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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 9 Apr 11:21
SFA official Alan Muir has been told his VAR career is over after the former referee blundered by disallowing a Celtic goal against Hibernian in February that should not have been overturned. (Scottish Sun)
He also denied Rangers a penalty against Celtic in the Premier Sports Cup final so upsetting both sides of the OF obviously isn`t a good career move. He`s being kept on as a referee observer though.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Wed 9 Apr 15:25
Doesn’t the match official have the final call on VAR ?
If so he should be called to account as well.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 9 Apr 15:31
You`d better speak to Willie Collum about that! Apparently NL has had a wee chat with him about the standard of refereeing in the Championship.
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Wed 9 Apr 15:38
I see it`s David Dickinson on Saturday, he`s had Celtic and Rangers games the last twice, hoping someone can hit a real Bobby Dazzler from 30 yards.
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Wed 9 Apr 15:38
"Doesn’t the match official have the final call on VAR ?"
when it comes to a subjective decision (endangering saftey of opponent) then yes. when it comes to a factual decision (offside/ball in or out of play) then No.
Muir made a decision the ball was out of play based on very inconclusive video evidence over-ruling the onfield descision which was goal.
Similarly did not recommend referee to give a penalty when the player was on the line (and therefore INSIDE the area) in the league cup final.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxVKVzcBqGg can see Collum discussing the incident in the March VAR review thats published.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Wed 9 Apr 15:58
Hopefully the first of a number? Some of the VAR decisions in England and Scotland have been disgraceful.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
Post Edited (Wed 09 Apr 15:59)
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Wed 9 Apr 17:29
I hate VAR with a passion, well the way it’s being used.
They seem to check every goal scored and find a reason not to give it.
Clear and Obvious errors, clear and obvious.
That isn’t 5-6mins as in my mind that isn’t clear and obvious.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 9 Apr 17:57
VAR has categorically made refereeing in Scotland worse than before. Officials cant make a decision in games without it. And when they do they 9/10 get it wrong. The amount of errors on Saturday were mind boggling (and I don’t include the Yeboah penalty claim). Something needs done about it and fast.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 9 Apr 19:22
Quote:
Dave_1885, Wed 9 Apr 17:57
VAR has categorically made refereeing in Scotland worse than before. Officials cant make a decision in games without it. And when they do they 9/10 get it wrong. The amount of errors on Saturday were mind boggling (and I don’t include the Yeboah penalty claim). Something needs done about it and fast.
I`m trying to figure out what you think should be done about the poor standard of officiating, Dave. On the one hand, you`re saying the standard of refereeing is poor, but you`re also convinced that the introduction of VAR has made it even worse.
Are you in favour of binning VAR? That would only impact the Premiership. The standard in the Championship and Leagues 1 and 2 will still be abysmal. ☹️
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 9 Apr 19:47
I think back in the day before VAR we had to take the refs decision in real time .. many of us maybe did not agree with the decision for what ever reason but it stood regardless .. then maybe during the highlights it was shown to be the wrong decision .. too late tho
Now bring in VAR .. The ref and supposedly senior experienced officials now have the benefit of real time playback .. slow mo playback .. forward/reverse playback .. but they still get it wrong .. Its not VAR to blame its the incompetents who are running it
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 9 Apr 20:15
Quote:
GG Riva, Wed 9 Apr 19:22
Quote:
Dave_1885, Wed 9 Apr 17:57
VAR has categorically made refereeing in Scotland worse than before. Officials cant make a decision in games without it. And when they do they 9/10 get it wrong. The amount of errors on Saturday were mind boggling (and I don’t include the Yeboah penalty claim). Something needs done about it and fast.
I`m trying to figure out what you think should be done about the poor standard of officiating, Dave. On the one hand, you`re saying the standard of refereeing is poor, but you`re also convinced that the introduction of VAR has made it even worse.
Are you in favour of binning VAR? That would only impact the Premiership. The standard in the Championship and Leagues 1 and 2 will still be abysmal. ☹️
I think both comments cant be right - refereeing standards have dropped and VAR has helped make that worse. Too many officials now have the backing of VAR so when they drop down a tier to ref basically guess decisions. They get so much wrong. And I mean this for both sides btw, not just us. There was a game earlier this season where the ref got most decisions, for both teams, wrong.
