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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Thu 27 Mar 14:34
Notice in todays sun 2 of our players were up in court today in regards to a "serious assault" and "danger to life", with no ple entered I am hoping its maybe not all truth :0
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Topic Originator: Athletico
Date: Thu 27 Mar 14:35
Bene and Fisher. Should be nowhere near the team if that`s the case, innocent or not, we don`t need their baggage going into the last 7.
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Thu 27 Mar 14:36
Bene and Sam Fisher are the 2 named
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Thu 27 Mar 14:46
Fisher has been nowhere near the squad really and one that should be released if we can at the end of the season.
Bene is a tricky one, underperforming and another I’d let go at the end of the season but would err on playing him on Saturday if we can.
We’re better with him than without I think.m, unless we put Otoo at the back and have Wanyama in midfield with another. Not a fan of Hamilton at the back but that’s another option.
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Thu 27 Mar 14:48
I forgot about Sam Fisher (lead badass stealth ninja character in videogame Splinter Cell), with James Bond owning the club we`re turning into a club of spies.
Pars fan.
Magpies fan.
Mens tennis fan.
Alternative rock fan.
Not a fan of much else.
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Thu 27 Mar 14:49
Both should be out the door if guilty, no room in our club for thugs.
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Thu 27 Mar 14:55
Imagine he’ll still play on until it’s done in court.
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Thu 27 Mar 15:00
Innocent til proven guilty, maybe they beat up a man who is a n0nce, or beat up a woman beater, who knows
COYP
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Thu 27 Mar 15:00
Personally I think bene should be dropped for purely footballing reasons. His lack of pace is exploited heavily by our opponents and I don`t think his leadership compensates for that. He might be ok in a back 3, but not a 4.
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Topic Originator: sonofpetrie
Date: Thu 27 Mar 15:19
Not sure about Fisher but not Benny`s first assault charge. Threat to life sounds horrific.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary"
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Thu 27 Mar 15:21
"Innocent til proven guilty, maybe they beat up a man who is a n0nce, or beat up a woman beater, who knows"
so that gives them the right to take the law into their own hands and leave someone with "danger to life" injuries?
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 27 Mar 15:27
Quote:
sonofpetrie, Thu 27 Mar 15:19
Not sure about Fisher but not Benny`s first assault charge. Threat to life sounds horrific.
It’s a standard court matter description when assault is involved.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: General Zod
Date: Thu 27 Mar 15:27
Fisher gives off serious ned vibes and Bene looks like a painter & decorator. I doubt either will be around next season.
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Topic Originator: Kintos
Date: Thu 27 Mar 15:29
Quote:
buffy, Thu 27 Mar 15:27
Quote:
sonofpetrie, Thu 27 Mar 15:19
Not sure about Fisher but not Benny`s first assault charge. Threat to life sounds horrific.
It’s a standard court matter description when assault is involved.
It certainly isn’t Buffy! Not a good look at all for these 2 whatever the context on the incident might be.
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Topic Originator: Athletico
Date: Thu 27 Mar 15:31
Assault to severe injury and danger to life - I`m no expert, but I believe this is essentially GBH.
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Topic Originator: ParInExile
Date: Thu 27 Mar 15:35
Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 27 Mar 15:27
Quote:
sonofpetrie, Thu 27 Mar 15:19
Not sure about Fisher but not Benny`s first assault charge. Threat to life sounds horrific.
It’s a standard court matter description when assault is involved.
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NO WAY is that standard wording for an assault - that`s an extremely serious charge.
I know it`s innocent until proven guilty but I`d drop him while this is hanging over him - a needless distraction.
Post Edited (Thu 27 Mar 15:36)
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 27 Mar 15:43
I work in criminal defence. Take it from me it is standard wording for an assault (serious of course)
FYI
“In the context of Scottish law, a threat to life can be a serious aggravating factor in an assault charge, potentially leading to a more severe sentence, ranging from imprisonment to life imprisonment depending on the severity of the assault and the intent of the perpetrator.
Here`s a more detailed explanation:
Assault in Scotland:
Assault in Scotland covers a wide range of actions, from verbal threats to physical violence, and the severity of the sentence depends on the nature and consequences of the assault.
Threat to Life as an Aggravating Factor:
A threat to life, meaning a threat to cause death or serious harm, can significantly increase the severity of an assault charge.
Sentencing:
The sentencing for assault, including those involving threats to life, can range from a verbal warning to life imprisonment, depending on the circumstances of the case.”
I’m not making light of this at all before anyone comes at me. It’s a serious matter and I hope they both have good defence solicitors.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Thu 27 Mar 15:51
I`m going to put it out there that Buffy will know more about court terminology than most on here.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Thu 27 Mar 15:53
threat to life is a little more than an argument over a split pint and a black eye.
Hopefully the rumours are just that but severity of charges and injuries being discussed (2+2...)
Hopefully the victim has made or is making a full recovery
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Topic Originator: Kintos
Date: Thu 27 Mar 15:54
Quote:
buffy, Thu 27 Mar 15:43
I work in criminal defence. Take it from me it is standard wording for an assault (serious of course)
FYI
“In the context of Scottish law, a threat to life can be a serious aggravating factor in an assault charge, potentially leading to a more severe sentence, ranging from imprisonment to life imprisonment depending on the severity of the assault and the intent of the perpetrator.
