drill the players to cope with them. … but we still concede them.
I`ve always thought the most likely explanation is players not carrying out the role assigned to them or not having the ability to compete with the superior skills of the opposition.
At the other end of the pitch we don`t seem to score that many goals from set plays but is that supported by stats?
There are no publicly available stats that I can find on goals conceded from set plays in the SPFL Championship. However, I know these stats are available on Wyscout, but I don’t have access to it anymore.
I’d question if a team like Dunfermline do spend enough time practicing set-pieces, based on the fact teams with designated set piece coaches still struggle to provide them adequate access time.
Regardless of how much practice time is provided individual players need to take responsibility live during games. Just look at the corner goal conceded vs. Livingston, which ultimately cost the game. Not a single player identifies that the whole back half of the penalty box was left open. Also, it was one of the new young players just signed whose direct opponent scored.
Also, the free kick conceded vs. Aberdeen there was a player who has no idea where he was meant to be trying to get into position as the ball is played in. The attention to the small details separates teams at the top end and those at the bottom.
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