Id be fully behind binning VAR and putting the money in to training refs to a better standard. Keep goal line tech as that works and for the higher leagues introduce semi auto offsides. And in terms of red cards etc - ok if they miss it during the game, hand out proper retrospective bans to players post match. A bit like the old way in rugby of “citing” a player.
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Topic Originator: StuPar82
Date: Wed 9 Apr 22:50
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 9 Apr 11:21
SFA official Alan Muir has been told his VAR career is over after the former referee blundered by disallowing a Celtic goal against Hibernian in February that should not have been overturned. (Scottish Sun)
He also denied Rangers a penalty against Celtic in the Premier Sports Cup final so upsetting both sides of the OF obviously isn`t a good career move. He`s being kept on as a referee observer though.
Alan Muir’s never been top of my Christmas list since him and two officials somehow missed Brian Graham’s off the ball clothesline on Jason Talbot in the Scottish Cup game against Ross County whilst we were in league one. They got a penalty from that breakaway from memory and you would have to think Muir must have realised he’d botched something as Talbot lay comatose on the turf, requiring attention, and 3,500 fans venting at him from the stands.
The way to improve the standard of refereeing in Scotland is to surely move away from having part time and employing full-time professionals. How that is funded is another discussion entirely, however…
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Thu 10 Apr 07:22
Quote:
GG Riva, Wed 9 Apr 19:22
Quote:
Dave_1885, Wed 9 Apr 17:57
VAR has categorically made refereeing in Scotland worse than before. Officials cant make a decision in games without it. And when they do they 9/10 get it wrong. The amount of errors on Saturday were mind boggling (and I don’t include the Yeboah penalty claim). Something needs done about it and fast.
I`m trying to figure out what you think should be done about the poor standard of officiating, Dave.
I think one of the first things that should happen is that Refs, at professional level, become Full Time. Working on all aspects of their game and being coached.
I think, there should also be a minimum amount of hours at each level and nobody being fast tracked. In my 16 years in coaching at pro-youth level, regularly see refs that just weren’t ready, being fast tracked. I get why (we’re losing so many refs at all levels, especially grassroots) but it’s not helping.
I think the decision to abolish the retirement age for refs will improve standards. We’ve lost a number of good refs over the years that didn’t want to give it up but were forced to, so I think this will make a difference.
I also think their ban on “staying silent” should be lifted and they should be able to explain their decisions, or apologise for there mistakes will go a long way to helping. Maybe even mic them up like they do in rugby, so people know why the decision was made…like the disallowed goal on Saturday. It may not improve the standard but explaining decisions would reduce frustration, which can escalate at times.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Thu 10 Apr 08:05
One good thing about VAR is that the viewing public can ask legitimate questions about how decisions have been reached.
Fair play to Willie Collum for his monthly show and decisive action here. In any other walk of life, you risk losing your job if you are not very good at it.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 10 Apr 10:52
Dunfermline Athletic manager Neil Lennon has been warned by the SFA following his criticism of referee Euan Anderson in the wake of Saturday`s defeat by Hamilton Academical. (Scottish Sun)
It`s not clear whether this happened before or after his chat with Willie Collum.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 10 Apr 10:55
Quote:
wee eck, Thu 10 Apr 10:52
Dunfermline Athletic manager Neil Lennon has been warned by the SFA following his criticism of referee Euan Anderson in the wake of Saturday`s defeat by Hamilton Academical. (Scottish Sun)
It`s not clear whether this happened before or after his chat with Willie Collum.
Utter nonsense. Lennon was justified in his comments. It`s not like it was a classic Celtic paranoia job. The ref had a complete shocker.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 11 Apr 11:32
NL had a chat, not with Willie Collum but with two of his assistants, and seemed to be happy with that -
“We had a good chat with Tom Murphy and Martin Atkinson. That was fruitful, yes. Quite an honest and open conversation, which was good of them. That’s all we’re asking for.
“You don’t want to be doing it every week, that’s for sure. I think it was important from us and from myself that we made our concerns known and they were very receptive to that.”
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Fri 11 Apr 12:10
I don`t think it`s a bad thing to do from NL, hopefully a bit more scrutiny is being put on our games from an officiating standpoint. Some of the decisions have been really poor and they can massively influence the outcome of these important matches.
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