Here`s a more detailed explanation:
Assault in Scotland:
Assault in Scotland covers a wide range of actions, from verbal threats to physical violence, and the severity of the sentence depends on the nature and consequences of the assault.
Threat to Life as an Aggravating Factor:
A threat to life, meaning a threat to cause death or serious harm, can significantly increase the severity of an assault charge.
Sentencing:
The sentencing for assault, including those involving threats to life, can range from a verbal warning to life imprisonment, depending on the circumstances of the case.”
I’m not making light of this at all before anyone comes at me. It’s a serious matter and I hope they both have good defence solicitors.
Yes it is a standard descriptor in the context of that aggravation. The way you put in your sentence made it sound like all, or many assault cases(regardless of the severity) came with that descriptor. I’ve dealt with many assault/serious assault cases, with severe injury or permanent disfigurement aggravations where threat to life was not included.
Fair do’s if I’ve misinterpreted what you were suggesting, my apologies
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Topic Originator: Luxembourg Par
Date: Thu 27 Mar 15:54
Quote:
Athletico, Thu 27 Mar 15:31
Assault to severe injury and danger to life - I`m no expert, but I believe this is essentially GBH.
GBH being an English criminal law charge - not available/possible in Scotland
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Thu 27 Mar 15:55
One punch can result in a black eye, or loss of life.
We don’t know any details, so I ain’t jumping on any bandwagon and slagging off the two involved.
It will become clear in due course.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Athletico
Date: Thu 27 Mar 15:56
Yeah... I know. But the charge is essentially GBH, which is a term people are more familiar with.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Thu 27 Mar 16:03
Maybe they met one of the keyboard warriors from this forum?🤔
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Topic Originator: Luxembourg Par
Date: Thu 27 Mar 16:05
Not at all.
GBH is ‘the severest form of battery’ - much more than a slap in the coupon.
Assault or Serious Assault is the equivalent.
‘Threat to life’ does not mean that the victim was nearly killed - it means exactly what it says
- THREAT to life, which could be as ‘little’ as being in someone’s face, telling them that you are gonna rip their heid aff - ie kill them.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 27 Mar 16:12
Kintos, no worries chuck. It was an automatic reaction from me whilst travelling on the train with yet another whoosh of beeps on the ol mobile. X
The standard wording of many types of cases in Scottish law is mind bending and I wish I didn’t have to deal with any kind at all - it would turn yer hair grey and then some. But I’d no have a job 😂
Please remember folks this is all based on an allegation at this stage. Being charged isn’t the same as being found guilty. Tendering no pleas simply means they were in court to address the charges and state their identification.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Thu 27 Mar 16:18
Buffy, I’ve seen a description from the person who was assaulted. Absolutely disgraceful and not first time either for Bene. Shouldn’t be in the squad going forward until this is cleared up
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Thu 27 Mar 16:37
Never knew about that charge from 14 years ago. Very poor.
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Thu 27 Mar 16:49
Maybe they should have left their fighting spirit on the football park .Strong e ough accusations to go to court ,I wiuld remove the captaincy from Bene ,until the case is closed,Sadly dont even thi k we would miss him playing right now ,,,just my opinion
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Thu 27 Mar 16:57
When did this latest assault happen? The article doesn’t say.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Thu 27 Mar 17:18
The article is from March 2011 and says the incident took place on 2nd Jan. I assumed they meant the same year?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 27 Mar 17:25
`When did this latest assault happen? The article doesn’t say.`
Club statement on COWS -
`DAFC can confirm that club captain Kyle Benedictus and defender Sam Fisher have appeared in court in relation to an alleged assault following an altercation in Edinburgh several weeks ago.
As this is an on-going legal case, the club has no further comment to add at this time.`
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 27 Mar 17:39
So Sad to read this and to add his previous from 2011 as well
We need to wait and see the full facts .. its all conjecture right now
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Thu 27 Mar 17:43
Bet the club wished they never arranged that day out after the Morton game now
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Thu 27 Mar 17:48
Whatever the reasons for the scuffle, it’s very serious.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
Post Edited (Thu 27 Mar 19:09)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 27 Mar 18:06
Maybe we should follow the advice in the club statement.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 27 Mar 19:04
sound advice wee eck
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Gregshawsgranny
Date: Thu 27 Mar 19:09
Everyone needs to be careful when commenting about this whether on here or elsewhere. Revealing details about things or anything that is related to the case that could “influence jurors” would be considered contempt of court. That’s why the club aren’t commenting further.
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Thu 27 Mar 19:10
Innocent until proven guilty….lets move on and sign Garry Hooper tomm!
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: LEGEND85
Date: Thu 27 Mar 19:18
The owners will be raging about this given the positivity and good media coverage.
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Topic Originator: Gaz3822
Date: Thu 27 Mar 19:23
This hanging over Bene maybe explains his lack of form over the weeks.
Ps forget about Hooper
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Thu 27 Mar 19:24
Topic Originator: Buspasspar like
Date: Thu 27 Mar 17:39
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End his career ?……..get real…ffs….
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: brian
Date: Thu 27 Mar 19:29
please be very careful about what you say, guessing or making up stuff isn`t appropriate. thank you
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Thu 27 Mar 19:32
Think this should no longer be commented on,it’s doing nobody any favours.Courts will deal with it .
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